PvE vs PvP Server Quality of PK'ers

Adroit - Lost City

In the past, players on pvp servers were in general better at pvp than those on pve servers.. mainly because they were almost forced to pvp while leveling, and also because PvP servers tend to attract players that enjoy pvp (i.e. RageQuit). Nowadays, there is very little difference (if any), with everything done in instances.. leaving sz is an option (similar to PvE servers) and very few people actually do that.

Also, the color of your name cannot be used to judge pvp skill (red name doesn't mean you are good at pvp, nor does it mean you are bad at pvp).. it just means that you have a red name.

frendlydaddy1

Sylvae - Sanctuary wrote: »

Most PvP on the world map degenerated to charmed duels outside West Arch pretty much. It resembles a duel much more than how PvP servers used to be, which is what was the original reason for why PvP servers were better than PvE in both PvP and PvE.

The reason was basic skills that were a requirement to survive, and weren't overtly needed on PvE. Like radar watching. Groups running FBs with patrolers would notice if it was approaching, like FB51 where the 2 bosses wander to the same larger room. Most PvE groups didn't pay attention, and alot would wipe if the 2nd boss showed up because they would all stand there ignoring it. Where those who are used to watching the radar would see it and move in time to not do so.

It's little things that had a crossover that would prevent a PvE'er from being as good as the PvP'er back in the day. But that was when they could get ganked at any moment, needed to respond and take necessary defense action, weren't fully chi'ed up and charm could be on cooldown, etc. All those had to be accounted for when fighting someone randomly coming up, or even a group coming for a gank.

People might like to pretend that PvPing outside West Arch is as good at PK practice as before, but they are high. That's why I call it charmed dueling. They know it's going to happen, they are usually prepped and chi'ed up fully, and they know what they are facing ahead of time. Heck, DT is more of a PK event than that kind of stuff. And that loss is why the difference won't be as great anymore.

it was great tho the need to push T butten when u watched the mini map for dots.
i liked all those pks and once you got to the swamp it was hell out wars.
so heading to fb69 was a mission by itself

and the swamp and the way teh map was designed made the swamp espeically dengerous for so many reason.

frendlydaddy1

Tsyn - Raging Tide wrote: »

I actually began "radar watching" and "T screen spamming" and "Tab targetting" at an early point in my career, but then again me and my friends were often hunted for PKing <_< We were also ganked a lot when we were talking, or doing dailies, having mini group PvP sessions... you would not believe how many 2v2s that turned into 2+2 vs 6 that I had. So I would argue that your point depends on the situation.

People can acquire PvE skills from PvP and vice versa, and have always done so.

i do not fully agree on ur last sentence i remember many pkers who loooved pking but hated pve with pasion and was always qqing about why there was a need for pve.

you just have to look at what happened with cq+bloodlust and especially ragequit
ragequit being teh biggest f ckers at that time but sadly lacked the lvs as they spened waaay to much time pking.

Tsyn - Raging Tide

People can acquire PvE skills from PvP and vice versa, and have always done so.

i do not fully agree on ur last sentence i remember many pkers who loooved pking but hated pve with pasion and was always qqing about why there was a need for pve.

Interpretation One:
How does hating PvE relate to how good you are at it?
There are plenty of people who hate doing things, yet are experts at their unfortunate skillset.
I hate PvE with a burning passion, and yet I'm still proficient at soloing 3-x on a decently geared sin. Everyone needs to buy apoth, crabs, and maybe GS.

Interpretation Two:
If you are saying it is impossible to exchange skills in between PvE and PvP, I must inform you that most people eventually do do that. I stunlock mobs in BH, and have similar defensive reactions when getting hammered by a boss in TT. (Address Emperor as a R9r3, ftw). I use PvE skills in PvP too - I learned how to maximize my speed running through BH, but by cycling my speedbuffs (a matter of cooldown regulation) in the same way in PvP, I can outrun an angry horde of people who want my head.

Sylvae - Sanctuary

Tsyn - Raging Tide wrote: »

Interpretation One:
How does hating PvE relate to how good you are at it?
There are plenty of people who hate doing things, yet are experts at their unfortunate skillset.
I hate PvE with a burning passion, and yet I'm still proficient at soloing 3-x on a decently geared sin. Everyone needs to buy apoth, crabs, and maybe GS.

Interpretation Two:
If you are saying it is impossible to exchange skills in between PvE and PvP, I must inform you that most people eventually do do that. I stunlock mobs in BH, and have similar defensive reactions when getting hammered by a boss in TT. (Address Emperor as a R9r3, ftw). I use PvE skills in PvP too - I learned how to maximize my speed running through BH, but by cycling my speedbuffs (a matter of cooldown regulation) in the same way in PvP, I can outrun an angry horde of people who want my head.

There is some basis to it, though it is definitely blown out of proportion by people terrible at PvP to inflate their sense of self-worth in the game.

Some instances and bosses require knowledge of what its immunities are, what special tricks it does, etc. And by withholding that information, they can laugh at how fail the people are who usually avoid boring PvE instances. Nevermind that the ignorance is very transitory, in that told once it is completely gone.

The reverse is not true, which is what many PvE'ers do not understand. While some defenses may be universal, it usually requires knowledge of each class and what their best combos are to successfully combat that on your own class. And many PvE'ers can't even do that when they are in TWs every week. But alot of the all out defenses used in PvP will translate well into PvE.

In all it comes down to how much handicap people play with nowadays. Those who FCC their levels, or play with best gear and never let health go down far simply won't be as good as people who find ways to handicap themselves, or play at a more ruthless style. And anyone worrying about XP loss is already losing that, because it's supposed to be a motivator to be good enough to not die.

And that is sadly what it has come down to in the current game. Whether PvP or PvE server, it is down to choice of how much they can learn from difficulties they choose. Which will have the effect of narrowing the gap, but then the mindset of the people choosing the server will determine who is better then. And yes, usually, the more hardcore players will choose PvP even though the server itself would not offer it anymore. So that is where the advantage will come from in the current way the servers are run.

Lolgasmic - Raging Tide

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

On PVP servers there's people that never did PVP as on PVE servers there's probably people that PVP since forever.

But I guess PVE servers have more carebears than PVP servers.

I've come across some clerics who say, "I don't pvp" "Never want to pvp"

Clerics have some great defensive skills as well as a handful of phys and magic attacks.

Why not do some pvp?

Barbs on the other hand are fun to pvp, but we literally only get 1 skill that inflicts magic damage. This is why a barb vs barb fight is endless b:sad

Nuke_Cleric - Sanctuary

Silly topic that will keep going no where until devs step in. Give us SvS pvp and let's see who can back it up or not. Meanwhile let whoever has superiorty issues continue with them. b:chuckle

FaceRolI - Sanctuary

Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »

When we had the international PW tournament thing and the qualifying round for US servers was to kill harpy wraith as quickly as possible, Lost City and Harshlands each downed harpy wraith in a little over a minute whereas all PvE servers had drastically longer times. I think Sanctuary had like a minute longer, but then other servers needed 4 minutes, 6 minutes, 7 minutes, 11 minutes, or flat-out died to Harpy Wraith.

the sanctuary team decided to not take any sins even though we knew the challenge was to kill harpy at the end. it seemed pointless to go to china w/ a losing class setup for 6v6. we picked 2 clerics 2 archers 1 bm 1 barb, we were well aware that our chances of beating other server harpy times were very slim, but on the off chance we did qualify for PWCN we wanted to have a good squad setup and be able to do well.

_Mr_Tanky_ - Sanctuary

There is no way to rate Sanctuary's PK as it is virtually non-existent. Some players are trying to suggest for PWI to remove the lock system and drops, to lower the risks of wasting money; which will hopefully attract more PKers.

Kniraven - Lost City

FaceRolI - Sanctuary wrote: »

the sanctuary team decided to not take any sins even though we knew the challenge was to kill harpy at the end. it seemed pointless to go to china w/ a losing class setup for 6v6. we picked 2 clerics 2 archers 1 bm 1 barb, we were well aware that our chances of beating other server harpy times were very slim, but on the off chance we did qualify for PWCN we wanted to have a good squad setup and be able to do well.

That's adorable.
Every team was allowed a 7th member as an alternate,

FaceRolI - Sanctuary

Kniraven - Lost City wrote: »

That's adorable.
Every team was allowed a 7th member as an alternate,

lol touche, we wanted to win our server too (though the way the splitting worked we could have won w/ 3 ppl >_>), and while its kinda obvious wat an alternate would imply we didn't know **** about how PWIC was being run.

my original point (thatididnotactuallymakeduetomyunedningbitternessofhowcrappilyPWICwasrun) was that PWIC = ****, and is not a good gauge of how servers would fair vs each other, though i understand the temptation as there is not much else to compare on.

if it was truly server vs server LC would win just by the #s of ppl who pk/gear (comparing to sanc idk other servers but prob same). if it was just a few vs few i dont tihnk it would be the same, some of our best pkers already visit LC and do fine.

Kniraven - Lost City

FaceRolI - Sanctuary wrote: »

lol touche, we wanted to win our server too (though the way the splitting worked we could have won w/ 3 ppl >_>), and while its kinda obvious wat an alternate would imply we didn't know **** about how PWIC was being run.

my original point (thatididnotactuallymakeduetomyunedningbitternessofhowcrappilyPWICwasrun) was that PWIC = ****, and is not a good gauge of how servers would fair vs each other, though i understand the temptation as there is not much else to compare on.

if it was truly server vs server LC would win just by the #s of ppl who pk/gear (comparing to sanc idk other servers but prob same). if it was just a few vs few i dont tihnk it would be the same, some of our best pkers already visit LC and do fine.

I'm sure that there are a few highly skilled comparable PvPers across each server (except maybe RT because I swear to god every post made by a member of that server sounds like it was written by a f-cking ******) but in general I think the PvP servers produce I higher % of competent players.

Nuke_Cleric - Sanctuary

FaceRolI - Sanctuary wrote: »

the sanctuary team decided to not take any sins even though we knew the challenge was to kill harpy at the end. it seemed pointless to go to china w/ a losing class setup for 6v6. we picked 2 clerics 2 archers 1 bm 1 barb, we were well aware that our chances of beating other server harpy times were very slim, but on the off chance we did qualify for PWCN we wanted to have a good squad setup and be able to do well.

If I remember well our team not only consisted of 2 cleric (which proved to be a solid pvp setup where we had 0 loss of players on any round) but also all of our "DDs" had +10 fcc fists / lunar claws with immaculate shard while other servers had +12 r9 sins and such. So Id say our PVE time was pretty good with smooth sailing.

KuruTu - Harshlands

Lolwat, there is still any PvP on any server? b:question

SaphirHealer - Archosaur

KuruTu - Harshlands wrote: »

Lolwat, there is still any PvP on any server? b:question

Lol there use to be pvp on Arch server till r9/ 5aps sins came into the pic. b:surrender

I and alot of others use to be white/red and never went blue(except for tigers event because people are dumb) but went white right after...

After r9 sins came around and just farmed everyone alive...pk was murdered...no pk at west, silverpool....nothing..it is mainly used for Dueling from what I see now days...b:sad

wtb the way it use to be </3

Apostasy - Raging Tide

Pwnallagain - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I have never understood why people always tell people who PK on PvE servers to learn to play, blah, blah, blah, go to a PvP server and they will destroy you, etc. I myself may not be that good, but I know many people I would consider actually talented at PvP. How can you claim that anyone on a PvP server is better when there is no true way to determine that? Just because someone chooses to play on a PvE server doesn't mean they don't know how to PvP. When I started the game many years ago I just chose a server with a cool name from my time zone, as I suppose many have. So can someone please explain how everyone on a PvP server is magically better than those on PvE servers?

It is simple actually. Those that say "learn to play and goto a PvP server, you'll be destroyed" only say those things to people that are on PvE servers, while they themselves are already established on a PvP server, already have end game characters, already with end game gears. Those same people like farming lowbies for kill count without any real or challenging PvP. I know, I have an alt on harshlands that is 51 already, and have been farm killed plenty... even by r9.3 idiots. And that is all those types of people really are. Faced with real competition (like anything comparable to r8+ b:chuckle ) those same people would get wrecked.

Meanwhile... back on the PvE servers, the PK that is around is actually a better quality of PvP, when ofc you can find PvP. Only the curious, foolish and sadistic dare to go PK mode below level 100... Thus, PvP is not filled with a bunch of lowbies easily farmed like so many of these idiots are used to PvPing against on PvP servers. The REAL PvP people on the PvP servers do not make such statements towards PvE server players to this effect, because they do understand such things. However, the same PvP server people that do make such statements, wouldnt dare go to a PvE server... ONLY because they are already established on their PvP server (ie. enough to continue farming lowbies for kill counts without any challenge) and wouldnt last in PK mode on a PvE server where the fights are not against lowbies in most instances.

So no... PvP servers do not make anyone magically better in PvP over players on PvE servers... and more often than not, Id say it is the other way around. So let the PvP server people that really think they are SOOOOO great in PK... come on down to any PvE server... Raging Tide always welcomes such fools b:sin

Kniraven - Lost City

Apostasy - Raging Tide wrote: »

It is simple actually. Those that say "learn to play and goto a PvP server, you'll be destroyed" only say those things to people that are on PvE servers, while they themselves are already established on a PvP server, already have end game characters, already with end game gears. Those same people like farming lowbies for kill count without any real or challenging PvP. I know, I have an alt on harshlands that is 51 already, and have been farm killed plenty... even by r9.3 idiots. And that is all those types of people really are. Faced with real competition (like anything comparable to r8+ b:chuckle ) those same people would get wrecked.

Meanwhile... back on the PvE servers, the PK that is around is actually a better quality of PvP, when ofc you can find PvP. Only the curious, foolish and sadistic dare to go PK mode below level 100... Thus, PvP is not filled with a bunch of lowbies easily farmed like so many of these idiots are used to PvPing against on PvP servers. The REAL PvP people on the PvP servers do not make such statements towards PvE server players to this effect, because they do understand such things. However, the same PvP server people that do make such statements, wouldnt dare go to a PvE server... ONLY because they are already established on their PvP server (ie. enough to continue farming lowbies for kill counts without any challenge) and wouldnt last in PK mode on a PvE server where the fights are not against lowbies in most instances.

So no... PvP servers do not make anyone magically better in PvP over players on PvE servers... and more often than not, Id say it is the other way around. So let the PvP server people that really think they are SOOOOO great in PK... come on down to any PvE server... Raging Tide always welcomes such fools b:sin

You're very wrong, and it is very sad... Lol

Apostasy - Raging Tide

Kniraven - Lost City wrote: »

You're very wrong, and it is very sad... Lol

am i now? b:cute you comin to RT? b:question

Kniraven - Lost City

Apostasy - Raging Tide wrote: »

am i now? b:cute you comin to RT? b:question

I'm not going to purchase end game gears on another server, but if you will agree to admit I'm more skilled than you after you get rolled we can both pimp out an 8x toon over there.

Apostasy - Raging Tide

Kniraven - Lost City wrote: »

I'm not going to purchase end game gears on another server, but if you will agree to admit I'm more skilled than you after you get rolled we can both pimp out an 8x toon over there.

After i get rolled, sure... ill just have to work on my 27 psy on lost in addition to the others i gotta get up to 100+ b:faint

U_Sasuke - Sanctuary

lol threads like this makes me laugh. ppl still debating and arguing over ppl from pvp sev being better than the ones from pve.

opkossy

U_Sasuke - Sanctuary wrote: »

lol threads like this makes me laugh. ppl still debating and arguing over ppl from pvp sev being better than the ones from pve.

It's one of those classics that will probably remain until the day every server gets fused into one gigantic server. b:chuckle

U_Sasuke - Sanctuary

OPKossy wrote: »

It's one of those classics that will probably remain until the day every server gets fused into one gigantic server. b:chuckle

haha, when will ppl realize it doesnt matter what server a player is from, its a mistake to judge someone based on a server. i myself have witnessed players much better at pvp from pve server, compare to the majority of ones from pvp sev.
i mean cheze is orginally from a pve server, and LC ppl worship him like a pvp god hahaha

Azura - Lost City

Sigh, I wonder if we will ever get server vs server pvp. That is the only way to show who is the best f:cry

Zsw - Dreamweaver

It'd show which server is better in organised mass pvp. Though, there are many different aspects of PK, so its really hard to say. On my server for instance, we don't really have many spontaneous pvp. So I wouldn't expect too many people to be good at just dropping out into a pvp area and start attacking.

Jarkhen - Archosaur

Zsw - Dreamweaver wrote: »

It'd show which server is better in organised mass pvp. Though, there are many different aspects of PK, so its really hard to say. On my server for instance, we don't really have many spontaneous pvp. So I wouldn't expect too many people to be good at just dropping out into a pvp area and start attacking.

More than that, it would show which server had the most amount of people in endgame gear. Short of equalizing gear for server vs. server pvp, that's going to be the main factor deciding the outcome.

Tide_Surfer - Archosaur

Jarkhen - Archosaur wrote: »

More than that, it would show which server had the most amount of people in endgame gear. Short of equalizing gear for server vs. server pvp, that's going to be the main factor deciding the outcome.

I know for fact that Archosaur has a shortage of endgame geared people compared to the others servers.

Zanryu - Dreamweaver

Tide_Surfer - Archosaur wrote: »

I know for fact that Archosaur has a shortage of endgame geared people compared to the others servers.

No. No you don't.

Tide_Surfer - Archosaur

Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »

No. No you don't.

Yes. Yes I do.

Zanryu - Dreamweaver

Tide_Surfer - Archosaur wrote: »

Yes. Yes I do.

Provide proof to back up your claim.