sugest me an aps alt char
Danuca - Momaganon
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like the thread says , i want to make an aps alt to farm tt/fc faster then my wizz...so guys who know from own experience or who tryed aps chars from friends could tell me witch is better ? bm 5 aps or sin 3,86-4 aps....
Ty in advance , i w8 for suggestions
Ty in advance , i w8 for suggestions
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as you say "alt" im guessing you've no plans to get +10 refines on all gears and uber shard's so get either 4-5aps and make friends with a cleric/mystic/veno to duo BM easier to hit 4aps+ w/o r8 (unloess u like to use fists on sinb:chuckle) , sin if u do decide later to pimp out can ninja past mobs wen u start solo'n more saving some time0
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Sin if you want a farming machine.0
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Sage sins are pretty awesome at solo farming. You're going to have to spend quite a bit on gear, and learning to play your toon, to do the solo part though.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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why do you state a lower APS sin than BM ?
Isnt the chest the only difference and is it cheap enough to get and have the same APS on the sin as on the BM ?
I cant compare since i never play a sin. My buddy and I are APS BM & Barb. The BM is a little faster most importantly because he has HF.
I seem to be more durable and tank some bosses standing that he sais he cant (WS wood & water). I must say though, i think that has something to do with playstyle since we have the same equipment, eachothers buffs and almost the same HPs. He focusses on using his genie for mire and EP and he does not have samsara wheel on him. I focus on having all the different safety buttons available to me.
I think all 3 APS chars can work fine in TT. I let other factors decide. It is nice if you have a regular farming buddy to have not the same char so you can complement eachother. Besides that, i just like the versatility and i just hated sins and love fluffy barbs
Not having HF is what i miss most of all for sure. Everything i write is from PvE perspective unless mentioned otherwise.0 -
As for the TT farming. I dont really know what other people truly solo. But i actually suspect most people at least dual client. Surely i believe if you learn the graphics of all giant beasts debuffs and purge and you can see when purge is coming before it comes, it might be possible to resist it and solo it with a good rate of succes, but if it requires micro second timing stuff and you still risk dying (which obviously really, really sucks when you are solo) i just prefer to take it a little more relaxed, have a drink and a smoke and at least dual client and preferably go farm together with a buddy.
steelation it is very nice to have a cleric, dual clienting if you want. It allows you to be late when running for APS and die because clerics rock at tanking steelation. Your cleric doesnt need to be OP to be able to tank him, IH himself, res your APS char and you can go back to work.
Any of the GBA versions usually comes down to me wacking him, the dual clienting BM dies and then focusses on the cleric to keep me alive. I only tried truly soloing the 3-2 versions. With a charm i can, without not. Charms are too expensive imo. I only once tried dual clienting him with me and a cleric. This is possible, but it went wrong when he random agrod the cleric and i was too late to swap back to barb to save him Didnt try again cuz i hate that **** and just do it in team
emperor i still didnt get to trying to solo. But i suspect it will be similar and ill need a cleric or charm.
Illusion lord you need a second char to glitch.
All bosses i didnt mention are easy to solo, but also drop worthless ****.Everything i write is from PvE perspective unless mentioned otherwise.0 -
As a sin you'll always have bp.
Sin is a bit more expensive to get 5 aps than BM, but still worth it.
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Don't be a wannabe sin: be one.0
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aps psy. perfect for 5.0.
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Danuca - Momaganon wrote: »like the thread says , i want to make an aps alt to farm tt/fc faster then my wizz...so guys who know from own experience or who tryed aps chars from friends could tell me witch is better ? bm 5 aps or sin 3,86-4 aps....
Ty in advance , i w8 for suggestions
APS BARB!!!!
+ You can buff yourself.
+ TT is easy.
+ FC is easy.
- You don't have BP and you will have to make an alt sin just for bp.
The reason i don't say SIN is because it can't HP or Strength buff.
The negatives here wont apply as much if your highly refined.
The reason why i don't say BM is because of the lack of power.
The negatives here wont apply as much if your highly refined.
In conclusion a BARB can help all of your characters great benefits and with decent refines you can manage through most things.What can you expect from filthy little heathens? Their whole disgusting race is like a curse. Their skin's a hellish red they're only good when dead they're vermin, as I said and worse. They're Savages! Savages! Barely even human. Savages! Savages! Drive them from our shore! They're not like you and me
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MasterPerian - Lost City wrote: »APS BARB!!!!
+ You can buff yourself.
+ TT is easy.
+ FC is easy.
- You don't have BP and you will have to make an alt sin just for bp.
The reason i don't say SIN is because it can't HP or Strength buff.
Barb buffs come in a variety of pills now, but Sin buff doesn't. Unless you spend a fortune: You weaken your defense and HP just for aps to be a wannabe sin that needs another class to buff them. Barbs have their strengths: aps isn't one.0 -
Depends on the budget too.
When i do FW with sins that have both their weapon and their armors refined to +10, i have nothing on them with my average +6 armors and +10 weapon.
The many sins that are equally geared like me, non of them can tank the bosses while i can tank em all in aps gear. I suppose that should make a difference in TT farming too.Everything i write is from PvE perspective unless mentioned otherwise.0 -
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Barb buffs come in a variety of pills now, but Sin buff doesn't. Unless you spend a fortune: You weaken your defense and HP just for aps to be a wannabe sin that needs another class to buff them. Barbs have their strengths: aps isn't one.
True, but would you really want to pop pills every time you die? I know i don't not very cost effective.
Also take into mind its a multi tasking character this player is looking for. Sins are useless unless full +8-10 at the minimal. What i present here is a alternative where you don't have to farm for pills and get barb buffs while still managing to kill bosses at a steady rate. All you need is a low leveled sin with BP to support your barb.
Sin's provide BP thats not purchasable. True but it doesn't benefit his main character that happens to be a MG.What can you expect from filthy little heathens? Their whole disgusting race is like a curse. Their skin's a hellish red they're only good when dead they're vermin, as I said and worse. They're Savages! Savages! Barely even human. Savages! Savages! Drive them from our shore! They're not like you and me
which means they must be evil we must sound the drums of war! They're Savages! Savages! Dirty redskin devils! Now we sound the drums of war!0 -
Barb buffs come in a variety of pills now, but Sin buff doesn't. Unless you spend a fortune: You weaken your defense and HP just for aps to be a wannabe sin that needs another class to buff them. Barbs have their strengths: aps isn't one.
>not one of a barb's strengths
>Only heavy class able to get 5APS with 3 pieces of R9rr
>Highest defenses ingame, highest HP even with 3 vit compared to another class of similar gear/refines/shards
>Self buff HP, str, (level 11 ones, not the level 10 pill ones), Cornered Beast, Blood Rush, can invoke if needed, Solid Shield, hell, I'd even say it's the best APS class, especially now that G10 shards are free from weekly FB99
http://pwcalc.com/d29a3921f2200a49 Costs a lot more to gear up a sin to equivalent defenses and APS; used LA G15 to give a better bit of Mdef. Toss a mdef belt in there + some more G16 HA if you feel like it.
Just because something hits at 5 times per second doesn't mean it's a "wannabe sin;" sins aren't even the original APS class. That's BMs
back to OP: for farming, go BMs. Good defense, much cheaper than sin and barb, and tbh all you need is like 4 FCs cleared and you've got your own buff sin. A BM can pretty much have +5 all gear +5 G13 claws and start farming FC for coinChannels
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Just to point out, my 5 aps g16+10 bm can not take agro from a +11~+12 r9 3rd cast wizzy.
If you are going to spend 600m~1b coin on an alt, if you are already r9 3rd cast, might as well refine weapon and get better defenses.
Otherwise, bm power b:dirty.0 -
Danuca - Momaganon wrote: »like the thread says , i want to make an aps alt to farm tt/fc faster then my wizz...so guys who know from own experience or who tryed aps chars from friends could tell me witch is better ? bm 5 aps or sin 3,86-4 aps....
Ty in advance , i w8 for suggestions
According above post she need another toon to farm her gear ...Jaabg - Sanctuary wrote: »Just to point out, my 5 aps g16+10 bm can not take agro from a +11~+12 r9 3rd cast wizzy.
If you are going to spend 600m~1b coin on an alt, if you are already r9 3rd cast, might as well refine weapon and get better defenses.
Otherwise, bm power b:dirty.
But if you don't understand it, then I can show you, what gear she had:Danuca - Momaganon wrote: »http://pwcalc.com/870ce8211b2013aa - curent built , +3% crit from masterys , hope u like it
She need better gear, so she need "alt aps char" to farm it, not backward.0 -
I highly suggest a sage 5.0 cleric, who needs bp when you can cast IH on yourself b:victory0
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SylenThunder - Sanctuary wrote: »Sage sins are pretty awesome at solo farming. You're going to have to spend quite a bit on gear, and learning to play your toon, to do the solo part though.
learn to play toon,all you need is:
Sage bp,try to be over 2.86 aps,foucus mind or tidal protection,+10 on weapon and other stuff cause if yo ua slow sin like most sages your going to have a hard time so invest in a charm because your prob going to spend more on charms for a sage sin anyways.
But for real go with demon sin you will be 5.0 on spark and finish **** faster..trust me demon sins finish **** faster,i have both sage and demon.To get a sage to work proper yeah you have to spend a gazillion coin to make it worth a damn.Good luck.0 -
Haila - Sanctuary wrote: »I highly suggest a sage 5.0 cleric, who needs bp when you can cast IH on yourself b:victory
http://pwcalc.com/8faf9168e5d0314e
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There's a Sage Sin on Sanctuary that farmed all of her gear that would disagree with you. 5.0 isn't everything, and the sage skills add survivability. The fact that it takes her 10-15 seconds longer to kill a boss than a demon isn't a gamebreaker since she is able to solo more than they are and lasts a lot longer in TW. 5.0 isn't out of the real either, but she went with 4.0 because it allows her to survive SO much more. She uses a lot less charm than your average Demon because she's taking less damage overall.SHIMBERLY - Heavens Tear wrote: »learn to play toon,all you need is:
Sage bp,try to be over 2.86 aps,foucus mind or tidal protection,+10 on weapon and other stuff cause if yo ua slow sin like most sages your going to have a hard time so invest in a charm because your prob going to spend more on charms for a sage sin anyways.
But for real go with demon sin you will be 5.0 on spark and finish **** faster..trust me demon sins finish **** faster,i have both sage and demon.To get a sage to work proper yeah you have to spend a gazillion coin to make it worth a damn.Good luck.
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Walpurga - Dreamweaver wrote: »>not one of a barb's strengths
>Only heavy class able to get 5APS with 3 pieces of R9rr
>Highest defenses ingame, highest HP even with 3 vit compared to another class of similar gear/refines/shards
>Self buff HP, str, (level 11 ones, not the level 10 pill ones), Cornered Beast, Blood Rush, can invoke if needed, Solid Shield, hell, I'd even say it's the best APS class, especially now that G10 shards are free from weekly FB99
http://pwcalc.com/d29a3921f2200a49 Costs a lot more to gear up a sin to equivalent defenses and APS; used LA G15 to give a better bit of Mdef. Toss a mdef belt in there + some more G16 HA if you feel like it.
Just because something hits at 5 times per second doesn't mean it's a "wannabe sin;" sins aren't even the original APS class. That's BMs
back to OP: for farming, go BMs. Good defense, much cheaper than sin and barb, and tbh all you need is like 4 FCs cleared and you've got your own buff sin. A BM can pretty much have +5 all gear +5 G13 claws and start farming FC for coin
Can you invoke while prone? Free shards? -If you go with that one: everything in this game is free.
Have you bothered to make a comparable assassin in the calc? Did you notice all the points you wasted on dex could be alotted to vit on an assassin (also silly: http://pwcalc.com/9c85201a59145f1c ). Did you notice you put shapeshifting intensity buff on? -lolwut?!
Did you notice that there are other factors to survival like ribstrike, status evasion, stealth, evasion, mdef, faster killing (snakefist), paint heals?
What you've done is taken a far inferior dd and pointed to it saying: see!: better survivability while ignoring the fact that all you have to put into your build to keep up on dd: the assassin could likewise put into defense / hp.
When it comes to dd: you don't have subsea, powerdash, wolf emblem either. -There's a lot of dd to compensate for there. Meanwhile the aps barb sacrifices AoE (amageddon especially).
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When it comes to dd: you don't have subsea, powerdash, wolf emblem either. -There's a lot of dd to compensate for there. Meanwhile the aps barb sacrifices AoE (amageddon especially).
no weapon mastery too. well, they have poison fang though.Btw: Who in this game would seriously imbue incomparable shards?
with the weekly shards it's not a bad choice for a farming toon; costs around 10m assuming you could make 3m while doing the weekly.you only purge once #yopo0 -
Incomparable shards are cheap from the SoT/Aba weeklies, 1.5 mill + 3 crushed emblems, so good for a budget build. They're better and cheaper than the exclusive shards from the orders, but it takes longer to farm one (2 every three weeks compared to 1 every 3 days.)[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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On HT, dunno about others, but Citrine Gems are only ~20m. 20m can be made in a light day of play. Seeing a socket wasted on an incomparable is just beyond reasonable for me.
I could understand lower shards because of less loss to replace, but that's just sitting at an uncomfortable spot.
Is aps farming even viable anymore? If I were to farm lunar, eden, abaddon, sot, warsong, for example: I'd do it on mystic. The game simply doesn't appeal to aps toons anymore and I'm abhoring the common derpa derpa aps mentality I see that typically slows the whole squad down.0 -
well, go do full WS or Lunar run on a NON R9rrr+10 squad (with a barb tank), see how long that will take.Is aps farming even viable anymore? If I were to farm lunar, eden, abaddon, sot, warsong, for example: I'd do it on mystic. The game simply doesn't appeal to aps toons anymore and I'm abhoring the common derpa derpa aps mentality I see that typically slows the whole squad down.
then go do the same run with 2 sins and 2 BMs cleric and barb and see how long that run will take.
APS has its place in game and will have. The good thing is that it does not have that much place in PvP anymore.
I can make anywhere between 4-7mil/hour farming TT (not 3-x). No charm, no pots, about 50k repairs every hours or so.
To OP:
- first, that wiz of yours can farm WS pretty well I would say. Soloing pavs should be a breeze, sell recast/ craft services. It's a slower market but it moves...
- if you want a aps char to farm TT go for a Sage sin. it's the most expensive of them, because you need a tome and -0.1 or 2x -0.05 weapon but in my book it's the best option. Get Sage BP, dagg mastery and a G15 dagg with double interval & 20 attk levels/Sacc/GoF and you can roll. Why I say sage? 25% damage reduction from spark.This is pretty important farming FC or low lvl TTs until you get enough HP/survival to tackle the 3-x bosses. 15/15 blessing + sage spark + sage BP gives you so much survival you really won't believe what you can actually tank/do with that sin even with just a G15 with 2 ints. G16 2xint would be ideal but yeah, those are helluva expensive/rare/whatever. here's a tip: start farming warsong to roll a dagger for 2x -int. When you get it roll a sage sin
Barb is safest aps alt of them all, BM is in the midle but Sin is full out damage. I have BM aps, Barb aps(deleted) and Sin. All demon (cheap aps cultivation). Sin is a true farming machine, the rest are wanabe replacements. Don't listen to anyone who advises you otherwise, they just don't want competition.____________
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Danuca - Momaganon wrote: »like the thread says , i want to make an aps alt to farm tt/fc faster then my wizz...so guys who know from own experience or who tryed aps chars from friends could tell me witch is better ? bm 5 aps or sin 3,86-4 aps....
Ty in advance , i w8 for suggestions
If you're going to solo and get the gear to be that good, I'm talking g16 r9 wep, then go sin.
if you're going to party wit hpeople go bm, you're more likely to get a squad, everyone hates sins. and they're a dime a dozen.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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