Can we have server merges please?

QueNa - Sanctuary

Ok I know we've had many threads about it but dunno how else to attract the GMs attention and it looks like players have given up. If there were enough complains, GMs would usually do something in the past. I don't usually post but I lurk the forums a lot. If people don't speak up we have no chance.


Here's the problem:

The population & activity on many servers grows smaller. Some people are busy for a couple of months with the expansion but this activity will go and we'll be back to people having no motivation to play.

1) Server population and activity in decline compared to the past

2) Players have made many threads asking for server merges: they want it to happen


Pros of merging servers:

1) Increased competitiveness in TW. Top TW faction of one server will meet top TW faction of another and will have an equal opponent for each other. Lower tier factions will meet other lower tier factions and have opponents also.

2) More active PK. Players interested in PKing from both servers grouping together to PK plus the people coming from one server might be interested in trying their skill against the people from other merged server.

3) More active NW. NW nowadays has like 100 people per nation. If it's similar on other servers we could bump that up to 200 people per nation. That's something.

4) More active PvE. A merged server will have higher population so more instances run and such. More players = more items = more trading going on.

5) Able to meet friends from other servers. People that post a lot on forums or have low level toons on other servers made few friends from other servers. Now they have a chance to play together.

6) Better event management for GMs. Fewer servers means fewer things to take care of. Remember the PvP tourny and other GM events? It will be easier for them to organize such events as they need to visit fewer servers.



So in your opinion which servers should merge? Which servers would you merge?

opkossy

Part of why it's not likely to happen anytime soon (if at all) is that our servers weren't designed with merges in mind. Now combine that with six years worth of accumulated data that can easily cause conflicts if mishandled or even the slightest accident occurs and you're looking at a VERY long and difficult task. The recent problem on Dreamweaver where people can't access certain characters or have all their gear on someone else's account and so on would look absolutely minor and insignificant compared to the issues that can (and let's be honest, this is PWE we're dealing with AND this would be a massive undertaking so it's less of a can and more of a will) occur. The EU servers were designed to be merged from Day 1, which is why it went so smoothly overall. The US ones? Not so much.

bloodedone87

I see only the Pros of server merge( pros in your opinion) but where are the cons?
Server merge wont increase the population of PW.
Lets say yu have 2 servers. One with 150ppl and one with 130ppl.
You merge the 2 servers and yu got 280 ppl on one server not 2.
You wont have 280 on each server cause you dont got 2 servers anymore due to the fact you merge them together.

QueNa - Sanctuary

bloodedone87 wrote: »

I see only the Pros of server merge( pros in your opinion) but where are the cons?
Server merge wont increase the population of PW.
Lets say yu have 2 servers. One with 150ppl and one with 130ppl.
You merge the 2 servers and yu got 280 ppl on one server not 2.
You wont have 280 on each server cause you dont got 2 servers anymore due to the fact you merge them together.

You're free to list cons if you wish.

But I never claimed server merges will increase the population of PWI.

It will increase the population of individual servers once merged which is exactly what we need: population on each server is low -> merge servers -> each server has more players to play with now.

An active server might attract more people though (new or returning), or not. We don't know.




At Kossy, wasn't archosaur in the same database as some other servers on west coast? I remember we had some servers that shared databases at least. At least those have a chance.

LuckingFoco - Raging Tide

I'm fine with the population of RT. I've had no problems finding squads for any BH 100 or FSP. And my alts that aren't 100 can find squads easily enough as well.

Plus I personally don't care about PvP, TW, and lately NW as I no longer need to go to NW. NW is just a waste of time now. Only thing I would use NW for is to add bonuses to items, which I can just buy the raps if needed from other players.

bloodedone87

QueNa - Sanctuary wrote: »

You're free to list cons if you wish.

But I never claimed server merges will increase the population of PWI.

It will increase the population of individual servers once merged which is exactly what we need: population on each server is low -> merge servers -> each server has more players to play with now.

An active server might attract more people though (new or returning), or not. We don't know.




At Kossy, wasn't archosaur in the same database as some other servers on west coast? I remember we had some servers that shared databases at least. At least those have a chance.

I dont want server merge. Its a bad idea and will create alot of problems.
I will give you one exemple.
I am a PVE player. PVP only in NW.
That means I like to chose when to fight agains other players and not.
Dont want a server merge and end up on a pvp server where i have to watch my back everytime i am questing, everytime i do my dailies, everytime i am out of safe zone.I want to let my char autopathing and go afk without being afraid that it will be attacked and killed by other player or it will accidentaly go into someone aoe and gets killed.

QueNa - Sanctuary

bloodedone87 wrote: »

I dont want server merge. Its a bad idea and will create alot of problems.
I will give you one exemple.
I am a PVE player. PVP only in NW.
That means I like to chose when to fight agains other players and not.
Dont want a server merge and end up on a pvp server where i have to watch my back everytime i am questing, everytime i do my dailies, everytime i am out of safe zone.I want to let my char autopathing and go afk without being afraid that it will be attacked and killed by other player or it will accidentaly go into someone aoe and gets killed.

PvE servers would merge with PvE servers. The GMs know PvE servers are more popular here, hence we only have 2 PvP servers.

bloodedone87

QueNa - Sanctuary wrote: »

PvE servers would merge with PvE servers. The GMs know PvE servers are more popular here, hence we only have 2 PvP servers.

Lets see now. We have 7 servers atm without the EU server.
We have 4 west server and 3 east server.
How you going to merge? 2 with 2 on west i think. but wait. on west you got 1 pvp server only and 3 pve. Are you going to merge all 3 pve server and let the pvp server unmerged( i guess thats the word).Or you going to merge Lost City west server with Harshland east server?
Is it posible to merge west server with east server?

Burningalpha - Lost City

I have no actual insight on this myself but don't they run off of different time zone schedules? West coast and east coast are two very different locations so it would more than likely make it a lot harder for everyone to agree on event times. Living where i am now caught in the middle playing on a west coast pvp server Nation war happens at 10:20 pm and ends at 12:20 am just as an example. While merging would bring together a couple different populations. While yes you could merge the three pve servers in west coast together what would you do about the pvp server with nothing to merge with?

Prologue - Sanctuary

I just want to point out 3 things.

QueNa - Sanctuary wrote: »

1) Server population and activity in decline compared to the past

I'm pretty sure population and activity decline was because of the stupid things PW has been doing, for example, free 95 stones.
Back then we complain about FCC babies, but atleast FCC babies HAVE money to decent gear up their character, it wasn't as bad when they tag along the lvl 100 stuffs. Now with the gearless stone lvl 100s, it ridiculous. I went on a break before the new race came out and came back to try them out. Only to find out that my new lvl 60 SB can out tank an RB 1 lvl 90 sin. After that, I kinda lost interest in playing again due to the fact that most of the players I run into in lower instances are all noobs. Merging servers just means combining the amount of these noobs in 2 servers into 1... real fun.

Pros of merging servers:


2) More active PK. Players interested in PKing from both servers grouping together to PK plus the people coming from one server might be interested in trying their skill against the people from other merged server.

For some reason players from PVE servers always complains about lack of PKers... I wonder why. Combining PWE servers ain't going to get you a ton more PKers since a good portion of the PWE players would also play for PWE like Sanctuary...

3) More active NW. NW nowadays has like 100 people per nation. If it's similar on other servers we could bump that up to 200 people per nation. That's something.

Yeah because, bumping it up to 200 people would make a big difference right... It only means that people can bring MORE alts into NW. Woohoo?

Yup. That's all I wanted to say.

killeresras

I agree with op. Any responses against it are dumb. PvE only players are dumb so I refuse to take any of their responses seriously. More noobs? Idc more players is more players. Hmm what u all do not see is the fact that a server merge would probably bring back old players. Old players have left because of declining numbers on their server. Many would have liked to switch servers, but didn't want to start over. I know many on sanctuary that log back on after ages just to see if our pk has returned, but sadly it hasn't.

Why do I think pve players are dumb?
-pve is a way to get gear to pvp with not continue on killing mobs that pose no challenge.
-pve players would like to say pvp is a waste of time? Bishes pve is a waste of time once you make it to end game.
-pve players would like to say pk presents no goal? Bishes: pk - goal is to win, nw-goal is to win, tw-goal is to win, pve- wtf if your not gearing to beat actual competition this stuff has no goal.
-pve only players claim to have no time to pk? Bishes shutup u can spend hours farming TT and such to pve more, but don't have time to pk? Yea right.

PvE only players are stupid in my opinion. Idc if it's a pve server. If yall like killing mobs which are pixels u should be able to kill players which are also pixels. Therefore if you like pve it becomes automatic to like pvp. Which really makes pve only players kind of a special race, but their are way to many.

Sorry I really felt like saying this.

Yes to server merges. Anybody that says any reason besides it's hard to do is dumb

whyarcher88

The 2 former EU servers were merged cos of low population but since then, the population has exploded and now there are some demanding a split again. Same thing might happen to US servers. HT although the least populated now is still sufficiently well populated. World chat at 1 per minute non peak, every 30 seconds average during peak hours, seems no problem getting squads.

Burningalpha - Lost City

killeresras wrote: »

I agree with op. Any responses against it are dumb. PvE only players are dumb so I refuse to take any of their responses seriously. More noobs? Idc more players is more players. Hmm what u all do not see is the fact that a server merge would probably bring back old players. Old players have left because of declining numbers on their server. Many would have liked to switch servers, but didn't want to start over. I know many on sanctuary that log back on after ages just to see if our pk has returned, but sadly it hasn't.

That's a pretty bold statement, but for the most part you're wrong. Yes, SOME older player left due to server inactivity, but there's been many things that drove them away, much more prominent than "declining population". ex: Removal of Hypers in Frost, poor event management, lack of new exciting events, and of course shady cash schemes from pwi like the new stone/pill babies.

Why do I think pve players are dumb?
-pve is a way to get gear to pvp with not continue on killing mobs that pose no challenge.

Yes, you can eventually" get pvp gear from it, but the mobs do provide a challenge. Unless you're the guy botting the new starting area.

-pve players would like to say pvp is a waste of time? Bishes pve is a waste of time once you make it to end game.

PVE still makes you coins, plus dailies are part of a pve experience. Hardly a waste of time. If it was such a waste of time, TW guilds wouldn't keep doing pve and you wouldnt see the players doing dailies.

-pve players would like to say pk presents no goal? Bishes: pk - goal is to win, nw-goal is to win, tw-goal is to win, pve- wtf if your not gearing to beat actual competition this stuff has no goal.

PVE goal: Kill enough mobs to get enough coins for (insert item here), complete the quest which gives you EXP to level up, To FURTHER YOUR CULTIVATION QUEST, ect
-pve only players claim to have no time to pk? Bishes shutup u can spend hours farming TT and such to pve more, but don't have time to pk? Yea right.

Thats exactly why, they're doing something productive with their time. Whats the point in being charm ***** by other players who in r9rr will just one shot you anyway? There isn't. Pvp is fun, really it is. But when it boils down to it almost all the time you'll be out-geared from the start. You may enjoy calling people bishes, talking trash and getting one shot, but not everyone else does.

PvE only players are stupid in my opinion. Idc if it's a pve server. If yall like killing mobs which are pixels u should be able to kill players which are also pixels. Therefore if you like pve it becomes automatic to like pvp. Which really makes pve only players kind of a special race, but their are way to many.

That's some logic you've got there, I think you're a special race of your own

Sorry I really felt like saying this.

You should feel sorry for typing this

NO to server merges. Anybody that says any reason besides it's hard to do is dumb
None of your above arguements said anything about it being hard to do.

I'm sorry but are you trying to be troll bait? PVE servers are a more laid back experience. They enable the player to CHOOSE between if they want player killed or not. PVP servers you have NO say if you are rpked or not. Just because some people choose to experiance the game without the occasional lvl 100 tough guy who thinks it's cool to rpk camp fresh level thirties doesnt mean they're any better or worse than players in the pvp server.

bloodedone87

killeresras wrote: »

I agree with op. Any responses against it are dumb. PvE only players are dumb so I refuse to take any of their responses seriously. More noobs? Idc more players is more players. Hmm what u all do not see is the fact that a server merge would probably bring back old players. Old players have left because of declining numbers on their server. Many would have liked to switch servers, but didn't want to start over. I know many on sanctuary that log back on after ages just to see if our pk has returned, but sadly it hasn't.

Why do I think pve players are dumb?
-pve is a way to get gear to pvp with not continue on killing mobs that pose no challenge.
-pve players would like to say pvp is a waste of time? Bishes pve is a waste of time once you make it to end game.
-pve players would like to say pk presents no goal? Bishes: pk - goal is to win, nw-goal is to win, tw-goal is to win, pve- wtf if your not gearing to beat actual competition this stuff has no goal.
-pve only players claim to have no time to pk? Bishes shutup u can spend hours farming TT and such to pve more, but don't have time to pk? Yea right.

PvE only players are stupid in my opinion. Idc if it's a pve server. If yall like killing mobs which are pixels u should be able to kill players which are also pixels. Therefore if you like pve it becomes automatic to like pvp. Which really makes pve only players kind of a special race, but their are way to many.

Sorry I really felt like saying this.

Yes to server merges. Anybody that says any reason besides it's hard to do is dumb

Can a mod delate this please? this is just a flamebait. plus this person is insulting us(dumbs, noobs, bishes, stupid he calls us this way) cause we dont like pvp and pk as much as he likes.

killeresras

Burningalpha - Lost City wrote: »

I'm sorry but are you trying to be troll bait? PVE servers are a more laid back experience. They enable the player to CHOOSE between if they want player killed or not. PVP servers you have NO say if you are rpked or not. Just because some people choose to experiance the game without the occasional lvl 100 tough guy who thinks it's cool to rpk camp fresh level thirties doesnt mean they're any better or worse than players in the pvp server.

Nope. This argument completely shattered when you said mobs provide a challenge. World bosses are the only challenge. When groups attack them they aren't a challenge the same goes for instances. Yes you can't solo them, but they are group requirements. For group requirements they are quite pathetic.

As I said pve is a waste of time if your goal never includes pvp. PvE provides no challenge whatsoever I can autobot pretty much any mob in this game. The fact that I can autobot kill mobs is enough to prove that they are no challenge I can literally kill them in my sleep. If you consider mobs a challenge at all I guess u really don't belong in pvp.

Yea pvp can be money taxing, but who cares as much as some people pve they should have plenty of money. I for one like the challenge of facing actual players. If a player decides to attack me, u know what I say? I say "wow u just can't get that from mobs". Why do I say that? Mobs are confined to an area and have a limit as to how far they can go. Well that Is boring. Players can come out anywhere in the game and that to me is way more realistic. I say bring on the challenge. I did when I was tt90, I did when I got g16, I did when I got r9, I did when I got r999. I for one enjoy a challenge.

Why did I say pve only players are special? I said they are special for liking pve, but not pvp. For further detail they are special because they somehow place a difference on pixels. Mobs are pixels. Players are pixels. If you like killing mobs then you should like killing players. I guess some people just don't like a challenge because players vary because of the simple fact that the person controlling these specific clusters of pixels has a mind unlike mobs.

Nope I'm not ashamed I'm glad I typed what I did.

killeresras

bloodedone87 wrote: »

Can a mod delate this please? this is just a flamebait. plus this person is insulting us(dumbs, noobs, bishes, stupid he calls us this way) cause we dont like pvp and pk as much as he likes.

Naa it's an opinion that's not naming anyone pretty legit

LuckingFoco - Raging Tide

killeresras wrote: »

Nope. This argument completely shattered when you said mobs provide a challenge. World bosses are the only challenge. When groups attack them they aren't a challenge the same goes for instances. Yes you can't solo them, but they are group requirements. For group requirements they are quite pathetic.

As I said pve is a waste of time if your goal never includes pvp. PvE provides no challenge whatsoever I can autobot pretty much any mob in this game. The fact that I can autobot kill mobs is enough to prove that they are no challenge I can literally kill them in my sleep. If you consider mobs a challenge at all I guess u really don't belong in pvp.

Yea pvp can be money taxing, but who cares as much as some people pve they should have plenty of money. I for one like the challenge of facing actual players. If a player decides to attack me, u know what I say? I say "wow u just can't get that from mobs". Why do I say that? Mobs are confined to an area and have a limit as to how far they can go. Well that Is boring. Players can come out anywhere in the game and that to me is way more realistic. I say bring on the challenge. I did when I was tt90, I did when I got g16, I did when I got r9, I did when I got r999. I for one enjoy a challenge.

Why did I say pve only players are special? I said they are special for liking pve, but not pvp. For further detail they are special because they somehow place a difference on pixels. Mobs are pixels. Players are pixels. If you like killing mobs then you should like killing players. I guess some people just don't like a challenge because players vary because of the simple fact that the person controlling these specific clusters of pixels has a mind unlike mobs.

Nope I'm not ashamed I'm glad I typed what I did.

From the tone of your posts I'm guessing you are between the ages of 12 and 15, starting to hit puberty, never kissed a girl, and or was dropped on your head as a baby.

As a PvE player, and one that has been playing MMOs probably longer than you have been breathing, I can tell you, there are a lot of us that have no desire to participate in PvP. If I wanted to go PvP I would have initially chosen a PvP server and not had to graduate from pull ups to PvP underoos on a carebear server.

This is mainly due to the moron induced "I'm a badass" mentality of most PvP players that think their ego and accomplishments in life based on their gameplay are above reproach since they can desk chair keyboard button mash better than someone else. Then there is the world chats, at least on my server that proves the insignificant and juvenile mental state of the main PvP idiot brigade. I have no desire to be a part of that.

Want to be legit PvP? Don't get your training pants on a PvE server then complain a PvE server is no fun. Also don't forget its laughable when the excuse "I didn't know the server wasn't PvP when I started" or better "dis is my frist MMO I dint no wut PK meens"

bloodedone87

killeresras wrote: »

Nope. This argument completely shattered when you said mobs provide a challenge. World bosses are the only challenge. When groups attack them they aren't a challenge the same goes for instances. Yes you can't solo them, but they are group requirements. For group requirements they are quite pathetic.

As I said pve is a waste of time if your goal never includes pvp. PvE provides no challenge whatsoever I can autobot pretty much any mob in this game. The fact that I can autobot kill mobs is enough to prove that they are no challenge I can literally kill them in my sleep. If you consider mobs a challenge at all I guess u really don't belong in pvp.

Yea pvp can be money taxing, but who cares as much as some people pve they should have plenty of money. I for one like the challenge of facing actual players. If a player decides to attack me, u know what I say? I say "wow u just can't get that from mobs". Why do I say that? Mobs are confined to an area and have a limit as to how far they can go. Well that Is boring. Players can come out anywhere in the game and that to me is way more realistic. I say bring on the challenge. I did when I was tt90, I did when I got g16, I did when I got r9, I did when I got r999. I for one enjoy a challenge.

Why did I say pve only players are special? I said they are special for liking pve, but not pvp. For further detail they are special because they somehow place a difference on pixels. Mobs are pixels. Players are pixels. If you like killing mobs then you should like killing players. I guess some people just don't like a challenge because players vary because of the simple fact that the person controlling these specific clusters of pixels has a mind unlike mobs.

Nope I'm not ashamed I'm glad I typed what I did.

Like someone above said clearly you are between 12 and 15 or have that mentality.
You cant expect ppl to like the same things that you like.Cause people are humans and they are different. We are not robots programed to act the same way all.
Players that have plenty of money? Not all they have plenty of money. The fact that you can maybe use mommy credit card not have this privilage. You dont find chalenge in fighting mobs or bosses but other can find chalenge in that. You like fighting other players , others dont like it. You cant judge people for not likeing the same things as you do.If I would have liked killing other players maybe I would have played something like Mortal Kombat or Tekken or other game thats similar.

Prologue - Sanctuary

killeresras wrote: »

Nope. This argument completely shattered when you said mobs provide a challenge. World bosses are the only challenge. When groups attack them they aren't a challenge the same goes for instances. Yes you can't solo them, but they are group requirements. For group requirements they are quite pathetic.

As I said pve is a waste of time if your goal never includes pvp. PvE provides no challenge whatsoever I can autobot pretty much any mob in this game. The fact that I can autobot kill mobs is enough to prove that they are no challenge I can literally kill them in my sleep. If you consider mobs a challenge at all I guess u really don't belong in pvp.

Yea pvp can be money taxing, but who cares as much as some people pve they should have plenty of money. I for one like the challenge of facing actual players. If a player decides to attack me, u know what I say? I say "wow u just can't get that from mobs". Why do I say that? Mobs are confined to an area and have a limit as to how far they can go. Well that Is boring. Players can come out anywhere in the game and that to me is way more realistic. I say bring on the challenge. I did when I was tt90, I did when I got g16, I did when I got r9, I did when I got r999. I for one enjoy a challenge.

Why did I say pve only players are special? I said they are special for liking pve, but not pvp. For further detail they are special because they somehow place a difference on pixels. Mobs are pixels. Players are pixels. If you like killing mobs then you should like killing players. I guess some people just don't like a challenge because players vary because of the simple fact that the person controlling these specific clusters of pixels has a mind unlike mobs.

Nope I'm not ashamed I'm glad I typed what I did.

You seem to forgotten that this is a GAME. What is the purpose for a GAME? ENJOY YOURSELF. The real "goal" is enjoying the game and do what we like to do. What PVE server players' "goal" is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. We don't need no ****ing challenge to enjoy a game. We don't need to win to enjoy a game.
Anyone that choose a PVE server have a different "goal", not that supposedly common goal of yours. And for your information, I personally know some people that plays this not for ANY other mechanics this games have but mainly just for the pretty graphic (maps/fashion/nice look gears/who cares). Go around and take pretty screenshots. That is their way of enjoying and spending time on this game quietly. Some plays to look for friends, significant other, or just to spend time however they like. Which none of it should be your concern and give you no right on calling PVE only players stupid or "special".

Just because there's maniacs like you where the only "goal" of a game is to get to the top as a PKer on a PVE server, doesn't mean the rest of us want to follow your stupid footstep.
And mind you, just because we are PVE players, doesn't mean we don't know how to PK, just because we know how to PK doesn't mean we must spend our time farming gears to PK. If we wanted to PK that badly, we would have chose a PVP server.

As far as I'm concerned, the only "special" one here at this very moment is probably you.

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Wanted to add, if we PVE players didn't call you PK maniacs "stupid" for having PK as your only goal, why should you call us stupid? Hmmm?

Oh and, just because you know how to PK, doesn't mean you even know how to do the simple PVE team cave run. Of course, by you I don't mean you. Don't take it personally.

DEMHEALSMAN - Dreamweaver

QueNa - Sanctuary wrote: »

Ok I know we've had many threads about it but dunno how else to attract the GMs attention and it looks like players have given up. If there were enough complains, GMs would usually do something in the past. I don't usually post but I lurk the forums a lot. If people don't speak up we have no chance.


Here's the problem:

The population & activity on many servers grows smaller. Some people are busy for a couple of months with the expansion but this activity will go and we'll be back to people having no motivation to play.

1) Server population and activity in decline compared to the past

2) Players have made many threads asking for server merges: they want it to happen


Pros of merging servers:

1) Increased competitiveness in TW. Top TW faction of one server will meet top TW faction of another and will have an equal opponent for each other. Lower tier factions will meet other lower tier factions and have opponents also.
- So it will essentially remain the same story, map reset, all factions take some lands, 2 big factions will do the rest while the smaller faction watches as their lands get taken.
TW needs different mechanics before this can work.

2) More active PK. Players interested in PKing from both servers grouping together to PK plus the people coming from one server might be interested in trying their skill against the people from other merged server.
- More active PK, merging tea party with tea party just equals a bigger tea party with the occasional ******* that does kill people which will cause complaining on WC. Yes, pk, so much fun.

3) More active NW. NW nowadays has like 100 people per nation. If it's similar on other servers we could bump that up to 200 people per nation. That's something.
- You mean more ****ty alts hogging the tokens so that people who actually have a good use for the tokens get even less?

4) More active PvE. A merged server will have higher population so more instances run and such. More players = more items = more trading going on.
- Might be good, might not be. PvE doesn't really require much activity, it just means there are more farmers, which means dropping prices.

5) Able to meet friends from other servers. People that post a lot on forums or have low level toons on other servers made few friends from other servers. Now they have a chance to play together.
- I'm not sure I can handle more of the WC "ERMAGERD <name> IS <insert generic slimeball comment>" than currently already is available.

6) Better event management for GMs. Fewer servers means fewer things to take care of. Remember the PvP tourny and other GM events? It will be easier for them to organize such events as they need to visit fewer servers.
- What GM's?


So in your opinion which servers should merge? Which servers would you merge?

Now, you missed the most vital point.
Because, and i'm surprised no one posted that comment yet, yes, THAT comment.
When servers merge, will the server be PvE or PvP?
And why?

I've always been sketchy about the entire merge = PvP server. There are plenty of people who chose PvE server over PvP server. Those who want to be on a PvP server should've picked a PvP server from the start. It's a poor excuse to go to a PvE server, get all your gear and items safely and then complain about no PvP and wanting more active PK. You should've started on a PvP server.

I'm not entirely against it being a PvP server if a merge would happen, but they should at least then change the 1 thing I have mostly against it:
Drops on death = utter bull****. The only ways to prevent it is:
Buy an item that prevents you losing items.
or
Set a safety lock which is a hazerdous piece of holy **** if you enter a 0 too many in it, not to mention having to think about relogging every now and then.

Apart from that, before that should happen there should be more active GM's, monitoring, what not to prevent grieving.

but, that's just my opinion b:avoid

killeresras

LuckingFoco - Raging Tide wrote: »

From the tone of your posts I'm guessing you are between the ages of 12 and 15, starting to hit puberty, never kissed a girl, and or was dropped on your head as a baby.

As a PvE player, and one that has been playing MMOs probably longer than you have been breathing, I can tell you, there are a lot of us that have no desire to participate in PvP. If I wanted to go PvP I would have initially chosen a PvP server and not had to graduate from pull ups to PvP underoos on a carebear server.

This is mainly due to the moron induced "I'm a badass" mentality of most PvP players that think their ego and accomplishments in life based on their gameplay are above reproach since they can desk chair keyboard button mash better than someone else. Then there is the world chats, at least on my server that proves the insignificant and juvenile mental state of the main PvP idiot brigade. I have no desire to be a part of that.

Want to be legit PvP? Don't get your training pants on a PvE server then complain a PvE server is no fun. Also don't forget its laughable when the excuse "I didn't know the server wasn't PvP when I started" or better "dis is my frist MMO I dint no wut PK meens"

From the tone of your post I am guessing that idgf. Taking in the details of your post I have discerned this... you are a carebear noob that cares much what other people think. Mentioning wc drama is pathetic as it is easy to bl those said to be causing the drama. Also who takes that stuff seriously? It's idiotic it's a game. People typically Bragg on games it's meant to be fun. Don't kid yourself Old man, kid, woman (see how insignificant mentioning someone's age or gender is it doesn't make you better) you don't pvp because you suck, take game drama seriously, or maybe your scared of the possibility of losing things. Legit pvp? PvP is player vs player doesn't matter where it's held any pvp is legit. you don't want a challenge you would rather mindlessly FaceRoll mobs that can't fight back.

Zoldi - Morai

QueNa - Sanctuary wrote: »

1) Increased competitiveness in TW. Top TW faction of one server will meet top TW faction of another and will have an equal opponent for each other. Lower tier factions will meet other lower tier factions and have opponents also..

This is not what happened after merging the EU servers.

But I do agree that this was a good thing for NW

SerenityCNB - Dreamweaver

killeresras wrote: »

I agree with op. Any responses against it are dumb. PvE only players are dumb so I refuse to take any of their responses seriously. More noobs? Idc more players is more players. Hmm what u all do not see is the fact that a server merge would probably bring back old players. Old players have left because of declining numbers on their server. Many would have liked to switch servers, but didn't want to start over. I know many on sanctuary that log back on after ages just to see if our pk has returned, but sadly it hasn't.

So based upon your response, you want to merge pve servers with pvp servers, and you want to do this under the pretense that older players will return for pk. Now, you're failing to consider the numerous amounts of players that will leave because of forced pk, when they joined a pve server from the beginning. So you propose stripping people of the choice to pvp or pve, when they created their characters on that server precisely so that they could have that choice. You also wish to dispel any debate against your opinion by calling it a dumb response from a dumb player, and by calling said player a noob. That says a lot about your maturity right there.

Why do I think pve players are dumb?
-pve is a way to get gear to pvp with not continue on killing mobs that pose no challenge.

Pve is something that some players do find enjoyable. You may not be one of them. Remember that not all players are decked out in R9rr, high shards, refines, cards, etc. That said, some players are finding challenges with some areas of Pve. Just because you don't find it to be a challenge doesn't mean that no one else does. Also, just because you don't find it to be enjoyable, doesn't mean that no one else does. Furthermore, pve is a way to get gear for whatever purpose the player intends to use it for...whether that be for pve, pvp, or to stand int the middle of arch and use teles all day is each players prerogative.

-pve players would like to say pvp is a waste of time? Bishes pve is a waste of time once you make it to end game.

Endgame has different meaning for different people. It's fairly subjective. For example, my endgame is being able to do all endgame content, and being able to survive without great struggle. That is my endgame. I'm a G16 cleric, with pretty good refines, and pretty good sharding. Pvp might be a waste of time for you because you're bored. It's not a waste of time for me. Consider that Morai gear exists. If PvE was such a waste of time, why would this gear even exist? Why would some players be using this gear as their variant of endgame gear if it was such a waste for them. There are even R9rr players that enjoy pve and don't really enjoy PvP, and that's their individual right to do so. In short, each person's endgame may vary. What's boring and a waste of time for you isn't a waste of time for another player. Just because you're bored and frustrated doesn't mean that PvE players have to acquiesce to your desires.

-pve players would like to say pk presents no goal? Bishes: pk - goal is to win, nw-goal is to win, tw-goal is to win, pve- wtf if your not gearing to beat actual competition this stuff has no goal.

Each person's goal is each person's goal. Some of us make little steps at a time. You want pve players to come forth and go toe to toe with endgame players from how you sound. Ok, so let's see...to compete on equal levels, you will need: High refines, R9rr, High sharding, Emperor tome, second rebirth, S card sets, or at the minimal A card sets, high LP genie, amongst many other factors. If you noticed, these items aren't necessarily cheap, and can take a long time to farm. To some players, they aren't gearing up for PvP, but are rather gearing up to more easily and comfortably enjoy the PvE content that is present in the game. You can't make light of someone else's goals just because yours differs.

-pve only players claim to have no time to pk? Bishes shutup u can spend hours farming TT and such to pve more, but don't have time to pk? Yea right.

This goes hand in hand with your previous post. Their goals are different than yours. They wish to spend their time doing things to better their character, and enhance their overall experience, rather than wasting time fighting you in a pointless manner. Keep in mind that they have to be white named for 10 hours too, so that plays a part on it also. It's illogical to be upset just because some players wish to farm TT, FSP, etc. Also consider that some people only have a limited amount of time to play...because of real life circumstances....work, college, school, family, friends, social life, studying, sleeping, medical conditions, etc. Always keep in mind that you don't know someone's story....and even if they just don't want to pvp, that's their right not to do so. This is further cemented by the fact that it is a right given to all on a pve server, and those of us that choose to pk do so, and those of us that choose not to do not.

PvE only players are stupid in my opinion. Idc if it's a pve server. If yall like killing mobs which are pixels u should be able to kill players which are also pixels. Therefore if you like pve it becomes automatic to like pvp. Which really makes pve only players kind of a special race, but their are way to many.

That's completely illogical. Let me state this...I play a cleric....a healer...this pixel character heals and buffs other characters as well as reviving them. By your logic, I should also like healing, buffing, and reviving mobs...since they are pixels too. See how your argument gets ground to dust like that? Also, let's be real. A lot of players are NOT geared for pvp, and aren't trying to be geared for pvp...because pvp just isn't one of their goals.

Sorry I really felt like saying this.

No you aren't. This is evident from your posts.

Yes to server merges. Anybody that says any reason besides it's hard to do is dumb

A childish statement, that once more shows your maturity level.

killeresras wrote: »

Nope. This argument completely shattered when you said mobs provide a challenge. World bosses are the only challenge. When groups attack them they aren't a challenge the same goes for instances. Yes you can't solo them, but they are group requirements. For group requirements they are quite pathetic.

Not everyone is R9rr, high refined, sharded, nuema'd, and carded.....so your argument falls short.

As I said pve is a waste of time if your goal never includes pvp. PvE provides no challenge whatsoever I can autobot pretty much any mob in this game. The fact that I can autobot kill mobs is enough to prove that they are no challenge I can literally kill them in my sleep. If you consider mobs a challenge at all I guess u really don't belong in pvp.

Ok, so you can autobot. Everyone else can autobot things too. That's not a good example of challenges of pvp. PvE content can present a challenge. For example, I'm a G16 cleric. It's a challenge to me when I can tank Toad's hits. It's a challenge when I solo water pavilion in WS. It's a challenge when I reverse the pavilions, a few groups at a time. It's a challenge when I solo PV, and pull in medium groups, as these weren't things I was able to do before. People can find challenges according to their skill, class, gear, and ability. Just because you're bored and don't find any content to challenge you doesn't mean that holds true for everyone else.

Yea pvp can be money taxing, but who cares as much as some people pve they should have plenty of money. I for one like the challenge of facing actual players. If a player decides to attack me, u know what I say? I say "wow u just can't get that from mobs". Why do I say that? Mobs are confined to an area and have a limit as to how far they can go. Well that Is boring. Players can come out anywhere in the game and that to me is way more realistic. I say bring on the challenge. I did when I was tt90, I did when I got g16, I did when I got r9, I did when I got r999. I for one enjoy a challenge.

If everyone had plenty of money, we'd all be R9rr, high refined, sharded, and carded. Let's be frank. Not everyone has coin, and even the people that do have coin may not want to PvP. That's THEIR choice...NOT yours.

I've been white named a few times (Only because that PvE caravan quest in primal world.). Lot's of fun getting killed while afk, charm ***** in dungeons with people randomly dropping for the sole purpose of getting their Lol's at ticking my charm. However, I was white named, and I made the choice to go white named. That was my decision, and my choice to do it...and while I do feel that caravan quest needs to be adjusted so PvE players can do it without going into PvP mode, and while I do feel that it was dishonorable to kill an afk opponent...or randomly charm tick the healer....that's the choice you make when you go pvp. I personally don't want to worry about the R9rr seeker that's around me, or worry about the R9rr archer shooting me from across the map, or worry about the sins following me in stealth, just to get some kills.

Sure, a good pvp battle is fun. I join NW a lot, and have fun doing it...but again...It's my CHOICE whether I join or not. Sure, I kill players, and players kill me too. I'm not arguing that a human will do things differently from a mob. The thing is this, not everyone wants to worry about the human attacking them when they're not interested in PvP.

You really think that the Morai geared player wants to worry about the R9rr player? The Morai geared players slaying levels mean absolutely nothing to any player, and their warding levels block no damage from any players. It is a legitimate path that some players choose for their endgame. That doesn't make them dumb or noobish, as you're so set on insisting. Same for any other gear other players have. The gear gap is sizable, and my +10 weapon means little to nothing to someone R9rr. You really think that's a lot of fun? The many players that see their weapons do so little damage, and their armor protect them almost not at all?

You mentioned realism in game...yet you play a game where you can double jump in game, where winged elves exist, mermaids travel on land and fly, shapeshifting classes exist that can turn from humanoid to animals, humans fly on magic swords, wizards exist, reapers exist, and some classes meditate and grow plants around them...so realism is out of the picture there. Heck, two races are technically demigods: Earthguards and Elves (Elves being half human, half god).

Your mentioning of a challenge varies from person to person. Just because you want pvp doesn't mean that everyone else does.

Why did I say pve only players are special? I said they are special for liking pve, but not pvp. For further detail they are special because they somehow place a difference on pixels. Mobs are pixels. Players are pixels. If you like killing mobs then you should like killing players. I guess some people just don't like a challenge because players vary because of the simple fact that the person controlling these specific clusters of pixels has a mind unlike mobs.

I don't enjoy hindering another person's progress, nor fun. I don't enjoy killing the random quester. I also don't enjoy the idea of it happening to me. Your logic is heavily flawed, and in need of serious help. Each person's idea of fun is different...point blank. It's illogical to think that someone is special for having different ideas of fun and enjoyable activities than you have.

Nope I'm not ashamed I'm glad I typed what I did.

You should be....Truly, you should be.

killeresras wrote: »

From the tone of your post I am guessing that idgf. Taking in the details of your post I have discerned this... you are a carebear noob that cares much what other people think. Mentioning wc drama is pathetic as it is easy to bl those said to be causing the drama. Also who takes that stuff seriously? It's idiotic it's a game. People typically Bragg on games it's meant to be fun. Don't kid yourself Old man, kid, woman (see how insignificant mentioning someone's age or gender is it doesn't make you better) you don't pvp because you suck, take game drama seriously, or maybe your scared of the possibility of losing things. Legit pvp? PvP is player vs player doesn't matter where it's held any pvp is legit. you don't want a challenge you would rather mindlessly FaceRoll mobs that can't fight back.

Mobs do fight back. Not everyone enjoys the WC drama. Learn to accept that people are different, have different goals, opinions, and activities that they enjoy...be it pve or pvp. We don't have to play your way, and you need to learn to understand that simple fact. You'll be happier in life if you do.

My responses in Deep Sky Blue.

WannaBM - Archosaur

Didnt read any of the thread, but server merges... It makes me wonder how many people play on chinese servers ?

People oven talk about desolated servers and a dying game etc. Yet every time there was a new expansion and new dailies to be done for astral levels, i would be standing waiting in line to get the limited amount of mobs available for those quests. Made me think that the game surely wasnt designed for more people per server. Or did they designe the game with PvP servers in mind and people having to squad up and fight for the kills required for these daily quests ?

odieuxconnard

CON


this : http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=22268981

If you want to make server heavier and heavier in term of number of connections, we are going definitevely to get the same system that the one in the link above.
Which means:

- Waiting for entering on PWI, can be very long. In other MMO i played which put this system of queue for login, it happened several times to wait 20-30min to connect.
- Or paying 20 Golds per months and per accounts (alts, main2...) to get a quick login

So no, merge is far from a good idea. Nowadays in NW, we got like 600 peoples which is good enough to enjoy these 2 hours of fights.

heerohex#3018

The GMs Monitor Server Activity.

This is something I have always said will be a future for PWI. (Server Merges)

The login in VIP system probably wont make that much of give or take. Im just hoping it will be tested. The long future of PWI is probably P2P. People have to remember that everything cost money to run. The result otherwise would be NO PWI! (At the end of life if people still want to play Remember no money No GAME!)

Lets hope that's a long time to come.

For now I'm not going to log as this is something I really want the GMs to do when the time is right. (On topic of server Merges)

Thanks,

XXHotXx - Morai

heero200 wrote: »

The GMs Monitor Server Activity.

This is something I have always said will be a future for PWI.

The login in VIP system probably wont make that much of give or take. Im just hoping it will be tested. The long future of PWI is probably P2P. People have to remember that everything cost money to run. The result otherwise would be NO PWI!

Lets hope that's a long time to come.

For now I'm not going to log as this is something I really want the GMs to do when the time is right.

Thanks,

LoL the future is P2P ?! xD since when? The trend is exactly all the way around, main titles go F2P with in game purchases.

and also like this where is gold supposed to come from? xD there will be a boutique in ingame coins? xD

or wait P2P plus in game purchases? do you realize that the day after they will put the 20$ fee this game will have no more players?

bloodedone87

XXHotXx - Morai wrote: »

LoL the future is P2P ?! xD since when? The trend is exactly all the way around, main titles go F2P with in game purchases.

and also like this where is gold supposed to come from? xD there will be a boutique in ingame coins? xD

or wait P2P plus in game purchases? do you realize that the day after they will put the 20$ fee this game will have no more players?

Exactly.
There are people that are quiting now when its a F2P game.
If they will ever decide to make this game P2P the next day they can turn off the ligh, close the door and put a lock on it.
I dont think they are that stupid.
But If i remember corectly at his origins when the game started in China it was a P2P game but they decided to make it F2P. Why they would want to make it P2P again?

Beside that MMO that we all know and starts with ''W'' I cannot name other MMO that is P2P.
Nothing comes in to my mind
And when I enter on MMO sites and watch game list I find the majority of those games to be F2P and some of them B2P.

heerohex#3018

XXHotXx - Morai wrote: »

LoL the future is P2P ?! xD since when? The trend is exactly all the way around, main titles go F2P with in game purchases.

and also like this where is gold supposed to come from? xD there will be a boutique in ingame coins? xD

or wait P2P plus in game purchases? do you realize that the day after they will put the 20$ fee this game will have no more players?

I did not state that it WILL BE P2P, that's my personal opinion that LONG term... And by long term i mean when the game is merged to 1 server and no other options are left to keep the game going. How its done and why its done we may never know... It may never happen... Ifs and Buts...

This game was designed to be P2P PWI1 is so...

Thanks,

bloodedone87

heero200 wrote: »

I did not state that it WILL BE P2P, that's my personal opinion that LONG term... And by long term i mean when the game is merged to 1 server and no other options are left to keep the game going. How its done and why its done we may never know... It may never happen... Ifs and Buts...

This game was designed to be P2P PWI1 is so...

Thanks,

It was designed to be P2P but they changed in F2P.Hmm i wonder why?( sarcasm here)
There will be alot of obtion to keep the game going.
Merge to 1 server=graveyard of this game.