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  • Sister_Warui - Raging Tide
    Sister_Warui - Raging Tide Posts: 996 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Master_Ghoul - Lost City wrote: »
    who that is 3rd cast r9+12 cant solo a simpel bh...

    even a caster at tht point ake bh look like joke

    We are talking about the W2/3 Delta simply not letting me. I NEED 6 people to enter the delta at all. I only have 2 toons (both of which are on the same account mind you)And if people are asking for an AoE DD in WC I am going take it. IT does not make me lazy or attention seeking to do so. It is me using my resources to my advantage.
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  • Desdi - Sanctuary
    Desdi - Sanctuary Posts: 8,680 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Master_Ghoul - Lost City wrote: »
    who that is 3rd cast r9+12 cant solo a simpel bh...

    even a caster at tht point ake bh look like joke

    Warui gave you an example; you need six people to open delta.

    Soloing that implies running six clients to open it and inviting people to open and then kick, is not something someone would do unless they are an ***.

    Having the ability to tank bosses and monsters with or without heals doesn't necessarily mean soloing the instance, which is what you said in your previous post.

    I was arguing over your comment of someone being "too lazy" or "wanting attention" for not soloing their BH and I say again; soloing a BH doesn't equal being able to tank with self heals & charm, sometimes it means running more than 2 clients which is illegal and not many people have so many alts.

    Plus, an average geared player who is no considered to have OP gear can solo a BH if they multi client with decently refined toons (I know quite a few on my server).
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  • Ninn - Morai
    Ninn - Morai Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    ....wut.

    Here's the thing. This is a game with a variety of classes and a wider variety of people playing those classes, you can't do everything the exact same way every single time. You have to be able to adapt and be open minded. That's as much a part of the game as knowing what your skills do. Different people do things different ways and while it's okay to have a favorite way of doing something if someone in your squad can do something better than someone else and it doesn't make the run any slower then why not let them do it?

    When you're leading a squad it isn't about what you want. It's about what's best for the squad as a whole and getting the job done. Sometimes you have to put aside whatever misguided notions of a "proper run" you may have and do what's best for the team. That kind of behavior is inexcusable. Let's use this as an example actually, say the Cleric was trying to teach the Barb how to tank and Warui was too strong to allow that to happen. It's a simple matter of:

    a) Telling the squad that in the first place
    b) Telling the person out-tanking the barb mid-fight so they can slow down on damage

    Kicking someone because they're doing their job too well? In what universe does that make sense? If you want to play the game "how it's supposed to be played" (which by the way is an ENTIRELY different argument that I'm not getting into as there's no true "way to play") then be sure to deny anyone who exceeds your limits from the get go so there's no confusion. Someone shouldn't have to sit there and do the work required only to be denied of their reward. It's selfish, petty, and usually the person getting kicked doesn't deserve it.

    If you're going to kick someone, do it at the start. You have plenty of time to check gear before you actually begin the instance. You look like much less of a **** if you kick before you start and give an actual reason, even if it's a stupid one like "you're overgeared". It's not even a matter of being on a bandwagon, the gear is required to be competitive in PvP. The gear average is getting higher, it's natural progression. It may be the squad lead's right to kick, but it's one that is usually reserved for when someone is troublesome, of no use, or hinders the group as a whole, not for petty whims and misguided ideals of how this game should be played.

    The people that are against "OP" geared people, and judging from your post you seem to be one of them, need to get over themselves. They're either jealous that they can't farm or cash shop the gear themselves and have convinced themselves that they are superior because they don't use it or live in complete ignorance and believe that it's wrong because it's a late addition to the game and are completely unable to adapt. Either way these people need to be straight forward with their views or learn how to adapt to change rather than shun those who do have the gear they consider so horrid.

    You know what, **** being nice. You're an idiot. The fact that you actually stick up for people getting kicked because they're doing their job in a squad and label it as "fighting back" shows this. It isn't fighting back, it's not making a stand, it's being a petty moron and showing the inability to cope with a game's development. It's pathetic.

    The real question we have to ask ourselves here is, if they truly believed Warui was too powerful and that the game was meant to be played without that level of gear... why did they let her get that far into the dungeon before kicking? (At least I would assume they were far as she mentions tanking, implying they were killing either mobs or bosses and that she did it enough for the Cleric to notice and rage kick.)


    tl;dr

    Get off your undergeared high horse and learn how to adapt, people like you and people like the leader of that squad **** me off to no end. And stop sympathizing with the ignorant.

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  • PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver
    PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,507 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Master_Ghoul - Lost City wrote: »
    we barbs never hade heals,super dd power and tanking ability in one package.

    that's cause you fail to play a barb and adjust to new things. you'll probably use a nokia IRL too and say that it can tank betterb:cute

    and btw, if you can tank and a cleric can heal.... why do you need DDs?
    go duo everything with a cleric. hypocrite much?b:chuckle or you wanna show off you super tanking skills?

    I really wanna see how you'll weasel out of it, but in your own words, if you take DDs, you are either showing off or want to be babysitted!

    oh and your 'i hate op gear' part? don't think that anyone can't see jealously through that b:cute
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  • DionDagger - Dreamweaver
    DionDagger - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,140 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Last time I checked barbs had great sustain, or did you never learn sunder+3rd spark?
  • Apostasy - Raging Tide
    Apostasy - Raging Tide Posts: 1,197 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Master_Ghoul - Lost City wrote: »
    1st of that is one boss at that lv... come to think of it not many bosses OH i need a caster to TANK.
    talking oh when server was NEW in lost city.
    It is only 1 boss at that level... but there are others around that level as well... like that Krixxix type north of the Sumor Camps... another better to be "tanked" by a caster type of bosses. Valley of Disaster bosses are also not far after those however. And as for your "come to think of it not many bosses OH i need a caster to TANK." bit... lol, so you are saying YOU can solo all of those when in the next breath talking against doing so. Sounds to me like you just like to be on your own or hate people and being in squads that much.
    Master_Ghoul - Lost City wrote: »
    second if ur OVER geared ofc your gona grab agro and tank the sht of pve but then i would prolly have left and find a place i can make a difference.. nothing you know cos i would have gone long ago.
    your belief that over powered gear make u usefull is bull **** its not needed and depend on party not wanted.

    only place we NEED op gear is in pvp and that is the only true.

    rest aside from one or two can be done with hh99 tops

    slower maybe but my time is something i wana enjoy.
    Lol... you talk like I am over powered or have always been over powered myself b:surprised Hell, I am a psy that was with less than 5k hps, tt90 gears and the Underworld Sovereign r6 psy weapon till I hit 101... and I did just fine b:cool. But was I really going to stay with those gears as well over a year passed? I stayed at 100 for over a year intentionally until r9rr arrived. So you can not give ME a lecture of all people or speak about what "I believe" on "OP gear VS non-OP gears"... We are on the same side in that respect. However... while you are in the mindset that we do not need OP gears to do PVE (which I agree with you), PWE has continued to create more OP gears available and not upgrade the PVE content... Being I do partake in PvP such as nw, tw, etc... Am I really supposed to be in tt90 gears still? Try that VS r9rr geared b:chuckle
    Master_Ghoul - Lost City wrote: »
    i dont hate you i hate op gear

    i apologie if you tho i was talking about you

    i dont respect anyone who use r9+++

    it my right after playing this game from scratch
    It is grossly amusing you should say that... I am NOT r9+++ geared. The ONLY gear I have that is r9 is the Ring of Trauma. I am warsoul recasted and r8r geared with t2 nirvana helm and cloak. Yet I still compete in PvP vs r9+++ geareds pretty damn well. As a school bus driver that does not even make $300 a week take home after taxes... How much do you really think I can afford to CS in this game? b:question So what the real issue you have is, you just can not compete in PvP? So just say that.

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  • Desdi - Sanctuary
    Desdi - Sanctuary Posts: 8,680 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Master_Ghoul - Lost City wrote: »
    i dont hate you i hate op gear

    i dont respect anyone who use r9+++

    it my right after playing this game from scratch

    I understand despising OP gear but...not respecting someone who uses it? Err...

    I've been playing this game from scratch too and I joined this game just a month after it was released (this version). I was once running around in **** gear too and I was a noob but I worked my way up.

    Not everyone just logged on and bought the gear right away you know. A lot of people worked their butts off.

    And for those of us who PvP, we had no choice anyway. It's either gear up, get 1-shot or don't bother with PvP at all.
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  • Neferhotep - Lost City
    Neferhotep - Lost City Posts: 276 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Master_Ghoul - Lost City wrote: »
    again why you need a player who clearly can solo the bh herself.


    she is A either lazy or B looking for attention.


    - its a lot faster/safer in most cases
    - its funnier when youre doing it in a squad
    - less costs (highly depending on the dungeon)
    we barbs never hade heals,super dd power and tanking ability in one package.

    Barbs have a self-heal. The only class that doesnt have one are archers if i remember right.
    A pure VIT barb might not have the dd power of Aps to a single enemy, but he still has powerful AoE skills, which is count to dd-power as well imo.

    Its normal that people are aiming for the best gear possible when they reach endgame.
    Thats in every other game the same, if you cant get any higher and learned all your skills, the only thing you can do PvE based is to farm the fitting gear.

    Sure, r9+++ is OP and its waaaay to powerful even for endgame gear. But thats not the fault of the player but of PWE itself. If r9+++ would be removed, people would farm r8+++, Morai gear or Nirvana again. But its not really challenging at all.
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  • Master_Ghoul - Lost City
    Master_Ghoul - Lost City Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    DionDagger - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Last time I checked barbs had great sustain, or did you never learn sunder+3rd spark?

    yeah and your point

    sunder gives e 10% of my hp ad spark nother small amount

    you do know sunder is not % based like bm sutra wih by th wy should of being our skil as barb have the biggest hit point score
    Sister_Warui - Raging Tide wrote: »
    We are talking about the W2/3 Delta simply not letting me. I NEED 6 people to enter the delta at all. I only have 2 toons (both of which are on the same account mind you)And if people are asking for an AoE DD in WC I am going take it. IT does not make me lazy or attention seeking to do so. It is me using my resources to my advantage.

    that is one bh and if ur really unlucky your server gona have you repeat that place over and over agai in the whole week.

    again i am saying we dont need op geared player that is all if you cant see that well i cant help you
    Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Warui gave you an example; you need six people to open delta.

    Soloing that implies running six clients to open it and inviting people to open and then kick, is not something someone would do unless they are an ***.

    Having the ability to tank bosses and monsters with or without heals doesn't necessarily mean soloing the instance, which is what you said in your previous post.

    I was arguing over your comment of someone being "too lazy" or "wanting attention" for not soloing their BH and I say again; soloing a BH doesn't equal being able to tank with self heals & charm, sometimes it means running more than 2 clients which is illegal and not many people have so many alts.

    Plus, an average geared player who is no considered to have OP gear can solo a BH if they multi client with decently refined toons (I know quite a few on my server).

    look above what i told warul i am not gona say it again
    PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    that's cause you fail to play a barb and adjust to new things. you'll probably use a nokia IRL too and say that it can tank betterb:cute

    and btw, if you can tank and a cleric can heal.... why do you need DDs?
    go duo everything with a cleric. hypocrite much?b:chuckle or you wanna show off you super tanking skills?

    I really wanna see how you'll weasel out of it, but in your own words, if you take DDs, you are either showing off or want to be babysitted!

    oh and your 'i hate op gear' part? don't think that anyone can't see jealously through that b:cute

    if i am leader of a party you better believe i kick op geared players no matter what you think or say at this point.

    this is a mmo lol you want solo why dont you go play a pc game

    i dont take op geared player becouse its not needed only thing op gear help is in pk and by removing him or her i can get another non op geared player to join the party.

    dont like how i think to bad cus frankly i earned my right since been playing this game since day 1 and i dont care what a dd mentality like urs think.

    so do us bouth a favor and move on not everyone will fallow your adjust like good lil puppys.

    yup from now on i will call you puppy.... here puppy puppy have a biscuit
  • Walpurga - Dreamweaver
    Walpurga - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,028 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Master_Ghoul - Lost City wrote: »
    -b:cry- i don't work ingame and i don't work irl so i'm **** geared wah wah wah i kick you if you have non-**** gear wah wah wah i make 4 consecutive, poorly edited posts crying about my inferiority complexes wah wah

    Fixed your post b:victory


    Just because you played for a long time doesn't mean **** lol. You played during the days when BMs mained swords and barbs charged money to tank TT? Well, that's great for you. Too bad times have changed
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  • BungaSakura - Raging Tide
    BungaSakura - Raging Tide Posts: 902 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Master_Ghoul - Lost City wrote: »
    if i am leader of a party you better believe i kick op geared players no matter what you think or say at this point.

    this is a mmo lol you want solo why dont you go play a pc game

    i dont take op geared player becouse its not needed only thing op gear help is in pk and by removing him or her i can get another non op geared player to join the party.

    dont like how i think to bad cus frankly i earned my right since been playing this game since day 1 and i dont care what a dd mentality like urs think.

    so do us bouth a favor and move on not everyone will fallow your adjust like good lil puppys.

    yup from now on i will call you puppy.... here puppy puppy have a biscuit

    if u want to make squad, pls note that u dont want OP ppl a.k.a rank 9 from the start. if u kick ppl cause they are OP when run is about to end. it means they squad leader is lazy, ****** and want to get what they want after that just kick. its not a matter of OP or not. they just want to get the benefit from OP ppl and then kick lol.

    if from the starts the OP want to solo, she wouldnt join squad from the beginning. but she did, because she want to do bh with squad not solo. i cant say no more about ppl like you, but i am sure i will wanna stay away not because u are not OP but because of the attitude.
  • Master_Ghoul - Lost City
    Master_Ghoul - Lost City Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Walpurga - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Fixed your post b:victory


    Just because you played for a long time doesn't mean **** lol. You played during the days when BMs mained swords and barbs charged money to tank TT? Well, that's great for you. Too bad times have changed

    -removed-

    i pretty much paid your free time so **** of kid

    and yes i been here and i have the right to express my belief even if you dont like them

    and if i am led i will kick ppl i deem over powered for said bh run

    now kid move along to daddy and mommy.
    BungaSakura - Raging Tide wrote: »
    if u want to make squad, pls note that u dont want OP ppl a.k.a rank 9 from the start. if u kick ppl cause they are OP when run is about to end. it means they squad leader is lazy, ****** and want to get what they want after that just kick. its not a matter of OP or not. they just want to get the benefit from OP ppl and then kick lol.

    if from the starts the OP want to solo, she wouldnt join squad from the beginning. but she did, because she want to do bh with squad not solo. i cant say no more about ppl like you, but i am sure i will wanna stay away not because u are not OP but because of the attitude.

    i never said i would let op player kill the mobs for me

    i said i agree with what they stand for


    i alredy said i dot want to be baby sit true the whole run so why would i let op geared player kill the mobs for me before i kick them.

    make no sence

    if i say i dont care what the op geared player does as long a its not in my party will that satisfy you guys.

    as you apparently do not read what i say

    and the beuty with forming a party is jut that. your rules your way
  • opkossy
    opkossy Posts: 11,177 Community Moderator
    edited August 2013
    First of all, Master_Ghoul, we have a multiquote function and the ability to edit posts. In the future, please make use of them instead of this nonsense where you post multiple times in a row for no good reason.

    With that out of the way, I can see this is getting nowhere and turning into a flame/troll session thanks to Master_Ghoul and those bothering to argue with him. As much as I'd love to comment, it appears this thread has more than run its course, so it's about time we close it up and call it a day.
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