Aba and SOT? Cash shop only??

Lolgasmic - Raging Tide

Peccable - Raging Tide wrote: »

aside the fact that you can fully farm endgame gear in pwi (granted, with each update it gets harder and harder without cs to compete. especially with the ever rising gold prices) you do not need endgame gear for sot or aba. all you need is a litte bit of coordination.

-the mobs have more hp but do not hit hard at all. (aba, sot)
-the puppets can be individually pulled and stunlocked. (aba)
-start sot in 'bloody courtyard' and let your squad dig 'requiem crystals' they reduce damage for every squad member extremely. not only at the courtyard boss but everywhere in sot! any boss any mob(s)!(sot)
-you can skip most of the bosses. (aba, sot)

those are just 4 points that make it possible to finish sot and aba even with outdated and low refined gear.

pwi is a bug-infested game with rudimentary support. but calling aba and sot cs-only is ridiculous. people used to do tt3-3 or full warsong with tt90! less whining more trying. there is always a way. for once i do not blame pwi, i blame your (and your squads) lack of creativity and class-knowledge. b:bye

Warsong has also been buffed 2 or 3 times since then, too

Really? b:sweat

Everything else in the post I agree with.

SeekGlory - Lost City

Boy, I wish I was a Rank 9 3rd cast Seeker. I would be really cool if i was and then I could get into a great guild like Vengeful or Chinatown.

Mitachi - Dreamweaver

Another one of these threads?

This QQ is becoming quite old, i have seen many below-average geared players complete the instances. Sure it takes longer than r9s would, but its still doable. Its a concept that use to count alot back in the day, and thats knowing how to play your class. b:bye

Kablaab - Dreamweaver

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »

tbh, doing the trap trick is more dangerous; someone runs with the minotaur, misses the crystal rebuff and then goes splat. hugging together and having someone tanky get the minotaur is much safer/faster.

Do the spawns not make their own aoes? I always assumed they did since people seem to always take more damage once they spawn, than they did previously. Granted with the crystal buffs being spammed - people take hardly any damage at all. I suppose either way works in the end, but I've always run off and trapped the mob myself.

Evalria - Sanctuary

To quote someone very wise;

"For every problem, there is a solution!"

Indeed, how dares this game try to bring some action, some strategy thinking and encourage teamwork and communication! How dares it attempt to have you work to become better!

*Ahem*
So, like many others have said already, everything is obtainable, albeit with more work required, without csing.
It just takes dedication and determination.
But isn't that the point of any game in general? If everything was super easy and left at our feet there would be no game and absolutely nothing to look forward for.
Thus, it would result in boredom.

Forget about the crickets in squad chat. Talk, for all that is dear to you. If you have any weaknesses, let everyone know. Let everyone know about your abilities, too. Set up a plan, and if you fail, set up a new one and try again. Take your time. Read every guide available to you and inform yourself.
And work.

Also, learning the right Genie skills and leveling your Apothecary certainly does not hurt, either.
Use all resources available to you to aid you in every way possible.
And nothing will be impossible.

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver

Kablaab - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Do the spawns not make their own aoes? I always assumed they did since people seem to always take more damage once they spawn, than they did previously. Granted with the crystal buffs being spammed - people take hardly any damage at all. I suppose either way works in the end, but I've always run off and trapped the mob myself.

I don't think they aoe; it feels like Hellfire aoes harder as time passes (or there is some randomness). Haven't checked the dmg log but I haven't see any aoe animation besides hellfire's liquid lighting xD

Cristalwhite - Harshlands

i going straight:

Its a game not real life.
If i want a challenge i ask my boss for it.
i am here to relaxe and shut the brain down.
there for i dont do instances which require a huge amount of team work and game knowledge.

also i am part of the "plug in and play" generation, if it doesnt work straight after start i dont wanna do it. i dont wanna read 100 forum sites and wiki pages to play a game. i have todo that for my job already, why would i want todo that in a game.

its a game not a job, i want it simple.


beside the fact that you cant really coordinate 10 people.
to many minds to many ideas no respect.
who you calling the alpha in the squad.
i rarly find people following orders.
and even better a 10 people squad with 5 alts in it b:shutup

WannaBM - Archosaur

Cristalwhite - Harshlands wrote: »

Its a game not real life.
If i want a challenge i ask my boss for it.

I think games are to invented to challenge people. Some of them to use your brains like the first games like chess or go, others to challenge you physically like the olympic games.
For brainless relaxation we have beaches, movies, things like that.

Cristalwhite - Harshlands

f:angry
i go back to play need for speed
f:victory

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver

Cristalwhite - Harshlands wrote: »

i going straight:

Its a game not real life.
If i want a challenge i ask my boss for it.
i am here to relaxe and shut the brain down.
there for i dont do instances which require a huge amount of team work and game knowledge.

yes and there are games for that. uum farmvile?

rpg games are supposed to involve challenges, riddles, failed attempts and squad wipes till you get it right; you are asking to play tetris with only square blocks. Nothing wrong with that, but you can still do it in pwi: go do any other instance or kill mobs in the map.

still it buffles me that you chose a pvp server if you want to relax.

also i am part of the "plug in and play" generation, if it doesnt work straight after start i dont wanna do it. i dont wanna read 100 forum sites and wiki pages to play a game. i have todo that for my job already, why would i want todo that in a game.

because it's fun. for some of us that play "real" games (I'm implying that 'real' games are superior, jsut can't really find a better term to describe them)

Cristalwhite - Harshlands

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »

still it buffles me that you chose a pvp server......

that was when i did not know what pvp means f:strive

Xainou - Sanctuary

Cristalwhite - Harshlands wrote: »

there for i dont do instances which require a huge amount of team work and game knowledge.

And that is part of the reason why I believe PWI was better in the past. They catered to the gamers, not threw achievements at the lazy/unskilled. b:sad

Desdi - Sanctuary

Cristalwhite - Harshlands wrote: »

i going straight:

Its a game not real life.
If i want a challenge i ask my boss for it.
i am here to relaxe and shut the brain down.
there for i dont do instances which require a huge amount of team work and game knowledge.

also i am part of the "plug in and play" generation, if it doesnt work straight after start i dont wanna do it. i dont wanna read 100 forum sites and wiki pages to play a game. i have todo that for my job already, why would i want todo that in a game.

its a game not a job, i want it simple.


beside the fact that you cant really coordinate 10 people.
to many minds to many ideas no respect.
who you calling the alpha in the squad.
i rarly find people following orders.
and even better a 10 people squad with 5 alts in it b:shutup

Well, I'm not trying to be rude but if you don't want to put a lot of effort or don't want challenges then you should not be here. The company shouldn't try to accommodate people like you while **** the rest of us who want a challenge.

I'm not saying it to insult you in any way, people have their own preferences, but you'd have to understand most people play MMOs (and games for the matter) for the challenge and complexity.

Cristalwhite - Harshlands

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

Well, I'm not trying to be rude but if you don't want to put a lot of effort or don't want challenges then you should not be here. The company shouldn't try to accommodate people like you while **** the rest of us who want a challenge.

I'm not saying it to insult you in any way, people have their own preferences, but you'd have to understand most people play MMOs (and games for the matter) for the challenge and complexity.

i see it similar like you but from another point of view.
if you want a challenge there are far better games out there.
so the question is also, why are you here?

the company gotta do everything to make money, they do not really care about a minority.
and with minority i mean everyone. because there is no majority who want a challenge more than a simple game. if its was true they probably already started other games.
and the truth is. the people who bring money in this game and keep it alive are lazy.
else they wouldn't spend a single coin. the people who looking for a challenge are probably no real customer for pwi. f:melonf:hush

Desdi - Sanctuary

Cristalwhite - Harshlands wrote: »

i see it similar like you but from another point of view.
if you want a challenge there are far better games out there.
so the question is also, why are you here?

That's personal preferences and reasons :P and I find challenges for myself and opt to try out new things.

Fae_Harpy - Archosaur

Cristalwhite - Harshlands wrote: »

i see it similar like you but from another point of view.
if you want a challenge there are far better games out there.
so the question is also, why are you here?

the company gotta do everything to make money, they do not really care about a minority.
and with minority i mean everyone. because there is no majority who want a challenge more than a simple game. if its was true they probably already started other games.
and the truth is. the people who bring money in this game and keep it alive are lazy.
else they wouldn't spend a single coin. the people who looking for a challenge are probably no real customer for pwi. f:melonf:hush

You may in fact be right, but the thing is these instance are not challenge to those who spend the most money on this game because they all have rrr9 +12 JOSD, so it takes them almost no effort. The only people who would find these instances a challenge are those who are less well geared, i.e who spend less money. These instances were updated specifically for the heavy cash shoppers.

Xainou - Sanctuary

Fae_Harpy - Archosaur wrote: »

The only people who would find these instances a challenge are those who are less well geared, i.e who spend less money. These instances were updated specifically for the heavy cash shoppers.

Honestly, no. They're not that difficult. And I don't think the kind of gear I got (G16 +5) is that hard to farm.

Desdi - Sanctuary

Well, some people who spend money aren't really lazy. Some of them don't have enough time to farm/merchant and since they are able to afford spending some money in the game they do so to save time. Lazy cannot be solely determined by the gear they have.

Also, I'd like to point out that less geared players doesn't equal less money spent. I know a handful of people who charged on a regular basis for...fashion, flyers, packs, alts etc. and plenty of people with R9 3rd cast that was farmed. Heck, even people that have R9 3rd cast JOSD +12 that was completely farmed but those are some of the exceptions (good merchants, hardcore farming, smart choices in buying/selling things, been playing for years etc.) and few and far between.

WannaBM - Archosaur

Besides the fact that they are easy to do with a random squad, also look at the rewards. New Items with a lot of warding levels. Free grade 10 shards.

If anything, these instances are to increase the level of equipment for those that want to farm all their own stuff.

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver

why can't we have both? if you want to play casually, dont do the weekly quests. you don't need the rewards to play casually anyway.

WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »

If anything, these instances are to increase the level of equipment for those that want to farm all their own stuff.

+++++

Event gold: farmable cheap refines
NW: cheap raps/cannise
Warsong: farmable gear that can compete with rank gear
New Aba/SoT: farmable shards

yeah, you wont get the best of the best without a LOT of farming/merching/cahsing. but you get pretty decent easily. all you need to do is get out of the qq/i deserve everything immediately mentality.

GlenRoss - Archosaur

Exactly, PotatotHead.

I don't mean to be rude but lol at blaming cash shoppers for an instance that's too challenging. A plethora of people have already testified to having little to no trouble mastering it without top-end help.

Just work up to the challenge and stop QQing. The game is what it is. The instance is what it is. Some people want a challenge and appreciate that there is one provided. Some people don't want that challenge and there are other things for them to do.

Do the quest or don't. Play the game or don't. Whining that someone else can do it is lame.

SHIMBERLY - Heavens Tear

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

Well, some people who spend money aren't really lazy. Some of them don't have enough time to farm/merchant and since they are able to afford spending some money in the game they do so to save time. Lazy cannot be solely determined by the gear they have.

Also, I'd like to point out that less geared players doesn't equal less money spent. I know a handful of people who charged on a regular basis for...fashion, flyers, packs, alts etc. and plenty of people with R9 3rd cast that was farmed. Heck, even people that have R9 3rd cast JOSD +12 that was completely farmed but those are some of the exceptions (good merchants, hardcore farming, smart choices in buying/selling things, been playing for years etc.) and few and far between.

Uhh if you don't have the time to farm etc... You also don't need to be playing a mmo.The "no time" excuse is real old.

The real fact is pure lazyness and lack of knowledge to get anywhere without using the almighty dollar.

GlenRoss - Archosaur

SHIMBERLY - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Uhh if you don't have the time to farm etc... You also don't need to be playing a mmo.The "no time" excuse is real old.

The real fact is pure lazyness and lack of knowledge to get anywhere without using the almighty dollar.

lol

As if someone needs an excuse or permission to spend money on the game. Class warfare is lame.

Vanflyheight - Heavens Tear

this is suppose to be a game not a job, if i wanted to spend countless hrs of farming in game than i might as well of quit within the last couple of years when pw put in OP gear such as r9,nirv s3 and r9s3 along with the OP shards, DoT, DoD, deity stone, and JOSD. If you guys want balance in a game where you dont have one side just stomping on everyone like they were bigfoot, than go play Jurassic park or Godzilla. pw is suppose to be a game where we didnt have to worry bout things such as gear, shards, refines, etc without having some idiot chomping down our throats just for the rest of us to compete with the high power minded players.

If i want a challenge, i can find that mowing a lawn or see how many stacks of pallets i can carry without a forklift. pw is suppose to be balanced and fun, not going after the latest pixelated armor set, gambling pack or fashion dress up just to get something we want. i can find better things to do in rl than i probably could in a souped up game where ya have to try bout 10-15x harder to achieve something than i could in a video/computer game. Plus if i wanted a challenge, i could put a video game on difficulty:hard if i wanted. what the vast majority of us want is a game where we can have fun, get some action, and not get pressured to get this or get that just to keep up with the Jones. If something works you dont make it 5-10x more difficult to compensate for players with OP gear sets, you balance it out between the under r9 geared compared to the r9 and above geared. It sure seems like that everyone with OP high powered gear has won and pw is only listening to their pocket book while the rest of us who have worked our butts off just to compete now have to join in on the OP geared wagon train just to survive the revamped SOT and Aba instances.

Plus dont tell me that your average geared players can do this just fine when that is only partially true. Not all your average geared 100+ players can survive the bosses high powered aoe dmg in SOT and or Aba. some are still trying to gear up and they want to do things such as get their fb99s done while it takes a squad of 9 r9s to run em through (less your a barb ofc). Plus not all who are 100 do nw so they can get their 99 gold mats to gear up against an instance that was revamped to suit the OP geared crowd. What do you guys expect em to do huh? just get to 100 and leave their toons stagnant just to lvl up another alt and make it sit again? What bout those that cant make nw on friday and sunday nights huh? sounds like the OP geared players outta fork over bout 50% of the coin they make in nw and give to those that cant make it to nw so they can gear up and compete like the rest of us. tt99 gold mats arent worth a dime a dozen ya know. gold mats are worth millions of in game coin and i dont think anyone wants to spend real money just to get what they need to compete with the rest of us.

Walpurga - Dreamweaver

It's as simple as everyone digging 5 crystals, handing them to some nab to spam on barb b:question

GlenRoss - Archosaur

Do the quest or don't do it.
Take the challenge or don't take it.
Nobody owes you ease or success.
Play the game or don't play it.

But don't show up and expect the world to change because you want it handed to you.

It is what it is. Get over it. Stop whining. Go play. Have fun.

Eoria - Harshlands

Do I have to gear down my cleric to something like this (everything in that calc except tome is either old gear or gear for alts) and make a vid showing how to do this **** to prove it's possible or something?

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver

Vanflyheight - Heavens Tear wrote: »

pw is suppose to be a game where we didnt have to worry bout things such as gear, shards, refines, etc

no. that's fps. or sims. pwi is about BUILDING your **** CHAR.b:bye

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

Do I have to gear down my cleric to something like this (everything in that calc except tome is either old gear or gear for alts) and make a vid showing how to do this **** to prove it's possible or something?

oh, you didn't get the new QQ memo? they don't QQ about gear now, they QQ that it's a game and they shouldn't have to have a strategy, learn or discover how to do instance, jsut afk macro pew pew bosses. :facepalm:

Cristalwhite - Harshlands

GlenRoss - Archosaur wrote: »

Do the quest or don't do it.
Take the challenge or don't take it.
Nobody owes you ease or success.
Play the game or don't play it.

But don't show up and expect the world to change because you want it handed to you.

It is what it is. Get over it. Stop whining. Go play. Have fun.

read the complains or dont.
but dont complain about comlains f:meh

Cristalwhite - Harshlands

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »

why can't we have both? if you want to play casually, dont do the weekly quests. you don't need the rewards to play casually anyway.

thats what i do. but feeling that i lose somthing that way

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »

+++++

Event gold: farmable cheap refines
NW: cheap raps/cannise <- 2 am for me, i need my sleep
Warsong: farmable gear that can compete with rank gear <-same as NW
New Aba/SoT: farmable shards <-erm that was the topic i dont wanna do it, where is the alternative QQ