Review of the new legendary pets
Desdi - Sanctuary
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I've been seeing people on the forums and in game asking about the two new legendaries and how they compare to the old ones so I figured this might be useful and help you decide if you want to buy one of the new ones or not.
As of 21/01/2014 the review is complete. All the information comes from my personal testing and experience with my Empyrean Harpy and Avatar of War with a few additions of a friend's pets (mostly at the beginning of the review when I didn't own an Avatar of War yet). The guide includes my personal conclusions, my thoughts as well as my videos of testing the pets.
Harpy
Quick Q&A
- Is it worth the 225 gold?
Probably not but it does depend on the person. Personally I don't regret spending the gold for it. I wanted to be the first person on the server to have it and I'm pleased with its capabilities (which I quite knew beforehand). It will get cheaper overtime with sales and whatnot.
- What's so special about it compared to old legendaries?
The Harpy comes with a spam-able water damage single target attack, spam-able wood damage AOE attack (can work as continuous AOE/zhen) and AOE stun. Additionally it has Claw. All skills are ranged, including the auto-attacks so it can effectively replace old pulling pets such as the cacti or the Eeldergoths. It can also range tank bosses, such examples are tanking Warsong bosses.
It's able to go on land, water and air since lvl 1 as opposed to the old legendary pets.
- Is it a "must have" ?
It's a very nice pet but it isn't a necessity.
Skills
For information on the skill descriptions and details please see this thread.
Ice Stick - spam-able ranged water damage single target attack. It deals pretty decent damage and the best part is that it's literally spam-able at 1.0 second cooldown.
Fallen Leaf and Flying Flowers - spam-able wood AOE attack, 10 meter radius. Like Ice Stick is deals good damage and has a 1.0 second cooldown which makes it a lovely AOE to have. You can set it up as continuous AOE if there's some invisible target around and you can leave the Harpy to AOE on it.
Bare-handed Cut - 3 second AOE stun with a 30 second cooldown, 10 meters radius. It's pretty neat and if your Harpy has the Mood that includes Petrification then you'll have a pet with a permanent anti-stun and the ability to AOE stun every 30 seconds. Only works on monsters. Deals physical damage.
Claw - There's not much to say about this skill. Most of you already know it from the Phoenix. Increases attack by 30%.
Spirit Destory - Harpy's exclusive pet skill upon evolving. Increase HP by 30% and skill damage dealt on monsters by 30%.
Personal experience with it
The Harpy is a PvE oriented pet. Please take notice of that. If you're considering it for PvP then you will be disappointed.
The Harpy has very low attack (just 2661 at lvl100) but the way it works is that its skills deal extra/bonus damage on monsters and has a self-buff, after the evolution, to increase skill damage dealt on monsters.
It also relies heavily on the Venomancer's attack levels (100% inherit value).
Also, since it doesn't need to auto-attack (short cooldown on skills) it can take full advantage of buff pet skills that give additional skill damage.
You can compare stats here.
The Harpy has similar stats as the Phoenix (except for the attack) so it has similar defences to it. The evolved Harpy gets a 60% inherit for defence levels and 20% for general defences, same as the evolved Phoenix.
Testing
Video of testing the Empyrean Harpy.
Video of testing the Empyrean Harpy P2.
Damage comparison with Heliacal Phoenix:
Venomancer 1 (myself)
Heliacal Phoenix's state at the time of testing - lvl101, evolved, 32/75 attack, 9/20 defence, 7/20 HP, 72/90 attack lvl, 38/60 defence level, Mood: Intrepid (Petrification, Ghost) with Claw, no other PvE damage boosting skill
Gear's state at the time of testing - R999 +7, wearing full set, weapon +10, jone's blessing, 127 attack levels, 17k-25k magic attack unbuffed
Harpy's state at the time of testing - lvl100, evolved, 32/40 attack, 12/20 defence, 12/20 HP, 81/100 attack lvl, 32/60 defence lvl, Mood: Sensitive (Precision lvl2, Wraithslayer lvl3 20% bonus damage on monsters) with Claw and Spirit Destory
Gear's state at the time of testing - G16 Nirvana +7, wearing full set for the damage boost, weapon +7, jone's blessing, 91 attack levels, 12-16k magic attack unbuffed
Harpy's state at the time of testing - lvl100, evolved, 32/40 attack, 12/20 defence, 12/20 HP, 81/100 attack lvl, 32/60 defence lvl, Mood: Sensitive (Precision lvl2, Wraithslayer lvl3 20% bonus damage on monsters) with Claw and Spirit Destory
Gear's state at the time of testing - R999 +7, wearing full set, weapon +10, jone's blessing, 127 attack levels, 18k-26k magic attack unbuffed (hit 700 magic)
Venomancer 2
Heliacal Phoenix's state at the time of testing - lvl101, evolved, 32/75 attack, 9/20 defence, 8/20 HP, 79/90 attack lvl, 33/60 defence lvl, Mood: unknown (no PvE damage boosting skills), with Claw
Gear's state at the time of testing - G16 Nirvana +5, warsoul hat/TM cape, 56 attack levels, weapon +5, o'malley blessing, 12k magic attack unbuffed (assuming that was high end)
Venomancer 3
Heliacal Phoenix's state at the time of testing - lvl100, evolved, 51/75 attack, 8/20 defence, 16/20 HP, 59/90 attack lvl, 8/60 defence lvl, Mood: unknown (no PvE damage boosting skills), with Claw
Gear's state at the time of testing - G16 Nirvana +5, full set, 90 attack levels, weapon +7, jone's blessing, 11k-15k magic attack unbuffed
Target - lvl75 Elysium Fowl, air monsters outside Sanctuary, metal element
Venomancer 1
Auto-attack: 10.5k average damage
Flesh Ream: 15k average damage with 2k bleed
Phoenix Wings Flying: 35k average damage
Auto-attack: 4k average damage
Ice Stick: 6k average damage + 12k average damage
Fallen Leaf and Flying Flowers: 5k average damage + 12k average damage
Auto-attack: 6.7k average damage
Ice Stick: 9k average damage + 18k average damage
Fallen Leaf and Flying Flowers: 6.1k average damage + 18k average damage
Venomancer 2
Auto-attack: 7k average damage
Flesh Ream: 9k average damage
Phoenix Wings Flying: 22k average damage
Venomancer 3
Auto-attack: 8k average damage
Flesh Ream: 10k average damage
Phoenix Wings Flying: 25k average damage
Keep in mind that Flesh Ream has a 15 second cooldown. Phoenix Wings Flying has 30 a second cooldown. Harpy's skills used for testing have 1 second cooldown.
Monkey King
Quick Q&A
- Is it worth the 225 gold?
Probably not but it does depend on person.
I recently got one for myself (see edit at top) and I think it's very much worth it.
- What's so special about it compared to old legendaries?
It's potentially the hardest hitting Venomancer pet as of now in PvP (check testing below). It gains 100% inherit values from attack and attack levels (as opposed to Phoenix's 75%/90%) and it is tankier with 80% inherit value for defence levels (Phoenix's 60% / Hercules 100%).
It has a good amount of control skills, making your stunlocking abilities much more effective.
It's able to go on land, water and air since lvl 1 as opposed to the old legendary pets.
- Is it a "must have" ?
If you already have a Phoenix you can do just fine with it in PvP but the Monkey is, in my opinion always, the new best PvP pet. I highly recommend it for those who can afford it.
Skills
For information on the skill descriptions and details please see this thread.
Rule The World - a hard hitting single target attack that also increases pet attack by 30% for 10 minutes upon landing, freezes target for 2 seconds.
Heavy Load - 15m range 2 second AOE stun with a 15 second cooldown, 6 meter radius. It's pretty nice for stunning a group of people in PvP or just an all around handy stun. Only works on players. DESCRIPTION IN GAME IS WRONG.
Pounce - has 80% chance to stun the target for 3 seconds, same skill as the Phoenix and Hercules.
Flesh Ream - I think everyone knows what this skill is I don't comment on it. Currently what everyone uses on their PvP pets for the bleed. I personally removed it in order to teach my pet Protect (magic defence buff).
Combat Saint - exclusive skill upon evolving, increase HP by 30% and reduce damage taken from players by 60%. The damage reduction is effective and noticeable.
This gives the Monkey more options for moods as other pets would be adviced to have a mood that contains Ghost or Spirit. Other pets lack player damage reduction buff otherwise.
Personal experience with it
The Monkey King is a PvP oriented pet, albeit it can work decently in PvE along with PvE damage boosting skills from Moods (I wouldn't recommend it however unless you do plan to PvP). It has high attack and hard hitting skills though it's not a huge difference from the Phoenix as far as I can tell.
It's tankier than the Phoenix (80% inherit defence vs. 60% of the Phoenix) and can get slightly more HP (20% vs. 25%) This is highly dependent on the inherit roll and the person's gear however.
After testing my Monkey and my Phoenix (both having really high inherit in defence lvl and decent HP/Defence) the Phoenix was taking more damage than Monkey (both physical and magical).
It can work as a tank pet with high DD output if you remove Pounce/Flesh Ream and replace them with Strong/Protect however considering the maximum potential of the two pets, Hercules remains tankier of the two at a much cheaper price.
I don't think it renders the Phoenix completely obsolete but if you really want the best PvP pet available, the Monkey's probably it. It comes with quite a bunch of control skills; single target 2 second freeze, 15m ranged AOE player 2 second stun (15s cooldown) and single target stun plus its exclusive skill reduces damage taken from players which gives you the option of getting other moods instead of player damage reducing ones (must-have on any PvP pet to survive).
The skills have relatively short cooldown (Rule the World - 15s, Heavy Load 15s) thus you can stunlock more effectively. In addition it also has Pounce. Of course there are anti-stuns but those don't last forever and after experiencing the pet myself I can say that it is very very useful and nice.
If you're planning to get a Monkey for TWs only...think twice. The Monkey won't make a huge difference in TW so think twice whether you want to spend that amount of coin/gold for it or not. It is a lot better than the Phoenix but it still dies a lot because of the nature of TW.
In other words, it is great but the Monkey is expensive and your investment won't be that good if you're only planning to do TW. In this case, you're better off improving your gear.
Testing
Video of testing the Avatar of War (Monkey King). Read video's description of additional information.
PKing using Awar of War (Monkey King).
Dueling (PvP testing)
Friend's Monkey.
Monkey's state at the time of testing - lvl102 evolved, 82/100 attack, 9/20 defence, 14/25 HP, 81/100 attack lvl, 78/80 defene lvl, no Claw, RuletheWorld attack buff, no other attack boosting skills, no PvE damage boosting skills
Gear's state at the time of testing - R999 +9, weapon +12, full set, o'malley, 119 attack levels, 23k-31k magic attack unbuffed (hit 800 magic recently)
VS. myself (R999 +7, 11k HP unbuffed, 5k phys defence unbuffed/ 10k in fox form, 49 defence levels)
Monkey was dealing 3.6k damage on me with Rule The World and 1.4k with auto attacks.
Monkey was dealing 2.1k damage on me with Rule The World and 990 with auto attacks in fox form.
VS. myself (Psychic) (G16 Nirvana +6, 6k HP unbuffed, 4k phys defence unbuffed, 102 defence levels with o'malley and White Voodoo - 20 defence levels with o'malley and Black Voodoo)
Monkey was dealing 2.6k damage on me with Rule The World and 1k with auto attacks on White Voodoo.
Monkey was dealing 4.8k damage on me with Rule The World and 2k with auto attacks in Black Voodoo.
Damage comparison with Empyrean Harpy (PvE testing):
Venomancer 1 (myself)
Harpy's state at the time of testing - lvl100, evolved, 32/40 attack, 12/20 defence, 12/20 HP, 81/100 attack lvl, 32/60 defence lvl, Mood: Sensitive (Precision lvl2, Wraithslayer lvl3 20% bonus damage on monsters) with Claw and Spirit Destory
Gear's state at the time of testing - R999 +7, wearing full set, weapon +10, jone's blessing, 127 attack levels, 18k-26k magic attack unbuffed (hit 700 magic)
Venomancer 2 (monkey owner)
Monkey's state at the time of testing - lvl101 evolved, 8/100 attack, 11/20 defence, 15/25 HP, 84/100 attack lvl, 44/80 defene lvl, no Claw, RuletheWorld attack buff, no other attack boosting skills, no PvE damage boosting skills
Gear's state at the time of testing - R999 +9, weapon +12, full set, jone's blessing, 134 attack levels, 20k-28k magic attack unbuffed
Monkey's state at the time of testing - lvl102 evolved, 82/100 attack, 9/20 defence, 14/25 HP, 81/100 attack lvl, 78/80 defene lvl, no Claw, RuletheWorld attack buff, no other attack boosting skills, no PvE damage boosting skills
Gear's state at the time of testing - R999 +9, weapon +12, full set, o'malley, 119 attack levels, 23k-31k magic attack unbuffed (hit 800 magic recently)
Target - lvl75 Elysium Fowl, air monsters outside Sanctuary, metal element
Venomancer 1
Auto-attack: 6.7k average damage
Ice Stick: 9k average damage + 18k average damage
Fallen Leaf and Flying Flowers: 6.1k average damage + 18k average damage
Venomancer 2
Auto-attack: 9.7k average damage
Rule The World: 22k average damage
Heavy Load: 9.7k average damage
Auto-attack: 13k average damage
Rule The World: 33k average damage
Heavy Load: 14k average damage
Keep in mind that Rule The World has a 15 second cooldown. Heavy Load has a 30 second cooldown. Harpy's skills used for testing have 1 second cooldown.
Conclusions
Celestial Giant
The evolved Hercules remains as the best tanking pet that now comes with a pretty strong aggro stealing/keeping skill and a nice boost in its defence and HP. It can have additional aggro and self healing skills with the right moods.
It gets a pretty nice boost in attack too.
It's still worth buying one and it's not too expensive either but prices vary among the servers. It's worth acquiring one and you'll gain the ability to tank so much more in-game as well as allow you to DD more while tanking.
Heliacal Phoenix
If you're a new Venomancer considering buying it, I wouldn't recommend it personaly unless you want a cheaper PvP pet. The ticket price may vary among servers but it can go as low as ~50mil on mine at least. The Monkey is quite expensive so if budget is an issue the Phoenix is a good option.
It's not too bad in PvP but I find the Monkey more useful with its stunlocking abilities. The Phoenix only has one stun skill and a slot for a debuff (or an attack or buff) whilst the Monkey has a freeze, a stun, an AOE stun (shorter cd than Pounce) and a slot for a debuff (or an attack or buff).
It's not too bad in PvE but it can be easily replaced by other evolved pets that can perform similarly or better if you want cheaper options so unless you plan to PvP with the Phoenix I recommend against buying one for PvE purposes. If you want one, go ahead, but you might as well save the coin for your gear.
If you have one, evolve it and use it (it is really good honestly) but if you're considering buying one, at this point I wouldn't recommend it unless, like I mentioned above, you want a cheaper PvP pet option that can perform well. Otherwise, Phoenix can be back-up pet.
It all depends on your budget.
Empyrean Harpy
Strictly PvE pet equiped with magic damage, spam-able attacks, aoe attack, aoe monster stun and ranged physical damage. Good for pulling, good DPS in PvE, good for AOEing and suitable for ranged tanking.
Monkey King (Avatar of War)
A PvP oriented pet with a lot of stunlocking possibilities. It has single target freeze, single target stun and AOE stun. It's pretty much the new best PvP pet in my opinion. It's an excellent pet for PK though in TW it will still die quite a lot because of TWs nature being full of AOEs and whatnot.
As of 21/01/2014 the review is complete. All the information comes from my personal testing and experience with my Empyrean Harpy and Avatar of War with a few additions of a friend's pets (mostly at the beginning of the review when I didn't own an Avatar of War yet). The guide includes my personal conclusions, my thoughts as well as my videos of testing the pets.
Harpy
Quick Q&A
- Is it worth the 225 gold?
Probably not but it does depend on the person. Personally I don't regret spending the gold for it. I wanted to be the first person on the server to have it and I'm pleased with its capabilities (which I quite knew beforehand). It will get cheaper overtime with sales and whatnot.
- What's so special about it compared to old legendaries?
The Harpy comes with a spam-able water damage single target attack, spam-able wood damage AOE attack (can work as continuous AOE/zhen) and AOE stun. Additionally it has Claw. All skills are ranged, including the auto-attacks so it can effectively replace old pulling pets such as the cacti or the Eeldergoths. It can also range tank bosses, such examples are tanking Warsong bosses.
It's able to go on land, water and air since lvl 1 as opposed to the old legendary pets.
- Is it a "must have" ?
It's a very nice pet but it isn't a necessity.
Skills
For information on the skill descriptions and details please see this thread.
Ice Stick - spam-able ranged water damage single target attack. It deals pretty decent damage and the best part is that it's literally spam-able at 1.0 second cooldown.
Fallen Leaf and Flying Flowers - spam-able wood AOE attack, 10 meter radius. Like Ice Stick is deals good damage and has a 1.0 second cooldown which makes it a lovely AOE to have. You can set it up as continuous AOE if there's some invisible target around and you can leave the Harpy to AOE on it.
Bare-handed Cut - 3 second AOE stun with a 30 second cooldown, 10 meters radius. It's pretty neat and if your Harpy has the Mood that includes Petrification then you'll have a pet with a permanent anti-stun and the ability to AOE stun every 30 seconds. Only works on monsters. Deals physical damage.
Claw - There's not much to say about this skill. Most of you already know it from the Phoenix. Increases attack by 30%.
Spirit Destory - Harpy's exclusive pet skill upon evolving. Increase HP by 30% and skill damage dealt on monsters by 30%.
Personal experience with it
The Harpy is a PvE oriented pet. Please take notice of that. If you're considering it for PvP then you will be disappointed.
The Harpy has very low attack (just 2661 at lvl100) but the way it works is that its skills deal extra/bonus damage on monsters and has a self-buff, after the evolution, to increase skill damage dealt on monsters.
It also relies heavily on the Venomancer's attack levels (100% inherit value).
Also, since it doesn't need to auto-attack (short cooldown on skills) it can take full advantage of buff pet skills that give additional skill damage.
You can compare stats here.
The Harpy has similar stats as the Phoenix (except for the attack) so it has similar defences to it. The evolved Harpy gets a 60% inherit for defence levels and 20% for general defences, same as the evolved Phoenix.
Testing
Video of testing the Empyrean Harpy.
Video of testing the Empyrean Harpy P2.
Damage comparison with Heliacal Phoenix:
Venomancer 1 (myself)
Heliacal Phoenix's state at the time of testing - lvl101, evolved, 32/75 attack, 9/20 defence, 7/20 HP, 72/90 attack lvl, 38/60 defence level, Mood: Intrepid (Petrification, Ghost) with Claw, no other PvE damage boosting skill
Gear's state at the time of testing - R999 +7, wearing full set, weapon +10, jone's blessing, 127 attack levels, 17k-25k magic attack unbuffed
Harpy's state at the time of testing - lvl100, evolved, 32/40 attack, 12/20 defence, 12/20 HP, 81/100 attack lvl, 32/60 defence lvl, Mood: Sensitive (Precision lvl2, Wraithslayer lvl3 20% bonus damage on monsters) with Claw and Spirit Destory
Gear's state at the time of testing - G16 Nirvana +7, wearing full set for the damage boost, weapon +7, jone's blessing, 91 attack levels, 12-16k magic attack unbuffed
Harpy's state at the time of testing - lvl100, evolved, 32/40 attack, 12/20 defence, 12/20 HP, 81/100 attack lvl, 32/60 defence lvl, Mood: Sensitive (Precision lvl2, Wraithslayer lvl3 20% bonus damage on monsters) with Claw and Spirit Destory
Gear's state at the time of testing - R999 +7, wearing full set, weapon +10, jone's blessing, 127 attack levels, 18k-26k magic attack unbuffed (hit 700 magic)
Venomancer 2
Heliacal Phoenix's state at the time of testing - lvl101, evolved, 32/75 attack, 9/20 defence, 8/20 HP, 79/90 attack lvl, 33/60 defence lvl, Mood: unknown (no PvE damage boosting skills), with Claw
Gear's state at the time of testing - G16 Nirvana +5, warsoul hat/TM cape, 56 attack levels, weapon +5, o'malley blessing, 12k magic attack unbuffed (assuming that was high end)
Venomancer 3
Heliacal Phoenix's state at the time of testing - lvl100, evolved, 51/75 attack, 8/20 defence, 16/20 HP, 59/90 attack lvl, 8/60 defence lvl, Mood: unknown (no PvE damage boosting skills), with Claw
Gear's state at the time of testing - G16 Nirvana +5, full set, 90 attack levels, weapon +7, jone's blessing, 11k-15k magic attack unbuffed
Target - lvl75 Elysium Fowl, air monsters outside Sanctuary, metal element
Venomancer 1
Auto-attack: 10.5k average damage
Flesh Ream: 15k average damage with 2k bleed
Phoenix Wings Flying: 35k average damage
Auto-attack: 4k average damage
Ice Stick: 6k average damage + 12k average damage
Fallen Leaf and Flying Flowers: 5k average damage + 12k average damage
Auto-attack: 6.7k average damage
Ice Stick: 9k average damage + 18k average damage
Fallen Leaf and Flying Flowers: 6.1k average damage + 18k average damage
Venomancer 2
Auto-attack: 7k average damage
Flesh Ream: 9k average damage
Phoenix Wings Flying: 22k average damage
Venomancer 3
Auto-attack: 8k average damage
Flesh Ream: 10k average damage
Phoenix Wings Flying: 25k average damage
Keep in mind that Flesh Ream has a 15 second cooldown. Phoenix Wings Flying has 30 a second cooldown. Harpy's skills used for testing have 1 second cooldown.
Monkey King
Quick Q&A
- Is it worth the 225 gold?
Probably not but it does depend on person.
I recently got one for myself (see edit at top) and I think it's very much worth it.
- What's so special about it compared to old legendaries?
It's potentially the hardest hitting Venomancer pet as of now in PvP (check testing below). It gains 100% inherit values from attack and attack levels (as opposed to Phoenix's 75%/90%) and it is tankier with 80% inherit value for defence levels (Phoenix's 60% / Hercules 100%).
It has a good amount of control skills, making your stunlocking abilities much more effective.
It's able to go on land, water and air since lvl 1 as opposed to the old legendary pets.
- Is it a "must have" ?
If you already have a Phoenix you can do just fine with it in PvP but the Monkey is, in my opinion always, the new best PvP pet. I highly recommend it for those who can afford it.
Skills
For information on the skill descriptions and details please see this thread.
Rule The World - a hard hitting single target attack that also increases pet attack by 30% for 10 minutes upon landing, freezes target for 2 seconds.
Heavy Load - 15m range 2 second AOE stun with a 15 second cooldown, 6 meter radius. It's pretty nice for stunning a group of people in PvP or just an all around handy stun. Only works on players. DESCRIPTION IN GAME IS WRONG.
Pounce - has 80% chance to stun the target for 3 seconds, same skill as the Phoenix and Hercules.
Flesh Ream - I think everyone knows what this skill is I don't comment on it. Currently what everyone uses on their PvP pets for the bleed. I personally removed it in order to teach my pet Protect (magic defence buff).
Combat Saint - exclusive skill upon evolving, increase HP by 30% and reduce damage taken from players by 60%. The damage reduction is effective and noticeable.
This gives the Monkey more options for moods as other pets would be adviced to have a mood that contains Ghost or Spirit. Other pets lack player damage reduction buff otherwise.
Personal experience with it
The Monkey King is a PvP oriented pet, albeit it can work decently in PvE along with PvE damage boosting skills from Moods (I wouldn't recommend it however unless you do plan to PvP). It has high attack and hard hitting skills though it's not a huge difference from the Phoenix as far as I can tell.
It's tankier than the Phoenix (80% inherit defence vs. 60% of the Phoenix) and can get slightly more HP (20% vs. 25%) This is highly dependent on the inherit roll and the person's gear however.
After testing my Monkey and my Phoenix (both having really high inherit in defence lvl and decent HP/Defence) the Phoenix was taking more damage than Monkey (both physical and magical).
It can work as a tank pet with high DD output if you remove Pounce/Flesh Ream and replace them with Strong/Protect however considering the maximum potential of the two pets, Hercules remains tankier of the two at a much cheaper price.
I don't think it renders the Phoenix completely obsolete but if you really want the best PvP pet available, the Monkey's probably it. It comes with quite a bunch of control skills; single target 2 second freeze, 15m ranged AOE player 2 second stun (15s cooldown) and single target stun plus its exclusive skill reduces damage taken from players which gives you the option of getting other moods instead of player damage reducing ones (must-have on any PvP pet to survive).
The skills have relatively short cooldown (Rule the World - 15s, Heavy Load 15s) thus you can stunlock more effectively. In addition it also has Pounce. Of course there are anti-stuns but those don't last forever and after experiencing the pet myself I can say that it is very very useful and nice.
If you're planning to get a Monkey for TWs only...think twice. The Monkey won't make a huge difference in TW so think twice whether you want to spend that amount of coin/gold for it or not. It is a lot better than the Phoenix but it still dies a lot because of the nature of TW.
In other words, it is great but the Monkey is expensive and your investment won't be that good if you're only planning to do TW. In this case, you're better off improving your gear.
Testing
Video of testing the Avatar of War (Monkey King). Read video's description of additional information.
PKing using Awar of War (Monkey King).
Dueling (PvP testing)
Friend's Monkey.
Monkey's state at the time of testing - lvl102 evolved, 82/100 attack, 9/20 defence, 14/25 HP, 81/100 attack lvl, 78/80 defene lvl, no Claw, RuletheWorld attack buff, no other attack boosting skills, no PvE damage boosting skills
Gear's state at the time of testing - R999 +9, weapon +12, full set, o'malley, 119 attack levels, 23k-31k magic attack unbuffed (hit 800 magic recently)
VS. myself (R999 +7, 11k HP unbuffed, 5k phys defence unbuffed/ 10k in fox form, 49 defence levels)
Monkey was dealing 3.6k damage on me with Rule The World and 1.4k with auto attacks.
Monkey was dealing 2.1k damage on me with Rule The World and 990 with auto attacks in fox form.
VS. myself (Psychic) (G16 Nirvana +6, 6k HP unbuffed, 4k phys defence unbuffed, 102 defence levels with o'malley and White Voodoo - 20 defence levels with o'malley and Black Voodoo)
Monkey was dealing 2.6k damage on me with Rule The World and 1k with auto attacks on White Voodoo.
Monkey was dealing 4.8k damage on me with Rule The World and 2k with auto attacks in Black Voodoo.
Damage comparison with Empyrean Harpy (PvE testing):
Venomancer 1 (myself)
Harpy's state at the time of testing - lvl100, evolved, 32/40 attack, 12/20 defence, 12/20 HP, 81/100 attack lvl, 32/60 defence lvl, Mood: Sensitive (Precision lvl2, Wraithslayer lvl3 20% bonus damage on monsters) with Claw and Spirit Destory
Gear's state at the time of testing - R999 +7, wearing full set, weapon +10, jone's blessing, 127 attack levels, 18k-26k magic attack unbuffed (hit 700 magic)
Venomancer 2 (monkey owner)
Monkey's state at the time of testing - lvl101 evolved, 8/100 attack, 11/20 defence, 15/25 HP, 84/100 attack lvl, 44/80 defene lvl, no Claw, RuletheWorld attack buff, no other attack boosting skills, no PvE damage boosting skills
Gear's state at the time of testing - R999 +9, weapon +12, full set, jone's blessing, 134 attack levels, 20k-28k magic attack unbuffed
Monkey's state at the time of testing - lvl102 evolved, 82/100 attack, 9/20 defence, 14/25 HP, 81/100 attack lvl, 78/80 defene lvl, no Claw, RuletheWorld attack buff, no other attack boosting skills, no PvE damage boosting skills
Gear's state at the time of testing - R999 +9, weapon +12, full set, o'malley, 119 attack levels, 23k-31k magic attack unbuffed (hit 800 magic recently)
Target - lvl75 Elysium Fowl, air monsters outside Sanctuary, metal element
Venomancer 1
Auto-attack: 6.7k average damage
Ice Stick: 9k average damage + 18k average damage
Fallen Leaf and Flying Flowers: 6.1k average damage + 18k average damage
Venomancer 2
Auto-attack: 9.7k average damage
Rule The World: 22k average damage
Heavy Load: 9.7k average damage
Auto-attack: 13k average damage
Rule The World: 33k average damage
Heavy Load: 14k average damage
Keep in mind that Rule The World has a 15 second cooldown. Heavy Load has a 30 second cooldown. Harpy's skills used for testing have 1 second cooldown.
Conclusions
Celestial Giant
The evolved Hercules remains as the best tanking pet that now comes with a pretty strong aggro stealing/keeping skill and a nice boost in its defence and HP. It can have additional aggro and self healing skills with the right moods.
It gets a pretty nice boost in attack too.
It's still worth buying one and it's not too expensive either but prices vary among the servers. It's worth acquiring one and you'll gain the ability to tank so much more in-game as well as allow you to DD more while tanking.
Heliacal Phoenix
If you're a new Venomancer considering buying it, I wouldn't recommend it personaly unless you want a cheaper PvP pet. The ticket price may vary among servers but it can go as low as ~50mil on mine at least. The Monkey is quite expensive so if budget is an issue the Phoenix is a good option.
It's not too bad in PvP but I find the Monkey more useful with its stunlocking abilities. The Phoenix only has one stun skill and a slot for a debuff (or an attack or buff) whilst the Monkey has a freeze, a stun, an AOE stun (shorter cd than Pounce) and a slot for a debuff (or an attack or buff).
It's not too bad in PvE but it can be easily replaced by other evolved pets that can perform similarly or better if you want cheaper options so unless you plan to PvP with the Phoenix I recommend against buying one for PvE purposes. If you want one, go ahead, but you might as well save the coin for your gear.
If you have one, evolve it and use it (it is really good honestly) but if you're considering buying one, at this point I wouldn't recommend it unless, like I mentioned above, you want a cheaper PvP pet option that can perform well. Otherwise, Phoenix can be back-up pet.
It all depends on your budget.
Empyrean Harpy
Strictly PvE pet equiped with magic damage, spam-able attacks, aoe attack, aoe monster stun and ranged physical damage. Good for pulling, good DPS in PvE, good for AOEing and suitable for ranged tanking.
Monkey King (Avatar of War)
A PvP oriented pet with a lot of stunlocking possibilities. It has single target freeze, single target stun and AOE stun. It's pretty much the new best PvP pet in my opinion. It's an excellent pet for PK though in TW it will still die quite a lot because of TWs nature being full of AOEs and whatnot.
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Can you put a numerical value on the damage output of the skills and regular hits on say, seat or abba mobs?0
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I will keep testing things as I do runs and stuff, this was some quick testing I did this morning to get a general idea P:[SIGPIC]http://i.imgur.com/MtwcqjL.png[/SIGPIC]
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I don't plan to get any of them (because my veno is not my main), but it's really interesting to see that guide, I was curious to see all those info, nice guide, thank for making it.
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Thanks for the info!
If a venomancer were sitting on a +11 weapon and had a choice to get the harpy or +12; which would you choose?Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.0 -
Thanks for the info!
If a venomancer were sitting on a +11 weapon and had a choice to get the harpy or +12; which would you choose?
Hmm...I suppose if the venomancer has really good gear/refines or is r999 etc. I'd choose to +12 weapon but if the venomancer has average gear I'd choose to get the harpy.
I may be biased though, I really like pets and I'm really liking the harpy right now.[SIGPIC]http://i.imgur.com/MtwcqjL.png[/SIGPIC]
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Nice review, could you add a conclusion when you're done and satisfied with all your tests containing a little ranking of the 4 legendary pets in several situations?
For example, is the phoenix better in PvE on one enemy, but the harpy better on multiple PvE mobs, etc. And since the old legendary pets now have a new form and new skills perhaps they should be reviewed in a similar way b:victory"How do you turn this on?"0 -
EllyFire - Dreamweaver wrote: »Nice review, could you add a conclusion when you're done and satisfied with all your tests containing a little ranking of the 4 legendary pets in several situations?
For example, is the phoenix better in PvE on one enemy, but the harpy better on multiple PvE mobs, etc. And since the old legendary pets now have a new form and new skills perhaps they should be reviewed in a similar way b:victory
That's a neat idea!
I'll try to make a ranking of that sort but may take a couple of days till I can gather more data. I need to test the evolved Phoenix and Hercules but I need to find people since I can't evolve mine yet.[SIGPIC]http://i.imgur.com/MtwcqjL.png[/SIGPIC]
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Celestial Giant's special skill is a frontal AOE aggro skill that does 200% attack. Seems to generate a lot of aggro (or possibly reset aggro), I got it killed a few times in Delta using this skill against a group of melee mobs attacking an AOE DD, most likely after all ranged mobs were dead as that's my first priority in Delta.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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^^What Mayfly said. Just saw the mobs chasing the giant chasing a kiting mob in delta. -That could be annoying lol..Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.0
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Amazing information Desdi. Very informative and I enjoyed reading all of it!
To complete it a video demonstration would be ideal. Text can only explain so much, you know!
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Amazing information Desdi. Very informative and I enjoyed reading all of it!
To complete it a video demonstration would be ideal. Text can only explain so much, you know!
I suppose I could record a few things! f:cute I'll see what I can do.[SIGPIC]http://i.imgur.com/MtwcqjL.png[/SIGPIC]
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Are you sure it's 200%? I've tested this many times, and seems to be doing only a couple hundred points more damage than a basic attack. I'd also add that this is a ranged skill (I guess like 5m?)Mayfly - Dreamweaver wrote: »Celestial Giant's special skill is a frontal AOE aggro skill that does 200% attack. Seems to generate a lot of aggro (or possibly reset aggro), I got it killed a few times in Delta using this skill against a group of melee mobs attacking an AOE DD, most likely after all ranged mobs were dead as that's my first priority in Delta.0 -
My memory failed, it's 100% physical attack, and yes it's ranged, description says 10 meters[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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I did some testing today with faction mates' evolved phoenixes. I added it up.[SIGPIC]http://i.imgur.com/MtwcqjL.png[/SIGPIC]
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Bumping just to say that I added a video![SIGPIC]http://i.imgur.com/MtwcqjL.png[/SIGPIC]
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Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »Bumping just to say that I added a video!
Sweet merciful fairies of all chocolate deliciousness, finally, it's here! Thank you so much, been waiting for it for ever! BRB gonna go watch.
OMG I just saw it ... she so purdy and her animation is awesome! I ... I need it !
Oh, I just loved that song
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DeffyNature - Archosaur wrote: »Sweet merciful fairies of all chocolate deliciousness, finally, it's here! Thank you so much, been waiting for it for ever! BRB gonna go watch.
OMG I just saw it ... she so purdy and her animation is awesome! I ... I need it !
Oh, I just loved that song .
No problem! I'll try to record more later but I'm quite busy farming since it's 2x right now b:chuckle[SIGPIC]http://i.imgur.com/MtwcqjL.png[/SIGPIC]
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Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »Bumping just to say that I added a video!
Oh... oh she stands when idleing... well she's beautiful x3.
From behind it looks like she's wearing a dress sort of thing, which reminds me of Gardevoir
That's an absoluteily gorgeous-while-fighting-and-otherwise pet and that just makes me want to get her more >: Don't know when there'll be a sale though so guess I'll have the play the game of 'pretend PWI is a subscription game and get zen really gradually but not spend it until sale time'. Also to see if I'm even going to be staying around for longer than a few months 'cause it would suck to spend a bunch at once and not stay OTL"Clearly, the only logical option is Squid." -Decus <コ:彡 <コ:彡
I'm helplessly needless, and needless to say I owe you | Well I'd pull, teeter away, at the earth with my teeth, to touch your face alive | You lie, helplessly still | As your face falls apart | Well I can make your face brand new | Come take my hand and I'll take your hand | And I will pull you out | Into the sun.
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Veneir - Dreamweaver wrote: »
Oh... oh she stands when idleing... well she's beautiful x3.
From behind it looks like she's wearing a dress sort of thing, which reminds me of Gardevoir
That's an absoluteily gorgeous-while-fighting-and-otherwise pet and that just makes me want to get her more >: Don't know when there'll be a sale though so guess I'll have the play the game of 'pretend PWI is a subscription game and get zen really gradually but not spend it until sale time'. Also to see if I'm even going to be staying around for longer than a few months OTL I kinda think so..?
Yeah, I love it when she's standing next to me. That's really cute!
Otherwise, I think you should gradually work towards it as a goal to have in mind but don't get stressed over it too much. I'm kinda like that with R9 at the moment. I'm considering it and saving up coin but I'm not rushing nor stressing too much over it. If I get it, I get it..if not, oh well~ still have plenty of things to enjoy in this game...like the new evolved pets![SIGPIC]http://i.imgur.com/MtwcqjL.png[/SIGPIC]
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Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »Yeah, I love it when she's standing next to me. That's really cute!
Otherwise, I think you should gradually work towards it as a goal to have in mind but don't get stressed over it too much. I'm kinda like that with R9 at the moment. I'm considering it and saving up coin but I'm not rushing nor stressing too much over it. If I get it, I get it..if not, oh well~ still have plenty of things to enjoy in this game...like the new evolved pets! It is~. When she was little, did she come up to around your stomach or wha? (pff even that idea is cute.)
Yeah... I can't afford to stress over this game too much anyway, 'cause summer classes OTL But I've been wanting a new ranged pet for a long time and most of what I do is PvE runs with my faction though instances like BH79, so it's not really 'mandatory' but it would be really neat.
Especially if she's out in the distance using Ice Stick and I'm in fox forme so it'd be like role reversal, and having a little personal mage OTL
Well, I guess it's a good thing you forbade me from cheinkun stones 3:<"Clearly, the only logical option is Squid." -Decus <コ:彡 <コ:彡
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What's the range on Ice Stick compared to her basic attacks?
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I think the better question is, what's the area of effect of Ice Stick? (I think it's been said, even before expansion release, that the range of all of Harpy's attacks was 27 meters.)[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Range is 27 meters for both auto-attacks and skills, the AOE radius is 10 meters for both the attack and the stun skills.[SIGPIC]http://i.imgur.com/MtwcqjL.png[/SIGPIC]
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Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »Range is 27 meters for both auto-attacks and skills, the AOE radius is 10 meters for both the attack and the stun skills.
Thanks f:cuteMayfly - Dreamweaver wrote: »(I think it's been said, even before expansion release, that the range of all of Harpy's attacks was 27 meters.)
Well, I wasn't paying that much attention then. f:sweat0 -
How long does the stun last?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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OMG Desdi, what's that song that you used for the Harpy video?I copied Desdi's font color. It's too pretty. Forgive me Desdi b:thanks0
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Mayfly - Dreamweaver wrote: »How long does the stun last?
It's 3 seconds, not too bad me thinks
@ CaitlinDan - The song is called "Warte auf mich" and is made by a german band called "Faun".
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This is completely off topic but I did a German course in Uni and I'm so in love with it. Thanks for sharing a German band that is so awesome. The lyrics are so moving!
To make this thread on-topic again, I look at Harpy, and I see a lot of opportunity in PVE. Probably am gonna start farming for it tee hee. Maybe be the first on HT. (:I copied Desdi's font color. It's too pretty. Forgive me Desdi b:thanks0 -
CaitlinDan - Heavens Tear wrote: »This is completely off topic but I did a German course in Uni and I'm so in love with it. Thanks for sharing a German band that is so awesome. The lyrics are so moving!
To make this thread on-topic again, I look at Harpy, and I see a lot of opportunity in PVE. Probably am gonna start farming for it tee hee. Maybe be the first on HT. (:
No problem b:laugh
It's one of my most favourite bands. Unfortunately, I don't really know German but one day I'll learn since I'm planning to move there (work related things, plus know some people etc.) so I won't need to search for translations on their songs anymore hehe.
Good luck with your farming!
Going to work on a second testing video (and no mistakes this time lol). I recorded a delta run today so I'll try to go defend Wood/Earth and see whatever else I can add.[SIGPIC]http://i.imgur.com/MtwcqjL.png[/SIGPIC]
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Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »I'll learn since I'm planning to move there (work related things, plus know some people etc.) so I won't need to search for translations on their songs anymore hehe.
Good luck with your farming!
Going to work on a second testing video (and no mistakes this time lol). I recorded a delta run today so I'll try to go defend Wood/Earth and see whatever else I can add.
Moving to Germany, awesome, maybe I'll meet you there, after my graduation in a year. Yippee.
Oh a second test video would be awesome thank you. And thank you for your other videos, helped me understand all that pavilion stuff that's so hot right now.I copied Desdi's font color. It's too pretty. Forgive me Desdi b:thanks0
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