PWI still has hope.

ResiaTri - Heavens Tear

With the recent discovery of the Devs of Old returning for the next expansion, the game has hope. It had hope before, albeit it was a slim hope...this is the light at the end of the tunnel.

I've known for a while PWI can still be saved. Its just a matter of adding in the right things. But can the old devs really pull it from the abyss?

Or will it be loused up?

That's up to the players. But in truth, I myself will be sticking with this game to the end. Its a fun game, even if its lonely.

DEMHEALSMAN - Dreamweaver

The current hot topic issue about people wanting to rage-quit and leave has nothing to do with the development of the game though, but with a decision PWE made without thinking it through, like most of their decisions.

But yeah, it's a good thing the old studio gets back to working on it, maybe some good things will come with it, and who knows, maybe bugs will actually get fixed sometime.

Lenaura - Sanctuary

They would wanna be damn awesome to bring this game back to what it was 5 years ago. Actually having new players fighting over mobs. Now the noob cities are empty. And the only people lousing up the game is PWE...not the players. we cant do anything cept either grin and bear it or leave.

ResiaTri - Heavens Tear

There may be times where PWI frustrates me, but as a game, I love it. I don't think I CAN quit playing. No matter what stupid changes they make to it. Especially considering...I JUST GOT A NEW COMPUTER TOO! Which means, I'll be rejoining here in a matter of of hours from this post. (With how long it takes to install and patch. Already done downloading at least.) To say the least, Arc isn't even that bad of a program. It needs work--yes. But its not THAT bad. It makes downloading and installing much more efficient if you can get it to do it right. It allows you to work while you install/download. So yeah. Not taking up the screenspace.

But it still needs work. As I said.

Least they tried.

There's no reason to quit, all I can say is, quit complaining and PLAY the game. Because, even though there's a big difference, This game is STILL better than -removed-. Because I hear, -removed- has a Cash Shop now too.

On TOP of a monthly subscription. Now, isn't that pathetic?

Lenaura - Sanctuary

I have a new gaming computer to, doesn't make me want to play PWI tho.

ResiaTri - Heavens Tear

I'm on my new computer....and Arc + PWI isn't cooperating with me anymore. The game won't come up at all!

Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary

Lenaura - Sanctuary wrote: »

I have a new gaming computer to, doesn't make me want to play PWI tho.

Wish I had that also, then would say adios to this game, don`t really have a choice, can`t run most new games so stuck here b:sad

As for PWI hope, don`t bet on it, they will break more than they can fix and furthermore force cash shopping as means of mere existence here!

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

ResiaTri - Heavens Tear wrote: »

With the recent discovery of the Devs of Old returning for the next expansion, the game has hope. It had hope before, albeit it was a slim hope...this is the light at the end of the tunnel.

I've known for a while PWI can still be saved. Its just a matter of adding in the right things. But can the old devs really pull it from the abyss?

Or will it be loused up?

That's up to the players. But in truth, I myself will be sticking with this game to the end. Its a fun game, even if its lonely.

Lenaura - Sanctuary wrote: »

They would wanna be damn awesome to bring this game back to what it was 5 years ago. Actually having new players fighting over mobs. Now the noob cities are empty. And the only people lousing up the game is PWE...not the players. we cant do anything cept either grin and bear it or leave.

I have no idea why you two believe the old developers would suddenly start making PWI's high end economic decisions, thus "saving it" or bringing back the nostalgia days. That's an upper level management/board decision. So how exactly would the old developers undo changes they nor the new developers had control over?

Yoruichi - Morai

I got a nice gaming computer a few months and pwi became a different game then..still upgrading my computer now but the games looks a lot better on max settings lol xP

ResiaTri - Heavens Tear wrote: »

There may be times where PWI frustrates me, but as a game, I love it. I don't think I CAN quit playing. No matter what stupid changes they make to it. Especially considering...I JUST GOT A NEW COMPUTER TOO! Which means, I'll be rejoining here in a matter of of hours from this post. (With how long it takes to install and patch. Already done downloading at least.) To say the least, Arc isn't even that bad of a program. It needs work--yes. But its not THAT bad. It makes downloading and installing much more efficient if you can get it to do it right. It allows you to work while you install/download. So yeah. Not taking up the screenspace.

But it still needs work. As I said.

Least they tried.

There's no reason to quit, all I can say is, quit complaining and PLAY the game. Because, even though there's a big difference, This game is STILL better than -removed- Because I hear, -removed- has a Cash Shop now too.

On TOP of a monthly subscription. Now, isn't that pathetic?

-removed- is fun, me and my brother enjoy playing it. He plays an other server now, no monthly. You can really customize the ui in that game too. Overall i think the subscription is worth it. Since not everyone has a super cool computer there's a lot of players on it, that's how they keep their player base so high.

Miugre - Heavens Tear

The name of the game here is cautious optimism. The whole thing with Arch Studios could go a number of ways. It's a good bet that at least a couple of the original members are still present, and their familiarity with the old code can be nothing but positive for the game.

But it all depends on how long a leash wanmei gives them, and how likely that will be depends on who you ask. :P At best, this is wanmei making a genuine effort to improve the game, by uncharacteristically admitting that they screwed up PWI up to this point. At worst... it's a marketing stunt. But again, seeing as they must be bringing back a couple of the old devs, it's still a net positive (just a smaller one).

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I have no idea why you two believe the old developers would suddenly start making PWI's high end economic decisions, thus "saving it" or bringing back the nostalgia days. That's an upper level management/board decision. So how exactly would the old developers undo changes they nor the new developers had control over?

There's nothing to be gained from assuming the worst right off the bat. See above. Also, Resia never mentioned the "old days." >_>

Lenaura - Sanctuary

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I have no idea why you two believe the old developers would suddenly start making PWI's high end economic decisions, thus "saving it" or bringing back the nostalgia days. That's an upper level management/board decision. So how exactly would the old developers undo changes they nor the new developers had control over?

I don't...I am fully aware the arch studios have no control over what they do, they will do as they are told and nothing more and nothing less. It was suggested in another thread they are coming back because they wrote the original code for the game and since they left no one has been able to figure it out. That would explain why no bugs get fixed and why more stuff gets broken with each update..the current devs have no idea how it all works. Maybe I have a small hope that if someone actually knows what they are doing the game will improve even just a little bit but I think its wishful thinking.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

Lenaura - Sanctuary wrote: »

I don't...I am fully aware the arch studios have no control over what they do, they will do as they are told and nothing more and nothing less. It was suggested in another thread they are coming back because they wrote the original code for the game and since they left no one has been able to figure it out. That would explain why no bugs get fixed and why more stuff gets broken with each update..the current devs have no idea how it all works. Maybe I have a small hope that if someone actually knows what they are doing the game will improve even just a little bit but I think its wishful thinking.

Any improvement in the game is marginal, and only in content releases.

Keep in mind also that as far as this client goes, the changes/additions made by new developers have to be sifted through by the old developers, on top of their own old code. It's not as simple as modifying the original code as if the developers are looking at the same code they had 5 or so years ago.

Still, that has practically nothing to do with the business related decisions (seconded by investors who don't see a long term future) which are made by management that have rendered PWI a short term project.

I try and emphasize this piece of advice, but between the malcontents and those who absorb hype like a drug, it tends to get lost, but enjoy the game as it is, or find something else.

Crazybladema - Harshlands

ResiaTri - Heavens Tear wrote: »

With the recent discovery of the Devs of Old returning for the next expansion, the game has hope. It had hope before, albeit it was a slim hope...this is the light at the end of the tunnel.

I've known for a while PWI can still be saved. Its just a matter of adding in the right things. But can the old devs really pull it from the abyss?

Or will it be loused up?

That's up to the players. But in truth, I myself will be sticking with this game to the end. Its a fun game, even if its lonely.

More than likely it will be a case of far too little too late. Pwi has screwed their player bases over and over again. The majority of us who left will turn a blind eye to pwi. Simply because they have proven what type of company they are and how they treat their consumers. There are just better company's out there who simply offer a better service than pwi and treat their playerbase/consumers much better.

Euthymius - Heavens Tear

Hope is an illusion, OP.
They may be able to fix things, but not everything/anything outside of what they get an opportunity to handle.

SHIMBERLY - Heavens Tear

If you have to play a game at 5-10 frames per second just go play a console system at least you will get what yo should get out of a game than running around in lower than low settings and not getting the true experience that you should.

Miugre - Heavens Tear

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Any improvement in the game is marginal, and only in content releases.

Keep in mind also that as far as this client goes, the changes/additions made by new developers have to be sifted through by the old developers, on top of their own old code. It's not as simple as modifying the original code as if the developers are looking at the same code they had 5 or so years ago.

Still, that has practically nothing to do with the business related decisions (seconded by investors who don't see a long term future) which are made by management that have rendered PWI a short term project.

I try and emphasize this piece of advice, but between the malcontents and those who absorb hype like a drug, it tends to get lost, but enjoy the game as it is, or find something else.

The problem is that you think any person who absorbs these facts will react as you do, i.e. play the game as is and never attempt to change it or have any hope of such. Not everyone will react that way. Some of us can see the facts and still have hope.

OFate - Heavens Tear

DEMHEALSMAN - Dreamweaver wrote: »

The current hot topic issue about people wanting to rage-quit and leave has nothing to do with the development of the game though, but with a decision PWE made without thinking it through, like most of their decisions.

But yeah, it's a good thing the old studio gets back to working on it, maybe some good things will come with it, and who knows, maybe bugs will actually get fixed sometime.

I started Perfect World long before PWI and I loved it. But then PWI started up - and I loved it even more...

I left - looking at games that did not appear to be heavy on the cash shopping, to only find - yes, eventually they would be.

And I came back to so many changes (1.5-2 years later) and .. I've learned alot about just being happy with what I can farm, having fun and sure - spending a bit now and then on the Cash Shop (but for all of the right reasons).

I really am liking the community also - and finding so many other long time players.

Peccable - Raging Tide

i was filled with hope just like you: finally the original devs of pwi will come back!

but then i realized - those are the competent fellas that build this mess in the first place! they did this so elegantly, that the team that had to take over was facing a sourcecode that was barely understandable and/or utterly undocumented...
my hope vanished relly fast. b:sad

GlenRoss - Archosaur

Not pointing a finger at anyone in particular but geez guys, dumping on the game doesn't make you look sexy or cool.

Yeah, the game is imperfect. Yeah the developers are imperfect. Yeah, the business geeks who run the show are imperfect. But how is it helpful to take a sledge hammer to every post that dares to suggest that there might be good things coming?

True, the new developers are not a new set of owners but they bring back talent which is at least perceived to be superior to the current talent, whether by their skill or simply because they have more familiarity with the product they helped to create. Who's to say that a lot of the things that are fussed about remain broken because the current developers aren't able to fix them? That IS the word that's been bandied about by some who seem to be in the know; that the new developers were overmatched by some of the old software.

I don't care what you say. I'm gonna hold out hope that the new/old blood will bring tangible improvements. If I'm wrong, I'll be sad then. You guys go ahead get a head start on being miserable. I'll catch up later.

Chuck_smith - Sanctuary

GlenRoss - Archosaur wrote: »

Not pointing a finger at anyone in particular but geez guys, dumping on the game doesn't make you look sexy or cool.

Yeah, the game is imperfect. Yeah the developers are imperfect. Yeah, the business geeks who run the show are imperfect. But how is it helpful to take a sledge hammer to every post that dares to suggest that there might be good things coming?

True, the new developers are not a new set of owners but they bring back talent which is at least perceived to be superior to the current talent, whether by their skill or simply because they have more familiarity with the product they helped to create. Who's to say that a lot of the things that are fussed about remain broken because the current developers aren't able to fix them. That IS the word that's been bandied about by some who seem to be in the know; that the new developers were overmatched by some of the old software.

I don't care what you say. I'm gonna hold out hope that the new/old blood will bring tangible improvements. If I'm wrong, I'll be sad then. You guys go ahead get a head start on being miserable. I'll catch up later.

I'm just playing the game, I'm not expecting anything anymore TBH, so I'm netrual. You never know until it happens, just wait on that update then.

Euthymius - Heavens Tear

GlenRoss - Archosaur wrote: »

I don't care what you say. I'm gonna hold out hope that the new/old blood will bring tangible improvements. If I'm wrong, I'll be sad then. You guys go ahead get a head start on being miserable. I'll catch up later.

I'll save you a seat~ b:cute

Miugre - Heavens Tear

GlenRoss - Archosaur wrote: »

Yeah, the game is imperfect. Yeah the developers are imperfect. Yeah, the business geeks who run the show are imperfect. But how is it helpful to take a sledge hammer to every post that dares to suggest that there might be good things coming?

I don't care what you say. I'm gonna hold out hope that the new/old blood will bring tangible improvements. If I'm wrong, I'll be sad then. You guys go ahead get a head start on being miserable. I'll catch up later.

THANK YOU.

I'm tired of the endless culture of cynicism around here. These certain people like to appoint themselves to bring their version of "realism" down on the heads of anyone with a shred of optimism, failing to notice (or care) that the majority of those hoping for positive improvement are still fully aware of the facts that might thwart such improvement.

What I love the most is when these people write us off as whiners, QQers, malcontents, etc when threads are made complaining about game problems... and then for once in a blue moon when we have reason to be positive, it's the same few people suddenly acting negative. This isn't about bringing a reality check to the optimistic. This is pessimism for the sake of pessimism.

Crazybladema - Harshlands

Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »

THANK YOU.

I'm tired of the endless culture of cynicism around here. These certain people like to appoint themselves to bring their version of "realism" down on the heads of anyone with a shred of optimism, failing to notice (or care) that the majority of those hoping for positive improvement are still fully aware of the facts that might thwart such improvement.

What I love the most is when these people write us off as whiners, QQers, malcontents, etc when threads are made complaining about game problems... and then for once in a blue moon when we have reason to be positive, it's the same few people suddenly acting negative. This isn't about bringing a reality check to the optimistic. This is pessimism for the sake of pessimism.

So, I see that I was completely wrong. For some odd reason pwi does have fanboys... I should do a study on this, just as I did a study on cash-shopping and video game addiction in the game. Yes, I really did that, helped me get my associates degree in sociology.

Miugre - Heavens Tear

Crazybladema - Harshlands wrote: »

So, I see that I was completely wrong. For some odd reason pwi does have fanboys... I should do a study on this, just as I did a study on cash-shopping and video game addiction in the game. Yes, I really did that, helped me get my associates degree in sociology.

And here we have a perfect example of what I'm talking about.

To these folks, if a person isn't cynical and negative 100% of the time, then they're assumed to be blind to all facts and running purely off of hype and willful ignorance. There's never any middle ground. It's all black and white.

Cynicism has a place, just like optimism has a place. There are just too many people here who act like the place for cynicism is everywhere, at all times.

GlenRoss - Archosaur

Crazybladema - Harshlands wrote: »

So, I see that I was completely wrong. For some odd reason pwi does have fanboys... I should do a study on this, just as I did a study on cash-shopping and video game addiction in the game. Yes, I really did that, helped me get my associates degree in sociology.

LOL @ juvenile ad hominem.
LOL @ waving an Associate's Degree around. (Don't ask.)

Nobody wants to deny you your miserable mewling. Be welcome to take your little degree off to the sulking corner. Nobody will try to stop you. But thanks for highlighting the poison that infects this forum.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

it would be nice if the new engine for PWI makes things smoother. As of now a certain 2.0 game runs smoother than it does PWI for my PC.

altho im not too looking forward to reincarnation lv1 lol

GlenRoss - Archosaur

I'm told that PWI runs everything through our CPU. I bought a new (fairly powerful) graphics card a couple of weeks ago and game performance has not been good. Last night I tweaked the settings for performance and forced all graphics through the card and now PW runs like a champ.

Crazybladema - Harshlands

GlenRoss - Archosaur wrote: »

LOL @ juvenile ad hominem.
LOL @ waving an Associate's Degree around. (Don't ask.)

Nobody wants to deny you your miserable mewling. Be welcome to take your little degree off to the sulking corner. Nobody will try to stop you. But thanks for highlighting the poison that infects this forum.

Who said its just an associates degree? That was a while ago when I got the degree. Also, later feel up to answering a few questions?

Why do you feel the need to defend pwi?

Why do you view my criticism as poison? Does this Criticism offend you and if so why?

Are you addicted to pwi, yes or no and why?

When did you start playing pwi and for how long?

Also, why do you perceive my criticism as an ad hominem?

I would like answers in paragraph form, double spaced as well for easy reading.

Apostasy - Raging Tide

Crazybladema - Harshlands wrote: »

So, I see that I was completely wrong. For some odd reason pwi does have fanboys... I should do a study on this, just as I did a study on cash-shopping and video game addiction in the game. Yes, I really did that, helped me get my associates degree in sociology.

As far as "fanboys"... I would not quite word it that way. It is a matter of "Old School RPGers" (at least this is the category I fall under, and I do believe many of the "fanboys" do too)... We happen to have seen enough RPG games (which includes back when books and dice were the big thing) to know what elements or content a game needs in order to be a healthy game with integrity. PWI just so happens to have a LOT of potential in this direction. This noted, it can also be recognized where the greed of the company has decimated what could already have been a great game of truly epic proportions. The player base does contribute to this, but it still falls on PWE/Wanmei itself to curb this greed to begin with, rather than further breed greed among the players... in this, PWE/Wanmei has failed miserably... at least so far.

So what the "fanboys" happen to notice, is the old designers/programmers (w/e Archosaur Studios consists of) have at least the potential to fix things, to set things that are screwed up right, to possibly balance the classes, etc, etc... At least, it has been the excuse we have heard again and again through the grapevines... That the team dealing with these aspects of PWI can not "get into" the codes properly. But Archosaur Studios, supposedly... can. This, if true of course, could be as an epiphany to PWI... a true enlightening... a Renaissance of PWI. This would be great, and IS something to hope for. Nothing to do with being a "fanboy."

Now of course, even IF Archosaur Studios can pull off such a seemingly impossible feat... PWE/Wanmei can easily destroy the greatness of it through it's continuing with it's greed as we have seen progress over years worth of changes in such a horrible direction. I myself only started playing PWI in February of 2010, and already started noticing changes in this direction in March or April of that same year... only a month or two after beginning to play. And changes such as those have just become increasingly more disgusting over the years. Maybe, just maybe... PWE/Wanmei has done it's number crunching... if it has... then they would see that there is more $ for them by trying to provide a real game, rather than some wrenching cash cow machine, squeezing out every last penny of every last player they can...

If PWE/Wanmei only cares about the $ value of PWI, as in how much they can suck out of it's players/customers... then it would make the improvements we are talking about and even hoping for. If they legitimately wanted to make these improvements for the sake of having a game they can be proud of, this would be the case. If a bunch of effing ghosts visited their greedy a$$es at some point during the course of a night, this would be the case. PWE/Wanmei would not apologize for it's past **** ups, but it might instead bring about the changes to provide what everyone wants to begin with. Archosaur Studios might be the beginning of that unspoken apology...

Nothing we say on this thread will bring about such changes. So at the moment, wether it be a new age approaching or just hype... only time will tell us... f:sweat

Crazybladema - Harshlands

Apostasy - Raging Tide wrote: »

As far as "fanboys"... I would not quite word it that way. It is a matter of "Old School RPGers" (at least this is the category I fall under, and I do believe many of the "fanboys" do too)... We happen to have seen enough RPG games (which includes back when books and dice were the big thing) to know what elements or content a game needs in order to be a healthy game with integrity. PWI just so happens to have a LOT of potential in this direction. This noted, it can also be recognized where the greed of the company has decimated what could already have been a great game of truly epic proportions. The player base does contribute to this, but it still falls on PWE/Wanmei itself to curb this greed to begin with, rather than further breed greed among the players... in this, PWE/Wanmei has failed miserably... at least so far.

So what the "fanboys" happen to notice, is the old designers/programmers (w/e Archosaur Studios consists of) have at least the potential to fix things, to set things that are screwed up right, to possibly balance the classes, etc, etc... At least, it has been the excuse we have heard again and again through the grapevines... That the team dealing with these aspects of PWI can not "get into" the codes properly. But Archosaur Studios, supposedly... can. This, if true of course, could be as an epiphany to PWI... a true enlightening... a Renaissance of PWI. This would be great, and IS something to hope for. Nothing to do with being a "fanboy."

Now of course, even IF Archosaur Studios can pull off such a seemingly impossible feat... PWE/Wanmei can easily destroy the greatness of it through it's continuing with it's greed as we have seen progress over years worth of changes in such a horrible direction. I myself only started playing PWI in February of 2010, and already started noticing changes in this direction in March or April of that same year... only a month or two after beginning to play. And changes such as those have just become increasingly more disgusting over the years. Maybe, just maybe... PWE/Wanmei has done it's number crunching... if it has... then they would see that there is more $ for them by trying to provide a real game, rather than some wrenching cash cow machine, squeezing out every last penny of every last player they can...

If PWE/Wanmei only cares about the $ value of PWI, as in how much they can suck out of it's players/customers... then it would make the improvements we are talking about and even hoping for. If they legitimately wanted to make these improvements for the sake of having a game they can be proud of, this would be the case. If a bunch of effing ghosts visited their greedy a$$es at some point during the course of a night, this would be the case. PWE/Wanmei would not apologize for it's past **** ups, but it might instead bring about the changes to provide what everyone wants to begin with. Archosaur Studios might be the beginning of that unspoken apology...

Nothing we say on this thread will bring about such changes. So at the moment, wether it be a new age approaching or just hype... only time will tell us... f:sweat

I actually agree with you. Although archisaur studios has the potential to fix the game and that can bring hope for some. You cant simply ignore what the company has done it the past. They broke things, ignored their playerbase and didnt do much in the form of proper maintenance/ bug fixes.

No, they didnt have the decency to do that. Instead, they added more content that always broke something one way or another. They did not actively work to fix the games problems and enforce their tos. To add more fire to the flame, they even ignore their players/consumers on the daily bases.

Archisaur studious has a decent chance to fix some of the problems in the game, but a lot of the games development will be decided by the company that owns it "PWE". We all know that companys track record.

In short, there is a reason to hope and a reason to really have doubts.

Apostasy - Raging Tide

And only minutes after all that wall of text speech *applause* ... there is some "reincarnation" system they want to implement... please tell me this is not true, that somehow, this "reincarnation" thing is a hoax even b:beatup