Wizard Vs Sin

Peterpeterm - Raging Tide

For all of the best wizard out there, whats your advice on this one?

I been dueling my friend and i can beat him in one shot if no deaden nerves are used.

But if we have a duel where he uses deaden nerves and tidal protection right before starting duel i tend to lose well i can AD but i get yelled for that...

So what is the best way to beat sins?b:laugh

Sister_Warui - Raging Tide

Peterpeterm - Raging Tide wrote: »

For all of the best wizard out there, whats your advice on this one?

I been dueling my friend and i can beat him in one shot if no deaden nerves are used.

But if we have a duel where he uses deaden nerves and tidal protection right before starting duel i tend to lose well i can AD but i get yelled for that...

So what is the best way to beat sins?b:laugh

Stop letting him get to you about using your resources to your advantage. If you have AD...use it. It is not being a bad player or a noob. It is being smart and using invulnerability when big hits are coming.

Adroit - Lost City

Ignore whoever yells at you for using genie.. it is not only perfectly acceptable, you'd be a moron for not using it. Also try fighting the sin in world pvp.. duels give the sin a HUGE advantage. You have no access to charm.. so they can use their first hit advantage and just slowly poke you down with control skills until you eventually die. There is no balance in duels, don't worry if you have trouble in them.

If you do want help in the future, it would be a good idea to include what gear you have (ideally a pwcalc) and maybe a little more of a description of the situation you are struggling with.

U_Sasuke - Sanctuary

where's your bestfriend Nurfed_You, Adroit. Do you miss him?

Dragslave - Dreamweaver

on open map u can use tactical reversion to win a few seconds of distance, also Ice prison can keep him in his place really easy, and ofc u could just sutra and even if deaden saves him once, he will die in next hit... btw, do you have arcane defense? is a must against sins, they cant DPS you that way.

deathbytuna

And that othe wiz morai skill blinding blaze or something and using the broke op genie skill spark

mynameiswizy

Sin will wipe out everything except got R9 which is end game gear
...
I don't like it to be honest.
but maybe it's just developer's strategy for everyone buying R9

with the balance at the end game gear only
b:sweat


oh hey what is it?
am I QQ ing here? b:avoid

juicybluca

endgame sage sins faceroll any other class in 1on1 no matter what

you have a 30 secs window every 90 seconds where you could be able to kill the sin...

any decent sin just wont allow you to take advantage of that 30 secs, and herpderp you.

Colum - Raging Tide

Is it me or is juicybluca obsessed with the sage sin hate b:sweat

Adroit - Lost City

Sins do not faceroll every other class at end game.. yeah it is annoying to kill them through tidal, but if you can get to a certain point where you are able to tank them reasonably well (as in they are unable to kill you without sparking/major debuffs).. it really takes away that huge advantage they seem to have at lesser gears. I think it is kinda how it should be, when I fight maxed sins that are garbage.. I drop them in 30sec to 5 mins.. maxed sins that are good can really take a while. I remember some where they went on for over 45 mins before one of us killed the other.

I know the same thing applies to several other classes as well, I don't think psychics or archers will ever have a chance against a competent end game sin.. but bms/barbs/seekers/wiz/ep definitely have a good shot at killing sins. I'd actually argue several of these classes actually have an advantage against a sin in a 1v1. I'm really not sure how sin vs mystic/veno would go though,

Slivaf - Dreamweaver

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

Ignore whoever yells at you for using genie.. it is not only perfectly acceptable, you'd be a moron for not using it. Also try fighting the sin in world pvp.. duels give the sin a HUGE advantage. You have no access to charm.. so they can use their first hit advantage and just slowly poke you down with control skills until you eventually die. There is no balance in duels, don't worry if you have trouble in them.

If you do want help in the future, it would be a good idea to include what gear you have (ideally a pwcalc) and maybe a little more of a description of the situation you are struggling with.

This agreed with every bit of it, if he can't compete with the ad... how can he grow/be somewhat 'ready' for what other opponents might throw at him? Better to learn slowly in duels as a way to see what others might throw at you, if you can overcome the 1 on 1 fights it in turn... in the end makes you slightly better prepared for pk. (He should be finding a way to get past your ad)... EDIT: +1.. for you for adhering to those rules, and trying to overcome him by seeking help on forums instead of just ignoring him/qqing about not being able to use AD. (In other words I can so see you going a lot further in game than he ever will... especially on that sin in pvp. )

One on 1 fights... the atmosphere, skills needed, and so many other intangibles things change when you go from 1 on 1 fights, into mass pvp. It is undoubtedly true some classes do FAR better in 1 on 1/solo fights than in mass pvp. Though the same can be said of the opposite... some classes really struggle in 1 on 1 fights to most classes... but they really start to shine and then some in mass pvp.

Eoria - Harshlands

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

I'm really not sure how sin vs mystic/veno would go though,

Back when r9+g15 Nirvana were end-game, I could do pretty well as a mystic vs. sins. ofc, r9rr came and well...yeah. b:surrender But it stands that end-game mystics stand a relatively good chance vs. end-game sins due to spammable CC with little to no cost, a good bit of defensive skills, and well, the ability to guarantee a crit every 60 seconds (not to mention the summon you'd probably be leeching most often in a sin fight increases crit rate by 30% in addition to the 100% pdef increase). You can see where I'm going with this, though ofc, you'd have to get through nerves first...

Venos I'd think would also have a decent shot at it, but most venos just play as a purge bot.

Boomz - Harshlands

If you want an honest answer, you will always be at a disadvantage vs sins, this will also apply to archers because a wizard is weakest vs those two classes. A wizard is based on their ability to buff themselves and debuff their opponents. Archer have many ways of avoiding debuffs and can purge you. Sins have tidal protection and can stun and seal you for infinite amounts of time because of a wizard's low hp and the ability of a sin to zerk crit you will always be at a disadvantage to them. Try pvping against a class like a seeker, you will find it easier.

Adroit - Lost City

Boomz - Harshlands wrote: »

If you want an honest answer, you will always be at a disadvantage vs sins, this will also apply to archers because a wizard is weakest vs those two classes. A wizard is based on their ability to buff themselves and debuff their opponents. Archer have many ways of avoiding debuffs and can purge you. Sins have tidal protection and can stun and seal you for infinite amounts of time because of a wizard's low hp and the ability of a sin to zerk crit you will always be at a disadvantage to them. Try pvping against a class like a seeker, you will find it easier.

Please don't post about pvp related stuff if you have no idea what pvp is like.

Walpurga - Dreamweaver

Boomz - Harshlands wrote: »

If you want an honest answer, you will always be at a disadvantage vs sins, this will also apply to archers because a wizard is weakest vs those two classes. A wizard is based on their ability to buff themselves and debuff their opponents. Archer have many ways of avoiding debuffs and can purge you. Sins have tidal protection and can stun and seal you for infinite amounts of time because of a wizard's low hp and the ability of a sin to zerk crit you will always be at a disadvantage to them. Try pvping against a class like a seeker, you will find it easier.

nah

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9jjN3sj-w4

of course sins have a huge advantage early on, when everyone is in TT90 and nirvy/r8, but fast forward to G16 with morai skills and they're not nearly as OP anymore

AshenSkies - Heavens Tear

Boomz - Harshlands wrote: »

If you want an honest answer, you will always be at a disadvantage vs sins, this will also apply to archers because a wizard is weakest vs those two classes. A wizard is based on their ability to buff themselves and debuff their opponents. Archer have many ways of avoiding debuffs and can purge you. Sins have tidal protection and can stun and seal you for infinite amounts of time because of a wizard's low hp and the ability of a sin to zerk crit you will always be at a disadvantage to them. Try pvping against a class like a seeker, you will find it easier.

If you want an honest answer, you're dumb.

Sheswes - Heavens Tear

AshenSkies - Heavens Tear wrote: »

If you want an honest answer, you're dumb.

u better lvl up faster n00b - or no extra points for ya !

AshenSkies - Heavens Tear

Sheswes - Heavens Tear wrote: »

u better lvl up faster n00b - or no extra points for ya !

I don't really care about this game that much anymore.

b:surrender