HT most helpful person gets r9 ring

calvinzeng

Kerushii - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I nominate dyrl. He's always there when someone needs help b:pleased

Is he r9?

Kerushii - Heavens Tear

Nope, He is only R8

Maelael - Heavens Tear

calvinzeng wrote: »

Is he r9?

Aaaand this is why you need rules and to think this out more. The poster could be Dryl. lol.

I will totally make fun of you if you end up gearing some noob that really isn't anywhere near altruistic.

calvinzeng

Maelael - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Aaaand this is why you need rules and to think this out more. The poster could be Dryl. lol.

I will totally make fun of you if you end up gearing some noob that really isn't anywhere near altruistic.

I totally agree, that's why I have decided that the mods are in better position to conduct the poll. Also I hope those on HT can help to verify if they are indeed not r9. Cuz the purpose of this is to help non cash-shoppers or only small cash-shoppers. I hope everyone will vote in good spirit. If this goes well maybe we can have more of this in future, like once every 2 months.

Dyrl - Heavens Tear

I am not anywhere near R9

calvinzeng

Dyrl - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I am not anywhere near R9

Ok I have put your name among those being nominated.

Kerushii - Heavens Tear

Well, for 1, I'm not dyrl, and 2, he is no noob..trust me.

Dyrl - Heavens Tear

whyarcher88 wrote: »

LOL you can't vote yourself and besides I think your r9b:angry

Maelael - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Aaaand this is why you need rules and to think this out more. The poster could be Dryl. lol.

I will totally make fun of you if you end up gearing some noob that really isn't anywhere near altruistic.

I am not the type to play games like that as some do. And your assumption that someone is noob and altruistic is completely unfounded, but who would expect any different behavior from someone who has no clue who I am and what I am about. I would suggest from the OP that if this thread becomes demeaning to others and filled with garbage as it is looking to be that perhaps it should be restarted. I have no alts and anyone can check my char. There is, however hundreds of people with an R9 main and 6 alts who will scam the contest.

Maelael - Heavens Tear

Dyrl - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I am not the type to play games like that as some do. And your assumption that someone is noob and altruistic is completely unfounded, but who would expect any different behavior from someone who has no clue who I am and what I am about. I would suggest from the OP that if this thread becomes demeaning to others and filled with garbage as it is looking to be that perhaps it should be restarted. I have no alts and anyone can check my char. There is, however hundreds of people with an R9 main and 6 alts who will scam the contest.

Hence my point. I was speaking about how some (bleep) could just do a million voting alts, or some random noob just gets a buncha buddies/fac mates together to vote for them.

But lets use you as an example.

1. You have a closed Core Connect profile, so does the person 1 upping you. Not that core connect is awesome at identifying anything, as it says I have level 5 Blacksmithing on this account, and Ive totally not made it past level 1. Since 2009. So theres no way currently to identify you, as you, or your supporters, as you.

2. I've never heard of ya. I could prolly poll...like 50 people who do random BHs every day have never heard of ya. I have heard of Annalyse, grouped with her, and seen her generosity. Im betting more than 1 of those 50 have encountered her too.

3. Zero reasoning has been cited why you're helpful. Did you do one RB for your friend there? Or have you spread the love to a lot of people on the server that they know your name, seek you out for help (be it instances or advice), and your flist is overflowing?

4. The fact that you thought I was targeting you, that you felt you needed to defend yourself (instead of letting your actions and reputation speak for yourself), and then went all "have and have not" makes you come across as a whiner who will do anything for some gear.

5. YOU NOMINATED YOURSELF. jfc if you don't think thats suspect or even just flat out stupid, reality and you need to have a sit down for coffee at the very least.

I'm all for Calvin's idea. I think it's wonderful and Id like to help him with it if he has a solid plan together to accomplish this (He does not right now).

I like the idea of rewarding altruistic people. But look up the definition of Altruism before you go all defending yourself or talking yourself up.

Kerushii - Heavens Tear

Wow..Please Calm Yourself Down...

1. I can't speak for my friend why he chooses to keep his core connect closed, some are just private people. I have my own reasons that if you want to know, Ill gladly email them to you or add you as a friend on core connect so you can see my profile.

2. I have never heard of you either, or this other player you speak of. The server is huge, not everyone is going to know everybody.

3. If you want reasoning for how dyrl is helpful:

- He has helped a few on that last bit they needed to get their R8
- He runs random BHs daily, never charges for wines, mirages, or any type of payment
- Yes he has run my RBs with me
- He has put many of his quests and culties on the back burner so someone else could have help with theirs
-We have failed many a MQ because he would see a wc over and over again from the same person looking for help and getting non, that he would go and help them.

-If he has it on him, and you need it, he will give it

and so much more...

4. dyrl isn't a whiner...but when you use his quote to make an example, that would make anyone feel like you are targeting them.

5. lol, knowing him, he was being a smartass when he nominated himself, that's just his personality

and you are right, Calvin does have a wonderful idea on rewarding those who are selfless

Iyania - Heavens Tear

Maelael - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Hence my point. I was speaking about how some (bleep) could just do a million voting alts, or some random noob just gets a buncha buddies/fac mates together to vote for them.

But lets use you as an example.

1. You have a closed Core Connect profile, so does the person 1 upping you. Not that core connect is awesome at identifying anything, as it says I have level 5 Blacksmithing on this account, and Ive totally not made it past level 1. Since 2009. So theres no way currently to identify you, as you, or your supporters, as you.

2. I've never heard of ya. I could prolly poll...like 50 people who do random BHs every day have never heard of ya. I have heard of Annalyse, grouped with her, and seen her generosity. Im betting more than 1 of those 50 have encountered her too.

3. Zero reasoning has been cited why you're helpful. Did you do one RB for your friend there? Or have you spread the love to a lot of people on the server that they know your name, seek you out for help (be it instances or advice), and your flist is overflowing?

4. The fact that you thought I was targeting you, that you felt you needed to defend yourself (instead of letting your actions and reputation speak for yourself), and then went all "have and have not" makes you come across as a whiner who will do anything for some gear.

5. YOU NOMINATED YOURSELF. jfc if you don't think thats suspect or even just flat out stupid, reality and you need to have a sit down for coffee at the very least.

I'm all for Calvin's idea. I think it's wonderful and Id like to help him with it if he has a solid plan together to accomplish this (He does not right now).

I like the idea of rewarding altruistic people. But look up the definition of Altruism before you go all defending yourself or talking yourself up.

I don't think it's fair of you to pick on him for replying to the thread. It was in fact you who first brought up that the person nominating Dyrl was his alt. If he was in fact as helpful and altruistic as his friend claims, he wouldn't let her suffer your insinuations without a reply.

Also I have core connect closed on every single account of mine (and I have many). I don't believe that implies to any degree that I try to hide my identity, if I post from any of those accounts.

Also, I've heard of Dyrl, even though I only log on weekends to TW and NW. I've never squaded with him so I can't say how helpful or unhelpful he is, but I've heard of him and have seen his name in spite of my...let's see....6 hours a week on PW.

Maelael - Heavens Tear

Kerushii - Heavens Tear wrote: »

We have failed many a MQ

You're nominating and defending your freaking IG husband....

Okay since you didn't look up altruism apparently, here's your next challenge: Nepotism.

Sigh....kids these days and not being able to google a word for a definition. I'd mention something about my lawn but Im actually standing on Calvin's.

Iyania - Heavens Tear

I thought the examples she put fit "altruism" fine. I think a few of them are exaggerated and silly, but they do fit the definition of "altruism."

Maelael - Heavens Tear

Iyania - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I don't think it's fair of you to pick on him for replying to the thread. It was in fact you who first brought up that the person nominating Dyrl was his alt. If he was in fact as helpful and altruistic as his friend claims, he wouldn't let her suffer your insinuations without a reply.

Also I have core connect closed on every single account of mine (and I have many). I don't believe that implies to any degree that I try to hide my identity, if I post from any of those accounts.

Also, I've heard of Dyrl, even though I only log on weekends to TW and NW. I've never squaded with him so I can't say how helpful or unhelpful he is, but I've heard of him and have seen his name in spite of my...let's see....6 hours a week on PW.

Yea but the point was...I wasn't saying Dyrl was bad, I was saying there should be a standard for the nominees. Otherwise its a waste

Dyrl could be the most helpful person on the server compared to others, but only him and his IG wife touting it is kinda well...nepotistic and silly.

Also, bolded for importance:

The poster could be Dryl.

"used to express possibility"


Finally, a selfless person (aka, Altruistic) wouldn't ask for a reward. Her examples fit it, his actions afterwords kinda are well...he nominated himself lol.

Iyania - Heavens Tear

Maelael - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Yea but the point was...I wasn't saying Dyrl was bad, I was saying there should be a standard for the nominees. Otherwise its a waste

Dyrl could be the most helpful person on the server compared to others, but only him and his IG wife touting it is kinda well...nepotistic and silly.

Also, bolded for importance:



"used to express possibility"


Finally, a selfless person (aka, Altruistic) wouldn't ask for a reward. Her examples fit it, his actions afterwords kinda are well...he nominated himself lol.

There's no difference if you said "could." The point is you called attention to the possibility of them being the same person, and he defended her by posting.

Also I don't think Dyrl nominated himself so it's not like he was asking for a reward. He said he wasn't the same person Kerushii and he wasn't r9. I think though that if you're going for a by the letter definition of altruism this contest wouldn't happen, because technically the people worthy of it wouldn't want it.

DeadRaven - Sanctuary

Good luck with the contest! I do not play on Heaven's Tear but I think its a great idea to reward people for their unselfish contributions to fostering a positive gaming experience for others and helping to build a community of happy players.

Unfortunately, past experiences have show that this kind of thing is problematic to pull off. Perhaps this link might contain something to learn from to make this contest more successful.

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=517802

Hope this one lasts longer. By the way, miss you StarrX b:cry

Dyrl - Heavens Tear

Maelael - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Hence my point. I was speaking about how some (bleep) could just do a million voting alts, or some random noob just gets a buncha buddies/fac mates together to vote for them.

But lets use you as an example.

1. You have a closed Core Connect profile, so does the person 1 upping you. Not that core connect is awesome at identifying anything, as it says I have level 5 Blacksmithing on this account, and Ive totally not made it past level 1. Since 2009. So theres no way currently to identify you, as you, or your supporters, as you.

2. I've never heard of ya. I could prolly poll...like 50 people who do random BHs every day have never heard of ya. I have heard of Annalyse, grouped with her, and seen her generosity. Im betting more than 1 of those 50 have encountered her too.

3. Zero reasoning has been cited why you're helpful. Did you do one RB for your friend there? Or have you spread the love to a lot of people on the server that they know your name, seek you out for help (be it instances or advice), and your flist is overflowing?

4. The fact that you thought I was targeting you, that you felt you needed to defend yourself (instead of letting your actions and reputation speak for yourself), and then went all "have and have not" makes you come across as a whiner who will do anything for some gear.

5. YOU NOMINATED YOURSELF. jfc if you don't think thats suspect or even just flat out stupid, reality and you need to have a sit down for coffee at the very least.

I'm all for Calvin's idea. I think it's wonderful and Id like to help him with it if he has a solid plan together to accomplish this (He does not right now).

I like the idea of rewarding altruistic people. But look up the definition of Altruism before you go all defending yourself or talking yourself up.

When a player nominates her in game hubby is that nepotism? I believe not because she in no way has influence over the outcome. Don't throw words and concepts around that are well out of your league. You came from somewhere and have turned this contest into a mockery with your misguided perception of being a know it all. Log on now and poll WC....see for yourself. Ask who has the smile squads and has never asked for class, level or to link a weapon. Lol ask your fac leader who I am. Anyway I am out of this and I officially withdraw my name. You have been successful in ruining a perfectly good contest with your grandstanding. I would have just given away the prize coin anyway as I have with everything I have...that is my game, help and have fun, a concept which seems top have escaped you.

And one more thing....ask for the next year if you must, I have asked for nothing from anyone. There are R9s who I ran through their low lvl BH's. Don't ASSume ask around. Will I help you in this? No, you are not a part of this contest except as a troll and above everything else I owe you no explanation of anything.

Kyanelle - Heavens Tear

There are a few selfless people on this server. I could nominate one due to them pming my alt when I was looking for a tank for BH69 and couldn't find one, and I have seen them world chat saying they will help with low level BHs, Bosses etc, but unfortunately they are already R9.

This would be a good contest, however how do you work out who is the most helpful? Is it the number of times they help, or what they help with?

ovenusarmanio

Added a rule about explaining your reasons for nomination, and no self nominations.

And guys please don't harass the nominees. The top 10 nominees will be selected at the deadline as stated above. Calvin is trying to do a good thing here, let's try to keep this a positive experience for those involved.

Fonyan - Heavens Tear

Honestly, there are many helpful people on HT, but less than half of them are known. I'll nominate (are we voting or nominating here?) Annalyse as well because she's pretty well-known for being generous and Nocturne is a very helpful faction from what I've heard.

ovenusarmanio

Fonyan - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Honestly, there are many helpful people on HT, but less than half of them are known. I'll nominate (are we voting or nominating here?) Annalyse as well because she's pretty well-known for being generous and Nocturne is a very helpful faction from what I've heard.

Well Calvin asked us to use a poll to help determine who the final winner is, and the only way to do that fairly is to collect a list of nominations. The top 10 nominees will then be moved on to the more traditional voting poll that will be public. Only fair way to do it in the time span he stated he would like. If there aren't even 10 nominees that accept the nomination, then all of them can move on.

calvinzeng

I had passed to ViciousMinx 32 gst for safekeeping to show that I'm not trolling. Will pass her 3 mog tomorrow. She had captured a screenshot and posted it at opening post. If in the event the eventual winner do not want r9 ring and instead want something else of equivalent value, I'll trade with Vicious again and she'll pass them to the eventual winner. If there're more than 10 nominations, I'll add 2 more consolation prizes worth 50 gold each or of equivalent value.

I know Maelael, he's a very nice guy and very helpful. He has every right to be skeptical and he has raised some serious questions.

I had also seen Dyrl helping helping countless people on HT, I do hope you reconsider your withdrawal. Most likely the winners will use the proceeds from the rewards to help more low levels. But I do hope that the winners will at least keep some of the rewards.

Guys please for once be less cynical and vote in good spirits. If this goes well, we can do it every 2 months.

Once again thanks so much to VenusArmanio and ViciousMinx for your help.

viciousminx

You're very welcome. It's nice to see a contest to reward the unsung heroes of PWI.

calvinzeng

Hi guys I have managed to persuade Dyrl to continue taking part in the contest.

zipomatic1

Crazy__Erik

Ezio_Sin - Heavens Tear

Fayiah, she has helped me a lot since i have been in her faction and i think she certainley deserves r9.

Maelael - Heavens Tear

Actually don't give Dyrl the option to drop out heh. Put him in!

My concern is/was a popularity contest without standards and oversight based upon altruism is just gonna be a magnet for Cons, Lies, the Greedy and the Needy. Nobodys generousity, especially on the level Calvin is giving, deserves to be exploited or taken advantage of imho.

RalDrizeyl - Heavens Tear

I vote for cuttiebooty b:victory

ovenusarmanio

Guys don't forget to have the person being nominated come and accept the nomination. And to include a reason as to why you're nominating them. It just helps address player concerns such as the ones previously raised in this thread.

zipomatic1 wrote: »

Crazy__Erik

Could you please give a reason as to why you're nominating him?

Dyrl - Heavens Tear

Maelael - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Actually don't give Dyrl the option to drop out heh. Put him in!

My concern is/was a popularity contest without standards and oversight based upon altruism is just gonna be a magnet for Cons, Lies, the Greedy and the Needy. Nobodys generousity, especially on the level Calvin is giving, deserves to be exploited or taken advantage of imho.

Once again you make a response with me as the subject. You have more than demonstrated your ignorance of who I am and what I am about. You were heard and responded to many times prior and yet you still continue to troll.

Pure altruism consists of sacrificing something for someone other than the self (e.g. sacrificing time, energy or possessions) with no expectation of any compensation or benefits, either direct, or indirect (e.g., receiving recognition for the act of giving).

Using the term altruism as often as you have further shows that you have no concept of who I am. Using the term altruism in the same sentence with words such as Cons, Lies, Greedy and Needy is an improper use of the word and it's meaning. As you stated previously in your response/trolling to me, learn the definition and proper use of words before spouting them off. Anyway have at it with your nonsense for I have made my last response in this matter. Any further discussions with me will only be responded to through pms and not here. I am tired of you using this forum as an attempt to serve your selfish needs (hmmm selfish, opposite of altruistic).