Territory Wars... How was it last week?

I had no problems with lag but fps is loooow in tw. 0 effects minimum distances and quality, only view yourself. Its the only way to play.

Half effects, half distances and simple models gets me 1-2 fps.

80v80 2pm tt server tw



The rest of the week i had no lag. One server error once, but a relog solved it. Full effects and quality. The game was beautiful and smooth. Mass pk after territory wars on Thursday evening, again fps was low but was able to struggle through with half settings and 15ish fps.

Ping hovers around 96-250 for me on average.

Twilight Temple here. o/

My Ping is always okay. But ever since this merge, i stopped going to Territory War completely due to the extremely low Fps. Even changing the settings to the lowest possible and still no use.

sylenthunder said:

Personally, I think a lot of people mistake low FPS for high latency.



IMHO, you should have to post system specs and a traceroute as well.



Only drops I ever have in TW are FPS. Ping is usually around 170 in-game.​​

this is true. technically lag means high latency, but for the layman "game is getting slow" means generally lag, no matter what the actual source of it is.

but to the topic, YES the TW was super laggy as always ( by lag i mean fps, ping was not significantly worse - since i live in the eu it is always bad anyways).nothing has changed, the longer the tw goes on, the lower the fps. and the second there are 160 people in the base.. good night framespersecon, most people (me included) are lucky to have 2 fps.
now i still have a quite modern pc. i7cpu r9 280x gpu with 3gb and 32gb ram. sufficent to run the latest modern games with 60fps+, even twice or thrice at same time (if start them several times by mistake ). that doesnt only apply to single player games, even modern multiplayer games, and other mmo games. like mmoshooters that have hundreds of players at the same time playing, in tanks, aircrafts other vehicles with much much bigger maps and many more effects and much much better looking graphics than pwi.

the issue is not with the users. it is either a horribly outdated game engine (honestly, i cannot remember if there was a time when the fps didnt drop to unplayable levels during tw's.) that completely ignores the hardware (several cpu cores or latest gfx) of the player, or the server cannot handle 160 people in tw because they are hopelessly underdesigned.

Twilight Temple server here. I normally have my graphics set on the higher end, and restart my computer prior to TW. Personally I don't have many issues with FPS or ping (and if I do, it's my modem acting up) during TWs, and didn't experience any last week. However, a few weeks ago, a good chunk of my faction did experience a lot of issues with lag (not sure whether this was actual ping but very certain it was FPS). I know a lot of them do have their graphics set on the lower end with simple models and such.

Most of the time, I'm pretty sure it's because of the amount of people in one area, especially when there are a lot of skills being used. The one week when most of my faction complained about lag, both my faction and our opponent had pretty much everyone on the same path. It also does tend to get pretty laggy whenever the fight is happening inside one of the bases, since it's a smaller area and full of people setting up AoEs. I know that my FPS does suffer a little bit when there's a lot of people around.

EDIT: I completely forgot about this until I looked over some notes from last TW, but many people including myself experienced problems with map lag. Basically it was very hard to see where my squad members were positioned on the map. At one point I think it even showed some of my squad members farther up the path than they actually were, which was odd. Normally there is a little bit of map lag but last weekend (especially at our 2PM TW) it was worse than it usually is.

last time i did TW I had very Bad FPS but not much lag.

I still get a lot in FSP. Guess its because that instance is used a lot.​​

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TT here aswell

I very briefly had Connection Lag during the 8pm TW (tho that cudve also just been on my end)

I had no Graphic Lag whatshowever tho, that said the TWs were a lot smaller scale than usual (no 80v80 business)

Think I'm running on the higher end of PCs here. Game is pretty much atrocious in an 80v80 scenario. Framerate is unbelievably low (sub 10 FPS with lowered graphics for TW). I know there is a lot of discussion as to why this happens with PWI. Thought I'd contribute ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

i distinctly remember this issue in TW reaching the current heights it has when the earthgaurd were released. earthgaurd and nightshade skill effects are mighty flashy and all of them seem to cause an interminable amount of graphical choppiness.

thenamesdomino said:

@thread Under what conditions and when do you notice the FPS drop the most?

Big animations from new classes, mainly Stormbringers, seems this engine cant really handle the animation of the new classes

I second (third?) the above. If you get multiple flashy aoe effects in one area (seeker vortex, sb vortex, even dragonbreath and barrage, etc) things slow down really fast.

The worst is that having effects low doesn't help, it (low fps) really does seem to persist at low effects and quality settings right until you a) change tool option to view only important players or b) remove effects entirely. Which means youre either gonna be blind to enemy players, or youre going to be blind to their skill animations. Either way its a pretty big handicap. The only reassurance is that your enemy is probably blundering around half blind too

One thing i wonder about is - time and again with tw instances i experience the fps issue. But in openworld pvp, in primal or on the main map i never have to nix my effects or anything completely. Fps drops but not so severely. And after rw there are all tier 1 and 2 and sometimes tier 3 factions all pvping in one area... Its gotta be more than the 160 player mark.

You can really see the FPS drop over time issue when you load the client from a SSD or even a full RAM Disk.

Running off a RAM Disk, I get an initial FPS over 100. After about half an hour it's down into the 40-60 range. And that's just moving around Archosaur. Enter TW with that, and it's in the 30's in no time, and this is with a setup that is optimized specifically for how PWE behaves. Without that specific setup, your FPS will be in the teens in no time.
Afterwards, if you don't have a system with a good backbone, then your latency will start to tank as well as the CPU/RAM/Swap starts getting overused and it puts a delay in the cycles that are managing your network connection on the PC. This is especially noticeable on older systems that barely meet specs for the client, or people who insist that they don't need to exclude the client from their AV software and firewall.​​

thenamesdomino said:

So we've been getting lots of complaints about the Territory Wars lag that everyone has been experiencing. We're in the process of modifying some things on the back end to try and optimize things.

How was the lag this past week?

What servers were you playing on?

When did you experience the most lag?

Was it intermittent or was it consistent throughout?

Reply to this thread with as much detail as you can provide. Every little bit helps.

1.Not just week think the lag started when the merged happened.

2.Dawnglory

3.Everywhere else is pretty much fine i'd start but saying west but with the 10 million cat shops i won't get to that but the tw instance it self is the lag fest i have to put every single thing to zero to the point idk what skills are casted and if i have buffs or not. The moment of going inside the base of the other faction is insta bug error report lol.

4.Pretty much constant through out whole tw, before merge when i logged Morai i had 80 ms 60 fps and after merge its like 400ms 1-2 fps in tw, 19-35fps rest places.

I think the issue is that these new classes have very complex animations relative to old ones. Like stormbringers always have these 3 balls that orbit around them with particle effects and their attacks spawn mobs that also spawn more particles. When you get like 10 of these classes on each side in tw all casting their stuff in one place the CPU grinds to a halt. Single-threading doesn't work that well in 2015.

There is also some sort of memory leak. Performance degrades the longer a TW goes on and it can get so bad that it's worth it to relog. ​​

heero200 wrote: »

asterelle wrote: »

I think the issue is that these new classes have very complex animations relative to old ones. Like stormbringers always have these 3 balls that orbit around them with particle effects and their attacks spawn mobs that also spawn more particles. When you get like 10 of these classes on each side in tw all casting their stuff in one place the CPU grinds to a halt. Single-threading doesn't work that well in 2015.

There is also some sort of memory leak. Performance degrades the longer a TW goes on and it can get so bad that it's worth it to relog.

Their has been a memory leak since I can remember. Nothing changes.

They've fixed it a couple of times, but then break it again.​​