Absorb soul lvl 10 vs lvl 11

tanksex

Hey guys i was wondering to get absorb soul lvl 11 ( demon ) or keep it lvl 10 cos i heard that lvl 10 ignores attack and defense lvls so now im confused please help

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver

IF your_attack_levels > avg_player_def_levels > THEN lvl11 ELSE lvl10

unless you fight a lot of psys in white voodoo, it's usually better to level it

ChevaIier - Harshlands

If I could go back in time and fix my skills, I would keep it at 10.

CUTEandSOFT - Lost City

I was told that demon absorb soul still ignored defense levels. Either this person wasn't aware of the glitch or it finally got fixed??

CapnK - Sanctuary

It's the same for sage and demon.

tanksex

ChevaIier - Harshlands wrote: »

If I could go back in time and fix my skills, I would keep it at 10.

so u tell me to get lvl 11 better ?

MissCherie - Harshlands

tanksex wrote: »

Hey guys i was wondering to get absorb soul lvl 11 ( demon ) or keep it lvl 10 cos i heard that lvl 10 ignores attack and defense lvls so now im confused please help

It depend on your attack lvl. So if you are or plan to be R9rr lvl11 is better, but if you have **** gears/weap and a low attack lvl than let it lvl10.

Yes lvl10 ignore the defense lvl of your enemy, but it also ignore your attack lvl, so if you have example 40 attack lvl and your enemy 70 defense lvl than yes lvl10 is better, but if you have 100 attack lvl and your enemy 50 defense lvl than lvl11 is better.

So it depend on what you plan to get as equipment, for now if your attack lvl is low let it lv10 and later when you will have your end game stuff lvl it 11 if you have a decent amount of attack lvl.

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver

tanksex wrote: »

so u tell me to get lvl 11 better ?

no, the exact opposite.

Mayfly - Dreamweaver

Isn't Absorb Soul treated as a single tick DoT no matter the level, and as such, ignores attack and defense levels?

Adroit - Lost City

Both level 10 and level 11 ignore defense levels.

MissCherie - Harshlands

Mayfly - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Isn't Absorb Soul treated as a single tick DoT no matter the level, and as such, ignores attack and defense levels?

Lvl10 ignore the defense lvl of the target and ignore the attack lvl of the mystic, lvl11 count the defense lvl of the target, but also the attack lvl of the mystic.

Mayfly - Dreamweaver

So... if you mostly PVE, get level 11 regardless?

Adroit - Lost City

Get level 11, there is no downside. It's extremely easy to test, find someone with demon absorb soul, have them take off their wep and hit you when you have omalley blessing on and off.. there is no difference in damage because defense level is ignored on both level 10 and level 11.

Alexis - Lothranis

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

Get level 11, there is no downside. It's extremely easy to test, find someone with demon absorb soul, have them take off their wep and hit you when you have omalley blessing on and off.. there is no difference in damage because defense level is ignored on both level 10 and level 11.

That changed months ago. Back when lvl 11 DoTs were made to be influenced by atk/def lvls that also affected AS since it is, technically, a one-tick DoT. You can do that test now and see the result.

Mayfly - Dreamweaver wrote: »

So... if you mostly PVE, get level 11 regardless?

Yes, that is true, since mobs don't have def lvls.

Adroit - Lost City

Alexis - Lothranis wrote: »

That changed months ago. Back when lvl 11 DoTs were made to be influenced by atk/def lvls that also affected AS since it is, technically, a one-tick DoT. You can do that test now and see the result.



Yes, that is true, since mobs don't have def lvls.

I tested this in the past month.

Alexis - Lothranis

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

I tested this in the past month.

Well I just tested again 5 mins ago against an opponent with and without O'Malley's and he took less damage when he equipped it. And I didn't use a weapon and I tested multiple times to account for the 1.3x damage. And I tested both in duel and in pk. I'm not missing anything and this change was more than a month ago so idk.

Adroit - Lost City

Alexis - Lothranis wrote: »

Well I just tested again 5 mins ago against an opponent with and without O'Malley's and he took less damage when he equipped it. And I didn't use a weapon and I tested multiple times to account for the 1.3x damage. And I tested both in duel and in pk. I'm not missing anything and this change was more than a month ago so idk.

Either the person I was testing with was confused/lying or you are. I'll test again tonight when I get home.

Eledelelele - Lost City

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

Either the person I was testing with was confused/lying or you are. I'll test again tonight when I get home.

Please don't tell me you are making a mystic b:shocked

Anyways, it is true that the lvl 11 verison doesn't bypass def lvls anymore, therefore get it only if ur atk lvl is over the average def lvl of other players except you want it for pve but who is using it there?

Zoldi - Morai

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

Either the person I was testing with was confused/lying or you are. I'll test again tonight when I get home.

There has been another thread talking about that, few months ago, and I remember having tested it at that time (with sage version) and the results were the same as Alexis ones.
Maybe I will also try to test again in the upcoming days

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver

typically, the average player has more attack levels than the defence levels of the average player (jones+g16 weapon+g16 armor)

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

Here's the thread about it, they was suppose to check into it, but we never got feedback about it.

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1572421

v4liance wrote: »

Hey folks,

Klys passed this issue on to me, and I let our testing team know about this.

Hopefully we'll get this all sorted!

- Hey, You!

Dulcesito - Dreamweaver

The def and attack lvl issue isn't what bothers me. What bothers me is that AS doesn't hit through IG/AD in PvP. I tried it multiple times in NW when people IG dug the flag and nothing. Used it in TW on people with AD on and nothing. Done it in duels and it works but that's lame.. It's a shame it was changed like this since it was one of the many reasons why I decided to quit my wiz for my mystic.

Desdi - Sanctuary

Dulcesito - Dreamweaver wrote: »

The def and attack lvl issue isn't what bothers me. What bothers me is that AS doesn't hit through IG/AD in PvP. I tried it multiple times in NW when people IG dug the flag and nothing. Used it in TW on people with AD on and nothing. Done it in duels and it works but that's lame.. It's a shame it was changed like this since it was one of the many reasons why I decided to quit my wiz for my mystic.

I doubt it was ever meant to work through immunity buffs.
Venomancers can use Chi Burn and Mo Zun Taunt through AD/IG in duels but not in any other PVP situation.

Alexis - Lothranis

Dulcesito - Dreamweaver wrote: »

The def and attack lvl issue isn't what bothers me. What bothers me is that AS doesn't hit through IG/AD in PvP. I tried it multiple times in NW when people IG dug the flag and nothing. Used it in TW on people with AD on and nothing. Done it in duels and it works but that's lame.. It's a shame it was changed like this since it was one of the many reasons why I decided to quit my wiz for my mystic.

It never ever hit through invincibility in any type of pvp outside duels, not even in the first days mystics appeared.

Dulcesito - Dreamweaver

Alexis - Lothranis wrote: »

It never ever hit through invincibility in any type of pvp outside duels, not even in the first days mystics appeared.

I thought it used to But oh wells. Guess I was just hoping it'd work on IG b:sad

ChevaIier - Harshlands

I think PWI should just let old mystics have an option to reset their AS level back to 10. I would do it in a heartbeat.

CapnK - Sanctuary

And you'd still be wrong.

Brillance - Raging Tide

ChevaIier - Harshlands wrote: »

I think PWI should just let old mystics have an option to reset their AS level back to 10. I would do it in a heartbeat.

I wouldnt. I paid 7 million for that spell - cash shopped money. Gold was 1,375,000 at the time. Throw away at least $5? $5 that could have been saved to put toward R999, had my crystal ball told me we were going to be thrown this curve-ball down the road?

Nuuu! No fair! Retroactive rip off! You changed what I paid for! b:angry

Best anyone can do is warn others not to learn lvl 11 AS until they have true end-game gears or only use it against same gear-level players (impossible, I know, except for duels) - which for some of us could be never. b:chuckle

Alexis - Lothranis

To be entirely fair...it's not just a matter of considering the average gear. In general in this game for gears in the same tier you're gonna have more atk lvls then def lvls. So against people with similar gear lvl 11 is best. That also implies that in a situation where lvl 10 AS would be better (aka you have less atk lvls then your opp def lvls) means you are very undergeared compared to your opponent.

Basically, choosing lvl 10 AS ->you lose your atk lvls against similarly geared opponents to gain a slight advantage with a overpowered opponent which you may have no chance against with or without AS. Remember having lvl 10 AS does not miraculously guarantee you a win when you're the underdog, unless you're content to always stay hidden and only triple-spark->AS (in which case pls roll a sin) however with same gear it may give you that extra atk you needed to win.

Let's also add that for PvE 11>>10 always because mobs/bosses/ have 0 def lvls. Honestly it's not the grim thing u guys make it out to be.

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver

Alexis - Lothranis wrote: »

Basically, choosing lvl 10 AS ->you lose your atk lvls against similarly geared opponents to gain a slight advantage with a overpowered opponent which you may have no chance against with or without AS.

technically, it also helps for psys in white voodoo and somewhat more useful for seekers.
but I agree.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »

I wouldnt. I paid 7 million for that spell - cash shopped money. Gold was 1,375,000 at the time. Throw away at least $5? $5 that could have been saved to put toward R999, had my crystal ball told me we were going to be thrown this curve-ball down the road?

Nuuu! No fair! Retroactive rip off! You changed what I paid for! b:angry

Best anyone can do is warn others not to learn lvl 11 AS until they have true end-game gears or only use it against same gear-level players (impossible, I know, except for duels) - which for some of us could be never. b:chuckle

7m? b:shocked

RT is ****, on HL it's 2-3m and still, I have 2 AS books sleeping in my bank cause I can't sell them.

A lot of people also told me ''change your culti to reset it back lvl10.'' and I was ''mhm no.'', cause #1 I love my sage culti, I don't want to be demon and #2 I have all skills expect Comforting mist (Just can't find that one and only get AS with OBP -.-) and Cragg (I won't pay 30m for something I don't use), so I won't trash 16 sage skills that worth probably over 150m all together just to get back AS lvl10. (Plus the item to switch the culti cost 10 golds). So change culti would cost around 300m just to get AS lvl10, lol it don't worth it. I prefer put that 300m on my R9rr and get 120 attack lvl which is higher than majority of people defense lvl, which will make my lvl11 better than lvl10 for me.