BP and archers

Myisho - Dreamweaver

Isn't it about time archers can get bp as well we are ranged class i know but also we are a melee class.All other melee classes can get bp why not archers b:chuckle

Ursa - Dreamweaver

nope, it's all good.
BP on that class would be a cancer.

Asterelle - Sanctuary

I'd rather they remove BP entirely since it doesn't belong in the game.
It's not necessary in any circumstance and if you really need heals for whatever you are doing you should bring a cleric / mystic.

In any case it only works with melee type skills (the ones that trigger bramble damage) so archers would only get BP back with wingspan, winged pledge, and normal attack with unarmed / melee weapons.

Xainou - Sanctuary

Not this again...

y4kuzi

Myisho - Dreamweaver wrote: »

...we are ranged class i know but also we are a melee class.All other melee classes can get bp why not archers b:chuckle

Because you are a ranged class. Duh. Stupid?

Burnificator - Archosaur

Knife Throw is ranged and still gives BP heals. That's my two cents.
This is just being a smartass though, so here are the actual points:

Archers can hit HARD. 2% off BP means for every 50k you hit you get 1k heals.
On a side note, imagine a wizard with BP (assuming BP works with spells). Crit on something for 80k, get 2% back = 1.6k heals. With decent channeling you can spam regular spells that hit for say 30k every second or so = 600 hp/sec heals. This makes the wizard pretty much invincible against anything short of a oneshot and doesn't require 5APS or (RR)R9.

Second point, aka "why ranged characters shouldn't have BP":

The classes that DO get BP are taking damage almost continuously unlike
a) archers, psychics and wizards who can kite (archers also get decent evasion)
b)mystics and venos who have their pet soak up the damage.

Bottom line is, the melee classes need these heals more since they take more damage.

Of course this doesn't hold when talking about combat versus ranged mobs/players, but BP doesn't help much there as it is.

And then there's sage BP...

Titoto - Raging Tide

The fact that you guys can kills things before them even knowing you are in the area makes me annoyed that u want BP. -.-

Zoldi - Morai

Yeah do that, then give it to mystics as well b:surrender

Burnificator - Archosaur

Titoto - Raging Tide wrote: »

The fact that you guys can kills things before them even knowing you are in the area makes me annoyed that u want BP. -.-

This adds very nicely to the points I made. BP is fine as it is.
/thread

TZoner - Raging Tide

Yes plz and while were at it give psys bp too i mean who doesnt need bp **** it just give bp to everyone and say **** logic b:chuckle

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

Myisho - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Isn't it about time archers can get bp as well we are ranged class i know but also we are a melee class.All other melee classes can get bp why not archers b:chuckle

Do you have a sin, bm, or barb? If so, how much does the BP buff heal you for when using a bow?

No further questions, your honour.

I'm not against archers or any class having BP (I long thought it was fair for fox form veno's who hit melee to have BP as well) so long as it's kept within the constraints of melee attacks.

The benefits of such attacks are lessening, not only with boss changes, but with skill/debuff changes/additions that aren't as friendly to melee attacks than others.

Myisho - Dreamweaver

you guys cant you see the b:chuckle i just thought i would post some thing to give you guys some thing to do b:victory

Burnificator - Archosaur

TZoner - Raging Tide wrote: »

Yes plz and while were at it give psys bp too i mean who doesnt need bp **** it just give bp to everyone and say **** logic b:chuckle

What the hell, give BP to pets.

Kittysama - Raging Tide_1432680721

Kitty thinks they should make BP receivable by all classes, but only affect attacks considered melee(like skills of melee classes and autoattack with anything else than ranged weapons). To do this they would just need to add rest of classes to allowed classes for BP, melee restriction seems to be already coded in as sins already don't get BP heals from attacking with bow. This would be helpful change especially for HA-venos and fist archers. f:grin

AliceAdams - Lost City

Kittysama - Raging Tide wrote: »

Kitty thinks they should make BP receivable by all classes, but only affect attacks considered melee(like skills of melee classes and autoattack with anything else than ranged weapons). To do this they would just need to add rest of classes to allowed classes for BP, melee restriction seems to be already coded in as sins already don't get BP heals from attacking with bow. This would be helpful change especially for HA-venos and fist archers. f:grin

This is exactly what I was going to say.

I have sage BP and think it should be an all-class buff. Those other classes should only benefit when using melee weapons/attacks.

And NO it won't make clerics obsolete or less useful.

LodeJunior - Archosaur

Then why seeker range attacks get BP? Is that considered melee? So if ranged are not supposed to get heals from bp then seeker ranged skills should not be getting heals as well.

Kittysama - Raging Tide_1432680721

LodeJunior - Archosaur wrote: »

Then why seeker range attacks get BP? Is that considered melee? So if ranged are not supposed to get heals from bp then seeker ranged skills should not be getting heals as well.

Seeker's range attacks are considered melee, just like BM's range attacks. They just have slightly longer range. If BP was taken off from these "ranged" attacks, BMs wouldn't be too happy either as they have at least 5 range skills if Kitty's counted right.

E: Forgot to mention Headhunt(short-range sin skill), Ancestral Rage, Berserker's Wrath and Bestial Onslaught(ranged barb skills) that get BP heals too. There's many ranged melee attacks o,o

Fae_Harpy - Archosaur

I think it is kind of bias that archers can't get BP. I know there is a lot of arguments as to why not, but when you look at those reasons they actually don't make sense. Lets break them down.

Archers hit too hard and would receive too much health back:
We hit hard but not fast. On average any sin or fist BM can do 4 attacks to our 1. So over those 4 attacks they are receiving the same about of HP back that we would in one hit.

Archers are ranged, therefore not melee:
That doesn't stop my seeker. If she can use BP while attacking from 20 meters, why not my archer.

Would give archers an unfair advantage:
Currently archers are the only class in game that have no type of self heal, whether it be a skill they can use to heal or something gained from another class (Blood Paint). We have to rely solely on apoths or a healer. By allowing us BP that would put us on a more even playing field.

That being said, I personally think it's pointless to give archers BP; I can't see it being very effective in how the class is meant to be played. Far better for them to improve winged shell, give it maybe a bramble affect in PvP or better yet instead of absorbing damage have it work as a over time heal (similar to a self cast IH). I always thought it rather ironic a class that shares it's home with clerics has no self heal to speak of. You'd think those clerics would have taught them at least one or two healing spells.

bobyjoee

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

I'd rather they remove BP entirely since it doesn't belong in the game.
It's not necessary in any circumstance and if you really need heals for whatever you are doing you should bring a cleric / mystic.

In any case it only works with melee type skills (the ones that trigger bramble damage) so archers would only get BP back with wingspan, winged pledge, and normal attack with unarmed / melee weapons.

Please do not listen to her pwe, as that is a terrible idea, and a backwards thought.


Doesn't belong in the game? lol.

its not necessary in any circumstance? lol.

Not everyone has access to a cleric or mystic.

DionDagger - Dreamweaver

Fae_Harpy - Archosaur wrote: »

I think it is kind of bias that archers can't get BP. I know there is a lot of arguments as to why not, but when you look at those reasons they actually don't make sense. Lets break them down.

Archers hit too hard and would receive too much health back:
We hit hard but not fast. On average any sin or fist BM can do 4 attacks to our 1. So over those 4 attacks they are receiving the same about of HP back that we would in one hit.

Archer's out Dps everyone in a squad with similar wep refines, even sins. They would in fact, heal more than melee classes, from 30 meters away >.>. That's broken as **. Also to add to injury, ranged mob attacks are a lot slower than melee attacks, normally a 4:1 ratio. It's not that archers hit too hard, they can also be aps, and do it from a futher range than seekers. It's a combination of those things why archers should not be allowed to use BP at range, they also have the highest physical attack in game, about 2.5-3x that of sins with similar refines

Archers are ranged, therefore not melee:
That doesn't stop my seeker. If she can use BP while attacking from 20 meters, why not my archer.

Would give archers an unfair advantage:
Currently archers are the only class in game that have no type of self heal, whether it be a skill they can use to heal or something gained from another class (Blood Paint). We have to rely solely on apoths or a healer. By allowing us BP that would put us on a more even playing field.

That being said, I personally think it's pointless to give archers BP; I can't see it being very effective in how the class is meant to be played. Far better for them to improve winged shell, give it maybe a bramble affect in PvP or better yet instead of absorbing damage have it work as a over time heal (similar to a self cast IH). I always thought it rather ironic a class that shares it's home with clerics has no self heal to speak of. You'd think those clerics would have taught them at least one or two healing spells.

Response in blue. I would not mind if archers got it while wearing claw/fist, because then they recieve the same chance of damage we do, but from range? ** that. Seekers also can't auto attack and recieve the same BP heals, which is why their spells are used more, hence why they are allowed BP from range IMO.

Eoria - Harshlands

Given all the anti-aps updates and how easy it would be to just make a 4/5aps sin nowadays which will probably survive a lot better due to sin skills, I don't know why anyone would bother making a fist/claw archer.

Longknife - Harshlands

Myisho - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Isn't it about time archers can get bp as well we are ranged class i know but also we are a melee class.All other melee classes can get bp why not archers b:chuckle

Are you implying your arrow would pierce the enemy and the blood spray would conveniently spray back directly into your mouth giving you sweet, sweet nourishment and sustinance?

Why, that's just silly.

Ursa - Dreamweaver

Fae_Harpy - Archosaur wrote: »

I think it is kind of bias that archers can't get BP. I know there is a lot of arguments as to why not, but when you look at those reasons they actually don't make sense. Lets break them down.

Archers hit too hard and would receive too much health back:
We hit hard but not fast. On average any sin or fist BM can do 4 attacks to our 1. So over those 4 attacks they are receiving the same about of HP back that we would in one hit.
ok, cool, give BP to wizards too, fair?
Archers are ranged, therefore not melee:
That doesn't stop my seeker. If she can use BP while attacking from 20 meters, why not my archer.
it's 20m, which is in AoE range of most bosses
Would give archers an unfair advantage:
Currently archers are the only class in game that have no type of self heal, whether it be a skill they can use to heal or something gained from another class (Blood Paint). We have to rely solely on apoths or a healer. By allowing us BP that would put us on a more even playing field.
archers are also the class that have the highest evasion ingame. MAYBE it's for a reason? ijs.

That being said, I personally think it's pointless to give archers BP; I can't see it being very effective in how the class is meant to be played. Far better for them to improve winged shell, give it maybe a bramble affect in PvP or better yet instead of absorbing damage have it work as a over time heal (similar to a self cast IH). I always thought it rather ironic a class that shares it's home with clerics has no self heal to speak of. You'd think those clerics would have taught them at least one or two healing spells.

No healing spells for u!
b:laughb:chuckle

Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary

The most annoying thing is decreased close range dmg, heck take out an arrow from the holder and stab with it if you must, in some cases, knockback doesn't even work in 1 of the BH`s, think it was seat, before it was also aba, but after revamp it works there. BP would be too much overkill considering archers are beasts in PVP.

Quilue - Sanctuary

Looka all these **** excuses to not give archers BP on melee attacks lol.

If BP could be applied to all classes, you think it would work for ranged spells and attacks? Just like how BP works on sins and BMs wielding bows right? That's what I thought.

Just admit it, you guys don't want anything advantageous for any other class. Any little bit of non-factor improvement makes you insecure.

Gertha - Archosaur

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

Looka all these **** excuses to not give archers BP on melee attacks lol.

If BP could be applied to all classes, you think it would work for ranged spells and attacks? Just like how BP works on sins and BMs wielding bows right? That's what I thought.

Just admit it, you guys don't want anything advantageous for any other class. Any little bit of non-factor improvement makes you insecure.

How come archers are the ones who actually complain, but call others "pussies", lol. If it is a non-factor, you can do just fine without it.

Quilue - Sanctuary

For how many years have Venos QQed about Bramble being "nerfed?"

I wouldn't care personally. All BP applied to archers would do is make a small part of PvE easier, and only for the few that still go claws.

Yet people try to come up with reasons why it'd supposedly be OP, even bringing **** like archer evasion into arguments.

Just pointing out your insecurities don't be mad!

Gertha - Archosaur

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

For how many years have Venos QQed about Bramble being "nerfed?"

It works in NW anyway, so nevermind... And venos deal significantly lower damage than most casters, as a fair tradeoff for having pets and, well, maybe bramble too. Even though legendary pets are not that OP any more and you don't automatically have them as a veno... So if archers could have BP, devs would have to nerf their range or uber-damage instead.
P.S. Not my personal insecurities, I'm a measly mid-level who goes to NW as cannon fodder for tokens, lol. So I can't even care if archers have BP or not, but I see what people feel about it.

Euthymius - Heavens Tear

Okay everyone, look under your chairs...
Bloodpaint! Free Bloodpaint for everyone!
Archers get Bloodpaint
Venomancers get Bloodpaint
EVERYONE GETS BLOODPAINT!!!!!!!
PARTY TIME \o/

HeavenxDoom - Lost City

hej everyone lets give venos bramble in pk


veno can bramble everyone and all will have bramble


sound fair right not broken at all


neither is bp in pve right

MrJohnDoe - Dreamweaver

Hilarious thread.