Make Nw Tokens Tradable Or Purchaseable

Xainou - Sanctuary

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

And I don't want to sound rude, but people that can't attend NW probably don't TW either, so what's the point of complaining about R9rr upgrade stuff if they don't TW? R9rr is way higher than what is needed to do any PVE in the game.

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »

if you can't attend NW due to time zone, then you obviously cant attend TW either so... you want NW updates for pve? b:puzzled I mean, sure, ok but still... you could think of it as pvp gear that you can't get without bathing your hands in blood or w/e xD

Fun fact, TW actually has different time slots, compared to the farming instance NW. And open map PK isn't limited by times.

Desdi - Sanctuary

Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »

Fun fact, TW actually has different time slots, compared to the farming instance NW. And open map PK isn't limited by times.

^ what she said O.o

The point people kept arguing over in past threads is why does NW have to be on the same time slot when it runs twice a week and for the record it's not just EU people that talk about it. I can name a few US (and other continents) players on my server that would rather have different time slots for NW so they can go to one of the two.

Jesya - Lost City

NW tokens should definitely be tradable or farmable by another means.

Some people don't want to spend their Friday nights in NW, Saturday night in TW and their Sunday night in NW again. That's just way too much time on this game, especially in the summer.


NW isn't really fun anymore since the PVP aspect is gone. The majority of people hop from 1 map to another farming points so instances are empty or have 1-3 people.

Mr_Swiss - Heavens Tear

Jesya - Lost City wrote: »

NW tokens should definitely be tradable or farmable by another means.

Some people don't want to spend their Friday nights in NW, Saturday night in TW and their Sunday night in NW again. That's just way too much time on this game, especially in the summer.


NW isn't really fun anymore since the PVP aspect is gone. The majority of people hop from 1 map to another farming points so instances are empty or have 1-3 people.

I agree, instead they should go read a book or go out and have a good time. The game is not going anywhere. The reason why people want tokens and badges tradeable, is they can get stuff there gear faster. I say leave them alone and farm for your stuff, you'll have more fun farming than buying it. There is no rush to upgrade. I'm farming my upgrades and taking my time.

GlenRoss - Archosaur

My personal preference would be to move one of the NW to another time slot. This more-or-less resolves the issue while getting more people to play rather than buy.

Mazumii - Dreamweaver

what they should of done is make the cannies/ raps untradeable, if made with supply tokens. that way rap and cannie price would still be a mean to get money and nirvana wouldn't of died. And you ppl who say "i can't play nw so i guess i wont be able to get my gear"....do it the way we had to before nw, do nirvi runs with faction or open a cat shop and start merching to buy the rap and cannies.b:angryb:angry i hate noobsb:angry

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

Mazumii - Dreamweaver wrote: »

what they should of done is make the cannies/ raps untradeable, if made with supply tokens. that way rap and cannie price would still be a mean to get money and nirvana wouldn't of died. And you ppl who say "i can't play nw so i guess i wont be able to get my gear"....do it the way we had to before nw, do nirvi runs with faction or open a cat shop and start merching to buy the rap and cannies.b:angryb:angry i hate noobsb:angry

It's not just about cannies/raptures, it's cause people that can't attend NW cannot upgrade their gears/ornaments like the R9 ring, tome etc... since they need tokens to do it.

Cannies/raptures price dropped so low that people can farm other stuff to make money and buy them, same for SoW, but tokens cannot be buy.

Takeva - Heavens Tear

Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »

Fun fact, TW actually has different time slots, compared to the farming instance NW. And open map PK isn't limited by times.

This

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

^ what she said O.o

The point people kept arguing over in past threads is why does NW have to be on the same time slot when it runs twice a week and for the record it's not just EU people that talk about it. I can name a few US (and other continents) players on my server that would rather have different time slots for NW so they can go to one of the two.

This also.

Timezone isn't the problem. That set time is. There are a lot of times where I can't make either NWs because I have to work during those times. Sucks. b:sad

Veneir - Dreamweaver

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

But since the SoW are tradable what they should do is to change the amount of tokens needed for SoW, example:

To recast the R9 ring, 1080 tokens are needed and 87 SoW + the money, than they should change the 1080 tokens for 22 more SoW, so 109 SoW total + the money, no tokens needed.

So that way EU people (and/or Aussie people) could just farm/merch and buy SoW and be able to upgrade their stuff.

Or they could let the way with tokens and SoW and add a way with only SoW, so people that can't attend NW can still get the upgrades a other way.

Just wanted to point out that this is probabily the best (read as: most reasonable) suggestion I've read on these four pages (since it actually is a suggestion and not just a complaint or redundant same-thing), and I never saw anyone else quote it/were instead all sore about the part before it...
(Although, when I first skimmed it over I thought I saw something about also being able to decompose SoW back into tokens, but it's still fine without that)

Also, Zheii when you said that 'not everyone lives in the EU' I wasn't sure for a moment if you meant EU as in Europe, or EU as in etats-unis (states united aka United States) because of how it was phrased... but then I figured it made little sense for you to be spontaneousily talking in french and askdngsdg OTL ...

Eoria - Harshlands

Switch Friday 8pm NW and Saturday 2pm TW plzkthx.

GlenRoss - Archosaur

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

Switch Friday 8pm NW and Saturday 2pm TW plzkthx.

I'm on board. Let's go with it.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

Switch Friday 8pm NW and Saturday 2pm TW plzkthx.

It would be funny in a way if they was doing it, to see all US people come rage here, people hate 2pm TW on HL, not sure they would like NW at 2pm. b:laugh

Jaabg - Sanctuary

Why not create a specific poll, choose one time slot only for one nw time and day change, see what the outcome is. If you get 200~500 people replying to the time changes, sure that is something. If you get 20~40 people, doubt that change will take any notice.

Grindata_ - Heavens Tear

the only way i see them making tokens tradeable from nw is if they put a new nw token in the cash shop for high gold amount so they make money from it while keeping the tokens u get from nw untradeable forcing u to buy from cash shop if u cant do nw.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

Jaabg - Sanctuary wrote: »

Why not create a specific poll, choose one time slot only for one nw time and day change, see what the outcome is. If you get 200~500 people replying to the time changes, sure that is something. If you get 20~40 people, doubt that change will take any notice.

It's really not a majority of people that come on the forum, plus it was proven in the past that some people log 20 alts to vote when there's a vote.

Haila - Sanctuary

They dont even reply with "We gonna look into this" anymore XD

GlenRoss - Archosaur

That's because they're not going to look into this. It might be good for some players but will cause upheaval in the economy that they are not going to want to deal with.

I'm not one of the "those evil businesses have no right to try to make a profit" people but I do understand that they measure in-game decisions, first and foremost, by how those changes will affect the business. Every change has a ripple effect. If they think the change will result in less income, they're not going to do it.

Karmiel - Dreamweaver

GlenRoss - Archosaur wrote: »

That's because they're not going to look into this. It might be good for some players but will cause upheaval in the economy that they are not going to want to deal with.

I'm not one of the "those evil businesses have no right to try to make a profit" people but I do understand that they measure in-game decisions, first and foremost, by how those changes will affect the business. Every change has a ripple effect. If they think the change will result in less income, they're not going to do it.

It would increase income from those who can attend buy either selling or moving a time slot.

They would make more money doing this.


I do not think people understand how many none US people play the game.

Just check around your factions for the results.

Krel - Heavens Tear

Look if you can't attend then oh welllllll,to me NW is boring and playing at night at 11:20-1:20 am is kinda sucky,maybe if it was 10:20 pm my time it would be ok because usually after 10 I lose intrest of the game by then.Im sure if tokens were able to trade you will see a spike back up on raps and canny and everything else as well,not to bad though but could go back to the same ole same ole reverse on "canny and rap to high we can't afford our gear" then we will have that qq mess like the op qq

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver

Karmiel - Dreamweaver wrote: »

It would increase income from those who can attend buy either selling or moving a time slot.

it would decrease income from those that would not attend

They would make more money doing this.

They would make less money doing this

we can argue all day but without numbers it's moot. and it's not just number of people but their spending behaviour too.

Karmiel - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I do not think people understand how many none US people play the game.
Just check around your factions for the results.

it's not that simple. for starters, how many of those EU players in your faction attend NW? what percentage of EU spenders attend NW?

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

Karmiel - Dreamweaver wrote: »

It would increase income from those who can attend buy either selling or moving a time slot.

They would make more money doing this.


I do not think people understand how many none US people play the game.

Just check around your factions for the results.

It's not about how many US or non-US people that play the game.

EU people (and others) have complain since the start of the game about the events time, nothing has never have been done to find a solution about it cause there's no solution about it, there's no time that will please everyone.

Majority of people complaining about NW time do complain cause they cannot get the items required to upgrade their stuff or complain cause they lose a way to make money.

Let's be honest at that point, it's not a huge money maker anymore, the cost of pots and charms for 2 hours vs the profit is not that huge, some people would made more money by farming TT or w/e during 2 hours.

So people that complain cause they cannot make money with NW, please stop it cause NW is not anymore a huge money maker, people could make the same amount of money in the same time by doing something else.

People complaining about the tokens cause they can't upgrade their stuff, at that point you know they won't make a EU time for NW, people have been complaining about events time since the start of the game and PWI never have do a move to change that, so beside complain about it knowing it won't change try to put your energy to find a idea of what could be done to fix the issue without needed to change the time of the event.

Like I did, I suggested that they add a way to upgrade the items with only SoW (they can let the tokens+SoW way). Only Veneir did comment on that suggestion cause the rest was too busy to spend their energy at complaining.

I didn't liked the idea of making tokens tradable, but at least I did make a other suggestion.

EDIT: I know it's not all EU people that complain about events time for the money, I know some just complain cause they would like to do the event for fun, but those people know that nevermind the time of the event, there will always be unhappy people.

P.s: When I say EU people a mean all non US people.

GlenRoss - Archosaur

To clarify: They MIGHT be convinced to change the time slot if they think it will be good for them. They almost certainly will not make the tokens tradeable.

I'm in the US but I would like to see them move the Sunday NW to an earlier slot as well. I recognize that as personally beneficial and won't project it as good for anyone else, though.

Miss_menace - Raging Tide

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

I don't understand people that did R9rr their char(s) on a server that is not on their time zone than complain about the events time.

I'm not surprised you don't understand. Typical Bella statement.

Perfect World INTERNATIONAL. And yet someone from Australia can't access what is arguably the most important weekly event of the game. There is no time-zone for them. In fact, the European servers were merged because there wasn't enough players to warrant for two servers.

The fact is, the best PWI gaming is arguably still in the American time zone servers because of nature of the player base in those servers.

If PWI wants to truly be international, they need to stop thinking "segregation" and be international in all the servers they have now.

I speak from someone on the West Coast who always feel for my dedicated non-North American friends who stay up to 2am or get up at 5am to attend NW and TW every weekend. There ought to be a recognition that they belong in the American Servers as a vital part of the community.

(and think about this, if all the internationals left the American servers, what would become of gaming a couple hours after reset? might as well have maintenance every evening, since PWI won't be making much money during those times.)

International PLAYERS > time zone servers. Don't force them out.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

Miss_menace - Raging Tide wrote: »

Perfect World INTERNATIONAL.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

About Perfect World Entertainment Inc.



Perfect World Entertainment Inc., a subsidiary of Perfect World Co., Ltd. (NASDAQ: PWRD), primarily publishes online games and provides online services in North America. Aiming to provide the best game services to North American players with the highest level of commitment in localization, quality assurance, and user-friendly publishing infrastructure, Perfect World Entertainment has achieved great success and published a number of MMORPGs, including "Perfect World International", "Ether Saga Odyssey", "Jade Dynasty", "Battle of the Immortals", "Forsaken World" and "War of the Immortals"; and a single-player action-RPG "Torchlight". Perfect World Entertainment also licenses and operates popular games, including an action-based MORPG "Rusty Hearts".

Source: http://pwi.perfectworld.com/news/?p=478291

You obviously didn't read that post and you obviously don't know what International mean, go check in your dictionary.

Salari - Raging Tide

Miss_menace - Raging Tide wrote: »

I'm not surprised you don't understand. Typical Bella statement.

Perfect World INTERNATIONAL. And yet someone from Australia can't access what is arguably the most important weekly event of the game. There is no time-zone for them. In fact, the European servers were merged because there wasn't enough players to warrant for two servers.

The fact is, the best PWI gaming is arguably still in the American time zone servers because of nature of the player base in those servers.

If PWI wants to truly be international, they need to stop thinking "segregation" and be international in all the servers they have now.

I speak from someone on the West Coast who always feel for my dedicated non-North American friends who stay up to 2am or get up at 5am to attend NW and TW every weekend. There ought to be a recognition that they belong in the American Servers as a vital part of the community.

(and think about this, if all the internationals left the American servers, what would become of gaming a couple hours after reset? might as well have maintenance every evening, since PWI won't be making much money during those times.)

International PLAYERS > time zone servers. Don't force them out.

English comprehension FAIL

Perfect World International does not mean International version of Perfect World. Perfect World International is a Name not a Description. PWI was released specifically for the North American Population. All you have to do is look at their World Based English Site. PWRD.COM.

If people choose to play a game that is not even based on their own continent much less time zone, that is there problem and there is no valid reason for a company to adjust anything for someone that is not even part of their market.

Stop crying about playing games not even meant for your time zone BECAUSE WALMART IS RUNNING OUT OF DIAPERS

ApocaIypto - Dreamweaver

i love the american hate for non american. that game was made for america, but without european players, servers woud be empty. in fact, you are always saying to european players "Go to morai", but if they would, your factions and servers would die. stop being so prideful, without european your country wouldnt even exist
its funny, knowing most faction leaders hope every week that their european players will attend tw, else they would have not enough players.

but yay, event were always at that time. tiger, CoA, Pk, TW, jungle ruins etc etc.
nothing has changed, nothing will. pointless to argue.

wooflunkpoo

HEHE reading thru 6 pages of this and there are a much easier solution for people that want to buy the token, for whatever the reason is, put it in the BOUNTIQUE as a token pack like mirage. That way people love to farm for their gears can go farm and those that want to buy their way up, max out your credit card, both side happy b:laugh

Karmiel - Dreamweaver

PWI can find a way to make it possible for none US players to get Supply Tokens.


People who complain about the none US players not having the option seem to be basically trolls. It doesn't effect their gaming so they really do not care at all.


I have been on the Dream weaver server since it opened my wife also. I am from the USA but over seas. there were no Euro servers when we started this game.

It is possible from time to time to attend TWs for us but not ever week of course and not NW and TW. TWs are actually more important to us then NW.


NW to us is nothing more than a way to upgrade our gear at this point. Meaning we can preform better in PK.


PWI needs to find a way for us to do this. Honestly it is only fair. They know the servers are full of people from many times slots so there is no reason they can not add or move an NW to a time slot more suitable for everyone.

Or to add these items to the boutique for us to purchase.


Maybe they could provide another way for us to achieve the same upgrades in another way.


NW would only be better by allowing more people to attend anyways.


Why have more people end up leaving the game because they can not keep up with the rest of the server with their gears? It seems to me some people want to see the game die more than it already has.

No one is looking for hand outs here.

We are looking for a way to stay competitive.

Wake up PWI

Desdi - Sanctuary

Salari - Raging Tide wrote: »

If people choose to play a game that is not even based on their own continent much less time zone, that is there problem and there is no valid reason for a company to adjust anything for someone that is not even part of their market.

Let's see how PWI would be if suddenly all the non US players would quit the game. It would be pretty dead around here.

Oh, PWE doesn't and shouldn't care about non US players but they sure love the money they get from them don't they?

Whilst I agree that events such as the Tiger Event, CoA, TW and whatever else shouldn't need adjustment for other continent timezone a lot of US people fail to understand that NW is not the same as those events.

Yes, I don't deny that there are a lot of people who whine about those events (CoA, TW etc.) but there are some valid reasons that other non US players bring to the table concerning NW.


These are;
1. It runs twice a week so why does it have to be the exact same time both times?
2. Supply Tokens are needed in order to upgrade gear pieces which makes NW a "farming instance" of some sort.
3. Previously, with the exception of a few gear pieces (CoA rings?), all gear could be farmed regardless of timezone. Nirvana was free 24/7 for people to farm their Uncanny/Rapture. Warsong is free 24/7 for people to farm badges and molds. Twilight Temple is free 24/7 for people to get their materials. See what I'm talking about?
4. Some people genuinely can't participate to NW (work, classes, etc.)

I liked Bella's suggestion. Make these items farmable in some day outside NW. Make it harder and take longer but make it exist.

Salari - Raging Tide

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

Let's see how PWI would be if suddenly all the non US players would quit the game. It would be pretty dead around here.

So you have access to demographic information from PWE? A lot of you are taking what others like me are saying the wrong way.

If the roles where switched(alot games in the past i played were) I would not be complaining. I would just deal with it.