Things that ALL PWI players should know

Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary · May 2013

No OP, people don`t need to know this, people need to reason for themselves, these are only your own ideas and views which every1 can post here, I disagree with many things you stated!

Breannak - Raging Tide · May 2013

+1 to this tread b:cute pls sticky.

Apostasy - Raging Tide · May 2013

Raygan - Sanctuary wrote: »

1. Just because i'm a high level, DOES NOT mean I need to help you every time you ask.

Those saying this is an opinion? So, you are saying high level folk are EXPECTED to do low level lazy peoples' questing for them, as if we didnt do these things for ourselves when it was our up and coming time? ... So yeah, not just an opinion.

Raygan - Sanctuary wrote: »

2. Packs are NEVER EVER EVER going away.

Also, not an opinion, keep qq'in over packs. b:victory

Raygan - Sanctuary wrote: »

3. Cash shoppers will always have the advantage

True at least 90% of the time, unless a true f2p really has that much free time... of course everyone "merched" their r9+ fully shardeds b:laugh

Raygan - Sanctuary wrote: »

Spawn killers in Nation Wars are not bad people

Just this past weekend, I started doing this myself actually... Kill or be killed, I have gotten spawn killed enough myself, "do unto others as they have done to you" - a satanic way of thinking I most certainly agree with b:sin Stop spawn squatting.

Raygan - Sanctuary wrote: »

If you are in PK mode on a PVE server, and you drop gear, THEY DO NOT HAVE TO GIVE IT BACK.

Although you might not like this... its a fact. Again, no opinion here. Or dont go PK mode if you aint prepared to do so.

Raygan - Sanctuary wrote: »

Getting an in game "kiss" is not cheating nor is it the end of the world

I actually know of situations where gfs or wives have gotten seriously pissed about this type of lmao... if it bothers you, dont play roleplaying games... if who you are with is that upset about it, you shouldnt be with them.

Raygan - Sanctuary wrote: »

If you are selling fashion thats an ugly color, dye it, sell it cheaper, or don't whine when people won't buy it

Again, who wants to buy ugly garbage in most cases...

I am absolutely failing to see where opinion even comes into play in the list, if anything, it should be extended. b:surrender

Decus - Dreamweaver · May 2013

HrunsPanda - Archosaur wrote: »

What a support for a worthless QQ thread ???

Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary wrote: »

No OP, people don`t need to know this, people need to reason for themselves, these are only your own ideas and views which every1 can post here, I disagree with many things you stated!

Bingo. This. +1

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver · May 2013

am I the only one that loves being spawnkilled? it's like ultra fast points, spawn, charm tick, boom, repeat. if you don't have a charm you heal yourself up if you have you dd the other guys.

Boartracker - Raging Tide · May 2013

By the time players reach 100, maybe they can :

1. Learn that you can see faction chat & squad chat at the same time.

2. There is a mini map in the upper right of your screen. Click the arrow at 4 o'clock to see NPCs you can auto to. (Learn to use it.)

3. Ask the person you want to chat with if they are busy or have time to chat.

b:chuckle

b:bye

Zsw - Dreamweaver · May 2013

Raygan - Sanctuary wrote: »

Getting an in game "kiss" is not cheating nor is it the end of the world
Im sure I can't be the only one whos had this scenerio happen.

Me to friend: Can I get chi? (offer to embrace)
Friend: Sorry my wife might see

Seriously? Your wife might see you help a friend get chi before starting Delta. Are peoples social lives so sad that they freak out over who is carrying or kissing their in game avatar? And believe me Im not saying online relationships aren't real. As a matter of fact, Im marrying my in game husband who I MET on PWI at the end of this month in real life. But if someone presses the kiss button in a game is he cheating on me? Nope. Guess what, its a game, and BOTH people have the choice to press the kiss button. It isn't cheating. Is what they are saying in whispers to the person cheating? Who knows? It might be. But it could also be that its a game and someone needed chi and thought it was funny to hit the kiss button. Ive had a guy friend hold me, and kiss me as a joke only to get told off for days by their ex they didn't tell me was standing there. Really? It's sad, and I know not everyone has the best social skills and the best romantic luck out of the game, but getting so upset over a virtual kiss just makes me cringe.

Different personality and morals. You can't really judge for this.

Zanryu - Dreamweaver · May 2013

i go cyber wif ur grlfran nao

iz no chet

cuz in gaem

Unholly - Lothranis · May 2013

Holly approves of this post. b:chuckle

ovenusarmanio · May 2013

Raygan - Sanctuary wrote: »

1. Just because i'm a high level, DOES NOT mean I need to help you every time you ask.

2. Packs are NEVER EVER EVER going away

3. Cash shoppers will always have the advantage

Spawn killers in Nation Wars are not bad people

If you are in PK mode on a PVE server, and you drop gear, THEY DO NOT HAVE TO GIVE IT BACK

Getting an in game "kiss" is not cheating nor is it the end of the world

If you are selling fashion thats an ugly color, dye it, sell it cheaper, or don't whine when people won't buy it

1. Very true, but I don't blame them for being disappointed if they don't get help. The ones that pushy are annoying.

2. Doesn't mean people shouldn't complain about the cash shop divide. All that feedback is how g16 gear came about.

3. And they should, but you can't blame people for being annoyed that it isn't just an advantage, it's an automatic win in most cases. It'd be like pitting a high school basketball player against Lebron James, and then tying the high school player's hand behind his back. They already got the advantage, it does not need to be ridiculous. I think that NW has done a good job of making that gap much more reasonable though, since free players now have an instance to quickly get good farming gear. And PV will allow them to quickly level.

4. OFC it doesn't. But in terms of in reputation....Spawn Camping (I don't consider it spawn killing while running the flag to be really the same thing as just standing there) only works against enemies that were gonna lose anyway. It's kinda like kicking a much weaker opponent when they are down. Go ahead and do it if you think it's a legitimate fighting strategy, but don't expect to win person of the year for it. We're all gonna be judged on how we treat other people, so don't be surprised if you're called out for it in WC. If you don't like the consequences for your actions (called out in WC, some people thinking less of you, etc) then don't them in the first place. You can't have things both ways. That's true in real life too.

5. No, it's up to the person to give it back ofc. But again, if you kill someone and take the stuff they dropped, ofc they are going to try their utmost to get it back. And OFC they are gonna be mad if you don't. And OFC some people will think less of you for taking something valuable because someone made a silly mistake. Your actions in-game are going to define how you are treated and viewed by people in-game. Because they don't have anything else to go by. Even if you are an nice person irl, it doesn't make you an automatic nice person in-game that everyone shouldn't judge. You could easily be a nice person IRL and a total jacknut in-game. Not that people who keep the drops are those things. I personally do not care because I feel that the consequences things goes for the people who PK too. You choose to PK without the safety, deal with it, is my opinion. But I'm more than prepared to take flack for that opinion. Know that if I took a drop that was valuable from an opponent I killed, he, his friends, and people who feel like it was a jerkish, opportunistic thing to take advantage of are going to think less of me. And am prepared to accept those consequences.

6. If two people in a relationship agree not to kiss other people because they feel that it is cheating, and then one does it anyway, then they cheated. They broke their promises and trust with each other. Online relationships can still be real, and the couple defines what they want from the relationship. That's just my take on it. Different people, different morals.

7. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Just because you think it's an ugly color, doesn't mean other people won't really want that color and pay full price. It might take a little longer to find someone who likes it because it's less popular, but that doesn't mean that it is some ugly color the seller needs to do something about. A lot of people do not like green fashion, I remember a certain bm on the dreamweaver server who wore almost exclusively green fashion because he loved the color. The popular colors costs more to dye than the fashion itself, it would be absurd to dye them just to get it to sell.

These are just my thoughts on these points.

Vinat - Sanctuary · May 2013

oVenusArmanio wrote: »

1. Very true, but I don't blame them for being disappointed if they don't get help. The ones that pushy are annoying.

2. Doesn't mean people shouldn't complain about the cash shop divide. All that feedback is how g16 gear came about.

3. And they should, but you can't blame people for being annoyed that it isn't just an advantage, it's an automatic win in most cases. It'd be like pitting a high school basketball player against Lebron James, and then tying the high school player's hand behind his back. They already got the advantage, it does not need to be ridiculous. I think that NW has done a good job of making that gap much more reasonable though, since free players now have an instance to quickly get good farming gear. And PV will allow them to quickly level.

4. OFC it doesn't. But in terms of in reputation....Spawn Camping (I don't consider it spawn killing while running the flag to be really the same thing as just standing there) only works against enemies that were gonna lose anyway. It's kinda like kicking a much weaker opponent when they are down. Go ahead and do it if you think it's a legitimate fighting strategy, but don't expect to win person of the year for it. We're all gonna be judged on how we treat other people, so don't be surprised if you're called out for it in WC. If you don't like the consequences for your actions (called out in WC, some people thinking less of you, etc) then don't them in the first place. You can't have things both ways. That's true in real life too.

5. No, it's up to the person to give it back ofc. But again, if you kill someone and take the stuff they dropped, ofc they are going to try their utmost to get it back. And OFC they are gonna be mad if you don't. And OFC some people will think less of you for taking something valuable because someone made a silly mistake. Your actions in-game are going to define how you are treated and viewed by people in-game. Because they don't have anything else to go by. Even if you are an nice person irl, it doesn't make you an automatic nice person in-game that everyone shouldn't judge. You could easily be a nice person IRL and a total jacknut in-game. Not that people who keep the drops are those things. I personally do not care because I feel that the consequences things goes for the people who PK too. You choose to PK without the safety, deal with it, is my opinion. But I'm more than prepared to take flack for that opinion. Know that if I took a drop that was valuable from an opponent I killed, he, his friends, and people who feel like it was a jerkish, opportunistic thing to take advantage of are going to think less of me. And am prepared to accept those consequences.

6. If two people in a relationship agree not to kiss other people because they feel that it is cheating, and then one does it anyway, then they cheated. They broke their promises and trust with each other. Online relationships can still be real, and the couple defines what they want from the relationship. That's just my take on it. Different people, different morals.

7. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Just because you think it's an ugly color, doesn't mean other people won't really want that color and pay full price. It might take a little longer to find someone who likes it because it's less popular, but that doesn't mean that it is some ugly color the seller needs to do something about. A lot of people do not like green fashion, I remember a certain bm on the dreamweaver server who wore almost exclusively green fashion because he loved the color. The popular colors costs more to dye than the fashion itself, it would be absurd to dye them just to get it to sell.

These are just my thoughts on these points.

I agree with these points more than the original ones. Regardless, both sets are just opinions and neither are things that everyone should know... The only thing on the list that is an objective prediction based on actual facts is that packs are never going away.

To add a little more though, I don't think that "cash shoppers have the advantage" is *always* the case. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't several of Sanctuary's "top tier" players non-cash shoppers? Instead they farm events and instances like fiends, come up with glitches to exploit, and are always finding new ways to turn a buck in game? I'm not sure if they have NEVER EVER supplemented that with rl money, but it most certainly was not the bulk of their wealth in game.

As for spawn killing... there are differing degrees of it. I don't mind being killed *shortly after I spawn and have moved out of the spawn area* -- I DO MIND spawning to find 2-3 of the enemy right on top of me, no shame, thinking of themselves as "boss," just waiting for the invulnerability to wear off so they can collectively 1 shot me and everyone else who spawns. As has been stated, you can only do this to the side that is already losing/bound to lose anyway. It's overkill. And it's d-baggy. Go ahead and do it, just spare the rest of us the speech about how righteous you are for defending the flag-bearer.

And those relationships and cheating... I know several people who are either married or in a serious committed relationship IRL who make a hobby of cybering with someone while they idle around arch and "get chi" for 20 minutes at a time. Embracing and *kiss* may not be cheating in and of themselves, but they can be an indicator of what's going on in whispers.

ovenusarmanio · May 2013

Vinat - Sanctuary wrote: »

I agree with these points more than the original ones. Regardless, both sets are just opinions and neither are things that everyone should know... The only thing on the list that is an objective prediction based on actual facts is that packs are never going away.

Agreed, none of these things are fact that people absolutely must know. Things that people actually need to know are the basics of how to play, where to get customer service, etc. And yeah, many people get their stuff without spending money. It's definitely easier than before to do so as well.

XSonOfCircex - Sanctuary · May 2013

oVenusArmanio wrote: »

1. Very true, but I don't blame them for being disappointed if they don't get help. The ones that pushy are annoying.

2. Doesn't mean people shouldn't complain about the cash shop divide. All that feedback is how g16 gear came about.

3. And they should, but you can't blame people for being annoyed that it isn't just an advantage, it's an automatic win in most cases. It'd be like pitting a high school basketball player against Lebron James, and then tying the high school player's hand behind his back. They already got the advantage, it does not need to be ridiculous. I think that NW has done a good job of making that gap much more reasonable though, since free players now have an instance to quickly get good farming gear. And PV will allow them to quickly level.

4. OFC it doesn't. But in terms of in reputation....Spawn Camping (I don't consider it spawn killing while running the flag to be really the same thing as just standing there) only works against enemies that were gonna lose anyway. It's kinda like kicking a much weaker opponent when they are down. Go ahead and do it if you think it's a legitimate fighting strategy, but don't expect to win person of the year for it. We're all gonna be judged on how we treat other people, so don't be surprised if you're called out for it in WC. If you don't like the consequences for your actions (called out in WC, some people thinking less of you, etc) then don't them in the first place. You can't have things both ways. That's true in real life too.

5. No, it's up to the person to give it back ofc. But again, if you kill someone and take the stuff they dropped, ofc they are going to try their utmost to get it back. And OFC they are gonna be mad if you don't. And OFC some people will think less of you for taking something valuable because someone made a silly mistake. Your actions in-game are going to define how you are treated and viewed by people in-game. Because they don't have anything else to go by. Even if you are an nice person irl, it doesn't make you an automatic nice person in-game that everyone shouldn't judge. You could easily be a nice person IRL and a total jacknut in-game. Not that people who keep the drops are those things. I personally do not care because I feel that the consequences things goes for the people who PK too. You choose to PK without the safety, deal with it, is my opinion. But I'm more than prepared to take flack for that opinion. Know that if I took a drop that was valuable from an opponent I killed, he, his friends, and people who feel like it was a jerkish, opportunistic thing to take advantage of are going to think less of me. And am prepared to accept those consequences.

6. If two people in a relationship agree not to kiss other people because they feel that it is cheating, and then one does it anyway, then they cheated. They broke their promises and trust with each other. Online relationships can still be real, and the couple defines what they want from the relationship. That's just my take on it. Different people, different morals.

7. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Just because you think it's an ugly color, doesn't mean other people won't really want that color and pay full price. It might take a little longer to find someone who likes it because it's less popular, but that doesn't mean that it is some ugly color the seller needs to do something about. A lot of people do not like green fashion, I remember a certain bm on the dreamweaver server who wore almost exclusively green fashion because he loved the color. The popular colors costs more to dye than the fashion itself, it would be absurd to dye them just to get it to sell.

These are just my thoughts on these points.

1-3. agreed

4. While I agree with you in theory, when fighting a much weaker opponent the spawn camping isn't necessarily malicious, it usually more comes down to "I have to wait in this instance while the flag spawns twice, and if I don't get some kills I'll only get 100 contribution instead of 400." I'm not saying I take great pride in spawn killing when I do it, nor do I sit there going "yay my opponents are getting contribution while I'm getting *****" when I get in an instance with 3 or 4 others against a 15 OP people and get spawn killed myself. If Lebron James were in a game against another team and they happened to have recently hired some highschoolers, I think he'd probably still score several times. I think Raygan made a solid point

5. Agreed

6. Agreed. While personally I don't think I could feel the same way for someone in a game that I do for my boyfriend who I actually can do stuff with in real life, if people have a conversation where they set certain parameters for their relationship, breaking them is cheating whether in game or not. I do think that it also is dependent on the meaning behind it. If you're embracing someone who actually has feelings for you (and you know about that) or you have feelings for, as you're in a relationship with someone else, you might want to maybe avoid the kiss button.

7. Whether you like that puke green or not, the dye for it is much cheaper. If it takes 12 dyes to make a shirt whatever color I want it, and black dyes are 2m each, and puke green dyes are 300k each, having the puke green shirt and pure black shirt at the same price is vaguely illogical.

_Thia_ - Dreamweaver · May 2013

Here is a list of things I think you should read:

1. Just because i'm a high level, DOES NOT mean I need to help you every time you ask.

Everyone is high level now a days, or have an high lvl toon somewhere, you are not that important.

2. Packs are NEVER EVER EVER going away.

Is ok, no one buys them anymore, everyone is tired of tokens, and everybody realized by now they are a rip off.

3. Cash shoppers will always have the advantage

I have seen some high lvl well equiped cash shoppers that have no idea how to play their toons. As for keeping the game free...well with so many great free to play games out there now a days...who cares?

4.Spawn killers in Nation Wars are not bad people

No, they probably are those cash shoppers that can't play their toons....

5.If you are in PK mode on a PVE server, and you drop gear, THEY DO NOT HAVE TO GIVE IT BACK.

Erm...isn't everything bound or something now a days?

6.Getting an in game "kiss" is not cheating nor is it the end of the world

if they don't want to carry you, you will have to live with it, role playing is an important part of all mmorpg, and as far as i know kissing doesnt give you chi.

7.If you are selling fashion thats an ugly color, dye it, sell it cheaper, or don't whine when people won't buy it

I never saw anyone whine for not selling fashion and I play this game since 2008.

ovenusarmanio · May 2013

XSonOfCircex - Sanctuary wrote: »

1-3. agreed

4. While I agree with you in theory, when fighting a much weaker opponent the spawn camping isn't necessarily malicious, it usually more comes down to "I have to wait in this instance while the flag spawns twice, and if I don't get some kills I'll only get 100 contribution instead of 400." I'm not saying I take great pride in spawn killing when I do it, nor do I sit there going "yay my opponents are getting contribution while I'm getting *****" when I get in an instance with 3 or 4 others against a 15 OP people and get spawn killed myself. If Lebron James were in a game against another team and they happened to have recently hired some highschoolers, I think he'd probably still score several times. I think Raygan made a solid point

5. Agreed

6. Agreed. While personally I don't think I could feel the same way for someone in a game that I do for my boyfriend who I actually can do stuff with in real life, if people have a conversation where they set certain parameters for their relationship, breaking them is cheating whether in game or not. I do think that it also is dependent on the meaning behind it. If you're embracing someone who actually has feelings for you (and you know about that) or you have feelings for, as you're in a relationship with someone else, you might want to maybe avoid the kiss button.

7. Whether you like that puke green or not, the dye for it is much cheaper. If it takes 12 dyes to make a shirt whatever color I want it, and black dyes are 2m each, and puke green dyes are 300k each, having the puke green shirt and pure black shirt at the same price is vaguely illogical.

Err, I should probably clarify points 4 and 7. xD

4. What I mean is that many people give reasons they think makes it legitimate. And in terms of legitimacy, that really comes up to individual opinion. I'm not saying it's not an illegitimate opinion that there are reasons to spawn kill. I'm just saying, when you do things like that, expect the criticism that follows. OFC people are going to world chat about it, and OFC people are going to look down on people who just spawn kill people much weaker than themselves. It comes with the territory of someone with a lot of power killing someone much weaker than them, in a way they can't really fight back. All actions have consequences, regardless of your reasons. In terms of spawn killing, because it's considered a "cheap" or "dirty" tactic by many, many, people. You engage in it knowing that. You'll be treated the way you are treating others, regardless if you had a good reason to do it.

7. Well the way fashion selling works is there is some base, normal price for it. Usually the cost of obtaining it. You usually won't find many people selling below this price no matter the color, unless they are trying to get rid of it for quick coin. And you can find those deals in any color. Then you have premium colors, so to speak. white, black, red, and to a certain extent/depending on server, cream. People will usually upcharge for those colors. But just because some people charge more for white fashion, doesn't mean they should charge less for green fashion. And since dyes are expensive, they definitely shouldn't be dying the green fashion just to sell it. Personally, for less popular fashion I'd just stick it in the AH for a week or so. It's only 250 coins per failed attempt, so the costs of sticking in there are super small and it's much cheaper than wc for a color that is less popular.

Also people usually will get the fashion in the color they don't want, and then sell it/trade it for a color they do. Most don't purposefully dye it colors they hate. And most of the people who do use the dyes, are dying it because they don't plan on selling it anytime soon. That's why you typically can't get the full costs of the dyes back once you do dye it. Like if you paid 1.2mil each for 20 white dyes for a white lollipop dress, and those go for like 10 mil on your server. Do you really expect you can charge 34 mil for it (the cost of obtaining it and the dye?), you probably won't even get 24 mil for it (the costs of just the dye.) More than likely you'd get 14-15 though. The pure white fashion you see for sale for cheap usually came that way (or was random dyed that way), and someone was just fine with with a base price color and decided to sell off the white for a profit.

HrunsPanda - Archosaur · May 2013

_Thia_ - Dreamweaver wrote: »

3. Cash shoppers will always have the advantage

I have seen some high lvl well equiped cash shoppers that have no idea how to play their toons. As for keeping the game free...well with so many great free to play games out there now a days...who cares?

Ye as while i dont know the top players since i am not there yet, i do believe right away that the very best are not cash shoppers. Farming and merchanting your r9+12 takes a special kind of player. That player is at a huge advantage over the type of person it takes to pay 5000$ to get his gear

Those however are the extreme ends... The player that can farm r9+5 or G16+7 surely is at a disadvantage over the guy who similarly farms r9+5 but then adds some cash to make it +10. And i assume this is the area of CS/farming ratio where most people find themselves.

mm2000 · May 2013

I love it when people talk about being spawn killed in NW. You have time to rush away to a safe distance, what are you doing? Just standing there or something? Fail.

Cody__Tylor - Heavens Tear · May 2013

mm2000 wrote: »

I love it when people talk about being spawn killed in NW. You have time to rush away to a safe distance, what are you doing? Just standing there or something? Fail.

+1, I don't even understand how they get spawn killed. You get 10 second immunity to attacks, it is not hard to use speed apoth, or use rush skills when you spawn.

Thrieya - Lost City · May 2013

I wouldn't say these are things that ALL players need to know, but I would indeed say that they are things people should know to avoid being immature, spoilt, selfish, self-centered, ego-inflated, petty d-bags, especially CSers.

Don't get me wrong; I have nothing in particular against people who CS. I can appreciate the fact that it's these people who are going to be paying for my R9 in a couple years' time, but that doesn't stop them from being the biggest self-entitled *** hats I've ever run across. As much as I can totally get that this is only to be expected from people who are used to getting their way solely by throwing money at every obstacle or problem they come across, it's still very annoying to run into. Why no, I don't really care that I'm QQing.

I can't count the number of times I've WCed to form a squad for something, accepted someone with, say, a +5 3rd cast NV weapon, and turned down a +10 r9 because the +5 G16 person PMed first, got invited first, and responded first. I don't kick people just because someone with a better weapon PMs me, and while I definitely do have a basic standard of gear that people need to meet for me to accept them in my squads, I'm not going to discriminate between two people who are above that standard. Yet I also can't count the number of times I've had a +10 r9 rage-PM me just because I didn't invite them and they felt that, being +10 r9, they should've automatically gotten in any squad they were kind enough to actually bother linking their weapon to.

Raygan - Sanctuary · May 2013

I love how passionate people got over this. Yes some of this is opinion, but i'm sorry a lot of it is fact, I don't think most people even read half of what I actually said to support each one. The only one I admit is sad is my fashion one, but i'm sorry Ive never seen someone wearing a puke green dress, some colors are just not attractive.

But as for whats opinion and whats not

1-Noone is OBLIGATED to help low levels. No one in PWI is obligated to do anything besides follow the rules of PWI and therefore this is fact not opinion. I don't mind helping people. I actually like helping people. I just hate people who don't speak to me ever except when they are begging for help and then get mad if I don't want to help atm.

2-IDK who said no one is buying packs anymore because that's not close to true. I still see perfect tokens in WC all the time. Do people buy them as regularly? No, but they are still buying them or PWI which is a business first, would find another better way to make money. And as I posted there IS a way packs can go away, but based on current economy in PWI it wont happen.

3-Cash shoppers may not be the most talented players, but i'm sorry, if you've ever NWed against a squad of r999 +12 people, its hard to kill them no matter how good you are and how bad they are. I'm not saying they are the best players Im simply stating they will always have the advantage in this game. Again, fact, not opinion. Id have an advantage irl too if I had money to blow on stuff like college rather then paying interest on my loans for 10 yrs.

NW spawn killers again its part of the game, if your computer is slow etc ok that sucks but most people myself included tab target, idk if you just spawned or are afk just getting points on an alt! The only dbag spawn killers imo are people who put up things like db and vortex on spawn points.

In game kissing?-Ok this one is more opinion, but seriously this is a video game. Grow up. If anyone bothered to read, i'm not saying online relationships aren't real or valid. I MET MY REAL LIFE FIANCE ON PWI. But we are mature enough to understand that this is a video game, the kiss option is on BOTH peoples screens and that holding someone and kissing is VIRTUAL. Again as I stated, a person MAY be emotionally cheating in whispers or in words to someone else, but someone pressing a kiss button in a game is not a big deal for a mature and trusting relationship.

oVenusArmanio wrote: »

6. If two people in a relationship agree not to kiss other people because they feel that it is cheating, and then one does it anyway, then they cheated. They broke their promises and trust with each other. Online relationships can still be real, and the couple defines what they want from the relationship. That's just my take on it. Different people, different morals.

and btw I agree 100% with this is if 2 people agree its an issue and then do it anyway, yes its cheating. Its simple if someone needs chi then, make it clear its an issue using the kiss button etc. This is a different circumstance then I had a guy hold me for chi, he presses kiss, then my hubby flips out at me for no reason. OR as in the example I gave, jerk friend of mine asks for chi, kisses me infront of his ex I didnt know about, and I wanted to bl her to stop her from harassing me.

But btw since this was a thread IIIIII posted, it was inferred that all of this was
IN MY OPINION.
I didn't know people couldn't figure that out :P

HrunsPanda - Archosaur · May 2013

It is extremely arrogant to title your opinion "things that ALL PWI players should know"

Raygan - Sanctuary · May 2013

HrunsPanda - Archosaur wrote: »

It is extremely arrogant to title your opinion "things that ALL PWI players should know"

LOL sorry I didn't title it "things that ALL PWI players should know IN MY OPINION"
I again felt it was inferred as I was the one who posted it. Though I do believe many of them are fact as stated 2 posts above this.

Crixxix - Raging Tide · May 2013

Raygan - Sanctuary wrote: »

Getting an in game "kiss" is not cheating nor is it the end of the world
Im sure I can't be the only one whos had this scenerio happen.

Me to friend: Can I get chi? (offer to embrace)
Friend: Sorry my wife might see

Seriously? Your wife might see you help a friend get chi before starting Delta. Are peoples social lives so sad that they freak out over who is carrying or kissing their in game avatar? And believe me Im not saying online relationships aren't real. As a matter of fact, Im marrying my in game husband who I MET on PWI at the end of this month in real life. But if someone presses the kiss button in a game is he cheating on me? Nope. Guess what, its a game, and BOTH people have the choice to press the kiss button. It isn't cheating. Is what they are saying in whispers to the person cheating? Who knows? It might be. But it could also be that its a game and someone needed chi and thought it was funny to hit the kiss button. Ive had a guy friend hold me, and kiss me as a joke only to get told off for days by their ex they didn't tell me was standing there. Really? It's sad, and I know not everyone has the best social skills and the best romantic luck out of the game, but getting so upset over a virtual kiss just makes me cringe.

^ This. I LOL'ed so hard when I read this, because my RL wife plays, and was in my faction. I've had people downright deny to marry me in game because of this. I often joked that I told her that I married her once, no way in hell that I'm gonna marry her again. b:laugh

Totally gotta agree here, and gratz on your marriage Raygen! b:cute

Edit: How are packs illegal in China? If they are, then why the hell do we have them? The one thing we get that China doesn't, and it has to be some BS like this? f:laugh

Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary · May 2013

Cody__Tylor - Heavens Tear wrote: »

+1, I don't even understand how they get spawn killed. You get 10 second immunity to attacks, it is not hard to use speed apoth, or use rush skills when you spawn.

Take into account insane lags many people experience during NW, the time it takes for you to respawn, the immunity is already gone!

Nature_God - Sanctuary · May 2013

You are so very wrong about spawn killers. They are bad people indeed. Real players would want a challenge, spawn killing actually shows how scared you are and weak. I in other hand wont spawn kill others, reason: I want challenge and I want fights to be fair.

Just my opinion, spawn killing takes all the means away from player vs player.

xfiltheyrichx · May 2013

well that's it

LadyTsuki - Harshlands · May 2013

Raygan if it's your opinion then change the title. Because the title "Things that ALL PWI players should know" makes it sound like you're stating facts. And if that's the case then can you actually back up your so called points with some valid proof. And no..things you've seen or heard does not count as proof

Takeva - Heavens Tear · May 2013

_Thia_ - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Here is a list of things I think you should read:

1. Just because i'm a high level, DOES NOT mean I need to help you every time you ask.

Everyone is high level now a days, or have an high lvl toon somewhere, you are not that important.

I don't think they were saying they were important. Took that the wrong way or read it the way you wanted to read it. For me it came down to stop helping people in the lower levels period because I was being demanded to help. I was even cursed out for wanting to get my own BH done. Who are they to boss me around just because I'm already level 100+. I play the game for me, not them.

2. Packs are NEVER EVER EVER going away.

Is ok, no one buys them anymore, everyone is tired of tokens, and everybody realized by now they are a rip off.

Lies. Saw a crapload of red text when new packs came out. And token prices are rising because people are buying them by the bulk because of pots. Not everyone can afford a charm right away.

3. Cash shoppers will always have the advantage

I have seen some high lvl well equiped cash shoppers that have no idea how to play their toons. As for keeping the game free...well with so many great free to play games out there now a days...who cares?

I agree with you here but it doesn't change the fact that cash shoppers have the advantage but after a while skillful players will catch up. Just takes time.

4.Spawn killers in Nation Wars are not bad people

No, they probably are those cash shoppers that can't play their toons....

LOL I so agree to this one! It makes me LOL to see a gooned 105 seeker r9r3 armor, camping out on spawn. Why? Because they obviously fail at taking these players out when they can defend themselves. Yes, even that level 80 that"s obviously a threat and must not live.

5.If you are in PK mode on a PVE server, and you drop gear, THEY DO NOT HAVE TO GIVE IT BACK.

Erm...isn't everything bound or something now a days?

Not everything is bound. We have people pking with lunar nirvana gear and no Guardian Scrolls. Then they QQ about the aftermath.

6.Getting an in game "kiss" is not cheating nor is it the end of the world

if they don't want to carry you, you will have to live with it, role playing is an important part of all mmorpg, and as far as i know kissing doesnt give you chi.

You do know there is a "KISS" button when holding someone for chi, right?
People who get mad about this are freaking childish to me. You cannot get mad about this. Doesn't matter if you're dating in real life or not. Holding someone is the fastest way to get chi. Your partner will not always be near. If you happen to see them kiss, most random people press the kiss as a thanks. Why get mad? I can understand if they were talking dirty to each other, but not an in-game kiss.

7.If you are selling fashion thats an ugly color, dye it, sell it cheaper, or don't whine when people won't buy it

I never saw anyone whine for not selling fashion and I play this game since 2008.

We really must be playing two different games. I've seen people QQ over some petty stuff. Like in Warsong/Nirvana(RIP), when someone drops something for the lead to pick up. The lead picks up to late and the item goes into the bag of someone random. When the person doesn't drop the item right away, one of the squad members would get upset and ***** about it.
I've seen people QQ about getting KS'd during mob killing events like Tiger Event. There are not that many mobs but a lot players bunched together. Do you really think no one will target the same mob as you? Everyone tabs and kills now.

*Reply in Green*

As for the OP, I agree with everything but the spawn killing. If you don't see people camping out at spawn for lulz and points, I want to be in all of you're NW battles.
This is your opinion and your title is misleading. Not everyone needs to know all of this stuff. Because not everyone will agree with you. Shouldn't get mad for people disagreeing if it is suppose to be your opinion. I'd advise changing the title if you want to keep going on with "This is only my opinion!" response.

Raygan - Sanctuary · May 2013

I did add a this is "MOSTLY" my opinion response because as I pointed out several times, not all of it is technically opinion IE no one is obligated to help anyone etc.
Idc if the thread keeps going anyway, I posted in a night when I think every single one of these things happened in like a 3 day span and writing this took out my frustration so I could just go back to playing b:pleased so Keep discussing if you'd like, or don't.

But I do recommend people learn the difference between opinion and fact since yes some of this is opinion but much is also fact.

FACTS
Noone is obligated to help anyone - esp not every time they ask as my post states

Packs are never going away since PWI continues to make money on them.

The biggest Cash shoppers will always have the best strongest gear first and therefor the ability to get more nw tokens etc etc etc IE an advantage

If in PK mode you drop something, by the rules of PWI the person who gets it DOES NOT have to give it back.

please tell me which of these things is opinion?
Some of the others yes. Kissing yes, fashion yes but I even stand by my spawn killing in the context of my post. If I spawn kill you cause i'm chasing my flag carrier and I tab target you? Get out of your spawn points asap, PWI gives you time. If your computer sucks, use lower graphic settings. As Ive already posted too, I believe SOME spawn killers IE people who db and vortex on spawn points ARE jerks, I just meant spawn killing in a more general sense.

LadyTsuki - Harshlands · May 2013

Raygan - Sanctuary wrote: »

I did add a this is "MOSTLY" my opinion response because as I pointed out several times, not all of it is technically opinion IE no one is obligated to help anyone etc.
Idc if the thread keeps going anyway, I posted in a night when I think every single one of these things happened in like a 3 day span and writing this took out my frustration so I could just go back to playing b:pleased so Keep discussing if you'd like, or don't.

But I do recommend people learn the difference between opinion and fact since yes some of this is opinion but much is also fact.

FACTS
Noone is obligated to help anyone - esp not every time they ask as my post states

Packs are never going away since PWI continues to make money on them.

The biggest Cash shoppers will always have the best strongest gear first and therefor the ability to get more nw tokens etc etc etc IE an advantage

If in PK mode you drop something, by the rules of PWI the person who gets it DOES NOT have to give it back.

please tell me which of these things is opinion?
Some of the others yes. Kissing yes, fashion yes but I even stand by my spawn killing in the context of my post. If I spawn kill you cause i'm chasing my flag carrier and I tab target you? Get out of your spawn points asap, PWI gives you time. If your computer sucks, use lower graphic settings. As Ive already posted too, I believe SOME spawn killers IE people who db and vortex on spawn points ARE jerks, I just meant spawn killing in a more general sense.

I just about facepalmed.

Packs aren't the only things that PW makes money off of. They make money off of R9 stuff, medals and all that. Oh and fashion. Inventory stuff, Bank stuff. Reset notes. Ohhh and Battle packs. And loads of other things. Refines. Etc.

And show me where the actual rules states the last point.

I did say that you have to back up your points. Otherwise I'll just take it that concede since you're unable to, and are just stating your opinion.

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