APS Barb capability example

Joe - Morai

Here goes:

This revolves around farming only.

Normal Run:

Watch

Special challenge run:

Watch too

Note: The second link leads to a video containing another TT3-3 run. But this time I was completely unbuffed (not even self buffed) and didn't use HP-Charms and as you can see only used marginal Pots & Apo. I made this video to show people (that think APS-Barbs are useless and stupid) that APS-Barbs are the onloy class capable of doing what I did shown in this video. Ofc clerics and mystics could handle this as well with decent gears but in no where near the time it took my built.

The first run was done in about 26 minutes and the second "special" run took ~30 minutes. All videos are displayed in increased speed by factor 2.5.

PS: I would be very happy if someone could upload a video proving me wrong. But I honestly doubt that it is possible for any other class at this speed. No hate. That was just an experiment.

peckked

Is this 2x or 4x speed?

WannaBM - Archosaur

peckked wrote: »

Is this 2x or 4x speed?

Its standard speed, thats how fast barbs are b:cool

peckked

Lol... looks like 3x speed just watching mire's cd. So 31min run... Not bad at all

Joe - Morai

peckked wrote: »

Lol... looks like 3x speed just watching mire's cd. So 31min run... Not bad at all

The speed is exactly 2.5x times the original.

And to put it up a notch I made another run under...well special circumstances^^

watch

Zanryu - Lothranis

Clicked the link. Watched for 6 seconds. The music is terribly slow paced and boring, I'd rather listen to the actual TT music than that. Start using music that can actually keep people engaged and not make them want to go to sleep, especially if you're posting a PvE video b:surrender


Also, dude, go watch some guy on guy or something, you need to kill that diamond shattering hard on you have for barbs. Nobody is as against Barbarians as you seem to think everyone is. There's nothing to prove, we all know they're good. They've become one of the most broken in game classes. Silence my child.

Joe - Morai

Zanryu - Lothranis wrote: »

Clicked the link. Watched for 6 seconds. The music is terribly slow paced and boring, I'd rather listen to the actual TT music than that. Start using music that can actually keep people engaged and not make them want to go to sleep, especially if you're posting a PvE video b:surrender


Also, dude, go watch some guy on guy or something, you need to kill that diamond shattering hard on you have for barbs. Nobody is as against Barbarians as you seem to think everyone is. There's nothing to prove, we all know they're good. They've become the most broken in game class. Silence my child.

I agree on everything, cept for the one marked in red. b:laugh

DionDagger - Dreamweaver

Joe - Morai wrote: »

I agree on everything, cept for the one marked in red. b:laugh

Would 'one of' be more appropiate?

Zanryu - Lothranis

Joe - Morai wrote: »

I agree on everything, cept for the one marked in red. b:laugh

...Then shutup with your Barbarian propaganda already. Jeez.

WannaBM - Archosaur

Is it coincidence that this fellow APS barb absolutely loves the music with that vid ? b:laugh

Joe - Morai

WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »

Is it coincidence that this fellow APS barb absolutely loves the music with that vid ? b:laugh

Sonic games and especially Sonic OST FTW, ijs. b:laugh

overcomem

b:thanks solo flow silver place please.. or go open warsong and solo badge farming on boss please.. That TT looks so boring. Old age.

Joe - Morai

overcomem wrote: »

b:thanks solo flow silver place please.. or go open warsong and solo badge farming on boss please.. That TT looks so boring. Old age.

I could easily duo both with a twink of mine. Especially fsp is a major pain (frog boss) if you do it alone. Axes will most likely despawn if you get stunned and Barbs don't really have that much to anti-stun all the time. It's possible sure, but I would need to built a decent genie especially for that purpose. With a twink (especially with a seeker) it is just a peace of cake for a barb, although blossom can still be tricky.

Warsong is pretty much the same. With a genie especially made for it I can kill all bosses alone as well. Remember. Barbs always have the Cornered Beast skill if stuff fails. Besides, If I take (for example my sin) in warsong with me then it's a piece of cake again. Unfortunatly, I don't have the time currently to record a video or to roll a genie like that. Maybe in the future.

lythraos

If we really want to talk capacity: soloing world bosses while still retaining 25k HP in tiger form (yes, I cant afford +10 orbs and vit stones :<)

WannaBM - Archosaur

overcomem wrote: »

b:thanks solo flow silver place please.. or go open warsong and solo badge farming on boss please.. That TT looks so boring. Old age.

Warsong is pretty easy. I can solo pull and kill the pavs even when its undefended and theres double mobs. The downside is, it requires IG at the end of the pull cuz they do so much stuff like bubble, pushback, throw in the air etc. And water needs 2 or 3 pulls, so need to wait 3 mins between pulls for cooldown

Warsong bosses are uber easy i would think. 4 of them at least. Water might be a pain if he almost perma bubbles you. What genie specialities you talking about joe ?

What do you mean about warsong bosses in tiger form lythraos ? APSing them is extremely easy, they arent really any more challenging than 3-3 bosses. Dont imagine soloing them in tiger form though

Joe - Morai

WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »

Warsong is pretty easy. I can solo pull and kill the pavs even when its undefended and theres double mobs. The downside is, it requires IG at the end of the pull cuz they do so much stuff like bubble, pushback, throw in the air etc. And water needs 2 or 3 pulls, so need to wait 3 mins between pulls for cooldown

Warsong bosses are uber easy i would think. 4 of them at least. Water might be a pain if he almost perma bubbles you. What genie specialities you talking about joe ?

What do you mean about warsong bosses in tiger form lythraos ? APSing them is extremely easy, they arent really any more challenging than 3-3 bosses. Dont imagine soloing them in tiger form though

I kinda have been talking about a max vit/mag genie to spam AD/Faith, Badge of Courage/Fortify and the such to survive the 1-shots from the bosses in warsong if you just spawn-kill them. Same goes for FSP. Nothing special tho.

WannaBM - Archosaur

Joe - Morai wrote: »

I kinda have been talking about a max vit/mag genie to spam AD/Faith, Badge of Courage/Fortify and the such to survive the 1-shots from the bosses in warsong if you just spawn-kill them. Same goes for FSP. Nothing special tho.

Killing them solo would take i estimate 3 sparks. You seriously survive that long vs mobless boss ?b:shocked

Joe - Morai

WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »

Killing them solo would take i estimate 3 sparks. You seriously survive that long vs mobless boss ?b:shocked

Like I said...with the right genie and extreme causion...yes xD a tiny mistake and you're done with...but meh...works most of the time I guess.

WannaBM - Archosaur

Can you explain that in more detail ?
Cuz i really dont understand how all those anti-stun skills are going to protect against those 1-shots except for letting you IG which lasts only 1 spark when chained on AD.

I assume fait works similar to AD in this aspect as the 1-shot is some kind of DOT type attack ?

But what are badge of courage and fortify good for ? (or is it that you are talking about toad while i am talking about warsong ? )

Joe - Morai

WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »

Can you explain that in more detail ?
Cuz i really dont understand how all those anti-stun skills are going to protect against those 1-shots except for letting you IG which lasts only 1 spark when chained on AD.

I assume fait works similar to AD in this aspect as the 1-shot is some kind of DOT type attack ?

But what are badge of courage and fortify good for ? (or is it that you are talking about toad while i am talking about warsong ? )

The antistuns are mostly for toad yes xDDD And yes faith protects you against those 1-shots as well, altho I admit that I havn't tried it in WS specifically...I tried it in TT but since those are kinda the same...ya figures.

As for the WS bosses it's really mostly about timing...and ofc a bit of luck as well...I won't claim that I would always run those bosses solo...they are not worth the risk/effort...but its doable.

xxxxjayxxxx

gotta be said, im very impressed. I dont suppose you have a pw calc of those gears your using i could take a peak at?

Joe - Morai

xxxxjayxxxx wrote: »

gotta be said, im very impressed. I dont suppose you have a pw calc of those gears your using i could take a peak at?

Nope, but pwcalc isn't the best anymore. Let's just say I got some stuffs at +11 and cept for the tome/cape/helm (which are g16 and a pan gu) all NW gears.

I can provide you with stats tho:

Stats

xxxxjayxxxx

Joe - Morai wrote: »

Nope, but pwcalc isn't the best anymore. Let's just say I got some stuffs at +11 and cept for the tome/cape/helm (which are g16 and a pan gu) all NW gears.

I can provide you with stats tho:

Stats

Is that pure str build or str/vit because thats alot of vit b:chuckle

WannaBM - Archosaur

xxxxjayxxxx wrote: »

Is that pure str build or str/vit because thats alot of vit b:chuckle

Its even more str though

I assume 220-240 vit comes from vit stones and the rest from other gear stats.

Looks nice. Im a bout 90str and 200 vit short of those stats
The 90str i assume comes from being 105-105-105 which i was too lazy to do. (104-103-102) and maybe an emperor tome.

Your attack and defence levels are also a bunch better. I think i have 130/35 with jones 115/50 (not home, not sure) with o malleys. Wherefrom comes so much more if you too wear G16 cape and helm. ? G16 amulet and recasted star destiny could count for some, but not that much...

xxxxjayxxxx

WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »

Its even more str though

I assume 220-240 vit comes from vit stones and the rest from other gear stats.

Looks nice. Im a bout 90str and 200 vit short of those stats
The 90str i assume comes from being 105-105-105 which i was too lazy to do. (104-103-102) and maybe an emperor tome.

Your attack and defence levels are also a bunch better. I think i have 130/35 with jones 115/50 (not home, not sure) with o malleys. Wherefrom comes so much more if you too wear G16 cape and helm. ? G16 amulet and recasted star destiny could count for some, but not that much...

my aps barb is pants in comparison xD 4aps t3/tt99 mix with +10 t3 claws, got 9800 ish hp in human unbuffed, 450 str give or take 5 points xD b:chuckle i want the r9rr/r8r combo so bad

Holy cow Joe has alot of accuracy xD

Joe - Morai

xxxxjayxxxx wrote: »

Is that pure str build or str/vit because thats alot of vit b:chuckle

200 Dex, rest is pure STR. Basic vit.

WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »

Its even more str though

I assume 220-240 vit comes from vit stones and the rest from other gear stats.

Looks nice. Im a bout 90str and 200 vit short of those stats
The 90str i assume comes from being 105-105-105 which i was too lazy to do. (104-103-102) and maybe an emperor tome.

Your attack and defence levels are also a bunch better. I think i have 130/35 with jones 115/50 (not home, not sure) with o malleys. Wherefrom comes so much more if you too wear G16 cape and helm. ? G16 amulet and recasted star destiny could count for some, but not that much...

Ya the triple 105 takes the cake in terms of stats. During that time I only had a pan Gu tome. Currently building my Emperor...after buying a SoT for 2b coins which totally wrecked my pocket xDDD And dunno...that screen was with full r9 to say that. For Aps I would remove my G16 cape and exchange it with a g12 Lunar cape and my double -int r8r Chest...so I would lose 30 Attack lvl and 40 vit and the stats on the chest/robe itself. Am at 40k HP in tiger with aps gear tho.

xxxxjayxxxx wrote: »

my aps barb is pants in comparison xD 4aps t3/tt99 mix with +10 t3 claws, got 9800 ish hp in human unbuffed, 450 str give or take 5 points xD b:chuckle i want the r9rr/r8r combo so bad

Holy cow Joe has alot of accuracy xD

Accu gems in weapon and in BloodBath as you can see @my buff bar. And hey...I remember a few years ago I was in your gears as well. I farmed it all and went through all stages of APS and it was fun watching my barb evolve.


Oh here, I found an old pwcalc I made with being in possession of the emp tome alrdy but with slightly worse cards then I have currently...but doesn't matter that much.

So here goes...after finishing my tome I will be like this (Note: I added the stats for nuema, meridian and cards manually ofc + am self buffed in Tiger Form...although I guess a have slightly too much pdef added...but oh well, pwcalc doesn't scale that well with the def passives %. the mag def is ok, but the pdef is off. Look at the screenshot tho^^)

PWI CALC JOE Full r9
PWI CALC JOE APS Gear + Claws

The stats on the gear itself are authentic.

xxxxjayxxxx

cheers for the calcs joe, now i have something to actually aim for b:laugh nice r8 chest roll btw

DEMHEALSMAN - Dreamweaver

Joe - Morai wrote: »

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PWI CALC JOE Full r9
PWI CALC JOE APS Gear + Claws

The stats on the gear itself are authentic.

>Claws
>Tiger form

Well, there's something that's not going to work, unless that glitch still works though I thought that was fixed.

This isn't going to win over a sin in terms of farming speed capability, you have your run speed, sins have the capability to skip parts by jumping in the right places.

You never said sins can't use their tricks to make a run fast b:pleased

WannaBM - Archosaur

xxxxjayxxxx wrote: »

cheers for the calcs joe, now i have something to actually aim for b:laugh nice r8 chest roll btw

It will however be much easier to obtain double int fist/claws. Rolling for double int yourself is b:shocked b:surrender Double int weapons can be bought for 300-350m or so.

WannaBM - Archosaur

DEMHEALSMAN - Dreamweaver wrote: »

>Claws
>Tiger form

Well, there's something that's not going to work, unless that glitch still works though I thought that was fixed.

This isn't going to win over a sin in terms of farming speed capability, you have your run speed, sins have the capability to skip parts by jumping in the right places.

You never said sins can't use their tricks to make a run fast b:pleased

It much depends on the sin.

The mobs are not an issue, you can run trough them (going to steelation for example) and they will all reset. Those that dont reset can be ignored while fighting against most bosses. In fact they help maxing your blood rush asap. The mobs that need to be killed for kill count will generally be killed much faster by a barb. You can see in Joes vid how he does that, aoe 1 shotting 15 of them at once.

So its just about speed of killing the bosses. A barb like this does that about equally fast as an R9 4aps sin (lets not get into the discussion of comparing that. The sin has some skills to increase his crit and rage dmg. The barb also has skills to increase his crit and blood rush, it all kinda evens out)

If however you are the rare r9 5aps sin, that will clearly win. Then again, if you are the rare barb with triple int weapon and full R9 APSing (as oppsed to just 4 parts, so you get those 30 extra attack levels), you will nearly equal the 5 aps sin again....

I think it most of all is easier for the barb though. Most bosses can be killed with your eyes closed. Or which is much more usefull during long farming sessions than 2 or 3 seconds faster killing speed, you run up to the boss, press a spark/attack macro or F12 and you are free to go to the toilet/roll a ciggy/ get a beer from the fridge. Come back 40s - 1 minute later and the boss is dead. All of it uncharmed. For me that works on anyone except steelation where you need to protect yourself against his APSing (dew star will make sure no HP is lost, pressing ToP after about 5 seconds into his APSing will also keep you alive) Against Emperor i also stay close. If he slows you shortly after you sparked or bubbles multiple times in a row, something needs to be done too. I can imagine for Joe who is a bunch stronger, none of that matters either and he can just auto pilot emperor just as well.

DEMHEALSMAN - Dreamweaver

WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »

It much depends on the sin.

The mobs are not an issue, you can run trough them (going to steelation for example) and they will all reset. Those that dont reset can be ignored while fighting against most bosses. In fact they help maxing your blood rush asap. The mobs that need to be killed for kill count will generally be killed much faster by a barb. You can see in Joes vid how he does that, aoe 1 shotting 15 of them at once.
False. Right from the start the barb loses time in this aspect, granted the sin knows what he's doing. Besides that sins can easily oneshot the mobs he does need to kill for the count as well.

So its just about speed of killing the bosses. A barb like this does that about equally fast as an R9 4aps sin (lets not get into the discussion of comparing that. The sin has some skills to increase his crit and rage dmg. The barb also has skills to increase his crit and blood rush, it all kinda evens out)
Again false, you're not taking GoF from the daggers into consideration. Base phy attack for a sin will be higher than that of an APS barb.

If however you are the rare r9 5aps sin, that will clearly win. Then again, if you are the rare barb with triple int weapon and full R9 APSing (as oppsed to just 4 parts, so you get those 30 extra attack levels), you will nearly equal the 5 aps sin again....
Which makes this false as well

I think it most of all is easier for the barb though. Most bosses can be killed with your eyes closed. Or which is much more usefull during long farming sessions than 2 or 3 seconds faster killing speed, you run up to the boss, press a spark/attack macro or F12 and you are free to go to the toilet/roll a ciggy/ get a beer from the fridge. Come back 40s - 1 minute later and the boss is dead. All of it uncharmed. For me that works on anyone except steelation where you need to protect yourself against his APSing (dew star will make sure no HP is lost, pressing ToP after about 5 seconds into his APSing will also keep you alive) Against Emperor i also stay close. If he slows you shortly after you sparked or bubbles multiple times in a row, something needs to be done too. I can imagine for Joe who is a bunch stronger, none of that matters either and he can just auto pilot emperor just as well.

Easier for the barb how? Sins roflstomp TT with ease and can skip parts. Most bosses can be killed with your eyes closed on a barb? How does that not count for a sin?
When I was still playing I always ran without a charm, I never needed it.
Emperor is a cakewalk.