PWI still has hope.
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Apostasy - Raging Tide wrote: »And only minutes after all that wall of text speech *applause* ... there is some "reincarnation" system they want to implement... please tell me this is not true, that somehow, this "reincarnation" thing is a hoax even b:beatup
Nope, but as long as this reincarnation doesnt involve leveling up over and over again. It should be just fine0 -
Apostasy - Raging Tide wrote: »And only minutes after all that wall of text speech *applause* ... there is some "reincarnation" system they want to implement... please tell me this is not true, that somehow, this "reincarnation" thing is a hoax even b:beatup
Doesn't seem like a "hoax". I'm guessing it'll be optional though, so those who want to return to level 1 and frost their way back up for additional points/skills can do it, and those who aren't interested can stay the way they are.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]Remember: OP may be a duck|OP/GMs/Devs may not deliver|Search function is your friend|Lurk more|Be wary of Mods: they can't be trusted|This place isn't a hugbox|Your tears sustain me|Know what Bait is|"Soon" may never come|Postcount, Dubs, and other GETs are important|Don't revive long dead threads|There is a section for everything|You can be banned for anything|No Fun Allowed outside of OT|Sweetiebot rules OT|"Circlejerks" are inevitable|Threads can be derailed and saved|Those who use"XD" should off themselves at their earliest convenience|0 -
You fell for that one too huh?Apostasy - Raging Tide wrote: »So what the "fanboys" happen to notice, is the old designers/programmers (w/e Archosaur Studios consists of) have at least the potential to fix things, to set things that are screwed up right, to possibly balance the classes, etc, etc... At least, it has been the excuse we have heard again and again through the grapevines... That the team dealing with these aspects of PWI can not "get into" the codes properly. But Archosaur Studios, supposedly... can. This, if true of course, could be as an epiphany to PWI... a true enlightening... a Renaissance of PWI. This would be great, and IS something to hope for. Nothing to do with being a "fanboy."
What game saving / game enlightening fixes do you believe that Arch studios can implement that the new devs couldn't do?
Anything that manifests itself as something other than exaggerated hype?
You mean "quest" their way up again..Euthymius - Heavens Tear wrote: »Doesn't seem like a "hoax". I'm guessing it'll be optional though, so those who want to return to level 1 and frost their way back up for additional points/skills can do it, and those who aren't interested can stay the way they are.
trolololo
It's interesting how these developers are given saintly status despite clearly not having say-so as to the content that goes into the game relative to shortening it's overall lifespan.0 -
JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »
You mean "quest" their way up again..
trolololo
Welp *crackes nuckles* time to camp the level 30 areas again.0 -
Crazybladema - Harshlands wrote: »Who said its just an associates degree? That was a while ago when I got the degree. Also, later feel up to answering a few questions?
Always. And I never made an assumption of it being all you have. I laughed about it being trotted out as relevant.Crazybladema - Harshlands wrote: »Why do you feel the need to defend pwi?
I feel no such need. I tire of the constant whining and bashing anyone who deigns to continue to enjoy the game.Crazybladema - Harshlands wrote: »Why do you view my criticism as poison? Does this Criticism offend you and if so why?
Well aren't you just the center of the universe? Re-read my post where I specifically didn't target anyone. I wouldn't have even noticed you if you hadn't gone out of the way to deliver a personal attack instead of discussing the issue. The poison was that nastiness you needed to rely on to reply to my statement of optimism. Yeah, that's poison. It's boorish and low-brow. Now let me preempt what I would predict to be the response to that statement: I commented on your post, not on your personal attributes. I don't go there. For all I know you're a gentleman. The post, though, was not indicative of such.Crazybladema - Harshlands wrote: »Are you addicted to pwi, yes or no and why?
When did you start playing pwi and for how long?
I'm going to decline your probe into my personal information. I have no reason to entrust you with my data and I see no justification for you to need it. I've been around long enough to accumulate a stable of mounts and long enough to know the history of the game.Crazybladema - Harshlands wrote: »Also, why do you perceive my criticism as an ad hominem?
Perhaps you should look up the phrase. From the Latin meaning "to the man" it describes a response to an argument/debate that features commentary on the other debater. "Fanboys" can be construed in no other way.Crazybladema - Harshlands wrote: »I would like answers in paragraph form, double spaced as well for easy reading.
Do you now? Well isn't that special?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Thank you for the replies Glen. I will need a greater sample but I guess that's fine for now. I may also need to sample differently. Asking questions like this needs to be done in such a way where there Is no bais. Also, other data may be useful as well.0
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JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »You mean "quest" their way up again..
trolololo
Hehe~
Well, some did complain that "there was no one populating the lower level areas" so I guess this is their answer. Would be amusing if it were forced so we can see just how many are going to be willing to grind/quest while the others Frost up from the get-go.What game saving / game enlightening fixes do you believe that Arch studios can implement that the new devs couldn't do?
Anything that manifests itself as something other than exaggerated hype?
This. Sure, they're probably a bit more familiar with the code, and that makes them less likely to cause problems and break things, but they're still under Wanmei's thumb and PWE's management hasn't changed from what we know of.
I can't figure out why this update is being seen as "the best update evar!!!1" by some, just because they're back. This isn't the second coming of Pan Gu; they could fix and break things all the same, and make promises that never come to fruition too. (see:signature)
Call it cynicism if you'd like, but I simply doubt that their return and upheaval of what we've currently got going on will make things "better" again. Too much has happened over the past few years for the issues of the past and present to be so easily resolved
As I said before:
Euthymius - Heavens Tear wrote: »
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Sadly i can never really quit pwi i like it too much. I met my irl wife on here and tbh it is a great and fun game. As for saving it......tbh it doesn't need saving it needs better communication. They shouldn't be removing stuff like they are doing with DQ with no warning and thinking we won't notice. They need to listen to the players more but they wont really do that either unless it truly benefits them. It is extremely sad that even the moderators have had to get on to the forums and rip pwi open for not warning us players about these kind of changes ahead of time. The biggest issue atm with the game if you ask any average gamer that has played for a decent time (of course at least what im about to say applies to my server im not sure about other servers) they will tell u the biggest problem is the cost of stuff... with so many people CSing like crazy and going full r9rr they are constantly raising the prices of in game stuff to suit their insane spending wants. In the end its all about us the players. The more we express our concerns of the game the more likely they will listen....well we can hope cant we?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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sorry but no there isn't much hope even with the old dev's coming back not unless they have some way of taking the power creep out of the cash shop and completely rebalancing gear vs. player skill. Even with the old Dev's coming in on this next expansion (IF we even get this expansion in our version or what parts of it we will get we don't know yet if any) the server populations speak for themselves theres probably a total of around 500-800 unique ip's logging in daily at this point per server if that and theres not a large influx of new players coming to the game now adays either.0
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*Reads the title*
*Chuckles and types a reply*
What's the old saying? ..... Oh yes, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.
In our case.... PW is the horse and not only did they not drink the water, they turned around and donkey kicked us.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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A lot of things are still speculative at this point, and we haven't even considered what fixes might come after this upcoming expansion. So I'm not sure what Janus wants from us, here. :P Were I to tell him that Arch Studios feasibly could fix the game, it would be in ways that he certainly wouldn't prefer and would just as soon dismiss as soon as he heard them. Given that, I see no reason to humor him.Euthymius - Heavens Tear wrote: »This. Sure, they're probably a bit more familiar with the code, and that makes them less likely to cause problems and break things, but they're still under Wanmei's thumb and PWE's management hasn't changed from what we know of.
I can't figure out why this update is being seen as "the best update evar!!!1" by some, just because they're back. This isn't the second coming of Pan Gu; they could fix and break things all the same, and make promises that never come to fruition too. (see:signature)
Call it cynicism if you'd like, but I simply doubt that their return and upheaval of what we've currently got going on will make things "better" again. Too much has happened over the past few years for the issues of the past and present to be so easily resolved
Very few, if any people are acting like this is the second coming. There's virtually no one on this forum who doesn't have at least a little cynicism in them, not after all the strangle-worthy stupidity and ignorance displayed both by wanmei and PWE over the years. But once in a blue moon a positive update does comes along, and when some of us choose to indulge in a bit of non-cynical speculation on it, oh my god, suddenly we've broken the rules and angered the invisible forum gods.
Funny how in this thread we're "fanboys," whereas in every other thread we're QQers/whiners/complainers/malcontents. Kinda strikes you as the opposite of what a fanboy does, don't you think?
Anyway, in lieu of a direct response to Janus I'll just quote Apostasy, because he and GlenRoss pretty much won the thread already:Apostasy - Raging Tide wrote: »Maybe, just maybe... PWE/Wanmei has done it's number crunching... if it has... then they would see that there is more $ for them by trying to provide a real game, rather than some wrenching cash cow machine, squeezing out every last penny of every last player they can...[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Yes, I'm still a stubborn holdout in favor of the old game. Haters gonna hate. ;]
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And some naive people believe this will magically change going back to the old developers. b:chuckleLolgasmic - Raging Tide wrote: »*Reads the title*
*Chuckles and types a reply*
What's the old saying? ..... Oh yes, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.
In our case.... PW is the horse and not only did they not drink the water, they turned around and donkey kicked us.0 -
5 years ago : gold price was 150k , dq21 drop rewarded 1500gold
tt 90 +5 was considered endgame , with like 2 or 3 8june ppl on server
one could actually identify the guy one is fighting by his weapon
but most important : there was no general mindset, that everything in the game has to be done solo - to be rewarding.
this + anni packs + dragon fire packs kinda killed it in my opinionb:surrenderb:surrender0 -
Szol - Harshlands wrote: »5 years ago : gold price was 150k , dq21 drop rewarded 1500gold
tt 90 +5 was considered endgame , with like 2 or 3 8june ppl on server
one could actually identify the guy one is fighting by his weapon
but most important : there was no general mindset, that everything in the game has to be done solo - to be rewarding.
this + anni packs + dragon fire packs kinda killed it in my opinionb:surrenderb:surrender
The golden days of pwi...0 -
Yep, there were no herc venos soloing FB's, BH's, TT instances, etc.Szol - Harshlands wrote: »5 years ago : gold price was 150k , dq21 drop rewarded 1500gold
tt 90 +5 was considered endgame , with like 2 or 3 8june ppl on server
one could actually identify the guy one is fighting by his weapon
but most important : there was no general mindset, that everything in the game has to be done solo - to be rewarding.
this + anni packs + dragon fire packs kinda killed it in my opinionb:surrenderb:surrender
The good ol' golden age.. /nostalgia
Oh wait.0 -
A golden age doesn't have to be a perfect age. The game wasn't perfect in 2009, and that was one of the reasons why, for sure.JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »Yep, there were no herc venos soloing FB's, BH's, TT instances, etc.
The good ol' golden age.. /nostalgia
Oh wait.
That being said, I've never known a 2009-geared veno to be able to solo TT/FB/etc in even a fraction of the time that an aps farmer can do it today. That time investment kept soloism down to a dull roar in the old days.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Yes, I'm still a stubborn holdout in favor of the old game. Haters gonna hate. ;]
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JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »And some naive people believe this will magically change going back to the old developers. b:chuckle
No need to invent a discussion opponent who is stupidly naive, no matter how convenient to rebut that is.
Nobody believes in the aforestated "magic". Some of us simply decline to declare failure at the first announcement of an attempted improvement, before the first changes are even in evidence.
Doe that make us stupid and naive or the other side cynical and bitter?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »Yep, there were no herc venos soloing FB's, BH's, TT instances, etc.
The good ol' golden age.. /nostalgia
Oh wait.
So your interpretation of the other side is that if we want SOME THINGS to return to the way they were then we are forced to want EVERYTHING as it was? That's a straw man. You've set up a false opposing argument that you can ridicule and knock down, thumping your chest in victory.
The problem is that strawmen are obvious and ineffectual among people who actual consider the issue. Many of those who take your side will line up behind the argument, whether or not they recognize it as fallacious. The other side and the undecided can see the logical pratfall, for the most part.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
What I really think this comes down to is:GlenRoss - Archosaur wrote: »No need to invent a discussion opponent who is stupidly naive, no matter how convenient to rebut that is.
Nobody believes in the aforestated "magic". Some of us simply decline to declare failure at the first announcement of an attempted improvement, before the first changes are even in evidence.
Doe that make us stupid and naive or the other side cynical and bitter?
1) Some select few posters here see opportunity given the populace of malcontents post here far more often than otherwise. This is an F2P industry standard. Only a few games forum's I've ever seen (that aren't moderated in military-esque fashion) in this industry have been otherwise.
2) The failures in respect to making the game short-lived and catering specifically to endgame content have been noted for years. There's a difference between "possibility" and "probability" of dumping the way PWI is maintained currently to the contemporary wishes of an extremely vocal and small group of players.
3) Some changes, such as Cube Room 38 chrono quest, have given some a bit of excessive confidence that they can suddenly become backseat developers of PWI and can dictate they know what's best without proving it by providing a better product.
4) You guys aren't the only ones cynical and bitter, just far more unrealistic and more susceptible to hype or fantasy scenarios given your stated views and opinions. I'm glad you decline to make any judgment call but most of those who have went by Wanmei's historical way of changing things in PWI.
5) I must continue to re-emphasize this piece of advice, enjoy PWI for what it is (instead of endlessly complain/QQ about what it's not), or play something else.
Herc venos were pretty popular, and those who weren't herc veno's tended to group with them because of their ability to solo.GlenRoss - Archosaur wrote: »So your interpretation of the other side is that if we want SOME THINGS to return to the way they were then we are forced to want EVERYTHING as it was? That's a straw man. You've set up a false opposing argument that you can ridicule and knock down, thumping your chest in victory.
The problem is that strawmen are obvious and ineffectual among people who actual consider the issue. Many of those who take your side will line up behind the argument, whether or not they recognize it as fallacious. The other side and the undecided can see the logical pratfall, for the most part.
Poster you're defending made this utopian assertion about how the player base was, due to the game's limitations back when people were lower level and had less OP gear, not for any other reason. Given the same player base turned around and went to soloing things, that effectively proved his post and yours (given you're defending him) that the playerbase wasn't into soloing things wrong. I was in one of the top TW guilds in mid 2009, and two other guilds at the same time, yet I was one of the most prominent farmers in all 3 guilds because I was a herc veno and could solo bosses in instances like TT, hence why I was asked to do runs so frequently.0 -
JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »What I really think this comes down to is:
1) Some select few posters here see opportunity given the populace of malcontents post here far more often than otherwise. This is an F2P industry standard. Only a few games forum's I've ever seen (that aren't moderated in military-esque fashion) in this industry have been otherwise.
2) The failures in respect to making the game short-lived and catering specifically to endgame content have been noted for years. There's a difference between "possibility" and "probability" of dumping the way PWI is maintained currently to the contemporary wishes of an extremely vocal and small group of players.
3) Some changes, such as Cube Room 38 chrono quest, have given some a bit of excessive confidence that they can suddenly become backseat developers of PWI and can dictate they know what's best without proving it by providing a better product.
4) You guys aren't the only ones cynical and bitter, just far more unrealistic and more susceptible to hype or fantasy scenarios given your stated views and opinions. I'm glad you decline to make any judgment call but most of those who have went by Wanmei's historical way of changing things in PWI.
5) I must continue to re-emphasize this piece of advice, enjoy PWI for what it is (instead of endlessly complain/QQ about what it's not), or play something else.
Herc venos were pretty popular, and those who weren't herc veno's tended to group with them because of their ability to solo.
Poster you're defending made this utopian assertion about how the player base was, due to the game's limitations back when people were lower level and had less OP gear, not for any other reason. Given the same player base turned around and went to soloing things, that effectively proved his post and yours (given you're defending him) that the playerbase wasn't into soloing things wrong.
Did you quote the right post? Because I fail to see how the relates to my post at all, other than a feeble attempt to turn my phrase "cynical and bitter" around on me.
I was about to recommend trying to enjoy yourself rather than grousing at everybody who tries to enjoy the game, then it dawned on me, is that how you enjoy yourself?
To each his own but I gotta say, it's not impressive.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
I did, and if you followed the post, not only was I referencing this topic but others you've frequented of late that parallels this one.GlenRoss - Archosaur wrote: »Did you quote the right post? Because I fail to see how the relates to my post at all, other than a feeble attempt to turn my phrase "cynical and bitter" around on me.
I was about to recommend trying to enjoy yourself rather than grousing at everybody who tries to enjoy the game, then it dawned on me, is that how you enjoy yourself?
To each his own but I gotta say, it's not impressive.0 -
Oh goodie, the old developers are back!
Lets have a welcome back celebration with 4x exp 4x drops and a month long sale on the new Party Pack where you have a chance to win a brand new Party Donkey mount. Don't worry. If you don't get the mount, you still have a 90% chance of gaining tokens of luck for you lucky players out there. 8DThe VenoX: Heavy Pure Melee (Axe User with a hint of magic) Venomancer and Proud
Having fun since lv1
5 more levels baby!
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I'm for The Cursed!
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Did someone say DONKEY PARTY!? b:cute b:avoidKittennice - Heavens Tear wrote: »Oh goodie, the old developers are back!
Lets have a welcome back celebration with 4x exp 4x drops and a month long sale on the new Party Pack where you have a chance to win a brand new Party Donkey mount. Don't worry. If you don't get the mount, you still have a 90% chance of gaining tokens of luck for you lucky players out there. 8D[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Kittennice - Heavens Tear wrote: »Oh goodie, the old developers are back!
Lets have a welcome back celebration with 4x exp 4x drops and a month long sale on the new Party Pack [...]
I'd ask for 8x drops cuz the TT market seems to be still showing signs of life, even if it's only GBFs... Let's just coup de grace it.0 -
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Fixxed.ResiaTri - Heavens Tear wrote: »With the recent discovery of the Devs of Old returning for the next expansion, the game has hope. It had hope before, albeit it was a slim hope...this is the light at the end of the tunnel... a freight train coming our way
I've known for a while PWI can still be saved. Its just a matter of adding in the right things. But can the old devs really pull it from the abyss?
Or will it be loused up?
That's up to the players. But in truth, I myself will be sticking with this game to the end. Its a fun game, even if its lonely... even though by definition, MMORPG should have plenty of population[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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