question: OP archer VS OP other class

MageFizban - Lost City

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

at least someone is keeping the the nigerian princes in business.

relevant

locker09

Joe - Momaganon wrote: »

And I ofc havn't heard of any Archer that would have survived a full+12 Barbs Armageddon.



for this one i just do evasion buff everytime barbs arma me. works everytime

Joe - Momaganon

locker09 wrote: »

Joe - Momaganon wrote: »

And I ofc havn't heard of any Archer that would have survived a full+12 Barbs Armageddon.



for this one i just do evasion buff everytime barbs arma me. works everytime

Yeah sure, xD I had to make it more clear, I never heard of anyone surviving it when it actually hits. Thats a main reason why I never pk without BloodBath on =P 9,6k Accu will have a decent chance to hit (:

For the main Topic: Killing heavy classes depends on your luck, really. If you gonna fight a good BM with your kind of "End-game" gear then you need to purge the bm. The rest of your attacking strategy depends on what marrow the BM will use, most likely Mage marrow. Thus would mean that his phy def will go down quite a bit, but will still be higher then his mag def (depends on gear tho).

So if you're not tricky and use other debuffs, then it will be so hard to kill them (hint: like stated before, get yourself a r8recast Bow with thunderstrike proc (freezes Target for 4 seconds and reduces phys and mag def by 50% for 8 seconds) and combine it in that situation with tangling mire which will result in 0 Pdef for the bm, but it's really luck dependend if you even get all this done in a few seconds).) That's why I dont like Archers that much. You need to perform tricky stuff to even be able to kill some classes, unlike Barbs. The Barbarian is the only class that can kill anything in pk. Debuffs come fast and Arma zerk crit is more then enough dmg to one-shot even 30k+ HP ppl if purged ofc =P).

So you see, it all comes down to debuffs End-game wise. If you can debuff your enemy you can beat them easily. That's why Psys suck and sins as well End-Game-wise. Archers got at least their Metal def reduce, better then nothing. There is just no way to get through those redicolous def levels without debuffs. Try to kill a full buffed ~140 def elvel seeker with 25+ HP...nearly impossible, same goes for barbs like this.

Tho purged and debuffed seekers are more like helpless BMs. In this state they shouldn't be hard to kill anymore.

Off-Topic: Isn't it funny that at first sins were feared the most in low and mid-range PvP and now they suck so bad in End-Game. I don't even care if I see sins pop up at my side in NW, TW, doesn't matter if they are full r9. Sins are laughable, good for you guys that you are archers xDDD

Dai_Viper - Archosaur

RankNine - Momaganon wrote: »

2nd) wizards and psys are a cake to kill...usually 3 shot.

Come to eat me plzb:chuckle

MageFizban - Lost City

Joe - Momaganon wrote: »

Off-Topic: Isn't it funny that at first sins were feared the most in low and mid-range PvP and now they suck so bad in End-Game. I don't even care if I see sins pop up at my side in NW, TW, doesn't matter if they are full r9. Sins are laughable, good for you guys that you are archers xDDD

eh you're a barb.

Quilue - Sanctuary

The real problem here is the balance between offense and defense in this game. When classes can defend much better than they can deal damage, archers lose out.

RunningTiger - Dreamweaver

Here is what to expect from such a wizard as you guys are discussing
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1553951

Personally I think psy is probably still the most op, but both wizzy an archer are reasonably op too.

MageFizban - Lost City

RunningTiger - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Here is what to expect from such a wizard as you guys are discussing
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1553951

Personally I think psy is probably still the most op, but both wizzy an archer are reasonably op too.

You need more endgame experience.
Plus adroit was killing narbs in those vids mostly.

Quilue - Sanctuary

Well to be honest, archers are very capable of scoring hits of 10k+, even 20k+ against people with worse gear. It is really the endgame targets that this thread is discussing about.

Transcend - Lost City

Facerolled - Raging Tide wrote: »

Archer ... endgame sucks compared to almost every other class.

Sounds eerily familiar to the archer forums in '08-'09! b:surrender

We'll always be perceived as the gimped class of pw, but the fun factor overall is pretty high imo.