Why i prefer to be mystic rather than other classes.

Toryni - Raging Tide

DionDagger - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Citation needed.

I cannot cite this but I can corroborate it with more subjective information b:chuckle. There is an abundance of 100+/rb sins on RT. We have much fewer mystics, wiz, and veno. In fact, the only wiz I see are r9r3 ones, don't see many T3 or lower unless they are bh alts. Basing this on my 3+ years of being on that server and making squads for various things. b:laugh

Note: even though my avatar is a wiz, my first character, my main is a mystic. Can't change avatars

myxnamexisxkira

BM: Have one but I like the idea of using one certain type of weapon and not relying on several different ones for skills. Didnt get very far.
Wiz: Made one and it became a matt bank
Cleric: Fun to play for a while but in the end everyone just wants you to bubble and thats it. If you dont do it"perfectly" squad yells at you.
Archer: Enjoyable, to say the least
Barb: Made one in 2010 but I dont remember much about it now. deleted it ages ago
Veno: again made one in 2010 but deleted it, made a new one recently and didnt like it right off the bat.
Psy: I came with the tideborns in 2010 a psy was/is my main. It's squishy but a cannon to say the least. Primal skills feel really horrible for the combining. Over all I enjoyed playing it all these years.
Sin: >.> Stealth killing is kinda fun plus bp is nice. I like playing the sin as well but it's over populated and there are too many bad sins.
Mystic: Made one but never played it
Seeker: My adorable ranged tanker<3 Love playing it just something fun about it. Maybe it's just the fact that I'm not squishy anymore when i switch between psy and seeker.
new classes: I really have no desire to play them.

Aziza_Atori - Archosaur

There is no class like mystics for me and my friends on pwi know I'm very dedicated to it. I have a wiz alt in attempt to try something new but things go soo slow on her...And I feel naked without my res, plants and pet summons. In fact I love mystic so much that I'm working on a guide which is going to be posted on this forum. Just finished the content but I need to spell/grammar check it and make the layout more readable.also need some of my friends to review it. b:cute and to top it all I'm excited and nervous ...what if no one reads it...what if everyone hates it....b:shocked.things are not as bad for mystics as when I started playing but it is still an underestimated class and many who plays mystics struggles with it in different ways.

Toryni - Raging Tide

Aziza_Atori - Archosaur wrote: »

There is no class like mystics for me and my friends on pwi know I'm very dedicated to it. I have a wiz alt in attempt to try something new but things go soo slow on her...And I feel naked without my res, plants and pet summons. In fact I love mystic so much that I'm working on a guide which is going to be posted on this forum. Just finished the content but I need to spell/grammar check it and make the layout more readable.also need some of my friends to review it. b:cute and to top it all I'm excited and nervous ...what if no one reads it...what if everyone hates it....b:shocked.things are not as bad for mystics as when I started playing but it is still an underestimated class and many who plays mystics struggles with it in different ways.

Can't wait to see your guide Aziza!!! b:dirty Mystic's rule, others drool! b:cute

Aziza_Atori - Archosaur

Thank you so much for the support Toryni. I'm so excited. I really put my heart into this project so I hope people will read and like it once I release it..this week if I'm satisfied with the final outcome b:cute

CapnK - Sanctuary

Another perk of demon I forgot to mention: the increased freeze rate on Gale Force is very nice. Sage gets the extra slow, but enemies can still Holy Path when slowed - they can't when frozen. Also helps keep mobs from running away when sealed in pve so you don't annoy squadmates as much.

Aziza_Atori - Archosaur

In my early lvl 100 days people complained when I did Gale(sage) now I never I hear complains about that anymore. I guess it's because I'm able t hit harder and take the dmg when mobs run back at me. In earlier days I might die if someone else didn't take the agro. And about demon...There are some of their bonuses I'd love to have but I just got dragged more toward sage and I haven't regretted it.

DionDagger - Dreamweaver

Toryni - Raging Tide wrote: »

I cannot cite this but I can corroborate it with more subjective information b:chuckle. There is an abundance of 100+/rb sins on RT. We have much fewer mystics, wiz, and veno. In fact, the only wiz I see are r9r3 ones, don't see many T3 or lower unless they are bh alts. Basing this on my 3+ years of being on that server and making squads for various things. b:laugh

Note: even though my avatar is a wiz, my first character, my main is a mystic. Can't change avatars

I don't care about your 'subjective information', which isn't information at all, just feels. Citation or gtfo.


@Aziza: Looking forward to your guide.

bloodedone87

DionDagger - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I don't care about your 'subjective information', which isn't information at all, just feels. Citation or gtfo.


@Aziza: Looking forward to your guide.

You dont need citation.
Make a toon on RT server and in a weak you will find the amount of sins on RT is huge.
It doesnt matter how good you are in pve sometimes you wont find a place in squad cause there is already a sin there in same cases the sin being the one that started the squadb:chuckle
And in 90% of mesages that recruits ppl for squads in wc you will find this at the end:
NO MORE SINS.

Zoldi - Morai

bloodedone87 wrote: »

And in 90% of mesages that recruits ppl for squads in wc you will find this at the end:
NO MORE SINS.

Quite the same on Morai actually. Maybe not 90% but you can see messages like that every day, and I have never seen any message like that for any other class.
That being said, I have never understood that kind of messages for PVE stuff...

Mayfly - Dreamweaver

Certain instances (Flowsilver, Abaddon weekly, Advanced Expanded Universe off the top of my head) have physically immune mobs or bosses that have to be killed. Take too many sins and that doesn't leave enough spots for casters to kill the physical immunes.

Zoldi - Morai

Mayfly - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Certain instances (Flowsilver, Abaddon weekly, Advanced Expanded Universe off the top of my head) have physically immune mobs or bosses that have to be killed. Take too many sins and that doesn't leave enough spots for casters to kill the physical immunes.

Right in a way.. but in this case you might not take BM/barb anymore as well.

Toryni - Raging Tide

DionDagger - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I don't care about your 'subjective information', which isn't information at all, just feels. Citation or gtfo.


@Aziza: Looking forward to your guide.

I don't have to cite anything. I have simply drawn from my own personal experience of making squads and what I see on that server. In fact, the topic of this forum is based in subjectivity: "Why I 'prefer' to be mystic rather than other classes". It's not "why mystics are better with proof". People are to respond with why they prefer mystics. Some people make lists about their feelings upon playing other classes, others cite procs of certain skill they like.

Besides the subjective nature of this thread in general, it's unlikely that someone would take the time to screenshot squads in world chat saying: "No more sins" to placate your puerility. Go make a toon on RT and see for yourself, like bloodedone87 suggested and stop trolling the mystic forums and deflecting conversation from mystics onto sins.

b:victory Let's get back to why we think mystics rock!

Aziza_Atori - Archosaur

The luxury of being wellgeared as mystic is that you can really evolve and use your talents and you often don't have to care what classes are in your squad..for example..if I want to do fw I Tele and take whatever I get as long as all pavs are covered. I don't have to care if they can heal tank or dd well..I don't have to care about if they have buffs for me since I got Abba pots for that..just some reasons it Rocks to be myst oh And it's so fun when someone thinks mystics can't tank or pull and then see their eyes pop out when they realize how quick And painless a run they dropped into (hating mobless btw..not fun)

Aziza_Atori - Archosaur

not sure if it is well seen to post two times in a row but I will anyways. Thanks again Toryni for supporting the upcomming guide..good to know at least one will read it. I hope to do the final corrections tomorrow night. I'm just so worried if people will dislike it. It's rather personal as it's mystics seen with a mystics eyes and experience(mine)...it has elements from other guides but also stuff on my own and it's a bit like publishing part of my life as mystic.

Toryni - Raging Tide

Aziza_Atori - Archosaur wrote: »

The luxury of being wellgeared as mystic is that you can really evolve and use your talents and you often don't have to care what classes are in your squad..for example..if I want to do fw I Tele and take whatever I get as long as all pavs are covered. I don't have to care if they can heal tank or dd well..I don't have to care about if they have buffs for me since I got Abba pots for that..just some reasons it Rocks to be myst oh And it's so fun when someone thinks mystics can't tank or pull and then see their eyes pop out when they realize how quick And painless a run they dropped into (hating mobless btw..not fun)

I agree partially. b:victory Mystics lend themselves well to a multitasking playing style which is certainly enhanced by better gear. It's also efficient for mystics to tank and pull because you don't need hp pots often with break in the clouds and falling petals. However, I do think that most pve instances have become underpowered; t3 is easier to access and the addition of primal passives makes people tankier. Squad roles have therefore become more flexible in general.

Also, your example about people being surprised to see mystics do things they didn't think mystics would normally do is probably related to the apparent lack of good mystics. However, even though we rock at multitasking sometimes if you do it too well, people feel they aren't needed. If there is a barb in squad sometimes they get butthurt if you tank and some clerics really get annoyed. I have met several clerics that told me that they didn't like mystics because they try to outheal them. So, it's a good idea to be aware of how the barb and cleric are performing. If the cleric is on the ball, I try not to make it look like I"m taking over their job. Sometimes, clerics prefer to DD in UVD and if so, then I heal and DD and they purely DD. It's all about communicating. But still, it's the flexibility that mystics have that permits this in the first place. b:victory

Another thing that makes mystics rock: if you want high output DD but don't want to get aggro because the barb wants/needs to tank like at toad in FS, for example, absorb soul doesn't add aggro and I guess you could pull out "Crapplord" as well hehe. b:cute

Toryni - Raging Tide

Aziza_Atori - Archosaur wrote: »

not sure if it is well seen to post two times in a row but I will anyways. Thanks again Toryni for supporting the upcomming guide..good to know at least one will read it. I hope to do the final corrections tomorrow night. I'm just so worried if people will dislike it. It's rather personal as it's mystics seen with a mystics eyes and experience(mine)...it has elements from other guides but also stuff on my own and it's a bit like publishing part of my life as mystic.

Awww!! It will be wonderful! I know it. I'm just excited that people are playing mystics and using the mystic forums! It's nice to support each other. b:victory

Aziza_Atori - Archosaur

Indeed and I'm excited ... Mabye some people might find use for it..oh and by the way -drags Toryni to Archosaur- b:cute would be fun if you played on archo ..it always make me happy seeing people dedicated to mystics

DionDagger - Dreamweaver

Toryni - Raging Tide wrote: »

I don't have to cite anything. I have simply drawn from my own personal experience of making squads and what I see on that server. In fact, the topic of this forum is based in subjectivity: "Why I 'prefer' to be mystic rather than other classes". It's not "why mystics are better with proof". People are to respond with why they prefer mystics. Some people make lists about their feelings upon playing other classes, others cite procs of certain skill they like.

Besides the subjective nature of this thread in general, it's unlikely that someone would take the time to screenshot squads in world chat saying: "No more sins" to placate your puerility. Go make a toon on RT and see for yourself, like bloodedone87 suggested and stop trolling the mystic forums and deflecting conversation from mystics onto sins.

b:victory Let's get back to why we think mystics rock!

Saying something is 90% of something is not a subjective statement, that is an objective statement. Do you need a dictionary?

Like i said, citation or gtfo. If you go around making bogus claims im going to call you on it. And if your can't provide evidence it's proof that you are full of bull. It's not a deflection it's a response. Just because you say things without thinking about the consequences doesn't mean i have to give you a pass. And calling me a troll doesn't make me a troll, it just means you don't want to defend your statement. Too bad.

A lot=/=90% to all the laymens that don't understand.

Aziza_Atori - Archosaur

IF there is a cleric in my squad i except the person to heal so I can focus more on something else but I never let my guard completely down. For example in aeu..suddenly squads hp kept dropping and I got like..what's wrong here...??? And what do I see..the cleric has pulled out violet dance and what does she say....you are pro, you can heal..I wonder what she had done if I had been one of those mystics who don't heal people to save their lives (yes that kind exsists) I don't hate to heal..I just have a thing with clerics..a lazy cleric ticks me off. on the other hand I happily tank for the barb unless they want to do it as tanks and pulls are my favourite rolles and another way of keeping squads alive as alternative to be glued to peoples hp bars.

bloodedone87

DionDagger - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Saying something is 90% of something is not a subjective statement, that is an objective statement. Do you need a dictionary?

Like i said, citation or gtfo. If you go around making bogus claims im going to call you on it. And if your can't provide evidence it's proof that you are full of bull. It's not a deflection it's a response. Just because you say things without thinking about the consequences doesn't mean i have to give you a pass. And calling me a troll doesn't make me a troll, it just means you don't want to defend your statement. Too bad.

A lot=/=90% to all the laymens that don't understand.

No one needs to prove you anything.
I say 90% of players on RT have a sin.Believe it or not. Its your choice
What kind of prove do you ****ing want? Do you want screen shots of every ****ing sin( main and alt) on RT server? Well wait for that untill I ****ing gonna do it.( never)
.And yes from my side is and objective statement. If you got a problem with that I can care less.Sue me or GTFO.
Ppl that play or have played on RT server knows very well that the amount of sins there is ****ing huge.

koryn7

DionDagger - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Saying something is 90% of something is not a subjective statement, that is an objective statement. Do you need a dictionary?

Like i said, citation or gtfo. If you go around making bogus claims im going to call you on it. And if your can't provide evidence it's proof that you are full of bull. It's not a deflection it's a response. Just because you say things without thinking about the consequences doesn't mean i have to give you a pass. And calling me a troll doesn't make me a troll, it just means you don't want to defend your statement. Too bad.

A lot=/=90% to all the laymens that don't understand.

1. "Saying something is 90% of something is not a subjective statement, that is an objective statement." -I grant you this. However, I never said that. I just said "a lot" and I did not say 90% equaled "a lot" If you had taken the time to read my other post instead of saying "I don't care about your subjective information" you would have seen that I was utilizing the word "subjective" and its variants correctly, realizing that it was in fact subjective and not objective, but it was the only thing I could offer.

2. "Do you need a dictionary?" -No, thank you. Good to know you own one. I was worried.

3. "Like i said, citation or gtfo. If you go around making bogus claims im going to call you on it." -I never made bogus claims. You started asking Bloodebone87 for a citation. I simply offered, based on my experience, how I perceive the RT server population and was replied to in a very rude fashion.

4. "And if your can't provide evidence it's proof that you are full of bull." No, it just means that I or Bloodebone87 don't have access to the kind of "proof" you are demanding. The way we reply is at our discretion, as is if we use information based on our personal experiences or not.

5. "It's not a deflection it's a response." -Sure...

6. "Just because you say things without thinking about the consequences doesn't mean i have to give you a pass." What consequences? Who died and made you forum king? b:laugh

7. "And calling me a troll doesn't make me a troll, it just means you don't want to defend your statement. Too bad." -If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...it's probably a duck.

8. "A lot=/=90% to all the laymens that don't understand." Laymen does not have an 's' And as that is not specialized information to a particular field, then the use of the word "laymen" does not apply. Now who needs a dictionary?

If you were to go to the sin forums and start a thread on sin populations across various servers, would you get people's opinions based on what they have seen or would you get some form of "citation"? Though I bet on the former, perhaps someone will take the time to find you some type of citation. Perhaps give that a shot if you are genuinely curious and not merely trolling.

ZentDreigon - Raging Tide

I'll always remember this AEU I was in in which I, as a wizard, and a psy kept people live with more reliability than the violet cleric and the damage mystic. And both argued the whole instance. Both were kicked at Aurogon as punishment from squad leader. Wizzy and psy had to avoid DDing though. Overall, was interesting.

As for those arguing about the "90% are sin" stuff: shut up already. You are being ridiculous over an irrelevant issue.

Sigh... Children...

koryn7

ZentDreigon - Raging Tide wrote: »

I'll always remember this AEU I was in in which I, as a wizard, and a psy kept people live with more reliability than the violet cleric and the damage mystic. And both argued the whole instance. Both were kicked at Aurogon as punishment from squad leader. Wizzy and psy had to avoid DDing though. Overall, was interesting.

As for those arguing about the "90% are sin" stuff: shut up already. You are being ridiculous over an irrelevant issue.

Sigh... Children. b:laugh Except Tory who is awesome always."fixed"

Mwahahahha

Regards to your example: that's awful. So you got a sucky cleric and sucky mystic all in one run! I haven't been in that situation often. Speaking of AEU: i remember this one squad where the cleric kept spamming metal skills on the elemental immune twin in AEU in violet dance while yelling at me (mystic) to heal everyone. It was soooo ridiculous. And she was r9r3....b:shocked

Sin stuff: Maybe he will create a thread in the sin forums, if he is genuinely curious, as suggested in my last response.

Aziza_Atori - Archosaur

ZentDreigon - Raging Tide wrote: »

I'll always remember this AEU I was in in which I, as a wizard, and a psy kept people live with more reliability than the violet cleric and the damage mystic. And both argued the whole instance. Both were kicked at Aurogon as punishment from squad leader. Wizzy and psy had to avoid DDing though. Overall, was interesting.

As for those arguing about the "90% are sin" stuff: shut up already. You are being ridiculous over an irrelevant issue.

Sigh... Children...

Please tell me this is a joke x.x A mystic who can't take over from a bad cleric.. how embarrasing... A mystic letting a wiz and psy outshine them in healing ... If i saw that on my server I'd take a serious talk with that mystic about knowing his/her class.

koryn7

Aziza_Atori - Archosaur wrote: »

Please tell me this is a joke x.x A mystic who can't take over from a bad cleric.. how embarrasing... A mystic letting a wiz and psy outshine them in healing ... If i saw that on my server I'd take a serious talk with that mystic about knowing his/her class.

That is pitiful for sure. whoever was leading Zent's squad had a lot more patience than I have. I would have kicked both the cleric and the mystic much earlier.b:laugh Hopefully we can refer them to your guide next time it happens Aziza! b:victory

Aziza_Atori - Archosaur

Finally^^ i got the guide made more readable and posted on the forum I hope people will like it b:cute

DionDagger - Dreamweaver

koryn7 wrote: »

it just means that I or Bloodebone87 don't have access to the kind of "proof" you are demanding. The way we reply is at our discretion, as is if we use information based on our personal experiences or not.

If feel, therefore it is. Basically.

VitoryXXX - Archosaur

Maybe im bit late but...im bored and it gone bit off topic by now so might as well go back to topic of why i prefer mystic...
I just feel it's the best class for me and no other is better~
When i was low level i had a pet that helped me, after couple of levels decided not to rely on pet as much so decided to get some killing myself by sending him to 1 mob and attacking other myself so heals was there if needed, if mobs were mag resist i got rid of them with absorb and if something get's close i just blow them away with tornado, was perfect for me and still is PvP or PvE..
So why not...
Assassin-Well if mystic is my main character then assassin would be my secondary, it's great for quickly moving around and jumping from place to place and killing things fast without wasting too much HP pots because of BP, however not as great against multiple ranged targets, can take care of 2-3 easy, but if more that's a annoying.Well simply not perfect class for me.

Blademaster-Went with axes and fists, personally rather dull class with mainly AoE's in mind and having a specific purpose in squads, massive pain with ranged mobs and if those mobs slow debuff you...People say mystics slow moving (i fixed it with properly made genie), but mystic just need to get to range of attack skill while BM's need to get to phys attack range so too irritating

Archer-Got mine to 100-100-100 and...for me personally seriously awful class i just can't play it just too frustrating and can't stand it, good DD but if something get's too close that DD is gone and mostly annoying thing is AoE's...i like to do pulls and kill everything after but not a chance with archer...

Barbarian-Havent played much yet so cant tell much but what i can tell is i like it more then archer~

Seeker-Also bit dull class for me centered on aoe's but since it has ranged attacks that already makes it better then BM, but thing about phys classes(apart archer) is that they like BP if doing something big like a huge pull or something, and if they get stunned during that pull BP wont help you, unlike mystic's they don't need clerics healing or some other class skill to keep them alive, if get stunned i still get heals from falling petals on mystic and i can heal myself if needed.

Wizards-Looks fun and interesting class to play with all aoes and attack skills, but no self heals all i can hear people say ''kite kite'' that's what i hate, i want to stand my ground don't move and kill from where i am no matter how much i am swarmed by mob's~

Cleric-Good fun class with a lot of responsibility attached to it,can take care of itself and solo things without thinking much about survivability, timing on sparks and such...but with Mystic it will always be faster (if both had same gear) cleric have this long channel on everything and when doing pulls i feel like im gonna kill someone next to me if i see ''interrupted'' again

Venomancer-Also haven't played much but i already see a lot of relying on pet and a lot of taking care of pet, feed,level,don't kill it,evolution and venos themselves can't really heal anything other then pet and that heal skill they have... casting way too long for the cooldown it has.But i guess i would like the class~

Psychics-Great mag DD class but also, it's a like a glass cannon, take up too much then can handle and you will have some fun surviving ''psychic will'' and ''Bubble'' will help but one eats chi and both have long cooldown. And maybe just for me it's bit familliar to seeker some ranged aoes with some single target attacks so also get bit dull~

So...mentioned something what i like about mystic but now me as rrr9 mystic...got sick of people thinking it's a weak class so i just decided to move on from r8 because it wasn't enough anymore when g16 came out...and i decided to ''move on'' bit more drastically with r9~
i always liked to spark and dd like hell with r8 and actually steal aggro from everyone..always liked to try and solo things (still do) the only difference now is i just go and solo~ Soloed almost everything warsong badge run (since FW ned solo all pavs), Full Delta, any TT, SoT (not Xipher YET), Abba Even attempted FSP which got through first 2 bosses easy but can't be bothered with Toad's timing on when he ''slashes'' or whatever..
Playing Mystic ever since started PWI and not getting bored of it whether i heal,debuff, or DD the living hell out of something~

Ah right don't have much of opinion about new classes but:
Duskblade- a lot of skill involved in the class and just too good at stunlocking but already know that class not for me~
Stormbringer-fun class so far curious to see more but i am sure will never replace mystic for me~

Aziza_Atori - Archosaur

Some says dusks is the mystic among melees but melees don't appeal to me..storm on the other hand is fun to play but it lacks much of the stuff I love about my mystic so sb cant replace her ever...kicked my wiz alt out of the picture big time though..she can kill stuff my mystic coldnt handle at that lvl(30) but I don't like that I can't heal and res like on my myst and as sb I will need to trust another healer..uff..I'm happy my main is mystic.