DW - Hypothetical cross server TW

SonH - Dreamweaver

I really didn't want to speak up but the constant repetition calls for it. What is the big deal with giving TW advice or talking about squad formation? It doesn't matter if people know how you do things theoretically, it comes down to the execution.

For example, when Aeliah made the PK guide for cleric, not every single cleric suddenly became god-tier. Sure they know how to PK as a cleric theoretically, but for most of them, their execution is still below par.

This goes for TW as well. If the other side knows your strategies, it doesn't mean they can execute it as well as your faction. It doesn't mean they can counter it completely. If you or your faction values your strategies so much, you should know how it works, how it can be countered, and how to counter the counter.

With that being said, while I respect your choice of not wanting to share information, there really isn't a need to constantly passive aggressively tell or remind others; it is their choice.

Back on topic, I will try and form a list of top tier people from all major factions some time this week, for I am too caught up with university for now.

Zsw - Dreamweaver

Aeliah - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Zsw, provide a situation where it would be better to have a smaller squad rather than a squad of 10A?

The thing is, it absolutely depends on how you define your squads. Are you just gonna make it "a general attack squad"? If so, then there's no downside to having 10 people. But what if you want to define a squad more specifically based on their positioning and priorities? Then it's worth considering:

Are all 10 people needed to perform the role of the squad, or are there some just sitting there looking pretty because their class isn't necessarily suited to the squad's role? Or maybe people just die too fast?

When do you ever need all 10 people to AA?
When do you ever need more than 1 AOE Stuns on a group of people?
When do more than 3 DD ever need to attack one person in order to kill them?
When do you ever need more than 3 zhens on a group?

Is it difficult for 1 person to coordinate 9 other people as opposed to 7 or 6, keep them in formation, together, buffed and do the things they're supposed to be doing? Bystander apathy (in a way) is a thing.

Wouldn't it be better for the TW Coordinator to have more control over how many people they send over to reinforce a lane, working with multiples of 7 or 8 as opposed to 10? I mean sure, you could split a squad of 10 in half, but isn't that more effort than just having 2 squads?

It's a matter of Microcontrol and Macrocontrol I'd say.

There are two valid arguments for 10 people squads though.

1. Clerics can heal/res other clerics.
2. More DD attacking one person increase their chances of dying, rather than running/immuning.

I draw no conclusions from this however. That's for the up-to-date people to decide.

DeathProof - Dreamweaver

Nigelus - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Defensive 2
Deathproof
thesun

1/5, would not bang.

I guess since I'm bored, I might as well post a list of Tempest people.

Archers: - 11 candidates, 14 asked for
TSTrike
__RYDIA__
The_Duke
Lidstrom
Esfandiyar
Senel
Meowmerz
ATouchOfEvil
Deadwieght
CheLo_
Jinxers

Clerics: - 10 candidates, 16 asked for
Mufonette
KinderRosa
Restorz
Anmori
SMASHnHEAL
NingXiang
Mitachi
The__Sky
Velona
Solcitse

Venomancers: - 8 candidates, 8 asked for
Pepoash
Kattywompus
Draal
AiwenLyra
artymis
delishious
_Raszagal_
SkyStorm

Barbarians: - 4 candidates, 10 asked for
Morrier
N/\TT/\
Prey
Scroggs

Blademasters: - 7 candidates, 8 asked for
RobMyth
Naturion
_Vengence_
LordRomeo
Mufon
Siim
_LoneWolf

Wizards: - 5 candidates, 12 heavy magic dds asked for
Eziquil
Shadowfire
GimmeSnuSnu
DerpProof O:
ForceSpark

Psychics: - 5 candidates, 12 heavy magic dds asked for
The__Sun
The__Fish
GodlyMVP
_NoMorePain
BaesgVojc

Assassins: - 4 candidates, 4 asked for
kemushi
MrJohnDoe
the_pro
sean_

Mystics: - 5 candidates, 8 asked for
Damny
Ameyuri
KaIey
Asmu
Maradise

Seekers: - 4 candidates, 8 asked for
Tizanos
a_anita_a
__KAN__
DeadlySouls

Eoria - Harshlands

The main reasoning for a 10 person squad is making sure everyone is buffed as barbs/BMs kind of a rare commodity these days and buffs are extremely important.

Dragslave - Dreamweaver

Nigelus - Dreamweaver wrote: »

:P U might know, i might know, others might know. But i am sure ur tw squads leads dont know,at least not all.

Not trolling just thanking u for the clean list of ppl i always had in mind couse i know them.

I bet Dynasty ppl are gonna write a nice list of the ppl ur squads leads should start killing first.b:bye this post is too boring.

ah noob nige...
TW's are not won by having more info on the enemy, is all about teamwork and being smart with what u have...
Gear matters, ability matters, having enough of each class matters....
But is mostly being smart as a group, not having more info on the enemy, with that thinking... we should lose every TW since we post TW videos showing our chats, squads and all, cause we dont give a **** about who watchs or no... what can they learn? who is the lsquad eader? who goes with who? squads change always due to not all the same peopl TW'ing every week, if u ask me, if that helps someone, please watch!!!
Same with squads setups and all... they are a joke, the idea is everyone doing what told during TW... how many times a TW is 90 min 80 vs 80 in right-left-middle lane, no squad setup matters there, all the people are at eachother on same spot

Also if u think we are going to make a list or something... LOL

Like Dark pointed, if anyone wants to see who is in a faction, u can check, and i know who is good or bad just by TW'ing against them a couple of times, also NW or simple pk....

DeathProof - Dreamweaver

but but.. Calamity

Red Crabs...

Owned all lands

All your Ironguard is belong to us!

Kijinka - Dreamweaver

I'll post just for fun.

Candidates from Spades.

CrittyCat - Sin
Pretty/S_Psy - Psy
Kijinka - Mystic


And... I think that's it.

Algiz - Dreamweaver

Temptatio/V - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Wth Aeliah!?!?!

Were are me and Sun QQ

I wana be in svs war to:(

Wait... how much we going to be payed for that? b:laugh

don't feel bad, i never get mentioned in these things either qq

but yeah, this is some interesting reading. My big question though, could everyone we pick work together as a unit. I know in the past there has been some friction between some of the people listed, so i wonder if say Harshlands and DW were going head to head, could they put the petty stuff behind and stand as a unit. Good discussion though

Aeliah - Dreamweaver

Anybody from Bootycamp want to chip in before we start combining the lists together?

DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver

Thanks DeathProof for the Tempest candidates. Also lol cheers Kijinka! Dreamweaver I'm impressed with the collaboration so far. Let's keep it up!

Aeliah - Dreamweaver wrote: »

For example, from Dynasty:

Archers: - 10 candidates, 14 asked for

- ATouchOfEvil

DeathProof - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I guess since I'm bored, I might as well post a list of Tempest people.

Archers: - 11 candidates, 14 asked for
ATouchOfEvil

Umm.. awkward.

Aeliah - Dreamweaver

Woops did ATouch skip the boat? I was using Core Connect, I wasn't logged onto my cleric at the time I made the list lol.

SakuLv - Dreamweaver

Thanks DeathProof for the Tempest candidates. Also lol cheers Kijinka! Dreamweaver I'm impressed with the collaboration so far. Let's keep it up!

Originally Posted by Aeliah - Dreamweaver View Post

For example, from Dynasty:

Archers: - 10 candidates, 14 asked for

- ATouchOfEvil

Originally Posted by DeathProof - Dreamweaver View Post

I guess since I'm bored, I might as well post a list of Tempest people.

Archers: - 11 candidates, 14 asked for
ATouchOfEvil

Umm.. awkward.

this made me giggle xD

Anyways, yah hes not Dynasty anymore

Nigelus - Dreamweaver

DeathProof - Dreamweaver wrote: »

but but.. Calamity

Red Crabs...

Owned all lands

All your Ironguard is belong to us!

Exactly!! b:pleasedb:pleasedb:pleased

LostPoet - Dreamweaver

Zsw - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Really? Is PWI really the 1 shot fest that I imagine then? That's a pity.

So, as you may have noticed, since the 3rd staging of Rank 9 and G16 and all came out.
There was a huge buff to attack, but much less to defense; thus making 1shotting a pretty common occurrence. And the only way to really achieve a balance of offense and defense, was to invest in Vit-Stones or JoSDs; as substantial expense for the average player.

But, over time, a long time, people acquired full G16 and some refines and shards to level out the playing field a bit more.

But, not to long after, the New Horizons expansion came out with many more attack buffs.

1. Diety Stones
2. New skills; dealing much more powerful damage than previous skills
3. War Avatar Cards + Nuema Tiers
4. Rebirthing for extra stats
5. And Most importantly: SPIRIT

With the arcane and mirage sky levels, Spirit has gotten players, who diligently did/do their dailies since the expansion came out, a significant advantage over other players. And now, for any new player, for them to be effective, must rebirth atleast twice to acquire the spirit levels. Else, any players, no matter how nominal their gear is, can essentially wreck them, simply because they have 250+ Spirit; essentially like 125 Extra Atk lvls or so (not sure how the damage math is calculated).
So ya.... at the moment.. PWI is a 1 shot fest for a lot of people. And players, who, before the expansion, used to be a fair match up, such as Naberis and I (gear wise), now he has an insane lead and advantage over me simply because i was gone for 1.5 months for vacation and health since the expansion came out. I'm not complaining; all the power to him, but just stating an example that shows the imbalance.

So, until all players, at minimum, catch up to Mirage Sky X (10), there will continue to be a lot of 1 shot-ing.

DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver

LostPoet - Dreamweaver wrote: »

With the arcane and mirage sky levels, Spirit has gotten players, who diligently did/do their dailies since the expansion came out, a significant advantage over other players. And now, for any new player, for them to be effective, must rebirth atleast twice to acquire the spirit levels. Else, any players, no matter how nominal their gear is, can essentially wreck them, simply because they have 250+ Spirit; essentially like 125 Extra Atk lvls or so (not sure how the damage math is calculated).

Hey LP. The PvP calculation :- for every spirit point you have over the opponent you get a 0.1% damage increase/reduction. Though this really only hurts, as you stated, players that have yet to reawaken, gain war avatar cards.

I.e.. someone that has kept up with the dailies but didn't obtain the S versions of the cards that I have, but stuck to the one not requiring catalysts, (A version - 13% chance to obtain one per day from doing FSP) I would have around a 53 spirit advantage so 5.3% damage inc/reduce as it stands. The passives also are pretty decent, what's making the biggest impact to damage atm, is all the extra dex I have, coupled with the attack from the cards, I think my top end p-att has jumped from around 35k pre- expansion to 44k top-end atm.

Also last friday's Nation Wars that you wc'ed I hit you 11k point blank, I posted the video (17:58), you popped out in stealth next to me and I kited exactly 5-6m then attacked so the 50% damage reduction didn't apply.

Anyway, do your dailies, reawaken and get the passives!

Whilst we have your attention, seeing as you are a marshal in BootyCamp, would you be as so kind to post a candidates list in line with the current format so we can progress with you guys in mind, I know there are quite a few good ones there.

Cheers.

Temptatio/V - Dreamweaver

Aeliah - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Woops did ATouch skip the boat? I was using Core Connect, I wasn't logged onto my cleric at the time I made the list lol.

Yes and Apocalypto doesn't play anymore.

Blademasters: - 4 candidates, 8 asked for
- EX_tacy
- Aelicia
- RockStar_
- Jckstn

Where is nigelus?

Mystics: - 6 candidates, 8 asked for
- Xaner
- Tato_
- Asthariel
- _Tara
- \Influence/
- Countessia

Algiz missing.

don't feel bad, i never get mentioned in these things either qq

That happens when people using Core and don't have clue about peoples gear, how they play, how long they play, how experience are they in tw and so on:)

Anyway its not serious thread, just another "who has bigger peee peee" contest, but lets see how that will end up... although its not hard to predict the outcome:)

Nigelus - Dreamweaver

Temptatio/V - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Where is nigelus?

nigelus is in the kitchen

wasnt this my english class?

Hunkary - Dreamweaver

*hugs Temptation*
Aeliah didnt put me in that list too QQ

Funny cause he put Spec and we have exactly the same gears, same stats and same gameplay style
Weird o.o

Maybe Aeliah doesnt like me lmao xD

Temptatio/V - Dreamweaver

Hunkary - Dreamweaver wrote: »

*hugs Temptation*
Aeliah didnt put me in that list too QQ

Funny cause he put Spec and we have exactly the same gears, same stats and same gameplay style
Weird o.o

Maybe Aeliah doesnt like me lmao xD

nah think he dunno you are in faction b:laugh

DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver

Considering the slight disputes with the Dynasty candidates I propose we await SonH's list, sounds like the fairest option.

He may have a better/alternative idea of a) who is actually in the faction b) the best candidates from each class in Dynasty for a hypothetical cross server TW.

_dblazen_ - Dreamweaver

I could imagine a few people who would be good for the lists other than the "known" ones from the "big" factions, i'm sure you people can come up with that too since there are some people running around that are either in smaller factions or are even factionless, sure that wouldn't make up 80 people, but it adds to the list.

Andres - Dreamweaver

Updated: 2/27/2014 1:11 AM.

I don't think it's so much about which squad could do better with less people, the question itself leads to an obvious answer... you're just not asking the right questions. Nigelus is worried about sharing strategies, so that's all I can really say without revealing all my secrets b:chuckle

Nigel, I love you, you're my mexi bro, but you're exaggerating and ruining a good discussion on the forums, Dynasty rules strictly forbid the misrepresentation of the faction name with poor actions.

4. When you wear Dynasty's name, you represent the faction as well as yourself. Do not behave in a manner which may damage your personal reputation sufficiently that you damage those of Dynasty and fellow members by association. This includes insults to other factions or players, harassment, scamming, and excessive ToS violations.

Please, if you don't like the argument, just don't contribute to it. To mock another faction's temporary leader is unnecessary. To belittle yur guildies contributions is bad too... This particular thread is a breeze of fresh air in the forums over the past 8 months I've been reading, it even drove me to post again.

Personally, I don't understand the fuss about sharing a list of names. Or even a squad list. As long as you're not sharing my lane pushes. My current goals, my current squad leader orders... it doesn't take a genius to figure out who's squadding who. A better question is why? Why are they here, why are they together. or even What? What are they trying to do? And nothing we can post here can reveal any of that. Even so, when y'all left Regenesis, and went to all the 20 different factions you spread to, all that TW knowledge we developed went with you. There's no secret setups anymore. We've seen them all. There's only strategy, and no one is stupid enough to share that.

I'm pretty sure I've made a list like this a little over 3 years ago. But obviously things change, new classes arise, they become r9rr full S cards and wreck your face, every strategy, every tactic needs an upgrade.

My 80 are split (ordered as I was listing them, not a ranking) like this:

10 archers:
I believe that Relic archers are the most well geared, Dyna has a really good amount of >=10+ r9rr bows, which makes it look more even. I'd chose any of this 10 archers before myself even, they've all good good communication skills, they know their class pretty well, they can assist their targets efficiently and they understand their role to a great extent.

Heartz - Relic
RedMouse - Relic
DarkSkies - Relic
Peachies - Relic
Lidstrom - Tempest
TSTrike - Tempest
TruWarz - Dynasty
Maximo - Dynasty
Rydia - Tempest
RottenKitten - Dynasty

Fillers:
Vaud - Shattered
Merangelus - Currently AFK.
ExMP - Dynasty
Ojimaru - Dynasty
Andres - Relic
iScarlet - Dynasty
The_Duke - Tempest
joseefus (sp?) - BootyCamp
Kenji_ - Dynasty

13 Clerics: Some of this clerics are purely support, some of them are purely attack. When slotting a cleric to a TW squad I usually looked to make sure that if they were not gonna be healing a lot because of their playstyle, their squad shouldn't need much heals.

One of this clerics is a base cleric, by the way. I nominate SonH. b:angry
Adibelle - Relic
Cure - Relic
Racquel - Relic
Yuunnie - Relic
Anmori - Tempest
Gwendollyn - Relic
Divine_Blade - Dynasty
Tamrood - Skunkyard
Temiko - Relic
Aeliah - Dynasty
SonH - Dynasty
Lechi - Dynasty
FistToDeath - Dynasty

Fillers:
Tegge - shattered
NigXiang - tempest
Restorz - Tempest
The__SKy - Tempest
Velona- Tempest
Re_Animator - Relic
kisma - Relic

7 Venos: Just like the 7 deadly sins. These are in my opinion, the 7 best venos this server has. All of them are damn scary and damn legendary. All other venos are in KOS thanks to this 7.

LadyCatt - Relic
Pepoash - Tempest
AiwenLyra - Tempest
Draal - Tempest
_Raszagal_ - Tempest
Anonome - Dynasty
WackyTaffy - Dynasty

Fillers:
davalentine - Factionless
kattywompus - tempest
Fiyah - Dynasty
SkyStorm - Tempest


10 Barbarians: 4 of this barbs are purely cata barbs, even if they don't like to see themselves as that. The rest are well versed in PK. So even though they may not be the greatest geared barbs, they know their roles in the wars.

Plague - Relic
Deadwake - Relic
KaminariSama - Relic
CHUM - Relic
Jay - Relic
Jans - Relic
BigCojones - Dynasty
MelonHeads - Dynasty
KingRock - BootyCamp
Morrier - Tempest

Fillers:
fenrir wolf - Dynasty
Natta - Tempest
odinsghost - Dynasty
kicksumbutt - Dynasty
DangerousDan - Dynasty

6 Wizards: This was a hard choice. I feel 6 wizards is already way too many wizards in TW, but I've been in factions my entire life where there's not that many wizards wrecking havoc. I always fought against them. Wizards is the reason why I had to add fillers to all the classes. because I didn't know how to fit just 6, and I didn't want to raise the number I wanted.

Tche_BR - Relic
Philco - Relic
DeathProof - Tempest
Dragslave - Dynasty
Antics - Dynasty
Sarisama - Dynasty

Fillers:
Drakira - Dynasty
GimmeSnuSnu - Tempest
fallonswiz - Skunkyard
ForceSpark - Tempest
Eziquil - Tempest

8 Psychics: This was an easy choice. Apocalypto is perhaps the only psychic I sat out of the main group for being AFK. Psys are a class that relies heavily on their gear over skills, all you need to do is sort them by survival index and soulforce and pick your top 8. Although I do believe most of this psychics are the best at their class, I'm just saying, they wouldn't really need to.

Anjumara - Relic
Evangeline - Relic
The__Sun - Tempest
AznBloodV - Dynasty
Raffiel - Relic
SuperLambo - Relic
Tahimara - Relic
Mezk - Dynasty

Fillers
Drakoveuz - God
Temptation - Dynasty
PsychoPsy - Blacklist
Apocalypto - Currently AFK
Presents - Relic
FnBaronhero - Relic
SpectreBR - Dynasty
Hunkary - Dynasty
The__Fish - Tempest
_NoMorePain - Tempest

5 Sins: Hard choice. Zsw was definitively up there in the list but he now just trolls us in spirit. I havent seen NoobzKiller in a while, but still leave him up there because his PK background would be of great use for me.

AlonaWorld - Relic
bigknockers - Dynasty
Kemushi - Tempest
JohnDoe - Tempest
ehop - Dynasty

fillers:
NoobzKiller - Dynasty
Sword_Tammer - Dynasty
sean - Tempest

7 Mystics: all great, all active, all pretty much godly geared.
PG_Junior - Relic
Cherriies - Relic
Dulcesito - Relic
Xaner - Dynasty
Countessia - Dynasty
Damny - Tempest
Thicket - Kindrid

Fillers:
A_Raft - Currently AFK.
Snoekjie - Relic
Asthariel - Dynasty
_Tara - Dynasty
\Influence/ - Dynasty
Kaley - Tempest

6 Seekers: same as above.
Kalopsia - Relic
ShadeWarden - Relic
Iceblade - Dynasty
Ebrithalia - Relic
K/\N - Tempest
Cinnumon - Relic

Fills:
Livboree - No Faction
Breezy - Relic
purpleseeker -Relic
Nit - Dynasty
Bob_Roberts - Dynasty
Tizanos - Tempest
anita - Tempest

8 BMs: This was the trickiest choice. I feel like Relic has better BMs, which are all fillers because Dynasty BMs while undergeared in comparisson have so much more TW experience and awareness that outweigh the gears that we have in this class. I believe and hope that 6 months in, this group could be re-assessed after we gain more TW experience. Remember, Relic is not that old as a faction. Their core is not as old as most other factions in this server, not just Dyna, that's whats motivating about this group.

slewdem - Relic
WangZi - BootyCamp
Buddha- Dynasty
nigelus - Dynasty
RobMyth - Tempest
Vengueance - Tempest
Aelicia - Dynasty
Ex_Tacy - Dynasty

Fillers:
Drac - Relic
Archaius - Relic
Tsukiyumi - Relic
Naturion - Tempest
LordRomeo - Tempest
_LoneWolf - Tempest
Rockstar_ - Dynasty

Hunkary - Dreamweaver

Temptatio/V - Dreamweaver wrote: »

nah think he dunno you are in faction b:laugh

LOL

And Dark nab that's not a dispute I'm just kidding around xD
I don't deserve to make the list with all these OP people indeed

Just thought I'd post something QQing for the lols since Spec is there too lmao b:laugh



@Edit

Andres included me... in the fillers... but that's already something yay! hahah


@Edit 2

You all are too serious about this o.o

Aeliah - Dreamweaver

Look Tempt, its like this. As DarkSkiesx hinted at, there are a lot of really experienced, really well geared psychics.

If you were a veno, or a wizard, or an assassin, and possessed similar gear and experience in that class as you do on your psychic, you'd automatically be on the list. But for psychics, I believe you still have some catching up to do.

That being said, its not like I check people's gear and playstyle everyday. There are people on each list that I"m not too familiar with. If you can demonstrate that you think you belong, in terms of gear, experience, or other factors, well then, this is the place to say why!

Also, I'll nitpick your list a bit later when I have more time Dark.

Cheers,

Aeliah

Kalopsia - Dreamweaver

I think Andres's list is pretty spot on, nice to see KAN made this list, coming from another seeker id say he's one of the top skilled in server.

Other considerations: (not sure of all the factions or name spellings)

Archer: Vaud (shattered)
Cleric:Tegge (shattered), NigXiang (tempest)
barb: fenrir wolf (dynasty)
Psy:drakoveuz (?), temptation (dynasty) PsyckoPsy (blacklist)
Sin: Naberis (?)
Mystic: Algiz (dynasty)
BM: Bubba_Z (equinox), BAMBAM (blacklist)
wiz Deathproof (tempest)
Veno:davalentine(?), kattywompus (tempest)

Andres - Dreamweaver

Hunkary - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Andres included me... in the fillers... but that's already something yay! hahah

I'm on my own list filler list b:cry

Bob_Boberts - Dreamweaver

Andres - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I'm on my own list filler list b:cry

At least your name is spelled right b:sad other than that, good list, and having yourself on the fill list isn't bad, i don't know if i would even include myself if i was to make a list b:laugh

Dragslave - Dreamweaver

Dark... your list is terribleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
how come FlyDSranger is not number 1 archer?????? b:laugh

joke joke...

I would say i agree with 80-85% of list.....

Clerics i pretty much agree, but maybe i would include reanimator as main, not cause his ability to heal, but as a tankish DD cleric that can come in handy....

venos are fine, only artymis doesnt play anymore, and personally i might add EmiXX, hes really good has good gear but goes unnoticed sometimes, since he plays a more supportive veno style

Barbs i would add reactionist, idk how his gear is now, but hes great cata barb, and Fenrir_wolf, hes great as well ( i woluld take maybe a couple of names off, but maybe idk them so much)

wizards, well u put Philco twice, as main and as filler, i hope he's main... Ofc i would add deathproof, and eziquil should be main as well

Psys, hmmm.... the class that plays alone... i agree on all, maybe adding lordbosk hes good....

As for sins, Noobzkiller doesnt play anymore, and to me ehop is definitely main, he's one of the few sins i struggle killing XD

Mystics, a couple have awesome gear but to me they dont make the most of the class, also i have noticed that many mystics forget that they can heal others too, but thats maybe my playstyle on mine....

Seekers, hard to choose since many many seekers are endgame nowadays, some of fillers deserve main as well

and last BM's idk if buddha is that experienced, maybe i would switch for lordromeo for experience, but he must be outgeared by now idk

Overall nice list.... but it would be a pain to make the squads and see who the SL should be hahaha

i cant imagine half this people following orders and working as a group... b:pleased

SonH - Dreamweaver

Thank you Andres for compiling the list. I didn't have the time during the week to but since you already did it, I will tweak it a little bit. My choices are from what I've seen first hand and from the gears they possess. After all, gears do make a difference when you fight against other servers. This list is subject to change as names start coming back to me.


10 Archers:

Heartz - Relic
Ojimaru - Dynasty
DarkSkies - Relic
ExMP - Dynasty
Lidstrom - Tempest
xRedHoodx- Dynasty
Andres - Relic
RYDIA - Tempest
RottenKitten - Dynasty



13 Clerics:

Adibelle - Relic
The_Cure - Relic
Racquel - Relic
PetalaRubra - Dynasty
Anmori - Tempest
Gwendollyn - Relic
Temiko - Relic
Tamrood - Skunkyard
Thrine - Relic
Aeliah - Dynasty
SonH - Dynasty
Lechi - Dynasty
FistToDeath - Dynasty



7 Venos:

LadyCatt - Relic
Pepoash - Tempest
AiwenLyra - Tempest
Draal - Tempest
_Raszagal_ - Tempest
Anonome - Dynasty
WackyTaffy - Dynasty



10 Barbarians:

The_Plague - Relic
Fenrir_Wolf - Dynasty
KaminariSama - Relic
Kicksumbutt - Dynasty
Jay - Relic
Jans - Relic
BigCojones - Dynasty
Melonheads - Dynasty
KingRock - BootyCamp
Morrier - Tempest



6 Wizards:

DeathProof - Tempest
Philco - Relic
fallonswiz - Skunkyard
Dragslave - Dynasty
Antics - Dynasty
Sarisama - Dynasty



8 Psychics:

Anjumara - Relic
Evangile - Relic
The__Sun - Tempest
AznBloodV - Dynasty
Raffiel - Relic
Skylla - Dynasty
Tahimara - Relic
Mezk - Dynasty



5 Sins:

AlonaWorld - Relic
bigknockers - Dynasty
kemushi - Tempest
MrJohnDoe - Tempest
ehop - Dynasty



7 Mystics:

PG_Junior - Relic
Cherriies - Relic
Anaara - Dynasty
Algiz - Dynasty
Countessia - Dynasty
Damny - Tempest
Thicket - Kindrid



6 Seekers:

Kalopsia - Relic
ShadeWarden - Relic
Iceblade - Dynasty
Ebrithalia - Relic
K/\N - Tempest
Cinnumon - Relic




8 BMs:

slewdem - Relic
WangZi - BootyCamp
LordRomeo - Tempest
nigelus - Dynasty
RobMyth - Tempest
Vengeance - Tempest
Aelicia - Dynasty
Ex_tacy - Dynasty

Andres - Dreamweaver

No problem master SonH, the list looks pretty clean. And I agree that tweaking was necessary, I like all the names that Drag, SonH and Kalo added to it. The amount of people I picked per class follows my TW setup and tactics though, others with different TW backgrounds or ideas picked different numbers.

Drag, I do think you can put many of this people together, maybe just not on the same squad. I feel the "NW Approach" is probably the best. We all contribute a fixed number of squads from our factions. Like I count enough Dyna cleric, barbs, bms and support to make a cata squad, and Relic players to provide a second one. I can certainly see both cata squads with their squad leaders right there.

SonH, myself, DP, DarkSkiesx, Aeliah, Wacky, Dragslave, Plague, Biggy, Kicksumbutt, PG, Kalopsia, WangZi, Nigelus, Romeo, Damny. They all have squad leading background, they've all led squads, or currently still lead squads. I think that putting the squads together and providing them with a squad leader that they will listen to wouldn't be an issue.

The real issue is, who do you have leading us? So many different leading styles for wars, some of us are very agressive in their pushes. Others are very conservative. Pick up 80? ezpz... What style would suit us best is what's hard to tell.