question: OP archer VS OP other class
here OP mean full r9-3recast, weapon+12, other+10
Don't consider shards, it could be few josd + some vit stone, but not full
Just consider this situation in TW/NW, when other class use out any immune ( genie, apo), now, we can use spark and IG, then attack them, which other OP class we can kill him in 12sec
can any OP arhcer give some answer according your experience?
it may be two situations
1) strip buff happen
2) no strip buff happen
It seems HA is hard, even strip them buff.
Don't consider shards, it could be few josd + some vit stone, but not full
Just consider this situation in TW/NW, when other class use out any immune ( genie, apo), now, we can use spark and IG, then attack them, which other OP class we can kill him in 12sec
can any OP arhcer give some answer according your experience?
it may be two situations
1) strip buff happen
2) no strip buff happen
It seems HA is hard, even strip them buff.
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If the archer in question is OP, why wouldn't their armour also be +12?Proving that not only archers do math since 2009. b:victory
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Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »If the archer in question is OP, why wouldn't their armour also be +12?
I know real OP is full+12 and full Josd. but I am in PVE server, it isn't too much right now. maybe 0-3(not sure) each class. It rarely meet them.
R9+3rdrecast just become easy cuz NW reason recently.
many OP old players are still not fullR999+12 yet, cuz they stay on full r9+12 / full R9+2ndrecast+12. Maybe theyl don't get enough coins to full+12 and full shards again until now.
but armor+10 and weapon+12 is more much than full+12 now
ofc, we can discuss full+12 in this thread if you have relative experience.0 -
Archer R9r2 endgame sucks compared to almost every other class.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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^ what he said, vs psy it could go either way depending on the player0
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Facerolled - Raging Tide wrote: »Archer R9r2 endgame sucks compared to almost every other class.
Yeah it really does.
People think archers are op. all you have to do is take a look at each classes self buff and that pretty much sums up how **** an archer is with that kind of gear.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Facerolled - Raging Tide wrote: »Archer R9r2 endgame sucks compared to almost every other class.
boogie, why not give some ideas about R9R3
many OP archers are lazy to say something here
waiting for your video with your R9R3b:thanks0 -
Facerolled - Raging Tide wrote: »Archer R9r2 endgame sucks compared to almost every other class.
lol? and this is based on what? your permanently use of barrage in tw? give examples please
and dont come up with psy or wizard, they can be encountered with 1 click. you better be trolling. [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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never kills anyone, only gear, no skill, no life, cash only, eats dogfood to cash more, lives at moms,
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It's based on the fact that every other class in the game has either Purify or GoF. These are both infinitely more powerful procs. This is combined with the fact that archers, in the pre-TB days, were considered the worst endgame class due to lack of major defensive buffs compared to all other classes.Proving that not only archers do math since 2009. b:victory
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Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »It's based on the fact that every other class in the game has either Purify or GoF. These are both infinitely more powerful procs. This is combined with the fact that archers, in the pre-TB days, were considered the worst endgame class due to lack of major defensive buffs compared to all other classes.
Also don't forget Blade tornado b:cute.0 -
we have def-level, antistun, stealth, range and purge. oh and *pew pew crit the mage* our crit is so imbalanced, its making me wet b:dirty. only class that gives me a hard time is a seeker. but we are talking about 1on1, so a 10 k sage sparked gemini zerk crit or a 6 k weird metal skill should not kill us.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
noob, can only run, spawnkiller, only white vodoo, only plays for kd,
never kills anyone, only gear, no skill, no life, cash only, eats dogfood to cash more, lives at moms,
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Archers have defense level buffs?
This is news to me.
To the person who thinks wizards and psys are easy to kill at end game r9r2 +12 josd - get some pk/tw experience.
Other than those classes, Seeker is simply the most imbalanced.
Also puri procs way more and I'd rather have that or zerk on my weapon than purges imply because the only thing archer has going for it is it's crit and range and the skills required to control a class like a seeker in 1vs1 won't purge because they're mostly cc skills.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Bhavyy - Raging Tide wrote: »Archers have defense level buffs?
This is news to me.
To the person who thinks wizards and psys are easy to kill at end game r9r2 +12 josd - get some pk/tw experience.
Other than those classes, Seeker is simply the most imbalanced.
Also puri procs way more and I'd rather have that or zerk on my weapon than purges imply because the only thing archer has going for it is it's crit and range and the skills required to control a class like a seeker in 1vs1 won't purge because they're mostly cc skills.
i feel like i am about to gain new friends in this thread
1st) this thread is about endgame 1vs1 with def lvl shards, isnt it?
2nd) wizards and psys are a cake to kill...usually 3 shot. how long do you need for 3 shots?
so you are either bad, the mages on my server are bad or i am just good (doubt that)
3rd) i have a lot of pk/tw experience with almost every class on 3 servers so gtfo
4th) lets talk about archer vs seeker. how do you fight them?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
noob, can only run, spawnkiller, only white vodoo, only plays for kd,
never kills anyone, only gear, no skill, no life, cash only, eats dogfood to cash more, lives at moms,
only survives cause of cleric heals, if we had your gear you would lose. b:cryb:cryb:cry0 -
If you say so.
No they don't. They probably are just bad
If you say so.
Go on then , you're clearly the expert[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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you teach me how to fight seeker and i teach you how to fight mages. deal? b:cute[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
noob, can only run, spawnkiller, only white vodoo, only plays for kd,
never kills anyone, only gear, no skill, no life, cash only, eats dogfood to cash more, lives at moms,
only survives cause of cleric heals, if we had your gear you would lose. b:cryb:cryb:cry0 -
No because it seems the only mages you've ever encountered are just 3 shots maximum.
We're talking about end game here. Try killing fully jaded +12 psys and wizards and then come back here[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Bhavyy - Raging Tide wrote: »No because it seems the only mages you've ever encountered are just 3 shots maximum.
We're talking about end game here. Try killing fully jaded +12 psys and wizards and then come back here
doing that 3 times a week o.o/[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
noob, can only run, spawnkiller, only white vodoo, only plays for kd,
never kills anyone, only gear, no skill, no life, cash only, eats dogfood to cash more, lives at moms,
only survives cause of cleric heals, if we had your gear you would lose. b:cryb:cryb:cry0 -
RankNine - Momaganon wrote: »doing that 3 times a week o.o/
Forgive bhavyy. He didn't realize that people on your server jade/+12 nv first cast gears0 -
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Bhavyy - Raging Tide wrote: »
Should've put patk rings for extra lulz0 -
RankNine - Momaganon wrote: »i feel like i am about to gain new friends in this thread
1st) this thread is about endgame 1vs1 with def lvl shards, isnt it?
2nd) wizards and psys are a cake to kill...usually 3 shot. how long do you need for 3 shots?
so you are either bad, the mages on my server are bad or i am just good (doubt that)
3rd) i have a lot of pk/tw experience with almost every class on 3 servers so gtfo
4th) lets talk about archer vs seeker. how do you fight them?
3 shot a +12 jaded wizard? If said wizard is completely endgame they will have a +12 skycover as well as o'malleys blessing on 90% of the time.
Please video 3 shotting that.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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I need to say something xD We don't have absolute End-game Players on our Server. There is NO ONE with full +12 on this server and yes our mages and Psys are redicolous weak and dumb. I wouldn't even consider them as "good" in pk.
And yes Rank, beating an !equally!geared archer in PvP is not that hard. All of you guys should do more pk with self buffs only, which means fair 1on1 matches, then you'd know that Archers get prolly one-shoted by Wizards through spark + undine strike. And I ofc havn't heard of any Archer that would have survived a full+12 Barbs Armageddon.
Archers are squishy, so are Sins, Psys, Venos, Seeker, BMs (well because they do laughable dmg 1on1 wise endgame, cept for some extreme pro BMs xD).
Wizards and Barbs were always and will always be the strongest End-Game Classes if played well ofc just cause they got an upper hand debuff-wise on nearly any other class.
An OP Archer has good chances against...well if I think about it, Archers have a really Hard time beating any other class cept sins, they should be easy to kill. Ofc if all are equally geared and skilled. If your opponent doesn't have a friggin clue then ofc you win, it's like that on Momaganon
Hint: I played Archer for a long time and I never seen other Archers getting themselves A debuff killing strategy for their own. Try getting Thunderstrik proc on the r8recast Bow and combine that with a decent Tangling mire on a purged target. OFC you can combine that with Thunder Shock as well, depends on the Situation. A Main reason why the warsoul bow doesn't fail so much after all, ijs. Then your crits will go WOW. Only way to kill good players in pk on my favorite PServer which equals the official Server.
I don't like PK on the official Server because pk there is complete bull if you don't have equal opponents, one way you get roflpwnd because they out gear you badly or the other way you outgear them badly, while it is true that killing overgeared ppl is indeed a lot of fun (:[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Got at least one alt of any class above level 100.
All decently geared and skilled (: .
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Thank you for disccussion. but just come back my topic a little bit
My thread is not about 1 vs 1. it is about OP archer vs OP other class in NW/TW. (here OP isn't top OP(full+12 and full josd), cuz it isn't too much in our server. As well, The top OP is usually targeted by all ppl, so I don't have chance to attack them 1 vs 1 in NW/TW. that is why I lower OP definition)
In the same gear lvl battle of TW/NW, archer should stay behind sq and find a good chance to kill enemy or kite them. Here, I want to discuss about "killing ability of 1 vs 1". To me, when I try to run forward and kill a R9 or higher player, I usually with IG protect. He could use some immune skill, e.g IG, AD. But not always avaible cuz long CD. If he uses, I just find other targer to kill and retreat before IG gone.
some time I spark and some time not spark
Now put some my exp
HA(barb, bm, seeker) is hard to kill, even strip buff. (if anyone know how to kill them, put your way here plz)
LA(archer, sin) is easier to be killed, even no strip buff happen. sin once shows up, usually become common target, so not easy hit him 1 vs 1.
AA(veno, wiz, psy, cleric, mys), wiz, cleric, mys can be easily killed after strip them, or hard to be killed. veno, psy is easily killed whatever buff or not. (but i don't touch a "white"psy)
You may disagree with me. Hopefully, you all can give your exp about that. thank youb:thanks
BTW, I am r9 armor+r93r weapon+12, still not top att ability.0 -
AshenSkies - Heavens Tear wrote: »3 shot a +12 jaded wizard? If said wizard is completely endgame they will have a +12 skycover as well as o'malleys blessing on 90% of the time.
Please video 3 shotting that.
In all fairness... momaganon are so far behind that their end game is still cvs. And at cv level... its possible to three shot robes. No other way to explain an end game class behing 3 shotted by an archer.1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.
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Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »In all fairness... momaganon are so far behind that their end game is still cvs. And at cv level... its possible to three shot robes. No other way to explain an end game class behing 3 shotted by an archer.
dont even know what to reply to this...it is just too wrong.
@Joe: i think lanka misses only two parts +12 and has all his **** josd. same for purpleb1sh
@video-demand: working on it, forgot to fraps last weekend in the heat of the fights b:surrender
@wizard fire genie combo: there is always a countergenieskill
@ccccia: HA just hp debuff/blood vow and metal crit them, even autoshots work after a purge..
archer are tricky, whoever misses less, wins
and against sins you have to use antistun and antisilence and its easy for you.
AA, as you stated, piece of cake.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
noob, can only run, spawnkiller, only white vodoo, only plays for kd,
never kills anyone, only gear, no skill, no life, cash only, eats dogfood to cash more, lives at moms,
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RankNine - Momaganon wrote: »@ccccia: HA just hp debuff/blood vow and metal crit them, even autoshots work after a purge..
I think this proves my point. On Ht an archer can hp debuff and purge a heavy... and the heavy would still have more hp and better defenses.1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.
Tokichiro - Heavy Armor Fish / Kiyoshi - Dual Blade Elf0 -
so you are trying to say r9 recast heavy armor works different on HT than on my server?
maybe you guys stop being demon archers with 150 str and try pure dex sage? holy cow.
alternatively you stop the massive QQ and reroll a non underpowered class :>[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
noob, can only run, spawnkiller, only white vodoo, only plays for kd,
never kills anyone, only gear, no skill, no life, cash only, eats dogfood to cash more, lives at moms,
only survives cause of cleric heals, if we had your gear you would lose. b:cryb:cryb:cry0 -
RankNine - Momaganon wrote: »so you are trying to say r9 recast heavy armor works different on HT than on my server?
maybe you guys stop being demon archers with 150 str and try pure dex sage? holy cow.
alternatively you stop the massive QQ and reroll a non underpowered class :>
Funny how you are saying this to the 3rd ever sage archer on HT... my str (bonus included) never even reach 110... currently at 105. How is it massive QQ... even with the sage's 20% hp debuff, any similar refine heavy would still have more hp. Stock p.def on heavy armor is going to have better p.def then buffed la... really no arguement there.
I got my fair share of same gear bm kills... but I certainly did not three shot them... didn't even 10 shot them. It takes time to purge them... and more time to position the kill.1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.
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Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »Funny how you are saying this to the 3rd ever sage archer on HT... my str (bonus included) never even reach 110... currently at 105.
Probably had something to do with your siggy lol0 -
MageFizban - Lost City wrote: »Probably had something to do with your siggy lol
at least someone is keeping the the nigerian princes in business.1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.
Tokichiro - Heavy Armor Fish / Kiyoshi - Dual Blade Elf0
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