Final Compensation - For All (12.12.13 UPDATED)
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So by the sounds of things, there are no 1 year bans and those claiming otherwise simply can't figure out the login ban timer is busted and has claimed 1 year for ages now. Everyone is getting a two-week ban.
I say this because Harshlands has two people who were universally known as the biggest exploiters by far and then I have my above example of 4 extra prizes. Both cases, the latter involving 15 Dorbs and the former involving enough dorbs to full +11 a set, have received a two week ban.
GG PWI.I
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the bans are occurring now and they are for 2 weeks...the entire fiasco is over and its just a happen stance the ban is over final study times...no one playing for the next 3 weeks anyway have exams to take0
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2 weeks ban and some players got a full +11 set. GG.0
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Yuyi - Harshlands wrote: »2 weeks ban and some players got a full +11 set. GG.
I dunno about other servers but I can name three players on Harshlands that got full +11 from this and another ~2-3 that got +11 pieces. (not amazing luck, thanks to multiple tries)I AGOREY0 -
Seems a little unfair everyone gets the same ban - those who got 3 extra and those who got 60 extra ijsLongknife - Harshlands wrote: »So by the sounds of things, there are no 1 year bans and those claiming otherwise simply can't figure out the login ban timer is busted and has claimed 1 year for ages now. Everyone is getting a two-week ban.
I say this because Harshlands has two people who were universally known as the biggest exploiters by far and then I have my above example of 4 extra prizes. Both cases, the latter involving 15 Dorbs and the former involving enough dorbs to full +11 a set, have received a two week ban.
GG PWI.
Unless they letting those who got 3 or 6 extra off with no punishment because it might have been lag in some cases...0 -
WTT 2 weeks bann for full +10 my gear, pm me b:surrender0
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hmm why are you ppl saying 2 week ban? i know a friend that he abuse of the code and he got bannedb:chuckle and he told me that when he tries to log in says the ban duration is 1 year and in other hand i saw ppl that really abuse of the codes and i saw them getting tons of orbs and they are not banned how is this possible b:shocked?0
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suspended for one year (525,600 minutes) the gm are stupid or what?0
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the timer isnt even counting down is it suppose to?0
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_StrikerR - Archosaur wrote: »hmm why are you ppl saying 2 week ban? i know a friend that he abuse of the code and he got bannedb:chuckle and he told me that when he tries to log in says the ban duration is 1 year and in other hand i saw ppl that really abuse of the codes and i saw them getting tons of orbs and they are not banned how is this possible b:shocked?
Cause if you did read the previous posts above yours, it say in game the log screen says 1 year, but in the email it says 2 weeks.0 -
___________________________________________StrikerR - Archosaur wrote: »hmm why are you ppl saying 2 week ban? i know a friend that he abuse of the code and he got bannedb:chuckle and he told me that when he tries to log in says the ban duration is 1 year and in other hand i saw ppl that really abuse of the codes and i saw them getting tons of orbs and they are not banned how is this possible b:shocked?
"Log in banned
Banned: Contact Customer Services for bla bla bla
Banned for 525600 more minute"
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525600 minute (abt 1 year), isnt the time of how long the ban will go.
It just the deadline until perma ban if the owner not give any respon.
I already got that ban msg on this account several time (so far 3-4 times since i play), mostly bcos of using proxy server. But soon after i sent respon (via email) the ban is stop.
For boter it not realse imediatly after respon, but when the server reset.
For the abuser, idk, but im sure there is not 1 year ban.
The point is banning ppl is useles, it will just make game for fade out, FIX FIX not BAN.
Afterall this is GM fault, not player, player who got ban report that they have msg "Wait 10 minute before redeem again", its mean they just follow gm instruction,
even before the abuse of the forum code, the compensation already fail, alowing the code to be use for all server when only archo server who got error, so most people on that time will think its "legal",
if i was online on that time, i will also redeem that code more and more.
why gm not just remove all that +10 orbs and renew the compensation? removing item will only cost no more than 10bit working on database then to search all suspect abuser.[SIGPIC]BORN[/SIGPIC]0 -
So, in summary, exploiters that now have +10 and +11 gear from drastically abusing this exploit will be back long before any honest players even see a retardedly priced "orb sale" and should all be back in PLENTY OF TIME to enjoy winter break and double exp/drop.
PWI can't possibly wonder why they've lost all control of abuse and exploits! Just brush everything related to glitch or exploit under the rug.
Even 1 YEAR bans would have been a joke, but 2 WEEKS !? That just screams "keep abusing bugs and glitches - we honestly dont care here at PWI".
Sad days, see all you exploiters in 2 weeks - gz on saving $100, $1000 or $5000 whatever you managed to pull off.0 -
lol its not a ban, its a VACATION for xMass / new yearCROVV - Raging Tide wrote: »So, in summary, exploiters that now have +10 and +11 gear from drastically abusing this exploit will be back long before any honest players even see a retardedly priced "orb sale" and should all be back in PLENTY OF TIME to enjoy winter break and double exp/drop.
PWI can't possibly wonder why they've lost all control of abuse and exploits! Just brush everything related to glitch or exploit under the rug.
Even 1 YEAR bans would have been a joke, but 2 WEEKS !? That just screams "keep abusing bugs and glitches - we honestly dont care here at PWI".
Sad days, see all you exploiters in 2 weeks - gz on saving $100, $1000 or $5000 whatever you managed to pull off.[SIGPIC]BORN[/SIGPIC]0 -
CROVV - Raging Tide wrote: »So, in summary, exploiters that now have +10 and +11 gear from drastically abusing this exploit will be back long before any honest players even see a retardedly priced "orb sale" and should all be back in PLENTY OF TIME to enjoy winter break and double exp/drop.
PWI can't possibly wonder why they've lost all control of abuse and exploits! Just brush everything related to glitch or exploit under the rug.
Even 1 YEAR bans would have been a joke, but 2 WEEKS !? That just screams "keep abusing bugs and glitches - we honestly dont care here at PWI".
Sad days, see all you exploiters in 2 weeks - gz on saving $100, $1000 or $5000 whatever you managed to pull off.
I know ONE person who got perma banned....
That one person being the alt account a friend of mine used to experiment with the site and try to figure out how others were doing it, AKA it's not even his account and was done with experimentation in mind, not getting super OP.
It makes me question why the only account confirmed to have been perma-banned for this is one that, naturally, would have no cash shopping history, since it's a damned alt.I AGOREY0 -
CROVV - Raging Tide wrote: »So, in summary, exploiters that now have +10 and +11 gear from drastically abusing this exploit will be back long before any honest players even see a retardedly priced "orb sale" and should all be back in PLENTY OF TIME to enjoy winter break and double exp/drop.
PWI can't possibly wonder why they've lost all control of abuse and exploits! Just brush everything related to glitch or exploit under the rug.
Even 1 YEAR bans would have been a joke, but 2 WEEKS !? That just screams "keep abusing bugs and glitches - we honestly dont care here at PWI".
Sad days, see all you exploiters in 2 weeks - gz on saving $100, $1000 or $5000 whatever you managed to pull off.
Can you tell me please about what exploits you talking??? just to clarify ur statement...because there was no exploits, no glitches and no hacks, everyone did what GMs told them, use the code in 10 minutes...so im asking you again what exploits you talking about???
Ok i was maybe wrong, GMs are game masters right? so im not sure they controlling the site code things, i should say "players did what the ONE who released that code told them"...pwcalc.com/962fb48be545fa7b
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@ gyurakzoltan..
First off I know some people legitimately got more than 3 orbs purely due to website issues.
However, if you believe all the people that got 20+ orbs, it happened purely by accident, and they simply didnt know what they were doing -- you are naive - and I am sorry but you are at least 2-3 glitches/exploits behind everyone else at this moment -- in this case ignorance IS actually bliss I am afraid.
I would specifically be addressing those that circumvented the "one code per account" (stated limit) and even the "website told me to try again in 10 minutes people" -- I am mostly pointing at people using browser-language changes, cookie purging, multiple browsers and spamming browser windows (as well as other workarounds) to exploit as many orbs as possible before the FREE ORB FIRE SALE event was ended for everyone.
I also blame PWI simply for being too stupid to check that the orbs only worked on g15
gear (which I think would have greatly reduced any impact-and was stated in description). Players are more than willing to try/test/tinker - because PWI doesn't seem to be able/willing to stop them.
I don't plan to participate further in this thread - the forum mods probably hand out more effective (and permanent) bans - and I'd hate to get my legitimate +10 toons banned rofl.0 -
this is seriously becoming ****.. we were promised people glitching goons got perma banned, yet they were not.. now people will only get a 2 week ban r u serious? ive spent 16k on this game over the years i been playing, and have refused to spend another dime on pwi for the gm's are full of bs.. let there only b a 2 week ban for this glitch.. half the servers will quit, and the other half will exploit the next glitch and take the 2 week ban.. cuz obviously that's the only true way to get ahead in this game.. following the Tos means nothing.. might as well name it PoS... cuz that's wat it all boils down to, this game is a fking joke any more.. as far as referrals.. u can forget it..why would people refer their friends to play a game or spend money on pwi , jus to be treated the way the people do that follow the rules do.. my prediction, kiss pwi good bye thanks to the new pc games and 3 new consoles that came out in November.. so now instead of getting anymore of the thousands i would of spent here, i will go buy 2 new consoles and a **** load of games to enjoy with friends as well as a new mmo to play online and give them the nice hard earned dollars i would have spent here.. happy yet pwi? of course you are, cuz pwe does not give 2 fks about players EVEN if u do spend cash here..0
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I just keep on reading lame suggestions from butthurt people because they got only 3 or no orbs at all...
It's just stupid to expect them to perma ban anyone in this game.. cuz this is a freakin company, not a charity institution that wants to provide us all some free fun.. the players' money is what keeps them going, and if you're the type that loves working hard for your goals and seldom or never puts money in game, of course they don't care about you, deal with that... free to play, pay to win. Why don't you just go and work hard for real life goals and actually get some valuable reward out of it?
It's also stupid to expect them to remove the refines (down to zero) of those who were considered abusers of the code, because I'm sure a lot of people farmed the previous refines and it's not fair that they simply punish people by taking away what they have worked for in months, years. In order to be fair, they would have to analyze cases one by one to make sure the refines they remove are what the toon had before the code glitch (that would take.. centuries?). A temporary ban though, prevents them them from getting/earning/farming more things and gives time for players who are "behind" to catch up even if just a bit (don't come QQing to me because you can't make 30 d. orbs worth of money in 2 weeks, a lot of people can make a lot of coins in 2 weeks, just need to know how to take advantage of the many farming/merchanting possibilities of the game).
I really wanted to know what kind of parameters they used to decide who to call "abuser". I'm sure only a very few amount of people actually used specific means to get extra orbs (such as new browsers, cleaning cookies or software or w/e technological thing I don't know much) and should be called abusers. It is very clear that this is MAINLY PWE's fault for having a broken web page up for so long, since we all know that kind of glitch has happened before... so I really don't believe in PWE's innocence on this matter. It's unfair to permanently ban players because of poor management/server lag/or w/e that is under THEIR control.
I for example got 13 d. orbs for the same reason than most: a friend told me about the code, he even told me "hurry, don't know if this will last long so just redeem it fast", then I was like "waaaaat" and first thing I did was to check Facebook page to see if it was a legitimate offer or what... and it was. I come to rewards page and I try for about half hour to redeem my code, it keeps telling me to wait 10min and try again. Meanwhile I wait those 10 minutes, I try to log other accounts to get the code and still can't get it, then I come back to my main account to keep trying, until eventually I got it.. and kept getting more and more rewards.
The same thing happened to another friend of mine, but he heard about the code a bit sooner than me, when he redeemed the code for one of his toons, the page was fine and he got just 3 orbs. But some minutes later when he tried for another account, the lag had already started and he was trying over and over of course, after several "server timeout" messages and "wait 10min" messages, then he finally got it. We come to game and start playing, and HOURS later he is still getting more and more rewards, without even trying. He even wondered if I was still getting reward packs cuz that toon of his was still getting, and HE WASN'T EVEN TRYING TO GET MORE. Now that toon of his was banned, and I TRULY hope it's only for 14 days, since it was an amazing toon played by an amazing player, who has invested a lot of time and money to game, someone that never used any wrong means to get his stuff, his toon was already full +10 so it's not like out of the sudden he became OP (like from zero refine to full +10). Imagine if he loses all his work from years of playing just because of a stupid page glitch not caused by him... would be a pity... and of course he would stop playing game and stop feeding PWE with money (as would I if it was me).
Then another friend, comes and tells me the code can be redeemed again, and that someone in his faction was able to get it again after redeemed. I came and tried to see if it was true and got the message "this code has already been redeemed"... duh. Another friend of mine even tried those browser cleaning things and tried to redeem again, and it was NOT possible, so that makes me believe that those who redeemed code AGAIN, after they got message that IT WAS ALREADY REDEEMED, certainly did by VERY UNRIGHTFUL MEANS.
In my opinion, the best thing PWI can do is, offer the 3 orbs individually for those who didn't get the chance to retrieve the reward, or even 6, 10, I don't care... not perma-banning anyone, specially when their parameters to decide whether a person "blatantly" abused or not are QUESTIONABLE...0 -
Well it seems that people are still complaining about not getting any reward...Move on guys, I did not get anything also but I farmed the hell out of TT this 2x and bought 4 +10 orbs last night, can buy 2 more today from farmed TT money. Coz i know, i could only do so little about this issue and moved on with what PWI has to offer.
PS. Please GM extend the 2x till Xmas or even New year. You'll make some of us farmers happy. Thank you and Goodluck. b:bye0 -
Its so hilarious to watch how suddenly when bans started forum got full of people that justifying themselves and claiming "how they didn't know what they doing" and how all was "PWI fault" and how they were "just reading what GMs told them".
Also is very funny to see how no one of those poor "ignorant" people didn't abused hyper stones code.
I'm very amused reading your crappy explanations about lag, alts account,... and every other stupid reason you can come up with.
I'm so glad bans finally starting to happen although I'm sure not everyone that deserves it will be punished. The time of your ban will be determined according to how badly you abused glich, so yes some of you will get 2 weeks vacation while some of you can say by by to pwi for a year or even perma.
So to those...b:bye ... was nice to know you b:pleased0 -
Backstub - Heavens Tear wrote: »Well it seems that people are still complaining about not getting any reward...Move on guys, I did not get anything also but I farmed the hell out of TT this 2x and bought 4 +10 orbs last night, can buy 2 more today from farmed TT money. Coz i know, i could only do so little about this issue and moved on with what PWI has to offer.
PS. Please GM extend the 2x till Xmas or even New year. You'll make some of us farmers happy. Thank you and Goodluck. b:bye
And what makes you think everyone else can farm that easely?
Some ppl got a job and a life next to pwi, and won't be able to farm that much.0 -
Zenzoa - Sanctuary wrote: »And what makes you think everyone else can farm that easely?
Some ppl got a job and a life next to pwi, and won't be able to farm that much.
Then its their problem for not having the time to farm and getting decent items.0 -
Zenzoa - Sanctuary wrote: »And what makes you think everyone else can farm that easely?
Some ppl got a job and a life next to pwi, and won't be able to farm that much.
Why bother? ppl that have jobs and life like you said dont care anything on what they got on this game. They just login have some fun. If they dont get orb they never really care.0 -
Temptatio/V - Dreamweaver wrote: »Its so hilarious to watch how suddenly when bans started forum got full of people that justifying themselves and claiming "how they didn't know what they doing" and how all was "PWI fault" and how they were "just reading what GMs told them".
Also is very funny to see how no one of those poor "ignorant" people didn't abused hyper stones code.
I'm very amused reading your crappy explanations about lag, alts account,... and every other stupid reason you can come up with.
I'm so glad bans finally starting to happen although I'm sure not everyone that deserves it will be punished. The time of your ban will be determined according to how badly you abused glich, so yes some of you will get 2 weeks vacation while some of you can say by by to pwi for a year or even perma.
So to those...b:bye ... was nice to know you b:pleased
I didn't get banned.. I'm not here to justify myself or anyone else... like you said, sadly some people that did not deserve it are being punished, and that's what I came here to talk about.
Be sure most people that claim "they don't know what they're doing" actually didn't know. Most likely there was no hyper stone abuse because almost no one needs it badly, they're throwing out hypers all the time, it wouldn't be a reason to overload the page... if they offer a shiny new pet from expansion, you can be sure I won't even bother seeing what pet is.. but orbs +10? lol who doesn't want it?
It's easy to talk like that when you have max gear and just look down to people that got some alms from PWE while you worked hard/paid to get what you have... I'm sure if it was you being banned or a dear friend of yours you would be very pissed off too, specially if it didn't happen on purpose.0 -
Zenzoa - Sanctuary wrote: »And what makes you think everyone else can farm that easely?
Some ppl got a job and a life next to pwi, and won't be able to farm that much.
Man i work 6am to 6 pm 6 days a week and i farm after. And i was just sharing what i did instead of complaining. b:thanks0 -
Eruvanda - Dreamweaver wrote: »I didn't get banned.. I'm not here to justify myself or anyone else... like you said, sadly some people that did not deserve it are being punished, and that's what I came here to talk about.
Be sure most people that claim "they don't know what they're doing" actually didn't know. Most likely there was no hyper stone abuse because almost no one needs it badly, they're throwing out hypers all the time, it wouldn't be a reason to overload the page... if they offer a shiny new pet from expansion, you can be sure I won't even bother seeing what pet is.. but orbs +10? lol who doesn't want it?
It's easy to talk like that when you have max gear and just look down to people that got some alms from PWE while you worked hard/paid to get what you have... I'm sure if it was you being banned or a dear friend of yours you would be very pissed off too, specially if it didn't happen on purpose.
Lol ofc I got pissed because someone got for free something that took months and months to farm and saving every freaking coin that I could spent on some insanely expensive flayer or fash. YES I'm mad, YES I demand justice and I have every right to feel that and ask for it. Fact that you will loose your friend tbh doesn't consears me at all, same as everyone here on forum that didn't got 1 single orb.
I don't believe there was a single person that didn't know what they doing. This was not first time it happened so people were completely aware of what they were doing. Only people that I don't consider "guilty" for this matter was people who were lagging and press redeem once or twice again. For those I'm sure nothing will happen anyway. Rest of your dear friends know exactly what they doing. And like many people already sad they were so cocky that had to brag about how many orbs they got, posting their ss of emails with tones of orbs in mail on youtube.
So sorry if I don't feel sorry for those "poor" people that will come from 2 weeks ban with full +10/11 gear and with who knows how many orbs still in mail.
You are probably one of those people that abused code and now you qqing and trying to justify what you done. If you didn't then you don't have anything to worry about.0 -
The thing is bans have started but its only 2 week ban? seriously? give me 30 orbs and ban me for 2 weeks ......... i would be happy to accept that
The point been made here is 30 orbs are like 25G (sale price) x30 people got +11/+12 on their gears using this orbs and not to mention there are people in tons who did tht and are +11/+12 on weapon and u only ban them for 2 weeks... minimum ban should be more than a month not 2 weeks .....
you should remove the orbs also from their account not to mention returning them to their orginal gear refines thts something which is possible i am sure by a GM atleast remove the orbs even u cant reduce the refines...... or so ....
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b:laughIT MAY SAY U HAVE A ONE YEAR BAN WHEN U TRY TO LOG IN GAME BUT CHECK UR EMAIL, THAT TELLS U WAT UR BAN IS LIKE 2 WEEK OR MORE, PPL STOP CRYING THAT U DIDNT GET ANY IT HAPPENS WE WERENT SUPPOSED TO GET ON ANY SERVER BUT ARCH SERVER....
IF U GET BANNED U GET BANNED, IF U DIDNT GET ORBS U DIDNT GET ANY. ALL U +12 LIKE MOST PPL THAT THINK THEY ALL THAT CAUSE THEY SPEND $5k ON THIS GAME GO SIT ON A EGG AND SPEND MORE OR BE QUIET. I HATE WHEN PPL COMPLAIN ABOUT STUPID STUFF GET A LIFE OUTSIDE GAME OR JUST PLAY IT....
LOVE U PWI & FELLOW PPL THAT PLAY SEEYA IN GAMEb:laughb:laughb:laughStop QQ'ing About Everythingb:shutupb:shockedb:cry0 -
Butthurt words.. is all I read. Thank God you are no one to judge my or any of my friends' integrity, so I really don't care if you believe what I or other people say or not... but it's not the point of this anyways, I'm not here to discuss ethics...
Instead of taking the opportunity to make a massive complaint on the latest problems the company has been having, you prefer to blame players that have nothing to do with the game's development/management.. they can't even make a compensation for archosaur without breaking all apart and needing to do even more fixing and **** even more, and you say you are unhappy and it's players' fault and they all should be punished and have their houses burnt blablabla lol ... sigh
Gladly, PWE won't take any of your senses of justice as reference to do what should be done, because they don't want to lose money, either one way or the other. They will try to balance for all sides and no side will be 100% happy, so you can just decide if you'll keep playing or not based on that.0 -
DefenderofDreams wrote: »UPDATE (11.27.13)
Response to a thread in which involves the compensation situation:
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UPDATE (11.25.13)
Questions and Answers
What is the punishment for players who blatantly abused the compensation code?
They will be banned.
I heard from Customer Service tickets that you are only banning players who are from Archosaur. Is this true?
No, I was confused about this when I heard about it. The customer service representatives were mis-informed on the punishment issue, and we're making sure everyone is now on the same page. We're banning players who abused the code no matter the server they are from.
What about the "targeted" compensation efforts for Archosaur only? Is that still happening?
Yes. We are getting everything set up now and verifying that it will go smoothly before we start sending in-game items to players on Archosaur. You can expect yours within the week.
Why is it Archosaur only now, and not all servers, as it was initially, when I missed my chance at the code?
First and foremost, Archosaur players were the ones we've wanted to make sure were compensated for the rollback, to the best of our ability. It was because of the rollback that we started focusing on a compensation campaign. We have 5x EXP going on for Archosaur, something we've never done before, as well as 2x EXP/SP/Drops AND Coin for all servers (also new).
Players on Archosaur now have the opportunity to gain more experience, spirit, drops, etc than they could have during the 3 days lost from the rollback, as these modifiers will be lasting into the next month. All servers were included in this decision because we wanted everyone to feel compensated for November's server connectivity issues as a whole.
(The initial compensation code for 5x HyperEXP Stones is now available for everyone: 3HTYJKE)
Following these initial actions, we still thought that for a rollback, our actions were not great enough. Many players lost refinement and thus power during the rollback, and so giving more exp/sp/drops/coins if you play wouldn't resolve their complaint.
Thus we came up with the compensation code that we all now are aware of.
Unfortunately, because of it's abuse we've had to cancel the cross-server compensation and refocus back on the initial goal of compensating Archosaur Rollback players.
Is there anything I can receive right now?
We've re-activated the initial compensation code that gives out 5x Hyper EXP Stones to players. It can be used once per account until NOVEMBER 30th
You can redeem it here once per account until NOVEMBER 30th : 3HTYJKE
There is no shouting with this one...
-DoD
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Mod edit because it appears people refuse to scroll down enough to read:
UPDATE:
We've disabled the code while we investigate the situation of code abuse.
^This is the reason why the code is saying it has expired when you try to enter it!
Hello Perfect World citizens!
We've finalized our compensation efforts for the past month of various issues that have affected many of you this holiday season.
-Redeem the following code to any character on any server for a collection of goodies including bound dragon orbs! The code is redeemable once per account.
6JMMAAB
Code ends on Sunday, November 24th @ 11:59 PM PST
We thank all of you who have stayed with us during these turbulent times, and please continue being awesome!
-PW Team
UPDATE:
We've disabled the code while we investigate the situation of code abuse.
UPDATE (11.22.13):
Here is what I was able to get:
- We will not be rolling back the servers.
- A highly focused and targeted Archosaur-specific compensation effort will be enacted.
- We will be punishing legitimate abusers of the compensation code who received far more than is possible from redemption page lag. We will be doing so in a detailed, focused manner which will make progress on punishments slower but more precise. So do not worry if you are one who got more orbs unintentionally. We do not want to penalize those who did not intend abuse of the system.
Regarding the level of abuse, from the data in front of us, it was not quite as widespread as many believe. It was mostly a few dozen or so who abused the code from means other than lag/timeouts. The perception of it being widespread is due to the unintentional in-game message spam distorting the situation, and nonfactual boasts in the forums or world chat.
This is the reason why there will not be a rollback.
Firstly,
People who abused code have got only a 2 week ban if the ban is so short i would like to ask you to be fair and give orbs to every1 and ban them for 2 weeks, these people have like 30-50 orbs thats a lot
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If your intend to keep the ban so short please remove the abused orbs from their accounts since there were only a few dozen of abusers you said, well maybe by now they already have used them and got their gear +10/+11/+12 even if that has happened reduce the refines to the state it was before they abused the orb code, if removing orbs/refines is not possible i would ask to please extend the ban considering that other people have paid tons for their refines of +10 and +11 and it wont be fair that people sit abuse the system and get +10 and +110
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