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ReMakaBo - Archosaur

Currently there is no class balance anyway.

We on occasions would all dumb down too lvl 40 gears. They would make me (as a seeker) dumb down my weapon and rings even further, because one skill would still one shot the entire group of people.b:laugh

Zanryu - Lothranis

Zsw - Dreamweaver wrote: »

This is exactly what I'm talking about. People don't care to find out who is more skilled, as long as they got gear. This is why I can kill people with +12 JoSD using only +7-10 flawless citrine. This is why PvP is sad; people just don't bother.

And yet, I've seen it done beautifully on Swordsman. Where there are people who's actually good at the game because they practice in the arena that balances gear difference. Put it on PWI and let people realize the truth.

You do realize that having a +7-10 that can kill a +12 with Jades is EXACTLY what is meant when we say there's no balance? When a +7-10 can kill a +12 under any circumstance that proves there's no balance. Just saying.

Zsw - Dreamweaver

Zanryu - Lothranis wrote: »

You do realize that having a +7-10 that can kill a +12 with Jades is EXACTLY what is meant when we say there's no balance? When a +7-10 can kill a +12 under any circumstance that proves there's no balance. Just saying.

Or maybe it proves that you're not as good as you think you are, and there's more skill involved than you originally thought?

Or maybe archers are OP cause my +3 archer killed a +10 wizard?
Or maybe wizards are OP cause r8 wizards can kill r9 Bms?
Or maybe Barbs are OP cause partial R9 barbs beats full R9 psys?
Or maybe BMs are OP because DPH Bms lost to APS BMs?

Please be real here.

Zanryu - Lothranis

Zsw - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Or maybe it proves that you're not as good as you think you are, and there's more skill involved than you originally thought?

Or maybe archers are OP cause my +3 archer killed a +10 wizard?
Or maybe wizards are OP cause r8 wizards can kill r9 Bms?
Or maybe Barbs are OP cause partial R9 barbs beats full R9 psys?
Or maybe BMs are OP because DPH Bms lost to APS BMs?

Please be real here.

Kek

u wot m8


I'm fully aware of the skill it takes to beat someone higher geared than you, I've beaten plenty of higher geared people myself because I could outplay them. The thing is, the gear difference you suggest is, for lack of a better phrase, just plain stupid.

1) A +3 Archer killed a +10 Wizard? Alrighty, with what gear yo? Under what circumstances yo
2) I've played this exact scenario, before Primal when spark combo was at its worst. I could damn near afk tank with +5 R9 vs +10 R8. Even with a decently refined Cleric involved I could 2v1 and win more than 2/3 of the matches.
3)Barbs are pretty redonk, especially those strength builds. Insane HP and decent damage mean they can last a fairly long time, and when it becomes a war of attrition it's pretty much always in their favor.
4) This one makes no sense, it's the same class. If anything you'd be arguing the build is OP, not the class. Either way, APS was already becoming obsolete when Morai rolled around. Once we got Nation Wars it was the final nail in the coffin.

I'm not really the person to come to with "skill matters" nonsense, because I played that game. I was always undergeared against the opponents I fought and could still come out on top. However, there are some things that are plain redonk, and taking out a +12 JosD with +7-10 refines? Okay, let's see it yo.


also talking up another PWE game while we discuss how unbalanced this one is? toppest kek

Zsw - Dreamweaver

Zanryu - Lothranis wrote: »

Kek

u wot m8


I'm fully aware of the skill it takes to beat someone higher geared than you, I've beaten plenty of higher geared people myself because I could outplay them. The thing is, the gear difference you suggest is, for lack of a better phrase, just plain stupid.

lel like I said, go out and see the world more.

1) A +3 Archer killed a +10 Wizard? Alrighty, with what gear yo? Under what circumstances yo

With tt gears yo. 1v1 of course. This was before we had r9 yo.

2) I've played this exact scenario, before Primal when spark combo was at its worst. I could damn near afk tank with +5 R9 vs +10 R8. Even with a decently refined Cleric involved I could 2v1 and win more than 2/3 of the matches.


I guess you must be best bm

http://youtu.be/vZQDjqBlQvc?t=2m39s

As a bonus, r8 wiz kills r9 sin: http://youtu.be/vZQDjqBlQvc?t=50s cause sins are so OP right?

3)Barbs are pretty redonk, especially those strength builds. Insane HP and decent damage mean they can last a fairly long time, and when it becomes a war of attrition it's pretty much always in their favor.

So if barbs are OP too, then why do you focus so much of your complains on sins rather than barbs?


4) This one makes no sense, it's the same class. If anything you'd be arguing the build is OP, not the class. Either way, APS was already becoming obsolete when Morai rolled around. Once we got Nation Wars it was the final nail in the coffin.

I'm sure this joke isn't lost on you.

I'm not really the person to come to with "skill matters" nonsense, because I played that game. I was always undergeared against the opponents I fought and could still come out on top. However, there are some things that are plain redonk, and taking out a +12 JosD with +7-10 refines? Okay, let's see it yo.

What did you want to see again?
http://youtu.be/6GNd-kjDoE4?t=8m27s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmNgD6A7EWM


also talking up another PWE game while we discuss how unbalanced this one is? toppest kek

Cause giving suggestions about how a game feature from Swordsman can be added to PWI totally invalidates what I have to say, right?

toppest lel

tsyfall

GG? Explain imo

Zanryu - Lothranis

Zsw - Dreamweaver wrote: »

toppest lel

U wot m8

Alrighty then.

Yeah buddy, best BM 2014

Kek. 16k through fullbuffs? Yeah there's not something broken there.

Because Assassins have an easy matchup in pretty much any fight other than Barbarians, while Barbarians aren't as likely to get a kill due to the insane damage output and passive status resistance of Assassins.

It isn't, but as I recall the server was lagtastical. When it affected me I was making excuses, but when it affected him it was lag. Legit.

Kek. I could have sworn I put non-sin in there, but I guess I didn't. Oh well.

No, it's just humorous.



Every single one of those clips are old, and feature classes that at that time had access to combos that were pretty much no-brain auto wins. Spark combo? Simply being an Assassin? You're gonna have to come up with something better than that dude.

DEMHEALSMAN - Dreamweaver

Zsw - Dreamweaver wrote: »

toppest lel

>Videos of more than a year ago
>FayHumming being the wizard

There's your problem.

>Other video sin vs sin
>Goredawn

There's your problem.

Those 2 are about the most terrible of examples you could've used to prove your point. Especially when you are so MUH SKILLS based. They have none.

Besides the point that
>Outdated content which no longer applies at all at this current day and age.

Zsw - Dreamweaver

Zanryu - Lothranis wrote: »

U wot m8

Alrighty then.

Yeah buddy, best BM 2014

Glad you agree

Kek. 16k through fullbuffs? Yeah there's not something broken there.

u wot m8. No one did 16k in either of the wizard fights.

Because Assassins have an easy matchup in pretty much any fight other than Barbarians, while Barbarians aren't as likely to get a kill due to the insane damage output and passive status resistance of Assassins.

So you're saying sins have a hard time vs barbs but barbs have a hard time vs sins? U w0t m8

It isn't, but as I recall the server was lagtastical. When it affected me I was making excuses, but when it affected him it was lag. Legit.

Right, so the person with the fastest download speed is the only person that lags. Seems very legit. At worst, you both lagged so it's not like you were disadvantaged.

Kek. I could have sworn I put non-sin in there, but I guess I didn't. Oh well.

No, it's just humorous.



Every single one of those clips are old, and feature classes that at that time had access to combos that were pretty much no-brain auto wins. Spark combo? Simply being an Assassin? You're gonna have to come up with something better than that dude.

Except they still do have the combos? Or have you been playing a different game lmfao. So wait wait wait, sins barbs and wizards are all "OP easy mode classes" then? Might as well just go ahead and claim every class except BMs are OP then.

I am amazed lmafo.

DEMHEALSMAN - Dreamweaver wrote: »

>Videos of more than a year ago
>FayHumming being the wizard

There's your problem.

>Other video sin vs sin
>Goredawn

There's your problem.

Those 2 are about the most terrible of examples you could've used to prove your point. Especially when you are so MUH SKILLS based. They have none.

Besides the point that
>Outdated content which no longer applies at all at this current day and age.

Uhh, there's no problems with these two videos. In fact, they support my arguments perfectly. Do you even pay attention to my arguments or do you just talk to yourself here?

DEMHEALSMAN - Dreamweaver

Zsw - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I am amazed lmafo.



Uhh, there's no problems with these two videos. In fact, they support my arguments perfectly. Do you even pay attention to my arguments or do you just talk to yourself here?

>Using horribly outdated videos
>Proving your arguments for current day status with them

Yeah, ok. Next time show and prove your arguments with a video against enemies that actually require skill (you are so MUH SKILLS biased no?) to take down due to a geargap rather than (at that time) overly predictable opponents in which a geargap is pretty much irrelevant and skill is next to no requirement.

Besides the videos being outdated and nonfactor to this day at current expansions, skills and passives.

Anyway it's derailing the thread again, might wanna stop before big bad kossy comes to crack a whip.

Zsw - Dreamweaver

DEMHEALSMAN - Dreamweaver wrote: »

>Using horribly outdated videos
>Proving your arguments for current day status with them

Yeah, ok. Next time show and prove your arguments with a video against enemies that actually require skill (you are so MUH SKILLS biased no?) to take down due to a geargap rather than (at that time) overly predictable opponents in which a geargap is pretty much irrelevant and skill is next to no requirement.

Besides the videos being outdated and nonfactor to this day at current expansions, skills and passives.

Anyway it's derailing the thread again, might wanna stop before big bad kossy comes to crack a whip.

You don't even know what you're arguing against. Nothing you just said is even relevant to my original point.

Here let me tell you: My arguments is that people suck at PvP because they don't bother to get good as long as they have gears. My videos prove EXACTLY that, and will be valid until PWI implement an arena that can equalize gears.

DEMHEALSMAN - Dreamweaver

Zsw - Dreamweaver wrote: »

You don't even know what you're arguing against. Nothing you just said is even relevant to my original point.

Here let me tell you: My arguments is that people suck at PvP because they don't bother to get good as long as they have gears. My videos prove EXACTLY that, and will be valid until PWI implement an arena that can equalize gears.

Well ok, then I stand corrected, it proves that, I was going on about the skilled part.

As regards to PvP, let me find that post I made a while back...
Ah, there it is

You can't get good (specially on a PvE server) if people react to PK like that.
I stand with what I said in that post, I shouldn't have to ask nicely for a 1v1 if someone is whitenamed.
But if you play like that they will inevitably take it to a WC drama in the end.

I'm not against the idea of an arena with equalized gears, but if you play PWI for PvP (which it was originally intended for, right?) that would sort of remove the entire point of gearing up at all, you could just bumrush to level 100 and then move to the arena as you please to challenge others and train there, in equal gears.

What is the point of gearing up in that case, if you're not allowed to use it in the end?
Well, in open world pvp you could, but the pvp would just move to the arena because that's where people have equal gears and can get there with no effort with regard to gear upgrading...
And it's not like any aspect of PvE requires it either, sadly.

Eoria - Harshlands

DEMHEALSMAN - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I'm not against the idea of an arena with equalized gears, but if you play PWI for PvP (which it was originally intended for, right?) that would sort of remove the entire point of gearing up at all, you could just bumrush to level 100 and then move to the arena as you please to challenge others and train there, in equal gears.

What is the point of gearing up in that case, if you're not allowed to use it in the end?
Well, in open world pvp you could, but the pvp would just move to the arena because that's where people have equal gears and can get there with no effort with regard to gear upgrading...
And it's not like any aspect of PvE requires it either, sadly.

The original arena was disabled because people would just go there to pvp without using dolls. I highly doubt they'll implement an equalized gear arena without it being a timed event that occurs at 8pm.

Jarkhen - Archosaur

The amount of complaints this game gets about gear giving people an advantage is actually kind of hilarious. It's a damn MMORPG, the genre is based on on character progression and accomplishment.

DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver

Jarkhen - Archosaur wrote: »

The amount of complaints this game gets about gear giving people an advantage is actually kind of hilarious. It's a damn MMORPG, the genre is based on on character progression and accomplishment.

^ If you don't like it play a MBO or w/e they're called or Tekken lol

Zsw - Dreamweaver

DEMHEALSMAN - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Well ok, then I stand corrected, it proves that, I was going on about the skilled part.

As regards to PvP, let me find that post I made a while back...
Ah, there it is

You can't get good (specially on a PvE server) if people react to PK like that.
I stand with what I said in that post, I shouldn't have to ask nicely for a 1v1 if someone is whitenamed.
But if you play like that they will inevitably take it to a WC drama in the end.

Well, that's kind of a different issue when people just don't want to pk regardless of what gears they have. They are what people used to refer to as "Carebears". Don't hear that much nowadays though.

What I do is: if you want a 1v1, you should ask. If you just want to pk, then by all means go and attack, but anyone on my side is free to join in and hit you too. Once you die, I expect you to get help and counter retaliate... but that almost never happens here. Only happened about twice on Dreamweaver, once vs Dynasty and once vs Tempest.

I was thinking more of strictly 1v1 scenario in my original post though. When it comes to mass pk, the cards are played differently.

DEMHEALSMAN - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I'm not against the idea of an arena with equalized gears, but if you play PWI for PvP (which it was originally intended for, right?) that would sort of remove the entire point of gearing up at all, you could just bumrush to level 100 and then move to the arena as you please to challenge others and train there, in equal gears.

What is the point of gearing up in that case, if you're not allowed to use it in the end?
Well, in open world pvp you could, but the pvp would just move to the arena because that's where people have equal gears and can get there with no effort with regard to gear upgrading...
And it's not like any aspect of PvE requires it either, sadly.

Well yes, it would be entirely open world pvp, tw, nw, and rw(?). I don't request nor would I expect anyone to gear down in open world. Cause in open world, no matter how much money you spent you can still die to well coordinated focus fire. Mass pk is more about teamwork rather than individual fights.

Mass pk plays differently because of that; since in 1v1, you got to be really clueless to die to someone who's gears are noticeably worse. Afterall, what's the point of 1v1ing with gear advantage? To show how much PvE you done/cash you spent? The main issue that I was addressing is that, most people don't bother honing their skills once they have good gears. Sure, they can still kill alot of people in mass but, they won't be as efficient as they could be if they don't practice with their class.

Also, I was thinking more of an arena exclusively for 1v1, so you can't just bring open world pk into the arena.

Jarkhen - Archosaur wrote: »

The amount of complaints this game gets about gear giving people an advantage is actually kind of hilarious. It's a damn MMORPG, the genre is based on on character progression and accomplishment.

Character progression in this game is exclusively PvE. They have been adding in more PvP content such as NW and RW (which is good) but for the most part, it is exclusively PvE. What role should PvE content have to play in 1v1s? None.

ReMakaBo - Archosaur

Arena would be a ghost town- Is on SMO too, just a handful that only enjoys that aspect of the game.