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MagicSkry - Morai
MagicSkry - Morai Posts: 23 Arc User
edited January 2015 in General Discussion
Hi!
I must share my story. This happened on the Morai server. I was in a bh79 with random squad, and we discussed, that we need every boss. When we arrived to Loon's corner, the seeker told that he must hurry, he don't want to help us. The sin followed him (he was reborn1 with the nice daggers). Until i tanked Loon, cause they left us there, i kicked them out of the team, because they don't want to come back and help us (i was a stormbringer there). But the sin had enough time to stealth there, and kill Brigand, ruining our BH. What the heck can i do in a situation like that?
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  • SylenThunder - Twilight Temple
    SylenThunder - Twilight Temple Posts: 7,908
    edited January 2015
    Put them on a list and avoid squadding with them in the future. It's really all you can do.

    This is partly why i avoid random squads and keep most of my runs to faction groups and helping those in faction that need.
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  • Sylvae - Sanctuary
    Sylvae - Sanctuary Posts: 1,018 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    MagicSkry - Morai wrote: »
    Hi!
    I must share my story. This happened on the Morai server. I was in a bh79 with random squad, and we discussed, that we need every boss. When we arrived to Loon's corner, the seeker told that he must hurry, he don't want to help us. The sin followed him (he was reborn1 with the nice daggers). Until i tanked Loon, cause they left us there, i kicked them out of the team, because they don't want to come back and help us (i was a stormbringer there). But the sin had enough time to stealth there, and kill Brigand, ruining our BH. What the heck can i do in a situation like that?

    Out of curiousity, why didn't you guys go to brigand/linus, and then head back to get loon after? You wouldn't have lost out on anything, and there wouldn't have been an issue. Also, needing every boss usually means just brig/styg/linus. That is what every boss in a BH means. If you involve hooli and loon, you're not talking about BH; you're talking about the quests that aren't BH requiring them.

    For the kicking thing, it depends on if it was wined or not. If it wasn't, then most likely the sin was the one doing everything. So he got you the first boss and continued clearing for you guys, and they even stated they were in a hurry. It sounds more like intransigence on your part in wanting it done your way, instead of working with them and then getting what you need anyways. The fact you kicked them after they more than likely did the bulk of the work is even worse.

    So basically you guys were wanting everything your way, didn't contribute as much over-all, don't state if it was wined or not, and then tried to **** them over because you weren't willing to work with them. And so they went and got at least part of what they needed, despite your trying to **** them over because they didn't follow your orders; orders we're not even clear on if you even had the right to give.
  • mechabeastmc666
    mechabeastmc666 Posts: 346 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    It's not the sin's fault that you are unable to stealth with him.
  • MagicSkry - Morai
    MagicSkry - Morai Posts: 23 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    1. we clearly discussed that we need Loon too.
    2. even the sin could solo it, he decided to join a squad. Its the minimum to work together.
    3. we argued minutes at the corner, and i kicked them out when they entered the room where brigand is.
    4. why the hell must people be selfish idiots? And how can anyone defend them?
    5. read this, ***: http://mmohuts.com/editorials/mmorpg-etiquette
    mechabeastmc666 wrote: »
    It's not the sin's fault that you are unable to stealth with him.

    facepalm.
  • Toliman - Raging Tide
    Toliman - Raging Tide Posts: 1,595 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    MagicSkry - Morai wrote: »
    Hi!
    I must share my story. This happened on the Morai server. I was in a bh79 with random squad, and we discussed, that we need every boss. When we arrived to Loon's corner, the seeker told that he must hurry, he don't want to help us. The sin followed him (he was reborn1 with the nice daggers). Until i tanked Loon, cause they left us there, i kicked them out of the team, because they don't want to come back and help us (i was a stormbringer there). But the sin had enough time to stealth there, and kill Brigand, ruining our BH. What the heck can i do in a situation like that?

    You must resquad and do it without them.

    If you can do it without them and you need it, then I not see any problem in it.

    I could do it in Duo with my Cleric.
  • WannaBM - Archosaur
    WannaBM - Archosaur Posts: 1,984 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    As far as i read it:

    You guys have a disagreement, not enough mature communication to solve it.
    People choose sides.
    You kick them because they dont choose your side.
    They quickly get their boss and in the process **** you over after you kicked them.

    The problem is in the start. In the communications that happened before your squad Split up. All that happened after is irrelevant. Cant say what went wrong in that discussion.
    Everything i write is from PvE perspective unless mentioned otherwise.
  • Fail_BM - Raging Tide
    Fail_BM - Raging Tide Posts: 929 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    If I were you, I would have kicked him when he refused to help.

    MagicSkry - Morai wrote: »
    3. we argued minutes at the corner, and i kicked them out when they entered the room where brigand is.

    Don't ever kick someone OP near to a boss, this is what happens when you do it.
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  • zuzanny
    zuzanny Posts: 4
    edited January 2015
    MagicSkry - Morai wrote: »
    Hi!
    I must share my story. This happened on the Morai server. I was in a bh79 with random squad, and we discussed, that we need every boss. When we arrived to Loon's corner, the seeker (Mogu) told that he must hurry, he don't want to help us. The sin (Uninvited) followed him (he was reborn1 with the nice daggers). Until i tanked Loon, cause they left us there, i kicked them out of the team, because they don't want to come back and help us (i was a stormbringer there). But the sin had enough time to stealth there, and kill Brigand, ruining our BH. What the heck can i do in a situation like that?


    You are missing the whole point here people. The sin went to Brig and killed it on purpose to ruin the bh. That is something a 10yr old would do out of pure viciousness or unfortunately some adults also. Where u went and what the main people in the squad wanted to kill 1st is not the point. Something simular happened to me just yesturday. Nothing you can do about it except never squad with them again.
  • WannaBM - Archosaur
    WannaBM - Archosaur Posts: 1,984 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Who can say, it might as well have been something like this:

    Sin being OP
    Person A being squad maker and poster here wanting all bosses.
    Persons B and C being weaklings who are in a hurry and wanting only the other bosses.

    Sin trying to explain he will do the other bosses first so the guys in a hurry can leave first (they arent needed for the other boss anyway)

    The 3 of them going there, person A not following.
    Person A kicks them

    If it were like that, i would quickly squad the other 2 kicked guys and kill them bosses too.

    Not saying it has to be like that, its just very vague and doesnt seem like its all evil from only 1 side.
    Everything i write is from PvE perspective unless mentioned otherwise.
  • Sylvae - Sanctuary
    Sylvae - Sanctuary Posts: 1,018 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    zuzanny wrote: »
    You are missing the whole point here people. The sin went to Brig and killed it on purpose to ruin the bh. That is something a 10yr old would do out of pure viciousness or unfortunately some adults also. Where u went and what the main people in the squad wanted to kill 1st is not the point. Something simular happened to me just yesturday. Nothing you can do about it except never squad with them again.

    Except that wouldn't be the ONLY reason they did it, as is trying to be portrayed. The sin also needed the boss, and in all likelihood did a good amount of the work getting there. Getting kicked was like telling him to do it all over again, if he didn't like it. Except the sin didn't need to, and had the means to get the boss anyways.

    The mature thing to do would have been to just kill the brig/linus duo, and go back for loon for everyone who needed it. There was no absolute order it must be done in, and would have made the whole thing go faster with no one getting screwed.

    Players dropping happens all the time, Rebirths teach you patience there when people agree to a full delta, then drop at stage 5. Mature people don't rage about it, they just make sure to not accept that person in a group again. Happens in BHs; it's why I tend to solo mine. That and it goes much easier.

    But it sounds more like OP was trying to force their aid in killing loon with the threat of boot, which definitely isn't mature actions either. They apparently didn't need the sin with OP daggers to kill loon, so it seems pointless to boot someone.

    As for the sin being selfish, they were given a choice on boot; sacrifice their time and redo to the boss while making sure the person who booted you suffers nothing for his action, or teach a lesson back and get a BH done.

    We don't know what the squad comp was (pill babies, bad gear, sucky playing), we don't know what length the run was (extra bosses is fine on a run you think is going to take 15 mins, if the team sucks and time extends longer, might have time conflict), and we don't know the tone or insults tossed back and forth during those "minutes of arguing"

    But apparently the sin didn't even need to go with those guys, and could have stealthed the whole map and killed the bosses solo. So if he went with the group, it can be safely taken that he was helping out quite a bit, and went to help instead of flat out solo it. And got kicked for his efforts.

    Heck, could have even compromised and asked the sin and seeker to clear to brig/linus, while the rest went to kill loon. It's not far off if taking the short cut, and could have caught up with them for the final bosses.

    But nah, let's go with the assertion of complete innocence and maturity, despite the many deviations in decision making that would showcase logic or maturity. Especially with so many glaring holes in the story, that for me the omissions speak louder then the cherry picked facts to show the OP in the best light possible.
  • laiwaisan
    laiwaisan Posts: 1,123 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    if its pvp Put them on KOS list couple mill bounty put them on your faction KOS list make the dang game unplayable to they quit or just black list them and never invite them to squads best revenge is you let them in your squad then kick them befor they finish the quest or bh the need do it on alts lolb:pleased pay back is a bissssshhhh
  • slowwetkiss
    slowwetkiss Posts: 34 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Sylvae - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Out of curiousity, why didn't you guys go to brigand/linus, and then head back to get loon after? You wouldn't have lost out on anything, and there wouldn't have been an issue. Also, needing every boss usually means just brig/styg/linus. That is what every boss in a BH means. If you involve hooli and loon, you're not talking about BH; you're talking about the quests that aren't BH requiring them.

    For the kicking thing, it depends on if it was wined or not. If it wasn't, then most likely the sin was the one doing everything. So he got you the first boss and continued clearing for you guys, and they even stated they were in a hurry. It sounds more like intransigence on your part in wanting it done your way, instead of working with them and then getting what you need anyways. The fact you kicked them after they more than likely did the bulk of the work is even worse.

    So basically you guys were wanting everything your way, didn't contribute as much over-all, don't state if it was wined or not, and then tried to **** them over because you weren't willing to work with them. And so they went and got at least part of what they needed, despite your trying to **** them over because they didn't follow your orders; orders we're not even clear on if you even had the right to give.

    Getting scammed means you gave something to someone else with a promise of some sort of payment and not getting the payment. Or crafting an item and they take your mats and/or high-level gear/wep and log out of game. And you lose what you worked so hard to get. Going into an instance with a squad to achieve a goal and a few members sandbag the squad isn't scamming. That's just being fecetious and selfish.

    I didn't see her post as wanting things her way, or of following orders. This game is supposed to be about team work. As a team, you work together to acheive a single goal. I would have kicked them too if they were not helping, causing friction in the squad, and said they didn't have time to help. When you join random squads, and not go with people you are familiar with, most people get what they need and bag on the squad, and will not help with the rest of the goal. It doesn't matter why they went to one boss to kill it, and not any of the others, first. That doesn't even have any merit, unless you can read minds and know that someone is going to sandbag the BH. Remember the name and dont squad with them again. They wont get far in the game after doing that more than a few times.
  • MagicSkry - Morai
    MagicSkry - Morai Posts: 23 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    slowwetkiss wrote: »
    Getting scammed means you gave something to someone else with a promise of some sort of payment and not getting the payment.

    I gave my time at late night. Most people can't affor 1 hour of my life. Even yours.
  • DEMHEALSMAN - Dreamweaver
    DEMHEALSMAN - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,396 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    You can't do anything apart from blacklisting.
    Apart from that if something popped up for them and preventing them from doing the entire run, what stopped you from going with them to the other boss first?
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  • zoner112012
    zoner112012 Posts: 943 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Fail_BM - Raging Tide wrote: »
    If I were you, I would have kicked him when he refused to help.




    Don't ever kick someone OP near to a boss, this is what happens when you do it.

    Your signature is too damn funny.
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  • Sylvae - Sanctuary
    Sylvae - Sanctuary Posts: 1,018 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    MagicSkry - Morai wrote: »
    I gave my time at late night. Most people can't affor 1 hour of my life. Even yours.

    And shock of shocks, I appear to keep the streak of being right alive. Who'd'a thunkit?

    Arrogance that likely came out in the demands of do X my way, and the fact that apparently a BH79 took an hour to do. FB79s at lvl would take that long, no idea how a BH79 could take that long with OP people in squad.

    So a combination of sucky play, and making a run that should be 15 mins take an hour likely caused the seeker and sin to leave. I've had one run that glorified the personification of incompetence, with people dying and walking back. It took 30 mins, and was painful since I could have duoed with my BM in less than that time and got a card boss while doing it.

    I'm sure whatever you do in RL you might be good at, but it doesn't translate to the game. An hour of your time in the game, isn't worth $.02 apparently.
  • MagicSkry - Morai
    MagicSkry - Morai Posts: 23 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Sylvae - Sanctuary wrote: »
    And shock of shocks, I appear to keep the streak of being right alive. Who'd'a thunkit?

    Arrogance that likely came out in the demands of do X my way, and the fact that apparently a BH79 took an hour to do. FB79s at lvl would take that long, no idea how a BH79 could take that long with OP people in squad.

    So a combination of sucky play, and making a run that should be 15 mins take an hour likely caused the seeker and sin to leave. I've had one run that glorified the personification of incompetence, with people dying and walking back. It took 30 mins, and was painful since I could have duoed with my BM in less than that time and got a card boss while doing it.

    I'm sure whatever you do in RL you might be good at, but it doesn't translate to the game. An hour of your time in the game, isn't worth $.02 apparently.

    just to know: that was a 15min long run+ 10 minute arguing and drama. After that i had to find another squad and do it again in another 15 min. It's not about time, its about respect.
  • Father_gold - Sanctuary
    Father_gold - Sanctuary Posts: 449 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    if it were about respect then it would have been going both ways. if some ppl didnt need a boss and had to go in a short amount of time. then everyone should have killed the other bosses then done loon after with those who needed it.

    kicking them is what was childish and overly demanding, as doing brig/linus first would not have put anyone else out of sorts, unless you needed the OP sin to kill loon.

    also no one really cares how much value you put in your time as it would be equal to what everyone else places upon their own time. i just found that response to be quite arrogant.
  • opkossy
    opkossy Posts: 11,177 Community Moderator
    edited January 2015
    Everyone's at fault.


    I'm somewhat more inclined to side with them though because sometimes RL happens and you don't have time to do everything. Had you guys just goe to Linus/Brig and then did Loon after, things would have gone just fine since Loon isn't a BH boss anyways and so killing it sooner or later wouldn't have changed anything for those who needed it. It would've been one thing if you hadn't kicked them as well but seeing as you DID kick the OP character near the boss they needed... yeah that's just asking for them to kill it for themselves rather than waste time running the instance again.
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  • Toliman - Raging Tide
    Toliman - Raging Tide Posts: 1,595 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Father_gold - Sanctuary wrote: »
    ...
    kicking them is what was childish and overly demanding, as doing brig/linus first would not have put anyone else out of sorts, unless you needed the OP sin to kill loon.
    ...

    I think it was rude.

    I had never kicked anyone from the squad except of some special cases, when character was half of hour DC or we would like to re-squad, for example.

    It can be as an answer to rude player though.

    In any case this event not prove anything, until moment, when full message log can be read.

    P.S.
    On my PvE servers my bh squads were random or duo with my Cleric, since I never been in any faction there.
  • bloodedone87
    bloodedone87 Posts: 1,883 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Father_gold - Sanctuary wrote: »
    if it were about respect then it would have been going both ways. if some ppl didnt need a boss and had to go in a short amount of time. then everyone should have killed the other bosses then done loon after with those who needed it.

    kicking them is what was childish and overly demanding, as doing brig/linus first would not have put anyone else out of sorts, unless you needed the OP sin to kill loon.

    also no one really cares how much value you put in your time as it would be equal to what everyone else places upon their own time. i just found that response to be quite arrogant.

    if some ppl know they dont have enough time to finish a bh run( everyone helping everyone at all the bosses , not leaving after getting what they need) they shouldnt join the bh run.
    For exemple if you know you are have to go somewere after 10-15minutes dont join a bh run with random people. You never know how long the bh gonna last.
    It seemed here that the seeker was the one that started all here cause he wanted to hurry and he didnt wanna help at loon.
    I dont why the sin chosed to go and help the seeker. he should have stayed and help the others at loon.
    The OP was the one that made the squad . When the sin accepted to join the squad he accepted to help first the OP then the others. The seeker needs wasnt his first priority.
    Idk what the OP did in there beside kicking them from sqaud but the sin and seeker attitude werent good either.
    The seeker was in a rush mode( i hate this kind of ppl).
    The sin stealth and killed the boss to take vengance on the one that kicked him .
    OPKossy wrote: »
    Everyone's at fault.


    I'm somewhat more inclined to side with them though because sometimes RL happens and you don't have time to do everything. Had you guys just goe to Linus/Brig and then did Loon after, things would have gone just fine since Loon isn't a BH boss anyways and so killing it sooner or later wouldn't have changed anything for those who needed it. It would've been one thing if you hadn't kicked them as well but seeing as you DID kick the OP character near the boss they needed... yeah that's just asking for them to kill it for themselves rather than waste time running the instance again.

    Yes real life happens and you don't have time to do everything but if you know that you have to go somewhere in liek 10-15minutes you dont join a random bh party.
    And if something happened in RL that requires you to leave your house or do something in the next 10-15 minutes you dont rush the others to do what you need first.
    As long as you are not the one that make the squad using your teles to wc and form the party or you didnt wined the dungeon, as long as you are just a DD you have no right to rush them.
    Ofc you can ask them nice if they want to kill your boss first and they may accepted but if they dont accepted you have 2 choices:
    1 leave the squad and try other day to get your boss.
    2 stay with them and hope everything will be done fast .
    If you leave you dont lose anything as long as you didnt wined the bh or use teles to form the squad.
    To me it seemed that here the ''fault'' goes like this:
    1 seeker rushing everyone though he didnt have any right to do that.
    2 OP for kicking both sin and seeker from squad . he should have kicked only the seeker.
    3 the sin being immature and killing the boss just to take vengance.
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  • DionDagger - Dreamweaver
    DionDagger - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,140 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    bloodedone87 wrote: »
    if some ppl know they dont have enough time to finish a bh run( everyone helping everyone at all the bosses , not leaving after getting what they need) they shouldnt join the bh run.

    Who are you to say what people should and shouldnt do? If you don't need the person to complete the run, what is the big issue? Are you that fail that one missing person severely hampers a BH run?

    For exemple if you know you are have to go somewere after 10-15minutes dont join a bh run with random people. You never know how long the bh gonna last.

    10-15mins is more than enough time for an at level BH run, anything longer than that implies a bad, or undergeared squad.

    It seemed here that the seeker was the one that started all here cause he wanted to hurry and he didnt wanna help at loon.

    He had to leave and didn't need loon, why the **** would he help with something extra? It's not like they didn't complete loon anyway.

    I dont why the sin chosed to go and help the seeker. he should have stayed and help the others at loon.

    So someone is already helping you, yet you want them to do extra for you. That's some fked up logic.

    The OP was the one that made the squad . When the sin accepted to join the squad he accepted to help first the OP then the others. The seeker needs wasnt his first priority.

    No the priority is who ever they wanted to give priority to. You are messing with other people time. If he wanted to do loon then he could have simply waited.

    Idk what the OP did in there beside kicking them from sqaud but the sin and seeker attitude werent good either.

    Your attitude is trash mate. If I ran a BH squad with some lowbies and they kicked me i would have soloed the boss too. Why should i have to do 2 runs for an ******* that can't wait his turn?

    The seeker was in a rush mode( i hate this kind of ppl).

    Rush isn't a mode, it's something you do. And I hate people like you. Solo your own damn BH's if you don't wanna be considerate of other peoples time.

    The sin stealth and killed the boss to take vengance on the one that kicked him .
    And? He got what he deserved from what i am reading.



    Yes real life happens and you don't have time to do everything but if you know that you have to go somewhere in liek 10-15minutes you dont join a random bh party.

    A level 100+ helper, 10-15mins is more than enough.

    And if something happened in RL that requires you to leave your house or do something in the next 10-15 minutes you dont rush the others to do what you need first.

    Don't rush others to do an out of the way boss that they don't even need if they are in a push for time.

    As long as you are not the one that make the squad using your teles to wc and form the party or you didnt wined the dungeon, as long as you are just a DD you have no right to rush them.

    I have every right to make good use of my time. I have every right to do things in a manner that is best for me.

    Ofc you can ask them nice if they want to kill your boss first and they may accepted but if they dont accepted you have 2 choices:

    This goes against everything you have just said.

    1 leave the squad and try other day to get your boss.
    Hur Dur.

    2 stay with them and hope everything will be done fast .

    Hello? 10-15mins? And you just said that you don't like people that are in a rush, and they have no right to do it fast. Make up your damn mind dude.

    If you leave you dont lose anything as long as you didnt wined the bh or use teles to form the squad.

    You lose time. Moron.

    To me it seemed that here the ''fault'' goes like this:
    1 seeker rushing everyone though he didnt have any right to do that.
    Seeker has every right to do things in the time he is alloted. If you didn't like it you could have kicked him from the start. The seeker was there to help, not to be forced to go at a slow rate.
    2 OP for kicking both sin and seeker from squad . he should have kicked only the seeker.
    Seeker would have still soloed the boss for his time, aaaaaaand we are back to square one.
    3 the sin being immature and killing the boss just to take vengance. He soloed the boss for his time, call it vengence if you want. Why should he have to do 2 runs for the Op's incompetence?

    There is just so much stupid, in this post.

    And how is this a scam? Like really?
  • slowwetkiss
    slowwetkiss Posts: 34 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Toliman - Raging Tide wrote: »
    In any case this event not prove anything, until moment, when full message log can be read

    You can't get support staff, if you can call it "support," to look at chat logs on issues that are ToS involved. They certainly aren't going to look at them over a sandbagged BH lol
  • bloodedone87
    bloodedone87 Posts: 1,883 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    DionDagger - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    There is just so much stupid, in this post.

    And how is this a scam? Like really?

    1 The OP was the one that formed the sqaud.
    2 The others were invited to join the party or to help.
    3 We dont know about the contribution of all in the party. we just know the sin was rb1 with nice daggers so we assume that he was the tank and did almost everything by himself. And for this reason he didnt deserve to be kicked. But still the reason for him to solo boss alone was for his vengance.
    4 We dont know about seeker contribution in the party.He could have been the second tank or just a DD or just a follower.
    5 Bad comunication was the reason this happened. We dont know what they disscused in there or how they comunicate with eachother. We dont know if they decided from the start in what order to kill the bosses or while they were going to brig and linus the OP said he nedeed loon.
    6 I said stay with them and HOPE it will be done fast not to rush everything just cause someone needs to go somewhere.
    7Idk and Idc how you do your things in a bh run but i hate to be rushed. If I help ppl in a bh run or I am the one that formed the squad and a X person says to hurry cause he needs to go somewhere. I would just stop everything and say to him:
    '' if you have to go then go. I wont rush this just cause you have to leave and cannot play the game. Dont get me wrong I wont waste my time in here but I wont rush it either.I will do this with the same speed I am doing it now. Not slower or faster''

    I am not telling anyone what to do or not to do. Im just saying that if you need to go somewere in the next 10-15 minutes( its an exemple) dont join a random squad with ppl you know nothing about. ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN. the sqaud can be failure and die many times, ppl can DC and you have to wait for them to come back .... .
    Ofc seeker has the right to do everything in the time he is alowed. I dont think anyone was forcing him to go in a slow rate.But I dont think he had the right to rush them too.

    PLEASE STOP INSULTING ME.
    you have your opinion and I have mine. Its not needed to start insulting. You dont have to agree with me but dont insult me calling me ''moron'' or ''stupid'' .
    We are making this comments based on what OP described to us. We dont know what really happend in there but i believed that bad comunication was the reason for all thhis to happen.
    b:bye

    P.S i never said this is scamming.
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  • MagicSkry - Morai
    MagicSkry - Morai Posts: 23 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    If you can solo a bh you have right to skip what other ones need?
    If you can solo a bh you have right to just avoid the clear talk?
    If you can solo a bh you have right to leave after your needs completed?
    Do you think i cant do a bh for myself? If i must to do for myself, why i play MMO?
    What the hell you guys think about yourself? If people have right to do anything, can i just eat your food from your fridge or slap you, because i want to do that?
    This story is not about "he had right" or just do it after that (because loon is on the way to linus and brig, and take 1-2 min to kill it, not like an "i need glutt too" in bh59), this is about that people are selfish as hell, forgot that in an MMO game there are other PEOPLE, who want to play with eachother, and you must adapt for others! If you dont do this, the whole game will ruin! You should learn this in the kindergarten! We could do loon without the 2 ****, and i kicked them out when it was clear, that they will not help us. I want the old PWI back, where i could found nice peoples any time! And we played together!
  • Father_gold - Sanctuary
    Father_gold - Sanctuary Posts: 449 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    you know it is funny to hear people talk so highly of the "rights" of the squad leader.

    here i was thinking that loon was added to the BH targets but its not so doing loon has nothing to do with "bh79". in that case the leader was COMPLETELY wrong to make a big deal of those people not wanting to do loon, loon has nothing to do and if it was stated at the very beginning then there is not even a shred of logic to get mad at them.

    just because you formed the squad doesnt mean everyone else has to follow your word to the letter, that is so illogical i cant even..... i encounter this same type of unreasonable-ness in random FSP squads, the leaders who make being lead their argument often are the *******s who sidestep common decency in an MMO.

    this is why i solo every bh i can below 79 (i can do 79 too but i really dont like playing an mmo by myself), because ppl have the nerve to leech and be mad that the capable do not entertain their "need"

    those 2 that got kicked didnt deserve it from a power-tripping squad lead, and the squad lead got what he deserved, though the 3 other squad members are the only ones i feel bad for.
  • Takeva - Heavens Tear
    Takeva - Heavens Tear Posts: 359 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    OMG...

    Just blacklist and move on. No need to be so upset and let out your frustration on the forums over it. Stuff like this happens all the time, especially when you decide to play with strangers. You either get along, or you don't. The only advice I can give is for you to get over it.

    OH, and I'm seriously trying to figure out; why in the word do you think this is scamming? Did you pay the sin, in some way, to fight bosses? If not, then it's not a scam. They just stole a kill.
  • bloodedone87
    bloodedone87 Posts: 1,883 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Father_gold - Sanctuary wrote: »
    you know it is funny to hear people talk so highly of the "rights" of the squad leader.

    here i was thinking that loon was added to the BH targets but its not so doing loon has nothing to do with "bh79". in that case the leader was COMPLETELY wrong to make a big deal of those people not wanting to do loon, loon has nothing to do and if it was stated at the very beginning then there is not even a shred of logic to get mad at them.

    just because you formed the squad doesnt mean everyone else has to follow your word to the letter, that is so illogical i cant even..... i encounter this same type of unreasonable-ness in random FSP squads, the leaders who make being lead their argument often are the *******s who sidestep common decency in an MMO.

    this is why i solo every bh i can below 79 (i can do 79 too but i really dont like playing an mmo by myself), because ppl have the nerve to leech and be mad that the capable do not entertain their "need"

    those 2 that got kicked didnt deserve it from a power-tripping squad lead, and the squad lead got what he deserved, though the 3 other squad members are the only ones i feel bad for.

    OFC you dont have to obey the sqaud leader but the squad leader has the priority to be helped first.
    If you are just a DD he was nice to invite you in the squad so you can do your bh too .
    If you are the tank in there or lets say a person that doesnt need but is able to solo the bh you went to help the leader first cause he is the one you pm saying you gonna help.

    Loon is nedeed to be killed for the new dailies that have been aded in instances for mats for quicksand gear so ppl should start getting use that loon will be part of a bh sometimes.

    But if ppl dont want think like this to happen:
    1 ask from the start what bosses each player needs and in what order you will do them.
    Comunication is important. I ve been in alot of bh79 where we killed styg for no reason. no one needed him but no one told that. Sometimes after killing styg in situations were not all ppl didnt tell from start what bosses they need him i asjed:
    ''did anyone need styg''?
    no
    not me
    i didnt
    Then why the hell we wasted our time with him?
    2 if you are a player that dont have enough time for the bh and needs thing done fast tell them from the start what bosses you need and if its posible them first.
    Dont be like when the sqaud is 10mobs away from styg: Can we kill brig first?
    3 if something happens during the run and you have to leave in 2-3 minutes just leave. Dont rush the sqaud , dont go by your own to the other boss while the sqaud is going to another.
    Yes its true that you wasted time in there but its not the sqaud fault that life is a *****. it sucks but you can get your bh other time.your life wont end cause you didnt get the bh at that time. If you have more than 2-3 minutes go to help your sqaud members with the boss the majority decided to do first then hope you hav eenough time to get your boss too.

    4 DONT JOIN A RANDOM SQUAD IF YOU DONT HAVE TIME TO PLAY. you never know what can happen. ( 2 is for the time when you took the risk to join it). BH runs can take between 10minutes-1 hour or even more. Not all ppl are pro or smart.
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  • Sylvae - Sanctuary
    Sylvae - Sanctuary Posts: 1,018 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    The weird thing is how closely this mirror my 79 culti run, which is making me think this is just BR thinking.

    Had same set up, OP sin with daggers, seeker, foreign dude leading, and two others. They were going for their BH, and for fun to test my SB I asked if I could join, letting them know I was only 8X. Leader invited and said when some of us were already inside the instance that they needed all bosses in there for the other quests. I had a few of them, but had kicked the Loon one earlier to make room for the BH stack. I wasn't worried about it, and went with it.

    So we start clearing and I notice my SB is taking agro way too frequently, when everyone else was 95+. I pillbabied some other alts, so I knew the gear was at least decent. Started checking the gear, and most had pillbaby gear except for the sin, who was wielding some high powered daggers. Watched him attack, and it was clear cluelessness and lvl 1 skills were at fault.

    Because he'd do one skill, and then stand there. Didn't have proper distance for melee attack follow-ons, since he'd use a skill that had a range on it greater than dagger length. He also was somehow doing less damage than my 81 SB with a TT70 weapon, which shouldn't have been happening. Also had no clue how to even do the bosses, so I ended up tanking at various points on boss fights.

    Luckily we had a cleric, who's IB would heal for 100 or so at a time. So lvl 1 skill pillbaby. After stygian and hooli, I already resolved to hang back and let someone else tank and take the damage, as I was sick of charm tanking and already wishing I had just gone ahead and duoed with my main as I had planned. Though it was fun watching the sin get beat up, instead of me when I held back a heck of a lot.

    That might have been part of it though, because he likely noticed the utter **** healing our supposed healer was doing. So when we got the loon he wanted no part and was following the seeker to go for brigand. Which didn't make much sense, since seeker had to fight through. Leader was complaining and demanding they come kill loon, kicked them when they wouldn't come back.

    Sin ended up making it to boss, and honestly I was cheering them on in my head. When the leader found out the boss was killed, he threw a hissy fit and didn't want to even kill loon, because the whole run was "ruined." He ends up quitting the instance, which was fine by me since he other two left in the group were at least sane. One of the others and I were even making fun of the leader in PMs, because his behavior was appalling, childish, and completely ignorant of the actual situation.

    So my BM came in, killed loon, and then killed Linus. So the run ended up working out for me, since my SB only needed Linus on the culti and didn't have a BH for it.

    Thing is, I never would have brought my BM in if that leader hadn't have left. They were a demanding *****, had 0 skill (both personal knowledge, and in the fact their actual character's skills were lvl 1 it seemed), didn't offer anything to the table, threw a fit like a child, and ended up rage quitting when something bad happened resulting from their own actions.

    It's actually pretty freaky how similar the OP's account is to what I personally experienced, and actually had me wondering if it was actually Sanc's server. But this happened a few days before X3 xp event came on, and some differences (seeker was already heading off, wasn't minutes of discussion, bosses discussed even though only BH was advertised and bosses mentioned only after everyone else was in, etc.) But the attitude and general theme is almost a complete match.

    And this was during the wave of BR that came up, which really makes me wonder how much is just an issue of a server culture that drives people away, trying to come up here. Again, technically I was getting screwed over in that whole thing more than the leader, because he didn't do ****. All he did was form it, drive away the only person in the group who could have tanked and not made me agro magent, and be a demanding **** the whole time.

    So there's no way you're going to ignore all kinds of little details, during a pillbaby epidemic, and make it seem forming a group that does all the work, is more important than the everyone who actually does the work and is useful. And just because the others in the group didn't speak out, and likely under similar tantrum threats of being kicked if they have a problem with it, doesn't mean they were on your side. Because **** that useless cleric and their friend, for the terrible group I was in. It did make sure I always solo ran BH79, and get Raptorbone as a bonus to the xp each run.
  • DionDagger - Dreamweaver
    DionDagger - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,140 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    MagicSkry - Morai wrote: »
    If you can solo a bh you have right to skip what other ones need?No, if you are soloing, you have the right to choose in which order you do things, especially if you are doing all the heavy lifting.

    If you can solo a bh you have right to just avoid the clear talk?This question makes no sense. English please.

    If you can solo a bh you have right to leave after your needs completed?You have the right to leave when ever you feel like it. No one can stop you. Whether you should exercise said right is the real question. I put my needs before that of random strangers, I'm pretty sure you do to. Or do you give your rent money to hobos on the street?

    Do you think i cant do a bh for myself?If you could then you wouldn't be on the forums complaing now would you?

    If i must to do for myself, why i play MMO?It's called being self sufficient. It's like expecting others to farm your r9, rep and g16 for you.

    What the hell you guys think about yourself? That i can do as i see fit, and there is nothing you can do to stop it, except maybe kill me, or get me imprisoned somehow.

    If people have right to do anything, can i just eat your food from your fridge or slap you, because i want to do that?I don't impose my rights onto other people.

    This story is not about "he had right" or just do it after that (because loon is on the way to linus and brig, and take 1-2 min to kill it, not like an "i need glutt too" in bh59), this is about that people are selfish as hell, forgot that in an MMO game there are other PEOPLE, who want to play with eachother, and you must adapt for others!
    I can be as selfish as I like, and there is nothing you, nor anyone can do about it. The same can be said for this seeker. Stop expecting people to bend over to your every whym just because you are a self important cry baby. This is an MMO, not a social experiment. I can play how I see fit, and so can you. The difference is I don't go around telling you how to play inside the game now do I? No one has to adapt for you, get over yourself. Not only are you whiny, but you are a hypocrite as well.

    If you dont do this, the whole game will ruin! Says who? Give me facts to back up this dumb claim you just made...Oh right, you don't have any.

    You should learn this in the kindergarten! We also learned that pluto was a planet and Christopher Columbus discovered north america in kidergarten, both false.

    We could do loon without the 2 ****, Then what is the big issue?

    and i kicked them out when it was clear, that they will not help us. Nah you just wanted them to help you how you wanted to help. Reality don't work like that.

    I want the old PWI back, where i could found nice peoples any time! And we played together!

    Yea the OLD PWI, where clerics were coddled, barbs got first pick in TT, APS was rampant, and people actually sided with the lines of bull you just spewed. There is only so much stupid someone can say before I write them off completely. You have filled that quota, single handedly.

    My suggestion: Find a new game that doesn't involve other people if you can handle your needs not being put first.

    GG.

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