PvE vs PvP Server Quality of PK'ers

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  • Veneir - Dreamweaver
    Veneir - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,541 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Provide proof to back up your claim.

    I second this.

    Honestily, when I think of PvP differences, the thing I think of is:
    For PvP servers, not only do they have random PvP to deal with, they also have to deal with their items possibly dropping, which I'd be more concerned about because that means dying sucks even more. Open world hunting doesn't even exist anymore, 'cept maybe with certain factions I guess, and random bored high levels one-shotting low levels doesn't count because weak mobs give 0 exp for a reason. And I'm pretty sure I've seen enough to deduce that PvP servers have in-front-of-specific-spots PvPfests just like PvE servers do.

    PvE doesn't have any item drop unless they decide to go into that mode, and because they decide to go into said mode, they don't get random lowbie one-shotting(mostily) and the people who actually want to PvP with each other learn from one another. Sorta. Obviousily this can happen in the PvP servers, too.

    However the biggest thing I think of is that certain types of PvP server people tend to forget that bramble works in PK instances since it doesn't in the world, and PvE people tend to know this trivia a bit more often. x33.

    Back in the day I would have definitely said that PvP server people were better at PK than PvE server people, but I don't think there's that much of a difference anymore from things that actually contribute to skill of PK. o_o
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  • Tide_Surfer - Archosaur
    Tide_Surfer - Archosaur Posts: 1,261 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    On Archosaur server, we only have a handful of epicly geared people, when you say endgame I assume you mean +12 jaded or whatever their endgame sharding is.
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  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Tide_Surfer - Archosaur wrote: »
    On Archosaur server, we only have a handful of epicly geared people, when you say endgame I assume you mean +12 jaded or whatever their endgame sharding is.

    Oooh, wow. That there is some concrete evidence. On Morai I can think of one or two full jaded full +12s. The one who I actually remember is only first cast R9. So far we're winning the "hurr durr no am haz endgaemz". Get some actual numbers or get out.
  • Tide_Surfer - Archosaur
    Tide_Surfer - Archosaur Posts: 1,261 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Oooh, wow. That there is some concrete evidence. On Morai I can think of one or two full jaded full +12s. The one who I actually remember is only first cast R9. So far we're winning the "hurr durr no am haz endgaemz". Get some actual numbers or get out.

    I wasn't meaning 100% of the servers, for goodness sakes. I just know that Archosaur doesn't have as many as lets see, Sanctuary, Lost City, Dreamweaver etc.
    I'm sorry I don't have actual numbers or any actual proof, it's my opinion, jeez. No need to get so "This or GTFO" at me.
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    Veneir: "Seashell? :3"
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  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Tide_Surfer - Archosaur wrote: »
    I wasn't meaning 100% of the servers, for goodness sakes. I just know that Archosaur doesn't have as many as lets see, Sanctuary, Lost City, Dreamweaver etc.
    I'm sorry I don't have actual numbers or any actual proof, it's my opinion, jeez. No need to get so "This or GTFO" at me.

    Oh? Then what's this?
    Tide_Surfer - Archosaur wrote: »
    I know for fact that Archosaur has a shortage of endgame geared people compared to the others servers.

    If you aren't comparing to all servers, then what are you comparing to? If you're comparing to one or two specific servers then state that so there's no need to clarify later. Opinions are fine, just don't go around spouting nonsense and stating your opinion like it's fact.
  • Tide_Surfer - Archosaur
    Tide_Surfer - Archosaur Posts: 1,261 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Oh? Then what's this?



    If you aren't comparing to all servers, then what are you comparing to? If you're comparing to one or two specific servers then state that so there's no need to clarify later. Opinions are fine, just don't go around spouting nonsense and stating your opinion like it's fact.

    I never once stated "fact" in any of those statements. Just don't go off at me like that, there's no need.
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    Veneir: "Seashell? :3"
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  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Tide_Surfer - Archosaur wrote: »

    I never once stated "fact" in any of those statements. Just don't go off at me like that, there's no need.

    Not even going off on you.
  • Tide_Surfer - Archosaur
    Tide_Surfer - Archosaur Posts: 1,261 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Not even going off on you.

    It sure did seem like it.
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    Tide_Surfer: "I feel SPESHALL *says like a lil kid*"
    Veneir: "Seashell? :3"
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  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Tide_Surfer - Archosaur wrote: »
    It sure did seem like it.

    Gee wiz Mister! I sure am sorry that you take everything but praise so negatively, by golly!
  • Tide_Surfer - Archosaur
    Tide_Surfer - Archosaur Posts: 1,261 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Gee wiz Mister! I sure am sorry that you take everything but praise so negatively, by golly!

    It isn't 100% my fault that I take things in the wrong way. I have diagnosed psychological conditions that make me that way. I won't mention what they are and I realize I'm not the only one in the world with them.
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    Tide_Surfer: "I feel SPESHALL *says like a lil kid*"
    Veneir: "Seashell? :3"
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  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Tide_Surfer - Archosaur wrote: »
    It isn't 100% my fault that I take things in the wrong way. I have diagnosed psychological conditions that make me that way. I won't mention what they are and I realize I'm not the only one in the world with them.

    You could still not take so much offense. This hasn't even really escalated. Read through our conversation, all I told you was that you didn't know something, then to provide proof. Everything I've said has been nothing but a response to your posts. You shouldn't take things so seriously.
  • Tide_Surfer - Archosaur
    Tide_Surfer - Archosaur Posts: 1,261 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    You could still not take so much offense. This hasn't even really escalated. Read through our conversation, all I told you was that you didn't know something, then to provide proof. Everything I've said has been nothing but a response to your posts. You shouldn't take things so seriously.

    As I said, a lot of the time I don't realize what I should and shouldn't take seriously.
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    Tide_Surfer: "I feel SPESHALL *says like a lil kid*"
    Veneir: "Seashell? :3"
    Tide_Surfer: "Yes Veny, yes. A speshall seashell."
  • Tsyn - Raging Tide
    Tsyn - Raging Tide Posts: 149 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Let me rephrase this for both of you, Zan and Tide Surfer, having played Archosaur for almost three years.

    Archosaur has many people at endgame gear. JosD, +12, all that jazz.

    Most of them just don't choose to use it in PvP, and only come out during NW/TW to troll. And sadly, at the moment, I can't think of a single competent third cast on Archosaur, having visited and watched the server continuously ever since I left it.
    The so called "best archer" is incompetent by my standards.
    The so called "best sin" still plays with outdated aps gear and third cast +12 daggers and is a joke.
    Some of the others are above average, but when the average is Archosaur, that's not saying a lot.

    There are exceptions, but they're not even Rank 9. Me, a BM friend, another sin friend, and a few others are the only people that I think could compete on any skilled server. Sorry Archo!
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  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Tsyn - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Let me rephrase this for both of you, Zan and Tide Surfer, having played Archosaur for almost three years.

    Archosaur has many people at endgame gear. JosD, +12, all that jazz.

    Most of them just don't choose to use it in PvP, and only come out during NW/TW to troll. And sadly, at the moment, I can't think of a single competent third cast on Archosaur, having visited and watched the server continuously ever since I left it.
    The so called "best archer" is incompetent by my standards.
    The so called "best sin" still plays with outdated aps gear and third cast +12 daggers and is a joke.
    Some of the others are above average, but when the average is Archosaur, that's not saying a lot.

    There are exceptions, but they're not even Rank 9. Me, a BM friend, another sin friend, and a few others are the only people that I think could compete on any skilled server. Sorry Archo!

    I'm not questioning whether or nor Archo has end game people or whether or not they PvP kind sir.
  • Tide_Surfer - Archosaur
    Tide_Surfer - Archosaur Posts: 1,261 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Tsyn - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Let me rephrase this for both of you, Zan and Tide Surfer, having played Archosaur for almost three years.

    Archosaur has many people at endgame gear. JosD, +12, all that jazz.

    Most of them just don't choose to use it in PvP, and only come out during NW/TW to troll. And sadly, at the moment, I can't think of a single competent third cast on Archosaur, having visited and watched the server continuously ever since I left it.
    The so called "best archer" is incompetent by my standards.
    The so called "best sin" still plays with outdated aps gear and third cast +12 daggers and is a joke.
    Some of the others are above average, but when the average is Archosaur, that's not saying a lot.

    There are exceptions, but they're not even Rank 9. Me, a BM friend, another sin friend, and a few others are the only people that I think could compete on any skilled server. Sorry Archo!

    Cleocin, Taxidermi (hubby and wife irl so idk if that's counted as 1 or 2) Rubber, _Choc_Fudge_ and that's it, the only ones who are 100% +12 JoSD.
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    Tide_Surfer: "I feel SPESHALL *says like a lil kid*"
    Veneir: "Seashell? :3"
    Tide_Surfer: "Yes Veny, yes. A speshall seashell."
  • Tide_Surfer - Archosaur
    Tide_Surfer - Archosaur Posts: 1,261 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I'd also be interested in finding out who you are from Archo, Tsyn. In reply to the only you and a few others could hold up against PvP on other servers, awkward how you only include yourself and people who you are obviously friends with :x
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    Tide_Surfer: "I feel SPESHALL *says like a lil kid*"
    Veneir: "Seashell? :3"
    Tide_Surfer: "Yes Veny, yes. A speshall seashell."
  • PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver
    PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,507 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Kniraven - Lost City wrote: »
    Charm's increase your effective hp which totally changes the effectiveness of your shards ie vit stones vs jades etc.

    such a pitty that it doesnt.
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  • complainant101
    complainant101 Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Best sin in pwi...Fatality_ from Arch server.....best barb who is now on vacation, Teddy_Tigerb :pleased real talk#
  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    complainant101 wrote: »
    Best sin in pwi...Fatality_ from Arch server.....best barb who is now on vacation, Teddy_Tigerb :pleased real talk#

    Buncha cheze fanboys gon say otherwise
  • Tide_Surfer - Archosaur
    Tide_Surfer - Archosaur Posts: 1,261 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    complainant101 wrote: »
    Best sin in pwi...Fatality_ from Arch server.....best barb who is now on vacation, Teddy_Tigerb :pleased real talk#

    Teddy quit. lol. But I don't really have a huge opinion on who's the best barb seeming I don't really know (Haven't seen them all play) but in my experience I'd have to say either Teddy or _Accident_.
    And I do agree that diz (Fatality_) is the best sin.
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    Tide_Surfer: "I feel SPESHALL *says like a lil kid*"
    Veneir: "Seashell? :3"
    Tide_Surfer: "Yes Veny, yes. A speshall seashell."
  • Tsyn - Raging Tide
    Tsyn - Raging Tide Posts: 149 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    There's a reason I became friends with them in the first place, Tide_Surfer. We all choose our friends to some extent.

    Fatality is definitely not the best sin on Archo. He plays APS, can't DPH efficiently, and is pretty much screwed over by Purify proc. It doesn't help that he's always got 1k ping+ either, since he lives on a different continent.

    Teddy was pretty good. There was only one barb that I've seen better than him.

    Jason's excellent at demon wiz.

    Starlot's a boss at psychic, but he still needs to update his genie, or he's just gonna keep getting chainstunned after BoC.

    In my opinion, there are no special clerics, mystics, venomancers, archers, or seekers on Archosaur. There are some who can compete, yes, but not with the top tier from other servers.

    Assasin__sin is better than I am. So is Nim. He beats SK, the so called "top BM", by a long way.

    You didn't PvP as much as I did... skill is partially inherent, as you demonstrate, but also experience is important as well, especially when we're dealing with the evaluation of players, not strategies.

    Perhaps my standards are a bit too high. There are only a few more players on RT that I can say are on the same level as well, and RT had a much more PvP-active environment.

    Kastus is ok. Elvenne and Mav are top at group PvP and 1v1 respectively. FlexWheeler, maybe. Lucifer was ok. Haven't seen any godly archers, yet, skillwise. Mystic_Mike isn't endgame but he's excellent. Weiwei is good. Meh, I'm probably missing a few, but still.
    Forever overlooked.
    Forever forgotten.
    Forever alone.

    This is a good thing. People don't notice me, and they don't notice the knife whistling towards their throat.
  • Tide_Surfer - Archosaur
    Tide_Surfer - Archosaur Posts: 1,261 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Tsyn - Raging Tide wrote: »
    There's a reason I became friends with them in the first place, Tide_Surfer. We all choose our friends to some extent.

    Fatality is definitely not the best sin on Archo. He plays APS, can't DPH efficiently, and is pretty much screwed over by Purify proc. It doesn't help that he's always got 1k ping+ either, since he lives on a different continent.

    Teddy was pretty good. There was only one barb that I've seen better than him.

    Jason's excellent at demon wiz.

    Starlot's a boss at psychic, but he still needs to update his genie, or he's just gonna keep getting chainstunned after BoC.

    In my opinion, there are no special clerics, mystics, venomancers, archers, or seekers on Archosaur. There are some who can compete, yes, but not with the top tier from other servers.

    Assasin__sin is better than I am. So is Nim. He beats SK, the so called "top BM", by a long way.

    You didn't PvP as much as I did... skill is partially inherent, as you demonstrate, but also experience is important as well, especially when we're dealing with the evaluation of players, not strategies.

    Perhaps my standards are a bit too high. There are only a few more players on RT that I can say are on the same level as well, and RT had a much more PvP-active environment.

    Kastus is ok. Elvenne and Mav are top at group PvP and 1v1 respectively. FlexWheeler, maybe. Lucifer was ok. Haven't seen any godly archers, yet, skillwise. Mystic_Mike isn't endgame but he's excellent. Weiwei is good. Meh, I'm probably missing a few, but still.

    Everyone has different opinions in which you're stating like yours is fact. I barely ever did PK I did however do a lot of NW and TW. I think we should end this conversation at that.
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    Tide_Surfer: "I feel SPESHALL *says like a lil kid*"
    Veneir: "Seashell? :3"
    Tide_Surfer: "Yes Veny, yes. A speshall seashell."
  • Jesusisback - Raging Tide
    Jesusisback - Raging Tide Posts: 480 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Hey Zan, Sup Neil :3 HOW GOES THE PKING LIFE BROFOS?

    LC #1 PK server, followed by Sanc, then RT, kthxBAIIII
  • MsLing - Lost City
    MsLing - Lost City Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    You being sarcastic but it's actually true,

    Iv'e played in PVE server for a wild after hitting 80 on PVP server, and i saw the quality of killing that pkers have on pve server.
    Just a lil present know business, but the other 70% attacking like i was a mob. I even got knocked back once by a mystic as an archer, i also saw how slow they all react when they're being under attack, sometimes they even just accept their death and let me finish the job.

    it takes 'A' lot of practicing to know how to kill each class with what and how when, skills. what most pve players doesn't gain until high levels.

    Also pvp players have better reflexes, u couldn't possibly kill anyone without get a fight back even if you able to 'two hits him'.

    As an archer i don't have to put much effort to kill someone(even thou i'm just lv78), but i also have LA veno, and no one has ever killed me without getting half of his life ripped, even 10 levels upon me, And i'm playing with veno only for 3 month but in pvp server you gets into many combats nor you like it or not, so it forces you to get better, even if you low level.
    Just try it out and see.<(=.=<)Lost City server- recommended.

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