Anni Event QQ Thread

Desdi - Sanctuary

Sharki - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Let me guess. You don't think anyone should stand up for anything unless they are the ones effected? No standing up for others in your book?

Just making sure, I don't want to put words in your mouth.

It has nothing to do with standing up for anything.

PWE wants you to have an active e-mail so they can send you newsletters and whatnot. They also often send coupons or bonus zen coupons as far as I can remember.
Another big reason is the case of being **** or banned; you didn't even respond to that comment.

If they ask you to register an e-mail address to an account then it usually is because they use that e-mail for various reasons. In this case it's newsletters, announcements and other things. Nothing stops PWE from finding other uses for it in the future and in this case it's the sending of the anniversary gifts.

Whether I or anyone else agrees or disagrees with this action (sending gifts via e-mail) has nothing to do with keeping an active e-mail or not.

I'm sorry but you really sound like you don't want to be bothered changing your accounts' emails to active ones and you also imply that you've given out false information when creating either your PWI accounts or your past e-mails. These are just the consequences you're facing for your actions. The company is not punishing you for anything.

If you know you can't remember information, simply write it down. You can never be sure of what may happen in the future. For example, I have written down all the security questions for all the accounts I've made.

ovenusarmanio

Meh, part of being an adult is keeping track of your various accounts and their information, regardless of what you do. If something expries, replace it. I do feel bad for the kiddies or people made it younger but are more grown now. Use it as a learning lesson. Life isn't always fair but sometimes there are things you can do to make up for it. Like keeping track of your accounts and such. Especially any thing that does or may in the future involve you real life money. Nobody's fault but your own if you do not keep up with it. I hope that this rectifies the problem they had in the past with them, where tons of people didn't get one while may others got tons. I will miss the page telling you when your join date was though.

Sharki - Dreamweaver

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

It has nothing to do with standing up for anything.

Of course it doesn't to you, as you are one of the posters that is attacking. Specifically, putting the blame on players who do not have access to their email(s) for one reason or another.

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

PWE wants you to have an active e-mail so they can send you newsletters and whatnot. They also often send coupons or bonus zen coupons as far as I can remember.
Another big reason is the case of being **** or banned; you didn't even respond to that comment.

I did respond, and I said that those situations are irrelevant to the current topic.

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

If they ask you to register an e-mail address to an account then it usually is because they use that e-mail for various reasons. In this case it's newsletters, announcements and other things. Nothing stops PWE from finding other uses for it in the future and in this case it's the sending of the anniversary gifts.

Of course nothing stops them, but the problem lies with the expectations of players. If they WANT protection from hacks, or to receive freebies, or anything that one would expect an email for then sure, they should keep an email. But situations like this where we all expected the gifts to be given through the website do not count, as our expectations take precedent over the requirements brought on by the spontaneous change.

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

Whether I or anyone else agrees with this action (sending gifts via e-mail) has nothing to do with keeping an active e-mail or not.

Yes it does. You're asserting the 'just in case' argument, while it's just not flexible enough.

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

I'm sorry but you really sound like you don't want to be bothered changing your accounts' emails to active ones and you also imply that you've given out false information when creating either your PWI accounts or your past e-mails. These are just the consequences you're facing for your actions. The company is not punishing you for anything.

It's not my fault that Xainou apparently assumed that whomever is defending a position is directly involved in the subject of the position. I'm merely speaking from my opinion of the flexibility of situations like this.

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

If you know you can't remember information, simply write it down. You can never be sure of what may happen in the future. For example, I have written down all the security questions for all the accounts I've made.

I find it very offensive that you can blame the forgetful or ones that easily lose things so easily like this. Are they not entitled to enjoy the same benefits of this game as well? It's bad enough they have to remember their user name and password for every log in.

Look, would it be too hard of PWE to give us BOTH options of email receiving and getting the gifts from the anni page? I'm inclined to think not. That's all I'd suggest.

oVenusArmanio wrote: »

Words

Come back to Dreamweaver ;_;

ShawtyStar - Raging Tide

oVenusArmanio wrote: »

Meh, part of being an adult is keeping track of your various accounts and their information, regardless of what you do. If something expries, replace it. I do feel bad for the kiddies or people made it younger but are more grown now. Use it as a learning lesson. Life isn't always fair but sometimes there are things you can do to make up for it. Like keeping track of your accounts and such. Especially any thing that does or may in the future involve you real life money. Nobody's fault but your own if you do not keep up with it. I hope that this rectifies the problem they had in the past with them, where tons of people didn't get one while may others got tons. I will miss the page telling you when your join date was though.

Agreed b:victory

ShawtyStar - Raging Tide

FaceRolI - Sanctuary wrote: »

imagine if anni gift is zen coupon xD

That be amazing b:cute

Desdi - Sanctuary

Sharki - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Of course it doesn't to you, as you are one of the posters that is attacking. Specifically, putting the blame on players who do not have access to their email(s) for one reason or another.

I'm not attacking you or anyone here. If my post came out as such well, might be my writing style I guess?

Nowhere did I say I support PWE sending the anniversary gifts via e-mail but not having an active e-mail or not being able to save information of accounts is something that has nothing to do with the very action but the very fact that you may run into problems in the future.

This is just a game really and a mere bunch of pixel gifts but like Venus has said it's a lesson to be learnt. You may be making important accounts in the future and you shouldn't neglect information or e-mails tied to said accounts.

I did respond, and I said that those situations are irrelevant to the current topic.

You avoided replying to the case of hacking; what would you do? This is what I meant by avoiding to respond but at this point I'm not looking for an answer to this question.

Of course nothing stops them, but the problem lies with the expectations of players. If they WANT protection from hacks, or to receive freebies, or anything that one would expect an email for then sure, they should keep an email.

Nobody likes spontaneous changes but the reason people "attacked" you as you put it is because of the exact reasons you said here. You say I'm asserting an "just in case" situation but if something does happen you'll find yourself regretting.

Here's one example; I don't do illegal things in-game but one day I found my second account banned which turned out to be an accident/mistaken report.

I really hope nothing bad happens to your accounts honestly. If you think taking measure for possible things going wrong is not necessary well, to each and their own.

I find it very offensive that you can blame the forgetful or ones that easily lose things so easily like this. Are they not entitled to enjoy the same benefits of this game as well? It's bad enough they have to remember their user name and password for every log in.

I'm a forgetful person and I have accounts in various places and websites and that is precisely why I write them down. How is that offensive to forgetful people? I'm one of them myself.

Templar - Sanctuary

but but when i started playing pwi beta i was 2 years old and i didn' knew even how to write/read so i cant rememebr my mail b:sad

Annalyse - Heavens Tear

Sharki - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Look, would it be too hard of PWE to give us BOTH options of email receiving and getting the gifts from the anni page? I'm inclined to think not. That's all I'd suggest.

But the problem is that they never really got the anni page to function corrently. Every single year that they used it we have had issues. Some people got tons of stuff. Some people got nothing at all. Some people could never access the page. And sometimes it inadvertantly broke the Jones page.

They are changing their method of giving out gifts because the original method never worked properly. I can't say I prefer the email method (though I wrote down all of the random gmails that I created for my multiple accounts) but I can see why they are doing it.

Desdi - Sanctuary

Annalyse - Heavens Tear wrote: »

But the problem is that they never really got the anni page to function corrently. Every single year that they used it we have had issues. Some people got tons of stuff. Some people got nothing at all. Some people could never access the page. And sometimes it inadvertantly broke the Jones page.

They are changing their method of giving out gifts because the original method never worked properly. I can't say I prefer the email method (though I wrote down all of the random gmails that I created for my multiple accounts) but I can see why they are doing it.

I can actually confirm this. During the Sirens of War expansion giveaway the page bugged and I received my gift right after I signed up for it whilst everyone else received it on the day of the launch (or didn't receive it at all) x.x

I'm neutral to this change but I just hope this time it will work like it should.

Malei - Sanctuary

I do feel for those who cannot remember their old account information in order to receive their gifts, but its hopefully a much more cleaner method of obtaining the anniversary gifts. Lets face it, truly, the previous years have experienced some trouble with people getting their gifts and all sorts of broken glitches that affected even the DQ and Blessing pages.

I do hope that the email method works out better. You still have a few days to change your emails, I believe.

Abstinth - Sanctuary

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »

if you can access your account, cant you simply change your default email?

FYI I just tried that and it says I have to what??? Send a ticket to change my mail.

BulKhatos - Raging Tide

i personally hope they send them out after i get my e-mail change back in order

ovenusarmanio

Abstinth - Sanctuary wrote: »

FYI I just tried that and it says I have to what??? Send a ticket to change my mail.

You don't have to send a ticket by email. If you can login, you should be able to submit a ticket. Just tell them you don't have email access, it can be handled without that. Just go here: https://support.perfectworld.com/app/ask

Sharki - Dreamweaver

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

I'm not attacking you or anyone here. If my post came out as such well, might be my writing style I guess?

No. Your position on this issue.

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

Nowhere did I say I support PWE sending the anniversary gifts via e-mail but not having an active e-mail or not being able to save information of accounts is something that has nothing to do with the very action but the very fact that you may run into problems in the future.

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

This is just a game really and a mere bunch of pixel gifts but like Venus has said it's a lesson to be learnt. You may be making important accounts in the future and you shouldn't neglect information or e-mails tied to said accounts.

Lessons can be learned without loss. I do not see how a lesson learned at a loss is better than gaining appropriate knowledge of the situation ahead of time and making a decision accordingly. Is it an emotional thing...?

Sorry, but I do not see a positive here.

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

You avoided replying to the case of hacking; what would you do? This is what I meant by avoiding to respond but at this point I'm not looking for an answer to this question.

I'm just wondering why you think I would "avoid" addressing something, as if I'm trying to 'win' something here rather than give my input in defense of players whom I believe should not be at fault.

I have addressed it in my last post, but if you want a more direct answer, I shall give it to you. In the case of hacking, it's a problem which is common knowledge and a risk that players should be well aware of if they decide to toss their email away. But the difference between that situation and the anniversary one is that the anni prizes being sent via email wasn't anticipated.

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

Nobody likes spontaneous changes but the reason people "attacked" you as you put it is because of the exact reasons you said here. You say I'm asserting an "just in case" situation but if something does happen you'll find yourself regretting.

I didn't say anyone attacked me specifically. I'm not the one with the email problem here.

Just in case situations are nice, but one should not be faulted for not having one.

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

Here's one example; I don't do illegal things in-game but one day I found my second account banned which turned out to be an accident/mistaken report.

That's what security questions and other personal information are for. There are other ways of verifying one's identity.

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

I really hope nothing bad happens to your accounts honestly. If you think taking measure for possible things going wrong is not necessary well, to each and their own.

Erm... I hope nothing bad happens to your accounts either...?

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

I'm a forgetful person and I have accounts in various places and websites and that is precisely why I write them down. How is that offensive to forgetful people? I'm one of them myself.

Because we're only human. Faulting yourself for not being perfect is very irrational.

Annalyse - Heavens Tear wrote: »

But the problem is that they never really got the anni page to function corrently. Every single year that they used it we have had issues. Some people got tons of stuff. Some people got nothing at all. Some people could never access the page. And sometimes it inadvertantly broke the Jones page.

They are changing their method of giving out gifts because the original method never worked properly. I can't say I prefer the email method (though I wrote down all of the random gmails that I created for my multiple accounts) but I can see why they are doing it.

I'm well aware of the problems, which is why I suggested to have both methods available. If one doesn't work for a player, the player could simply attempt the other method. No one's left out that way... or at least a few people left out as possible.

Desdi - Sanctuary

Sharki - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Lessons can be learned without loss. I do not see how a lesson learned at a loss is better than gaining appropriate knowledge of the situation ahead of time and making a decision accordingly. Is it an emotional thing...?

Just as lessons can be learnt without a loss, lessons can be learnt with a loss. Neither is better than the other but both can happen.

PWE did inform us about changing or updating our e-mails ahead of time (was it about a week or so?) though if you're pointing towards this direction by saying gaining knowledge ahead of time.

But the difference between that situation and the anniversary one is that the anni prizes being sent via email wasn't anticipated.

I already posted about it in my previous posts so I'll skip.

Because we're only human. Faulting yourself for not being perfect is very irrational.

I was merely suggesting to write down information that will be certainly forgotten in the future. This has nothing to do with being perfect or not.

If you lost information or forgot information there's nobody to blame but yourself so next time you write it down O.o What's wrong with writing things down?


I know people are frustrated and like I said, nobody likes spontaneous changes. It wasn't anticipated indeed but PWE also never hinted at the e-mails just being there for no reason. They've been sending newsletters and other things which indicate that they actively use the e-mails of players to send them things. I wasn't surprised they did this but I questioned why they did this sudden change.

I just find arguments of "I can't recover my e-mail because I forgot this and that" or other reasons not to be valid points when trying to convince a company to change their methods. Your e-mail is your responsibility as are the accounts you create.

I understand people who lost their e-mails and what not but the option to change your e-mail to an active one has been there. When my old e-mail became inactive I changed it to an active one long before this. If people want to avoid newsletters and whatnot, they can have a gaming e-mail they use only for games etc.

Anyhow, this is way too derailed so I'll stop here.

Annalyse - Heavens Tear

Sharki - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I'm well aware of the problems, which is why I suggested to have both methods available. If one doesn't work for a player, the player could simply attempt the other method. No one's left out that way... or at least a few people left out as possible.

But for anyone that did use the page, there would be problems again as always. I had a friend that got something like 15 anni mounts one year... which of course led to tons of people submitting tickets because it wasn't fair that they only got one, or none. Every single year I knew of at least one person that got multiple gifts. It was really unfair to everyone else and I'm sure that's just one thing they want to avoid.

What they probably could get away with though, is making it more like the giveaway pages that come with expansions. A big part of their problem is opening the page on the anniversary and having everyone flood it and spam click it at the same time. If they set up a page and opened it a month ahead of time, stating that gifts will arrive in the mail at a certain date but you can enter now, that might work a little better. But they might still have the same issues in the long run. It just isn't a well designed page.

So I do agree email isn't the best option, or the only option, but I also think it is better than their methods in the previous years.

Untamed_pain - Archosaur

Does anyone know if pwi staff will be at work on Monday? and yes i know its an holiday Labor Day but was curious or if i have to wait til Tuesday to check my ticket for a response.

Boomz - Harshlands

Sweetiebot, according to previous and current data, do you think pwi will host a special anniversary event?

SweetieBot - Lothranis

Boomz - Harshlands wrote: »

Sweetiebot, according to previous and current data, do you think pwi will host a special anniversary event?

(5char)

_Shui - Harshlands

Where are the anni gifts?

ovenusarmanio

_Shui - Harshlands wrote: »

Where are the anni gifts?

They said on the 28th they'd be sending them out next weekend, so Friday would be the earliest we'd get them. Check your email.

Untamed_pain - Archosaur wrote: »

Does anyone know if pwi staff will be at work on Monday? and yes i know its an holiday Labor Day but was curious or if i have to wait til Tuesday to check my ticket for a response.

They haven't been in the past as it's a bank holiday as well. So many other types of businesses will be closed.

_Shui - Harshlands

Didnt got any email from PWE the last weeks.

ovenusarmanio

_Shui - Harshlands wrote: »

Didnt got any email from PWE the last weeks.

Friday would be the earliest we'd get them.

laiwai

yup its bs ticket is an auto response as the following

-removed-

and yes hotmails yahoos and isp provider e-mails if not used for a period of time they close it or it expires for long term no use so yeah this is the worst ideal ever
b:cry

i think it was a way for them to do less work so now there going to pisst more people off and theres not a damn thing we can do it sucks

rezner420

laiwai wrote: »

yup its bs ticket is an auto response as the following

Hello


-removed-

and yes hotmails yahoos and isp provider e-mails if not used for a period of time they close it or it expires for long term no use so yeah this is the worst ideal ever
b:cry

i think it was a way for them to do less work so now there going to pisst more people off and theres not a damn thing we can do it sucks

I got the same "bs auto-response", filled it out and they had my new e-mail address linked to my PWI account the very next day. Seriously, did you actually expect them to hand write you a personal letter? Get over it, fill out the auto-response ticket and move on.

SylenThunder - Twilight Temple

laiwai wrote: »

yup its bs ticket is an auto response as the following

-removed-

and yes hotmails yahoos and isp provider e-mails if not used for a period of time they close it or it expires for long term no use so yeah this is the worst ideal ever
b:cry

i think it was a way for them to do less work so now there going to pisst more people off and theres not a damn thing we can do it sucks

speaking of auto-response....

There's hardly any manual labor involved. Also, if you want to get onto the true anniversary date, it's not until later in the week anyway.

Just shut up and get over it. You'll get your free stuff, but it's going to take time. You sound like a bunch of old ladies in front of the SafeWay complaining that they're two minutes late opening the store.

Oh, riot, we haven't gotten our free stuff yet....
You're not even paying for it.

Seriously, get a life.

And if you opened an account on an e-mail you don't actually use, it's your own damn fault.

Tekril - Dreamweaver

SylenThunder - Sanctuary wrote: »

Oh, riot, we haven't gotten our free stuff yet....
You're not even paying for it.

Seriously, get a life.

And you can go **** yourself. b:bye

It's always "WAAAH THEY ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THINGS THAT DON'T BOTHER ME WAAAAH"

Ever stop to think that things have effects that differ from person to person? Or do you even care? Of course not. It's all "lul first world problemz, get over it". You're everything that's wrong with humanity. You don't need to personally attack others because of a damned game. But honestly, because you do... that shows the rest of us how completely devoid of compassion you truly are. Do us all a favor and kill yourself.

That's from the bottom of my heart.

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver

QQceptionb:shocked

Annalyse - Heavens Tear

_Shui - Harshlands wrote: »

Where are the anni gifts?

Seriously? I answered you when you asked this question on page 6. Quoting the news post:

So please make sure your email addresses are up to date because we'll be emailing them to you by the end of next week!

End of the week. Not hard to understand.

Untamed_pain - Archosaur

oVenusArmanio wrote: »

They said on the 28th they'd be sending them out next weekend, so Friday would be the earliest we'd get them. Check your email.



They haven't been in the past as it's a bank holiday as well. So many other types of businesses will be closed.

Ty for responding and i didn't think so i just wanted the new email for one of my accts to be active before sending out the anni stuff