Give me a good argument why should all servers be PVP

tek1nig · December 2015

I vote PVP Servers - All servers should be PVP at this point.

Its time to elevate our gameplay !!!

razzzza · December 2015

Naw there is no point in pvp at all.
the people who wants to do it anyways, the people who need NW tokens get bashed alot (me) and i dont need that on the worldmap again.
It was fun on HL but i dont want it back.

Only sad thing is RW going by so fast. its barely 5 minutes in and every single base is gone and only pvp is the last resort to gain some tokens.

thats all

sylenthunder · December 2015

RW being forced PvP would decrease the number of factions participating, but it would probably balance it out a bit more as well and last longer.

IMHO, I'm completely for the ability to pay to transfer servers, but they would need to take some statistics on the number of people who would actually want a full PvP server before changing one of the West Coast servers to PvP. I mean, the two PvP servers we had before didn't have enough population to be able to be merged together and still have any kind of balance.

PvE servers are just the thing for todays players in America. I always use this example, but it doesn't ever get old. Look at what bethesda did to Oblivion and Skyrim. They took an excellent system from Morrowind that had penalties for not practicing skill sets and penalties on death, along with penalties for choices made throughout the gameplay. Then gradually dumbed it down to the point where in Skyrim, you can not only become a full master is almost all the paths, but it is literally impossible to lose the game if you do the main questline. The only penalty for death is that you have to go back and keep pushing on. Today's gaming children do not want a challenge, and cannot accept failure as a possibility. It might make them feel bad.

I think it would be kind of funny if Wanmei decided to fully standardize us with their version, gear and all. Sadly though, we would probably lose half of the current population just from all the rage quits.

bloodedone87 · December 2015

Still no one gave me a good argument to why all servers should be PvP and how would this help the game. The only 2 arguments I have read were
RW problem- which can be fixed by becoming a forced pvp event .
China has only PvP servers- China has different nw forges. Should we get those too?

No one answered me why want all players to become white since you can always go white whenever you want too. Why do you care if some ppl( the majority here) are blue name? Go white and fight with the ones that are white like you and let blue names be blue names. Maybe they like the colour blue.
The only 2 things I can think of why you want all to be forced white name are this 2:
1 you are all liars and in reality you do like attacking and killing every white name that goes out of sz even if its from an hostile faction or random player that you havent seen before.
2 you had some ppl on your PvP servers that you had some grudge against. Since the PvE servers were forced upon you those enemies of yours went blue and didnt turned back to white anymore. And now you are all frustrated cause you dont kill those anymore.
But maybe I am wrong so I will still wait for a good argument why should we all become white name if its not the 2 things I mentioned above.
And dont say that it will increase the number of ppl that will pk. It wont. Ppl that will be forced white name either they will hide in sz and do all dungeons or they will abandon the game.

shade13 · December 2015

bloodedone87 wrote: »

Still no one gave me a good argument to why all servers should be PvP

They shouldn't. They don't need to. 1 is enough. Is it more clear ?

Permanent danger motivates and encourages you to improve. Why do you always consider it from the point of view "ppl will attack"? Try "ppl will defend" approach. A bit different, less offensive to those who didn't deserve your accusation that they want to kill lvl30 noobs with their r9r+12 and in many ways closer to reality, just saying.

banibe · December 2015

yeah this is a very bad idea. i dont know about yall, but i'm not going to be paying 2mil on GS's a day just so i can do my bloody quests in peace without worrying about dropping stuff. if pwi do switch all servers to pvp. i think me and a lot others will take our game playing else where. ( not to sound like im caping, but it's BS)

banibe · December 2015

also, seems like another way for pwi to get people to pay alot more, so they can stay alive. you kinky smart ****, you pwi

bloodedone87 · December 2015

shade13 said:

bloodedone87 wrote: »

Still no one gave me a good argument to why all servers should be PvP

They shouldn't. They don't need to. 1 is enough. Is it more clear ?

Permanent danger motivates and encourages you to improve. Why do you always consider it from the point of view "ppl will attack"? Try "ppl will defend" approach. A bit different, less offensive to those who didn't deserve your accusation that they want to kill lvl30 noobs with their r9r+12 and in many ways closer to reality, just saying.

Nope. Permanent danger will motivate me to quit. Why do you want me to quit?
Why you want all to go white name since you are not going to kill them anyway? Let them be blue name and you go white and pk with the white like you.
Ppl will defend wont work for me since I am more a solo player. Yes I do some dungeons with other ppl and I help low lvl that need a bh with my storm when I have time or invite ppl that need bh79 when I hunt nuemas. But most of time I do solo stuff.
Dont you understand that I dont want to be killed not even once. Call me a coward . Call me what you want. I dont want to be killed. Its not cause I am scared of death. Its more cause I am scared I am going to lose items cause I cant afford buy hundred of guardian scrolls everyday.

perrion · December 2015

The PVP servers proved to be failures, evidenced by the low populations forcing them to be folded into the more robust PVE servers.

The PVP whiners should just shut up. If PVP was as great for the game as you say, you'd still have PVP servers to play on. You only have yourselves to blame. It was your playstyle that chased players away. You made your bed, now lie in it.

tiddybonbon · December 2015

shade13 said:

bloodedone87 wrote: »

Still no one gave me a good argument to why all servers should be PvP

Permanent danger motivates and encourages you to improve.

Congrats. With that statement alone, you've theoretically decreased your server's population and reduced the chance of gaining (and encouraging) new players to join your *** of a PvP server. The only people really benefiting from a PvP server nowadays are the ~~veteran~~ whales that have blown their hard-earned time/money buying r9rrrrrrrrr +12 gear just so they can be competive with the rest.

shade13 · December 2015

bloodedone87 wrote: »

Nope. Permanent danger will motivate me to quit. Why do you want me to quit?

I don't want YOU to quit, or better to say I don't care if you play or not, because I didn't encounter you in game. If it's so unacceptable for you, there is always PVE server for you and others like you.

The PVP whiners should just shut up. If PVP was as great for the game as you say, you'd still have PVP servers to play on. You only have yourselves to blame.

Can you tell me what I did in particular?

What do I have to blame myself for?

With that statement alone, you've theoretically decreased your server's population and reduced the chance of gaining (and encouraging) new players to join your *** of a PvP server. The only people really benefiting from a PvP server nowadays are the veteran whales that have blown their hard-earned time/money buying r9rrrrrrrrr +12 gear just so they can be competive with the rest.

Still pvp server was populated. Maybe less than others, but it wasn't dead, so many ppl won't agree with you.

Again: are you read me wrong? I don't say that all servers should be pvp. I'm for a free choice - 1 pvp server for those who wish. I'd go there if there was only 10 ppl there, I believe I'm not the only one sharing this point of view. You play on your over populated pve and us, pitiful pkers, on pvp. All happy and pleased

blazerboy · December 2015

The majority of PVE chickens are the ones who never got off their **** to farm a day of their life or who just feel "Im too good to spend money on a game". Do me a favor grow up!!

PvP servers only had a low community because of the lack of content and updates for ex skills,class balances,repetitiveness so the game quickly got boring. PvE sympathizers feel content with mediocrity killing mobs that offer no challenge once you rank 9. For god sake I can solo any instance in the game with bloodpaint minus the once that specifically as for numbers like fsp. But really thats fun? @sylenthunder pegged it right todays generation are spoiled as heck and cant process losing.

You speak of a powercreep oh yeah? Do you have any idea how many endgame full PvE players there are? I mean full +12 full jsod/diety I have seen ALOT and all I have to say to that is YOU are the reason this game is not fun spend a ton of time/money to endgame just so people can watch you stand afk oh yea you are contributing to a fun community

RW was the most challenging fun event we even had... But no offense to PvE originated characters you wouldnt know that ever seen more then 4 factions of 80+ people duke it out at the same time for one caravan ABSOLUTELY GLORIOUS. It actually took skill strategy and serious prioritizing for a faction to successfully do RW unlike todays TW or NW

Idk about other servers and NO IM NOT TRYING TO PICK ON THEM but take DawnsGlory Mayhem for example I have quite a few of Friends list and they would be offline the majority of the time minus dailies. As soon as mayhem calls pvp my friendlist shows a stream of people just logged on and as soon its over win or lose they log off... Still think PvE keeps people playing? Go home kids let the big kids play the game..

bloodedone87 · December 2015

shade13 said:

bloodedone87 wrote: »

Nope. Permanent danger will motivate me to quit. Why do you want me to quit?

I don't want YOU to quit, or better to say I don't care if you play or not, because I didn't encounter you in game. If it's so unacceptable for you, there is always PVE server for you and others like you.

The PVP whiners should just shut up. If PVP was as great for the game as you say, you'd still have PVP servers to play on. You only have yourselves to blame.

Can you tell me what I did in particular?

What do I have to blame myself for?

With that statement alone, you've theoretically decreased your server's population and reduced the chance of gaining (and encouraging) new players to join your *** of a PvP server. The only people really benefiting from a PvP server nowadays are the veteran whales that have blown their hard-earned time/money buying r9rrrrrrrrr +12 gear just so they can be competive with the rest.

Still pvp server was populated. Maybe less than others, but it wasn't dead, so many ppl won't agree with you.

Again: are you read me wrong? I don't say that all servers should be pvp. I'm for a free choice - 1 pvp server for those who wish. I'd go there if there was only 10 ppl there, I believe I'm not the only one sharing this point of view. You play on your over populated pve and us, pitiful pkers, on pvp. All happy and pleased

If you don't want all servers to be PvP why are you answering my question that is directed exclusively to the people that want all servers to be PvP?

blazerboy · December 2015

Im fine with a low population PVP server along theres actual purpose PvE is stupid tedious and repetitive. Whats wrong with duking it out and prove you're the best Im glad you feel pro killing A.I and when they are too hard for pwi simply nerfs them so you stop whining. Like Seat of Torment...

shade13 · December 2015

bloodedone87 wrote: »

If you don't want all servers to be PvP why are you answering my question that is directed exclusively to the people that want all servers to be PvP?

Because you took it from nowhere. All just originally wanted 1 server for a change. Who cares what' happens on other servers after all? Even if they were full pve and there was no option to go whitename. If you make this choice, it's fine to respect it. But I don't see why it's so hard to respect another choice and why it was so necessary to take all pvp servers away without reason while there are ppl who want to play there.

bloodedone87 · December 2015

blazerboy said:
The majority of PVE chickens are the ones who never got off their **** to farm a day of their life or who just feel "Im too good to spend money on a game". Do me a favor grow up!!

PvP servers only had a low community because of the lack of content and updates for ex skills,class balances,repetitiveness so the game quickly got boring. PvE sympathizers feel content with mediocrity killing mobs that offer no challenge once you rank 9. For god sake I can solo any instance in the game with bloodpaint minus the once that specifically as for numbers like fsp. But really thats fun? @sylenthunder pegged it right todays generation are spoiled as heck and cant process losing.

You speak of a powercreep oh yeah? Do you have any idea how many endgame full PvE players there are? I mean full +12 full jsod/diety I have seen ALOT and all I have to say to that is YOU are the reason this game is not fun spend a ton of time/money to endgame just so people can watch you stand afk oh yea you are contributing to a fun community

RW was the most challenging fun event we even had... But no offense to PvE originated characters you wouldnt know that ever seen more then 4 factions of 80+ people duke it out at the same time for one caravan ABSOLUTELY GLORIOUS. It actually took skill strategy and serious prioritizing for a faction to successfully do RW unlike todays TW or NW

Idk about other servers and NO IM NOT TRYING TO PICK ON THEM but take DawnsGlory Mayhem for example I have quite a few of Friends list and they would be offline the majority of the time minus dailies. As soon as mayhem calls pvp my friendlist shows a stream of people just logged on and as soon its over win or lose they log off... Still think PvE keeps people playing? Go home kids let the big kids play the game..

Why do you care if other people like killing mobs? Stop telling others what to like or not.
Why do you care if players with full r9r3+12 stay afk in sz? Do you think if you gonna turn them white name wont stay afk in sz anymore?

bloodedone87 · December 2015

shade13 said:

bloodedone87 wrote: »

If you don't want all servers to be PvP why are you answering my question that is directed exclusively to the people that want all servers to be PvP?

Because you took it from nowhere. All just originally wanted 1 server for a change. Who cares what' happens on other servers after all? Even if they were full pve and there was no option to go whitename. If you make this choice, it's fine to respect it. But I don't see why it's so hard to respect another choice and why it was so necessary to take all pvp servers away without reason while there are ppl who want to play there.

Nope I didnt took it from nowhere. Not all just originally wanted 1 server for change. tek1nig wants all servers to be pvp. limonazza also wants all servers to be pvp etc.
Answer me this please. When you all from PvP servers were forced to be on a PvE servers how many that were originally on your PvP servers that become blue name change it to white name? If you can find the answer to this question you will know why the devs didnt make any PvP server.

sylenthunder · December 2015

shade13 wrote: »

bloodedone87 wrote: »

If you don't want all servers to be PvP why are you answering my question that is directed exclusively to the people that want all servers to be PvP?

Because you took it from nowhere. All just originally wanted 1 server for a change. Who cares what' happens on other servers after all? Even if they were full pve and there was no option to go whitename. If you make this choice, it's fine to respect it. But I don't see why it's so hard to respect another choice and why it was so necessary to take all pvp servers away without reason while there are ppl who want to play there.

There's the rub though....

They didn't take the PvP servers away "without reason". I'm certain that quite a bit of thought went into it, and it was determined that a PvP server would not make enough money, or have enough population to support it long-term.

The other part that a lot of people tend to forget....
If you want to play PvP, just "flip the switch". You will be out there in the world with everyone else who wants to play exactly like you do. "PvE" just means that the majority of players, (and yes, have no doubt that they are the majority), who do not enjoy that play style, don't have to deal with it.
They don't have to deal with constantly watching over their shoulders.
They don't have to deal with getting ganked out of the blue by someone that hideously out-levels and out-gears them.
They don't have to be the subject of some ****heads e-peen goals.

Now, as for "why should all server be PvP?", localization. We would probably have a lot fewer issues if our version was closer to that of the original.

Oh, and yes, if you haven't figured it out. I play both sides of this argument. I enjoy all servers being PvE, and completely understand the reasoning for that. I also enjoy PvP quite a bit, (sadly, cannot currently afford to be competitive in open-map PvP), and fully support the reasoning behind it as well.
At this point in the game, PvE or PvP status of a server is moot outside of events like TRW.

blazerboy · December 2015

@bloodedone87 nope dont really care what toons other people have since mine is pretty endgame its amazing how well you can actually process all I just said and only get that from it... Point Im making PVE has no place in a game specifically designed for classes to compete with eachother.. yea skills like mana drain, chi drain, transposition, work on PVE alright. PVE servers are the biggest waste of time because what exactly is there to do Monday-Friday now? Dailies afk/log off yep PvE keeps the game fun and appealing

Way I see it 2 reason people dont pvp its because 1 they are so sheltered if they get their **** handed to them they lose all hope and #2 after YEARS of playing they aren't competent in their class effecticely engage something more sophisticated then PwI VERY simple A.I.

Can you even make a arguement whats there to do beyond dailies during the weekdays thats encouraging enough to log on?

shade13 · December 2015

bloodedone87 wrote: »

Nope I didnt took it from nowhere. Not all just originally wanted 1 server for change. tek1nig wants all servers to be pvp.

Well, it doesn't matter what some randoms want, of course it's impossible to do what everyone wants. Agroing at suggestions like this is kinda pointless because no one is turning all servers into pvp anyway. I wanted to point out what is possible and real and obvious to do.

By the way, making one server PvP would benefit your PvE servers because less ppl on that only one would allow more players to ditribute PvErs between your servers

So, such decision is in your interest too.

bloodedone87 · December 2015

blazerboy said:
@bloodedone87 nope dont really care what toons other people have since mine is pretty endgame its amazing how well you can actually process all I just said and only get that from it... Point Im making PVE has no place in a game specifically designed for classes to compete with eachother.. yea skills like mana drain, chi drain, transposition, work on PVE alright. PVE servers are the biggest waste of time because what exactly is there to do Monday-Friday now? Dailies afk/log off yep PvE keeps the game fun and appealing

Way I see it 2 reason people dont pvp its because 1 they are so sheltered if they get their **** handed to them they lose all hope and #2 after YEARS of playing they aren't competent in their class effecticely engage something more sophisticated then PwI VERY simple A.I.

Can you even make a arguement whats there to do beyond dailies during the weekdays thats encouraging enough to log on?

The fact that doing dailies doesnt encourage you to log on doesnt mean others arent encourage by that.
When all the classes will be balanced I will believe the statement that this game is specifically designed for classes to compete with eachother.
But let me say it in a phrase what are you trying to say in your comment:
''Stop liking what I don't like!''

shade13 · December 2015

Should rename the topic into "Give me a good argument why should all servers be PVE"

bloodedone87 · December 2015

shade13 said:
Should rename the topic into "Give me a good argument why should all servers be PVE"

Nope. Cause on the PvE servers people can chose whenever they want to go white name while on PvP servers people are forced to be white name. Thats the difference.
I am not against 1 PvP server but the probability for that to happen is small. There are not enough players for that. I wonder if anyone can give us an aproximative number of how many white ppl are now in the game for all 4 servers. But still even if it would be enough white names out there to make a PvP server the question is : how many of those white names will go on the PvP server.

sylenthunder · December 2015

bloodedone87 wrote: »

.. how many of those white names will go on the PvP server.

It all depends on how many blue friends they have.

blazerboy · December 2015

@shade13 I think whats this turned into is @bloodedone87 trying to explain why he believes this game was probably meant as PvE just by his non balance classes arguement... First of all when I made my comment classes were designed to kill eachother It was actually correct in group pvp scenario which you would know if you got your head out your 4th point of contact dont believe me well pay attention.

Sins -Really? These classes are what 6 yrs old and people still havent figured out if tidals down a simple focusing with mag dds and they usually drop..

Seeker- This class completely gets wrecked if you have a good veno who knows what shes doing I.E Demon Iron wood, Nova + purge + gank instant dead hell all the other debuffs they can add. Dont get me started what a full str bm or a CC barb can do to wreck us

Duskblade- Everyones favorite QQ all you need is a good bm or barb CC then the rest focus fire makes these very easy to control if you have a competent pvp group melee LA no tidal lol

Psy - probably the only one you can make a fitting arguement about since SoS at endgame is broken as hell still nothing a purge and focus fire cant fix

Storms - Good CC personnel and knowing not to target these when they are in reaper form makes them pretty easy to deal with

The point Im making that you clearly don't get is these classes have overwhelming advantages in 1v1 which yeah thats how this game was intended to be played right lol? Also dont even pull that "other people are encouraged to log dailies just cuz you arent doesnt mean they are" first of all just about everyone complains about tedious dailies get outta here with that nonsense lol

perrion · December 2015

Nothing is stopping you PVPers from staying white named at all times. You all can get together and make a club and duke it out to your hearts content. But that's not why you really want is it? No, you want a sea of nubby, undergeared, unprepared, patsies populating the world so that you can feel good about your miserable selves when you gank them by surprise.

If you want more PVP, ask PWI to take away the negative aspects of it. Get rid of gear drops and lower the cooldown for going back to blue name and I'm sure you'll have more people willing to take the occasional plunge into PVP.

sylenthunder · December 2015

perrion wrote: »

...
If you want more PVP, ask PWI to take away the negative aspects of it. Get rid of gear drops and lower the cooldown for going back to blue name and I'm sure you'll have more people willing to take the occasional plunge into PVP.

This is already implemented.

Carry dolls to prevent drops, and kill mobs to reduce the cooldown.
Read my earlier rant about Bethesda and the Elder Scrolls. PvP doesn't need to be dumbed down to stupid. It needs harsher penalties and limitations to prevent ganking people that aren't in your battle class.

bloodedone87 · December 2015

blazerboy said:
@shade13 I think whats this turned into is @bloodedone87 trying to explain why he believes this game was probably meant as PvE just by his non balance classes arguement... First of all when I made my comment classes were designed to kill eachother It was actually correct in group pvp scenario which you would know if you got your head out your 4th point of contact dont believe me well pay attention.

Sins -Really? These classes are what 6 yrs old and people still havent figured out if tidals down a simple focusing with mag dds and they usually drop..

Seeker- This class completely gets wrecked if you have a good veno who knows what shes doing I.E Demon Iron wood, Nova + purge + gank instant dead hell all the other debuffs they can add. Dont get me started what a full str bm or a CC barb can do to wreck us

Duskblade- Everyones favorite QQ all you need is a good bm or barb CC then the rest focus fire makes these very easy to control if you have a competent pvp group melee LA no tidal lol

Psy - probably the only one you can make a fitting arguement about since SoS at endgame is broken as hell still nothing a purge and focus fire cant fix

Storms - Good CC personnel and knowing not to target these when they are in reaper form makes them pretty easy to deal with

The point Im making that you clearly don't get is these classes have overwhelming advantages in 1v1 which yeah thats how this game was intended to be played right lol? Also dont even pull that "other people are encouraged to log dailies just cuz you arent doesnt mean they are" first of all just about everyone complains about tedious dailies get outta here with that nonsense lol

I didnt say that every PvE players likes loging for dailies. Maybe some people likes to log in for different reason. Why do you care how others like to play the game as long as it doesnt affect you? And as long as you dont run some dungeons with them the fact that someone stay afk for exemple even if he has OP gear or not it makes you no problem. Saying an R9r3+12 shouldnt stay afk in sz is like saying someone rich that collects cars shouldnt collect cars if he drives them only once in a life time.
Also you get outta here with: '' Everybody should like to pk because I like to pk''

90% of today game content is PVE. The only PvP content of the game that people are doing are TW and NW. And sometimes RW. In order to get a gear to be competitive in PvP if you dont want to get 1 shot you have 2 options: pay real money or farm months or even years. And farming is done in PvE. Beside NW ofc where R9R3 are in advantages. Every new system that is put in the game and helps boost your character needs things that are farmed in PvE in order to be improved.

perrion · December 2015

sylenthunder said:

This is already implemented.

Carry dolls to prevent drops, and kill mobs to reduce the cooldown.

Read my earlier rant about Bethesda and the Elder Scrolls. PvP doesn't need to be dumbed down to stupid. It needs harsher penalties and limitations to prevent ganking people that aren't in your battle class.

And how many stories have you heard where someone ran out of scrolls w/o realizing it and ended up dropping and losing some ungodly expensive piece of gear? I know of plenty, enough to keep me from ever casually flipping the switch. Gear drops are BS. Nearly everyone who PKs carries scrolls, so why bother keeping the drop system anyway? To harshly penalize the poor unlucky sap who inadvertently gets killed w/o one? Requiring scrolls also prevents someone from going into PK if they aren't already prepared.

Your "solution" of killing mobs to reduce time is also BS. I'm already pressed for time in just what I can get to in a day. Pointlessly grinding away at mobs to knock a few hours off is a terrible use of my time, all the while being vulnerable to being killed and losing gear. If it was 4 hours rather than 10, it would still preclude anyone from flip flopping back and forth while allowing the time to run out at the end of a decent play session.

booker27 · December 2015

People that want PvP server are hiding the real reasons they want it/them because they dont want to look bad. You can tell by the weak arguments they bring. They just want t fight players that cant or dont want to fight back and to be able to attack/ gank players they hate for whatever reason.

- PvP server encourages you to improve > and yet plenty of people on PvE servers improve their gear and skill, many of them are equal to or even better than people who spent years on pvp server and supposedly have more experience due do all day pvp

- China servers are pvp, china designed game like this etc. > doesnt mean this version needs to be exactly the same and even if they want to bring it closer to china its too late now, whether it was wanmei or pwe, our version was lead to a different direction

- People quit because no pvp > people quit cause of the many mess ups pwe did, cause of horrible customer support, cause of the powercreep and gear gap (other pw versions r8 is the standard and achieved by evryone) and the list goes on

- I dont kill random people, undergeared people, etc. etc. unless its kos > they why does it matter if those are white name or not?

- Let us pvp people have our pvp server > i am all for that really you can have it and have fun but do you honestly think it be active and fun? people will gather in one powerful faction except the few that will eventually give up because they cant win and get bullied to quitting
People left in this game dont care about fun they just want to WIN. Not trying to trash talk here but what did chinatown do once they began losing? they gave up and most members went blue name. But but pvp server forces them to be white... well they would just sit in sz, no difference.

- broken events > thats the only somewhat reasonable argument but even then its really not that bad most of them have solutions one way or another, only one that sucks is resource wars but thats one event out of many. there was huge pk on TT during rw until people went blue name so i know what im talking about but i dont care too much that its gone, can pvp in other places you know

- pve has no place in this game > then why most gear comes from farming in pve, why do we even have ANY pve content if pve wasnt meant to exist here, why do devs keep giving us pve content... most recent one the heavenfall temple

- why people get r9 for pve, why they like to kill mobs etc. > and why exactly do you care about what other people do?

- real gamers pvp rest are cowards bla bla > real gamers play games and have fun but hey each person can have their own definition of what a "real gamer" is. why do you care what other people do and whether they are real gamers or not?

did i miss anything?

Like i said, if people want pvp they will make pvp. Pvp server alone wont increase pvp cause people can just sit in afk in sz. No need to do dailies anyway you can just CS them now lol. Some people posting on this thread crying for pvp server havent even shown up for pvp for ages even when there was pk and those people were active and on every day js.

Give me a good argument why should all servers be PVP

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