Need advice as a mystic in Full Warsong

Desdi - Sanctuary

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

Wep type for a magic class really really doesn't matter too much and does not warrant grabbing two different weps for healing and attacking.

The only weapon switching I'd be doing is between r9rr puri wep and r8r def level wep depending on the situation.

^ this in my opinion as well.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

Wep type for a magic class really really doesn't matter too much and does not warrant grabbing two different weps for healing and attacking.

The only weapon switching I'd be doing is between r9rr puri wep and r8r def level wep depending on the situation.

I think the logical consensus is the r8r wep for def swap (mainly PVP I suppose if the mystic is on support/heals) but that really isn't necessary for someone who has Reincarnation in Warsong. I pull full pavilions fine with that wep alone. b:chuckle

Even though that gear is pretty bad that OP linked to, it should be sufficient for defending fire/metal solo and being careful after defence if they're with someone who does significant pulls on AOE mobs (fire/metal mainly).

AlysonRose - Heavens Tear

I just tried wood for the first time. I think I like the best so far. At first I was worried at how narrow the path is, but this works to your favor.

Just keep the head stunned, sealed, or sleeping and kite it back and forth along the path. Due to the narrowness of the path it pretty much means that if you put out listless blossom, every mob will have to run through it. Bunch up a few and use whatever method strikes your fancy.

I pretty much just kept popping out devil, stunning the head, leeching devil popping listless and galeforce-ing everything. The mobs are pretty weak and easily kitable.

Seriously I don't think I'm overpowered, judging from NW anyways, so idk why everyone says metal and fire are the go to pavs for mystics. A wiz in our bh metal squad from a TW fac actually came and watched me doing wood, so I guess she was curious if or how I could do it b:chuckle

The last one to try is water, which everyone says is the hardest. So don't give up OP, eventually even without the best gear in the game you can crush WS with a mystic.

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I just tried water and the head was weak, so I was thinking easy mode. It would have been if all the mobs hadn't ignored me and reset themselves while I was attacking them. What exactly is their malfunction? I mean sure there are a lot of them, but why do they have to be the only mobs in the game that WILL NOT AGGRO ON THE PLAYER? They just ran past me oblivious and piled up at clearstream regening their health instantly. Is this some kind of failsafe to make sure that only OP toons that can out dps a resetting mobs uber regen can actually do that pavilion? GG PW.

Ufoundwaldo - Sanctuary

Currently full r999 pure mag mystic solo any pav but prior. using tt99's +7 weapon +5 armor tt99 robe and helm, solowing metal in narrow space is difficult but possible. fast charging genie and holy path. spam heals and gail force. also throw in some falling petals and a thickit when head gets close. otherwise wood his phsyical but is easy, fire is easy too.

Colum - Raging Tide

Kinda getting the metal pav now. Wood was a lot easier to solo but I can also defend metal till the end even though all mobs may not die when timer is finished. I found Cragglord more useful than thicket.

Brillance - Raging Tide

*ghost appears*

Learning Metal is a great idea. Its the one spot in FWS squads that you will see spammed for the most in WC.

Someone, it could be Bella, made a video showing them kiting the head to a place where you had enough room to keep him kited, and still fight the mobs. The char was better geared than R8, but not R9. Getting enough room to keep the head kited away from me was biggest problem there.

I blamed my gears, but after watching that vid - I realized I hadnt put enough thought into finding a proper kiting location. b:surrender

Would be cool if they could link it again. b:victory


*ghost moves on*

Colum - Raging Tide

Yeah I agree, it's the proper kiting position that makes metal hard since head seems not to give enough time for me to DD the mobs properly.

Xainou - Sanctuary

Tbh I've always wondered what people mean with "little kiting space" o_o You have the whole lane at your disposal. From the bend to the metal boss to the other end, behind the pavillion. Never had space issues. lol And as a mystic you got it easier with the freezes/sleep

Walpurga - Dreamweaver

Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »

Tbh I've always wondered what people mean with "little kiting space" o_o You have the whole lane at your disposal. From the bend to the metal boss to the other end, behind the pavillion. Never had space issues. lol And as a mystic you got it easier with the freezes/sleep

terrible idea. NPC attracts aggro like crazy. Acceptable kiting space is across the square in front of the pav, just go back and forth

MissCherie - Harshlands

Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »

*ghost appears*

Learning Metal is a great idea. Its the one spot in FWS squads that you will see spammed for the most in WC.

Someone, it could be Bella, made a video showing them kiting the head to a place where you had enough room to keep him kited, and still fight the mobs. The char was better geared than R8, but not R9. Getting enough room to keep the head kited away from me was biggest problem there.

I blamed my gears, but after watching that vid - I realized I hadnt put enough thought into finding a proper kiting location. b:surrender

Would be cool if they could link it again. b:victory


*ghost moves on*

Yes I did a video of wood/metal/fire, but I was using TT90 gears and a R8 weap to show that no need to be G16/R9 to defend a pav for mystic. (also was self buffed and no apo pots)

Quality is terrible, but here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DgmZdWzik8

Xainou - Sanctuary

Walpurga - Dreamweaver wrote: »

terrible idea. NPC attracts aggro like crazy. Acceptable kiting space is across the square in front of the pav, just go back and forth

Yea, not the space I mean. lol

Brillance - Raging Tide

MissCherie - Harshlands wrote: »

Yes I did a video of wood/metal/fire, but I was using TT90 gears and a R8 weap to show that no need to be G16/R9 to defend a pav for mystic. (also was self buffed and no apo pots)

Quality is terrible, but here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DgmZdWzik8

+1. That's the exact spot, the exact method to get there, and if you are lucky you can get the Head temporarily hung up for a bit on that 'big thing' in the center there. Awesome! Bravo!

b:thanks *ghost gives standing ovation* b:victory

ChevaIier - Harshlands

Seriously? You need to advice to do such....simple PVE? much complication? wow.

My suggestion: stop power leveling your characters, actually go through the process in learning your skills from level 1 - 99, and you wouldn't have any problem doing such an instance.

Brillance - Raging Tide

Some players look at MMO's as Virtual Amusement Parks, or places to relax, enjoy and have fun...while others look at them as Boot Camps. or places to try to prove something...or some such...

*ghost shrugs and leaves thread*

Xainou - Sanctuary

I don't see much amusement in failing at your class and people telling you that you do. Everyone starts as a newbie. But you're just being a pain in the **** if you don't even try to learn your class. Which is exactly what the OP is trying to do. Compeltely legit o_o

Brillance - Raging Tide

Sure, that's your opinion, and you are entitled to it.

If folks would prefer to see no one on their servers because they can't be asked to be tolerant and allow people to learn their class, then so be it. You guys usually get what you want, so cool, you know. Whatever benefits the game most, in my opinion. A few extra psuedo drill sargeants, or a few extra run-amuck Amusement Park visitors, either way, makes no difference to this ghost. *ghost shrugs* b:chuckle

Walpurga - Dreamweaver

ChevaIier - Harshlands wrote: »

Seriously? You need to advice to do such....simple PVE? much complication? wow.

My suggestion: stop power leveling your characters, actually go through the process in learning your skills from level 1 - 99, and you wouldn't have any problem doing such an instance.

Don't need to learn gg, PVE is easy

Got a 101 mystic with G15 gears, first day playing it successfully solo'd earth and wood

Would post video but I can't due to ToS b:avoid

Is in channel tho

ChevaIier - Harshlands

@Xainou and Brilliance

There's a reason why we have another thread "Do mystics have a lack of skill on your server...?". Just saying lol.

People need to TAKE THE TIME, play their characters and learn from experience through PVE. But too bad, power leveling characters through FC is the norm.

If you guys have played other MMO's, let's say -Youtube Online- for example, where you actually need to MANEUVER without getting one shot by the mob....I don't know how these kind of players would survive in other games if they can't handle simple, dumb PVE mobs PWI has lol.

Xainou - Sanctuary

ChevaIier - Harshlands wrote: »

If you guys have played other MMO's, let's say -Youtube Online- for example, where you actually need to MANEUVER without getting one shot by the mob....I don't know how these kind of players would survive in other games if they can't handle simple, dumb PVE mobs PWI has lol.

I totally agree with you. lol Having seen -SPARTA-, it's just ridiculous that people can't even learn their class on here xD

Brillance - Raging Tide

ChevaIier - Harshlands wrote: »

@Xainou and Brilliance

There's a reason why we have another thread "Do mystics have a lack of skill on your server...?". Just saying lol.

People need to TAKE THE TIME, play their characters and learn from experience through PVE. But too bad, power leveling characters through FC is the norm.

If you guys have played other MMO's, let's say -Youtube Online- for example, where you actually need to MANEUVER without getting one shot by the mob....I don't know how these kind of players would survive in other games if they can't handle simple, dumb PVE mobs PWI has lol.

Its very easy to call a mob 'easy' when your gears make him so. In fact, anyone can in theory increase their gears and complete something with ease.

TT90 is pretty impressive imho. Ive seen vids of R9s doing Metal Pav and not take any damage at all while kiting the Head around the NPC with no problems, easy peasy.

If the R9 method is supposed to impress me, Im sorry but it doesnt. Go figure, right? xD *shrugs*

Its very easy venturing far enough away from something you go there thinking you have to protect, in order to see there are better places you can do something. That's simple, why didnt someone do it without asking on the forums??

What are they lazy idiots?? They only power-level??

What other seemingly clever name can you call them to cover the fact you yourself have nothing to offer, other than personalities that really arent rare or in demand, lol. Go visit Agrammar, you'll see what I mean.

It seems to me the ones that are squawking the most about stupidity, are also the ones that have contributed the very least on these forums.

Certainly you have all been here long enough, and obviously claim to be elite enough to have made dozens of videos and positive contributions - where are they, haughty folks?

If people are to be so full of themselves, it is not out of line to inquire about why they think so highly of themselves.

Stroking your own epeen is hardly a skill last I checked.

Its more like a backside orrifice. Everyone can do it, everyones got same piece of equipment, everyone can pull their drawers down and show everyone else there's.

As proof, you can get a college degree in Canoeing if you want to and many other seemingly useless subjects - but what institution offers degrees in showing your backside?

None. Enough said. ^.^

In the end, unlike those that want to pretend to discover what everyone else has known for a long while all on their own, and cant understand why any social interaction is asked for at all, shows a fault in the personality of the person making said comments. Those people obviously have issues feeling like they fit in, a lack of confidence, and a complete fear deep down of what they truly are - a possible failure at life.

Some people play MMOs fully aware that we will meet others that *might* want to socialize.

Perhaps MMOs are not the best use of such players time, lol.

Its obviously very easy to pretend you popped from your mother's womb with full knowledge of this game. Everybody with a backside orrifice apparently does it. b:chuckle

*ghost leaves you...for now*

Xainou - Sanctuary

... and this is why we can't have a nice discussion in the mystic forums.

ChevaIier - Harshlands

Actually I learned how to play this game without the use of any* forums and have never had an issue ever from level 1 - 99 and obtaining the gear that I have today (with no CS, I might add, not "instant OP"). Why? Because I took the time to learn my skills through PVE from either this character or previous characters I've owned before this one. If you're looking for an advice from an "Elite" player as you described, my sole advice is: Explore


Explore your character, read the description, practice, practice and practice. If it doesn't work for you one time, try again. Not everyone has a concrete playstyle. My style is created by myself and by exploring.

Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »

Its very easy to call a mob 'easy' when your gears make him so. In fact, anyone can in theory increase their gears and complete something with ease.

TT90 is pretty impressive imho. Ive seen vids of R9s doing Metal Pav and not take any damage at all while kiting the Head around the NPC with no problems, easy peasy.

If the R9 method is supposed to impress me, Im sorry but it doesnt. Go figure, right? xD *shrugs*

Its very easy venturing far enough away from something you go there thinking you have to protect, in order to see there are better places you can do something. That's simple, why didnt someone do it without asking on the forums??

What are they lazy idiots?? They only power-level??

What other seemingly clever name can you call them to cover the fact you yourself have nothing to offer, other than personalities that really arent rare or in demand, lol. Go visit Agrammar, you'll see what I mean.

It seems to me the ones that are squawking the most about stupidity, are also the ones that have contributed the very least on these forums.

Certainly you have all been here long enough, and obviously claim to be elite enough to have made dozens of videos and positive contributions - where are they, haughty folks?

If people are to be so full of themselves, it is not out of line to inquire about why they think so highly of themselves.

Stroking your own epeen is hardly a skill last I checked.

Its more like a backside orrifice. Everyone can do it, everyones got same piece of equipment, everyone can pull their drawers down and show everyone else there's.

As proof, you can get a college degree in Canoeing if you want to and many other seemingly useless subjects - but what institution offers degrees in showing your backside?

None. Enough said. ^.^

In the end, unlike those that want to pretend to discover what everyone else has known for a long while all on their own, and cant understand why any social interaction is asked for at all, shows a fault in the personality of the person making said comments. Those people obviously have issues feeling like they fit in, a lack of confidence, and a complete fear deep down of what they truly are - a possible failure at life.

Some people play MMOs fully aware that we will meet others that *might* want to socialize.

Perhaps MMOs are not the best use of such players time, lol.

Its obviously very easy to pretend you popped from your mother's womb with full knowledge of this game. Everybody with a backside orrifice apparently does it. b:chuckle

*ghost leaves you...for now*

For the record. I did this when I had Sinrabansho +9, R8 gear with TT90 pants. I failed my first time but my 2nd time I succeeded and kept improving ever since then. Reading forums and begging for help won't make you a better player, but hands-on experience will. Next time read my post and try to interpret the in depth meaning before shutting it down and calling me a R9RR player trash (who needs his epeen stroked apparently) and does everything with ease.

Brillance - Raging Tide

ChevaIier - Harshlands wrote: »

Actually I learned how to play this game without the use of mystic forums and have never had an issue ever from level 1 - 99 and obtaining the gear that I have today (with no CS, I might add, not "instant OP"). Why? Because I took the time to learn my skills through PVE from either this character or previous characters I've owned before this one. If you're looking for an advice from an "Elite" player as you described, my sole advice is: Explore


Explore your character, read the description, practice, practice and practice. If it doesn't work for you one time, try again. Not everyone has a concrete playstyle. My style is created by myself and by exploring.

Fair enough. So, you only use forums to poke fun at players that dont approach the game just like you?

Why would you assume I power-level, especially when I am the only one these forums pretending to even know about it ? I know you both do know about it too. Is it too uncool now, to beneath you, to pass that knowledge on?

I dont having a problem with while Im here being use to either bolster a faultering ego, or just to give you a few giggles. I can easily fend for myself most places, but Im curious what you truely walk away from that behavior with?

Most new players (and I dont believe there are any, but the current posters on this forum would lead us to believe so, lol) are asking questions you both (Xainou as well) should find easy to simply answer.

ChevaIier - Harshlands

Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »

Fair enough. So, you only use forums to poke fun at players that dont approach the game just like you?

Why would you assume I power-level, especially when I am the only one these forums pretending to even know about it ? I know you both do know about it too. Is it too uncool now, to beneath you, to pass that knowledge on?

I dont having a problem with while Im here being use to either bolster a faultering ego, or just to give you a few giggles. I can easily fend for myself most places, but Im curious what you truely walk away from that behavior with?

Most new players (and I dont believe there are any, but the current posters on this forum would lead us to believe so, lol) are asking questions you both (Xainou as well) should find easy to simply answer.

I do not view my "Do not power level", "Explore your own character", "Use your brain" comments as making fun of players lol. I think you have an issue with taking what people say and confabulating them with your own imaginative perspectives.

Brillance - Raging Tide

ChevaIier - Harshlands wrote: »

I do not view my "Do not power level", "Explore your own character", "Use your brain" comments as making fun of players lol. I think you have an issue with taking what people say and confabulating them with your own imaginative perspectives.

And to that I will quote my boss, "The proof is in the pudding!" >.<

*ghost waves farewell* b:bye

Colum - Raging Tide

ChevaIier - Harshlands wrote: »

Seriously? You need to advice to do such....simple PVE? much complication? wow.

My suggestion: stop power leveling your characters, actually go through the process in learning your skills from level 1 - 99, and you wouldn't have any problem doing such an instance.

You're right, I do not necessarily NEED the advice, but I prefer to ask for one because I admit other people may have greater strategies than my own ones.

First off, my main is barbarian, NOT mystic.

Secondly, mystic is the first class I've tried metal on. I do fire on cleric but that's a whole different story and strategies. I'm not used to kiting. I don't like it. I tank. Therefore HAVING to kite is frustrating to me and probably the "greatest" challenge in PVE. However, I rather ask advice here from those who have played mystic longer and then build my own style at my own time.

Thirdly, I've never powerleveled.

ChevaIier - Harshlands wrote: »

@Xainou and Brilliance

There's a reason why we have another thread "Do mystics have a lack of skill on your server...?". Just saying lol.

People need to TAKE THE TIME, play their characters and learn from experience through PVE. But too bad, power leveling characters through FC is the norm.

If you guys have played other MMO's, let's say -Youtube Online- for example, where you actually need to MANEUVER without getting one shot by the mob....I don't know how these kind of players would survive in other games if they can't handle simple, dumb PVE mobs PWI has lol.

That thread happens to be written by me as well.

I also do not understand how any lvl 1-99 content teaches you to kite succesfully in metal pavillion and handle it with somewhat bad damage. My defenses are good, damage is not.

Zoldi - Morai

According to me, asking for advice on the forum is really not a negative thing. Obviously you can discover a lot of things by yourself but in the same time you can't discover everything by yourself (or let's say that it would take a lot of time). In addition to that, I think this is really great to compare different methods or different point of views.

Talking about me, I did almost every quest in this game from level 1 to 105, never had been powerleveled, just being helped for culti. When I was level 80-90, I was doing most of my quests wih level 60-70 gears. I did my first FC when I was 95+ with a squad of my level, then when I was 99-100 I only went to duo fc with someone same level to me. I soloed my first fc when I was still R8 (I had good refines though and it was not fast).
Why am I saying that ? Because despite that, I often came to this forum to read guides/points of views/whatever. On my server there were really few mystics so since I couldn't share information there, I came here to try to improve myself.
It was mostly for PVP but I also learnt some things here about PVE (and probably stil can learn a lot of things)

And anyway the opening post in that thread was not a dumb question at all. It was quite constructive (he was talking about his backward, his weaknesses and what he already tried) and I prefer seeing someone come here to ask that kind of questions rather than see people that don't even try to improve themselves or that are too stuborn.

Colum - Raging Tide

I personally like seeing different views an comparing the to what I've experienced by myself. I want to improve and not only by my own methods - I also want to know what OTHERS do and why and use those ways that suit my own playstyle.

MissCherie - Harshlands

I think that yes people should learn their class in game, but we always learn stuff on forum.

There's a few thing the forum did teach me, maybe not on how to play my mystic, but stuff like bramble proc lucky break, tbh I never really did realize that before saw it on forum.

CapnK - Sanctuary

Sure are a lot of ghosts around here who said they weren't going to post on the forums anymore.

@Colum, you can play mystic as an up close and personal tank (former BM, so I understand the desire to be up in the middle of things). But that requires a respectable level of gear. Maybe around 10k+ pdef so the head doesn't do much damage and a decent supply of hp.

If your gear is not at that level you will need to do some kiting/controlling in Warsong to succeed.