I have given up on actually finding a squad for BH59.

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary

I have a Mystic, Seeker, and Psy that are 7x. I actually do BH59 on all three characters.

However. I have found that it is IMPOSSIBLE to get a squad for it. There will occasionally be someone at the HH localchat spamming for a BH59, but they are unwilling to make the squad.

I have wasted teles for hours looking for enough members to actually kill the needed bosses.

I am completely baffled by this. I find it disenheartning that this is happening. I have had my GF run it for me, or fac mates with high level mains run it for me, and I've dual logged it for myself, but finding a squad? Not gonna happen. >_>

This isn't just BH59. Try finding a BH29 squad comprised of 4x characters to actually run the instance as it was intended. BH39, 51, 59, 69, and to an extent, 79 are impossible to find squads for.

The only time I ever see BH29, 39, 51 on WC is when someone is running it.

When you are in the lower levels, things aren't super fast. But, they CAN be fun, there IS challenging content, like RB Alpha, Beta, and Gamma. I'm roling my Wiz to be a Gamma character, but I fear now I won't find that anymore either. >_>

SwiiftArk - Sanctuary

I've had the same problem, I can still find one on occasions but it's kind of uncommon. I usually get my BH59 runs in with BH51 squads. Since most people doing BH51 get Zimo at least then we just go from 51 to 59, otherwise I'm usually out of luck too.

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary

That what happens when the game(and his community) gets old.

whyarcher88

Today I had great fun with a fb39 squad consisting of lvl 39 bm, lvl 39 wiz, lvl 29 archer (meb:laugh) and a tt70 +3 lvl 71 cleric, no sin/barb buffs. Each of us died 1-2 times cos cleric ran out of mana potsb:chuckle Took us an hour but we killed all 3 bosses.

Zero_Phoenix - Dreamweaver

Finding at-level squad members for BH is much more difficult, that's true. BH79 isn't so difficult to find on Dreamweaver, I don't think. BH89 isn't run as often as 79.

BH59 however... I recently-ish (as in a few months ago, heh) had to get my mystic through the 7xs, and I hated it. For the reasons you listed, basically. =/

I've heard that there are PKers in Secret Passage, so I don't know if that's made BH29 less popular here or not.

I've run a few Gammas on my Lv85 mystic (I've two: one is 85, other is 93)! And I lo~~ve it, and miss it terribly at times. When I was actively doing it on my mystic to level--instead of FCing--it took hours and a bit more than 50 teles just to get a full squad together. And, as I was a mystic, I had to spend the next several minutes digging. ~__~

Good luck on finding a Gamma squad, Sarrafeline! If I was on your server, I'd definitely help out.

Jacerai - Dreamweaver

Today, for some reason, I have seen all of 9 BH59 squads form. All within the space of a few hours. 2 BH69, no BH79 and no one even mentioning BH89. Saw some folks forming BH51, and a BH39 form earlier in the day.

Dreamweaver still has their BHs run, but it is sporadic and sometimes you do get the high level running people through. Or you get the person who only wants a certain level range. It is nice to run at-level sometimes.

MANray_ - Sanctuary

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary wrote: »

That what happens when the game(and his community) gets old.

It's not just this, it's also what happens when a game and its community become hostile to new players... Or F2Ps... Or casuals...

The overwhelming majority of 79 runs I make I only get because I go through the trouble of paying for wines myself. And I've seen turn for the worse in just weeks...

But hey, let's just keep doing everything within our power to ensure this remains as elitist and exclusive a community as we can make it. That, and PW pulling stunts like the DQ nerf, is sure going to be helping us all down the road...

Walpurga - Dreamweaver

Managed to land that wined BH51 today on my alt BM. 2 BMs 1 barb 1 cleric 2 veno and we killed the bosses all in under 1:30; called out HF timing so it ended up being HF/GS stacked with EP/amp/ironwood and bosses just dropped in moments.

Before that had a 51 where Allonde decided to show up and 2shot the bosses, lol

and HIII ZERO b:cute

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

I agree with you, but that issue is created in majority by the players themselves by power level.

I'm maybe stupid, but I miss sometime the old times, when people was questing in groups doing bh with squad of their levels.

Some people told me Iwas **** to like to level chars ''slowly''.

By now even if PWI was restricting the FC for level 75+, it would no remove the power level, people will use oracles or w/e.

I think it's why we don't get new players, when they log they are alone, they probably quest for hours without see someone, while actually it's a MMO, so they get bored and give up.

What they should do it's give crazy rewards for quests, stuff that people love, but cannot get on high level, example the turtle quest thing, people love be able to have that item, they need to give exclusive items that people will want to make a alt to get it, but make it by low level quests so they don't have choice to do the quest, and making the quest that cannot be take if the player is to high lvl. (like FB people cannot get the tabs if they are 10 level higher than the FB)

To get more new players what they need to do is to make something making the old players to want to take their time to level a alt so the new players are not alone.

MikoTenshi - Sanctuary

Zero_Phoenix - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I've heard that there are PKers in Secret Passage, so I don't know if that's made BH29 less popular here or not.

That's not it, PWI made it way TOO EASY to level. I did a 29 today, and my bm pretty much can solo the whole thing with the given gears while my cleric occasionally IHs. And after this once, I'm already going to start bh39 tmr because I went from 40-50 in a day... no FCC room, just from all the given purple quests and the beginning of Goshiki chain.

However, I'm sad to hear there is less and less bh squads >.<'' I'm still trying to level a BM the "hard" way.

ponyduck

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary wrote: »

That what happens when the game(and his community) gets old.

This is true to an extent, but I think the major reason this happens is
because the powers-that-be basically plan it that way. People are
wanting PW to apply a subscription-type business model to PWI, and
it's not gonna happen. It's a f2p game; therefore, a whole different
method is used.

Cellerus - Archosaur

There isn't enough content for low levels so many people rush to level.

If pwi updated its old quests and adds fun new ones like the turtle quest everyone here seems to love, there will be more people interested in the beginning part of the game.

Sylvae - Sanctuary

Alot of content is definitely lost, like the crafting system for the most part. It used to be taking the time to get the mats and craft your gear could lead to some really powerful gear being made. You could either use it, or sell it for a good amount of money. Same with drops from mobs; found a phys def belt with 2 + phys def adds and a +90 health, and a wand with +4X, +6X magic adds with +9 magic.

Before getting drops like that would be flat out amazing, and make the grinding that much better to do. Nowadays it is just NPC fodder.

Most think it's just leveling slower, they simply don't understand how much content was there to keep it interesting. It's that more casual pace that I think most old players miss the most, and the simple joys found from good drops and crafts.

Reliea - Sanctuary

It has been this way for a looong long time.
If I was to put my finger on the exact time I noticed bh29-59 became extinct, it would be right around the time people started selling FCC :O
I don't exactly blame FCC though, because a lot of the recent changes have made it so that a lot of the early-game content (including early bhs) can be almost entirely skipped aside from cultivation quest chain requirements or FBs.

When I started as a lil'veno, I did my bhs. It was rare to find someone 80+ to 'do' the bh for us, and usually they were only called in when we were missing a tank or healer, which on average wasn't very often.

The fact of the matter is:
1 - There are very few truly new players, thus no need to run the dungeons.
2 - Current players making alts can often solo their own bhs effortlessly from 29-59.
3 - Right around the time that bh starts to get annoying/inconvenient (bh69-89) is when FCC buying or soloing kicks in.
Then when you hit 80+ you can join/form your own real FCC runs to 100+, when bhing starts to happen again.

I doubt seriously you would be able to find a Gamma squad, though chance is possible that if you chose to make one, veteran players who haven't just leveled all their characters to 100 might be interested to join, for nostalgia's sake.

It's a bit of a vicious cycle, there aren't enough people playing at that level to keep enough demand for the content those levels supply. Why would PW create more content for the levels no one plays? Would more content create more people playing in that range again? Probably not, and besides a huge influx of new players, low level content will continue to get rarer and rarer.

Toliman - Raging Tide

Reliea - Sanctuary wrote: »

...Why would PW create more content for the levels no one plays? Would more content create more people playing in that range again? Probably not, and besides a huge influx of new players, low level content will continue to get rarer and rarer.

I had reserved my characters until time when it would be possible to play at 80-90 level range. bh69 is like nightmare and players must pay fee for it. Quests are absent.

May be my characters will be auto deleted because of my inactivity long before something will be changed in this "game".

mrcharlyplustwo

Jacerai - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Today, for some reason, I have seen all of 9 BH59 squads form. All within the space of a few hours. 2 BH69, no BH79 and no one even mentioning BH89. Saw some folks forming BH51, and a BH39 form earlier in the day.

Dreamweaver still has their BHs run, but it is sporadic and sometimes you do get the high level running people through. Or you get the person who only wants a certain level range. It is nice to run at-level sometimes.

You've said pretty much what I was going to say. Coincidently, I play on Dreamweaver.

Last night I played for just over an hour. Ran FC as support on my lvl77 mystic. Then ran a bh29 for someone, plus went in as tank/DD for bh39. Turned down two offers of a place in a bh59&69 squad because I was busy.

CroPsy - Heavens Tear

Change to HT server. I see a lot of BH 29/39/51/59/69/79 squads in world chat b:surrender

I usually don't do BH's lower than BH100, cause they are too damn long and not worth the EXP/reward. I rather do PV run than BH.

Allisandre - Sanctuary

Cellerus - Archosaur wrote: »

There isn't enough content for low levels so many people rush to level.

If pwi updated its old quests and adds fun new ones like the turtle quest everyone here seems to love, there will be more people interested in the beginning part of the game.

Actually, there's is plenty of content for lowere levels, and they just added a load more in the last expansion. It's just that there's not a huge influx of new players, so the majority of people playing low-level toons have high level alts so they just super noob power level their toons. Additionally, even for our new people, they would much rather roll an easy character and hyper-noob it to a high level because it doesn't require much thinking. Besides, learning how to play is boring, didn't you know that?

CroPsy - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Change to HT server. I see a lot of BH 29/39/51/59/69/79 squads in world chat b:surrender

I usually don't do BH's lower than BH100, cause they are too damn long and not worth the EXP/reward. I rather do PV run than BH.

LOL At BH's under 100 being too damn long. You can run just about any BH from 89 down faster than you can find a tank for your BH100.

Also, you see a lot of those squads advertised in World Chat because no one is running them anymore and it's impossible to form a squad on the platform.
Lately, I just end up soloing all of my BH's, sometimes even my 100's. Even using WC it's hard to find people for a squad for 89 and below, and for 100+ all you get is noob sins/bms pming you. I'd rather not take them on one of my solo runs because they don't have a freaking clue when it comes to aggro control

Descendus - Lost City

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary wrote: »

That what happens when the game(and his community) gets old.

Reliea - Sanctuary wrote: »

It has been this way for a looong long time.
If I was to put my finger on the exact time I noticed bh29-59 became extinct, it would be right around the time people started selling FCC :O
I don't exactly blame FCC though, because a lot of the recent changes have made it so that a lot of the early-game content (including early bhs) can be almost entirely skipped aside from cultivation quest chain requirements or FBs.

Restricting FCC to 75 or 80+ only would STILL solve a lot of problems, or at least revive the mid level BH's somewhat, people will want to get their EXP from somewhere....

OontzOontz - Dreamweaver

No one has time for alts when they are forced to run warsong a million times for their main, and for their future alts.

CroPsy - Heavens Tear

Allisandre - Sanctuary wrote: »

LOL At BH's under 100 being too damn long. You can run just about any BH from 89 down faster than you can find a tank for your BH100.

Also, you see a lot of those squads advertised in World Chat because no one is running them anymore and it's impossible to form a squad on the platform.
Lately, I just end up soloing all of my BH's, sometimes even my 100's. Even using WC it's hard to find people for a squad for 89 and below, and for 100+ all you get is noob sins/bms pming you. I'd rather not take them on one of my solo runs because they don't have a freaking clue when it comes to aggro control

They are too long for me. And only thing I get is XP, which I don't really need. I get EXP from PV runs, and it's much more fun than doing BH.

But BH100 gives nice rewards and it's worth doing. And I take noobs in BH100 squad, no problem with that, it just takes longer to kill the boss, that's all.

Miugre - Heavens Tear

Encourage questing / grinding / working for levels = more patient, competent and communicative player base = better BH squads, at more diverse levels

Encourage powerleveling / gear CSing = impatient, elitist and uncommunicative player base = worse BH squads, mostly BH100

A cookie to anyone who can guess which route PWE went. >_>

Colum - Raging Tide

The second option, now hand over the cookie.

I find it rather depressing to solo BHs for my alts because I cannot find low level people to run it with and I refuse to take high levels along.

ovenusarmanio

-steals the cookie-

I find if it I wine 59 I can get an at level squad sometimes. Only went once w/o a high level for 51 though on HT. And thanks the quest revamp I leveled past 39 completely w/o ever stepping foot in it. On DW however my psychic was levelled exclusively with at level squads, I only did 29 once cuz you level so fast there anyway but I even had one for that. It took forever but I specifically world chatted must be 4x and some old schoolers came along with me. Was fun. b:victory

Mr_Psy_cho - Sanctuary

yes i agree finding a bh squad under 100 can be rather difficult on sanc. even then finding ppl that arent complete idiots to the bh is rather difficult >.>, But, to the OP when you decide to get that gamma up and running, i capped my barb at 85 just for gamma lol.b:laugh

Miugre - Heavens Tear

Colum - Raging Tide wrote: »

I find it rather depressing to solo BHs for my alts because I cannot find low level people to run it with and I refuse to take high levels along.

This pretty much describes me as well. >_> But hey, there are perks to having an endgame tank barb and this is one of 'em.

Colum - Raging Tide wrote: »

The second option, now hand over the cookie.

You're too late, fifty million people PM'd me and the world is now devoid of cookies entirely.

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear

MikoTenshi - Sanctuary wrote: »

That's not it, PWI made it way TOO EASY to level. I did a 29 today, and my bm pretty much can solo the whole thing with the given gears while my cleric occasionally IHs.

Its not solo when you have a cleric around. You are also not doing it with a same level squad even if your bm is 3x... assuming your poster is the cleric. Throw out the fact that 1 of your heals is going to be in excess of 10 level 3x cleric heals. Your buff is also of higher defense. Thats like saying that I can solo bh 99 with 100%+ p.def and m.def buffs... 50-100 mp/hp regen... and 10 clerics all waiting to heal me.

Allisandre - Sanctuary wrote: »

LOL At BH's under 100 being too damn long. You can run just about any BH from 89 down faster than you can find a tank for your BH100.

Let me know when you do any of the bhs under 100 in 10 seconds... cause I am pretty damn well sure that I'll have a tank for any of the bh100s in under 10 seconds.

And just like to share... for those of you won't can't find world chat squads or any squads in general. It might be because of your name. Say for some random easy bh... if I want to be flooded with pms I would wc with my alt... if I want some decent geared I would wc with my archer. Both can world chat at the same time, but the gear level of the replies will be VASTLY different.

Miugre - Heavens Tear

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

And just like to share... for those of you won't can't find world chat squads or any squads in general. It might be because of your name. Say for some random easy bh... if I want to be flooded with pms I would wc with my alt... if I want some decent geared I would wc with my archer. Both can world chat at the same time, but the gear level of the replies will be VASTLY different.

Translation: "Elitists know me and love me, but the rest of you should just face the bluewalls, you silly peasant, you." :P

There's a little truth to this though. Forming your own squads >>>>>> begging to join random WC ones. If you're a DD, play well and FL tanks if you can. My archer main has a formidable group of barbs I could call upon whenever I need a BH. It helps if you've got a barb (or other endgame tank) yourself, too, because sometimes you can work out arrangements with them to do a tank trade - you tank one BH for their DDs, they tank one for yours. If all else fails, try for the barb/tank first, because the last thing you want is to have a squad full of DDs who are getting bored and going afk while you keep trying for a tank. Once you have a tank then you can WC for any class and enjoy the bluewall.



Also: WTB Youtube video of the last 20-30 times Kiyoshi WC'd for a tank for BH. 10 seconds every time huh? I'd love to see it. :P

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear

Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Translation: "Elitists know me and love me, but the rest of you should just face the bluewalls, you silly peasant, you." :P

All in all... I am probably less picky about who to invite then you. I tank/cleric/dd any and all bh I want. Those wc for "n spots for x bh, don't give a rat's *** about class, first n pm gets invite" are my.

Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Also: WTB Youtube video of the last 20-30 times Kiyoshi WC'd for a tank for BH. 10 seconds every time huh? I'd love to see it. :P

Too bad if there is ever one of those vid going around... you won't be able to afford it.

Allisandre - Sanctuary

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

...
Let me know when you do any of the bhs under 100 in 10 seconds... cause I am pretty damn well sure that I'll have a tank for any of the bh100s in under 10 seconds.

And just like to share... for those of you won't can't find world chat squads or any squads in general. It might be because of your name. Say for some random easy bh... if I want to be flooded with pms I would wc with my alt... if I want some decent geared I would wc with my archer. Both can world chat at the same time, but the gear level of the replies will be VASTLY different.

You should come check Sanctuary. At just about any given point in time, 5 squads are WCing for a barb and 3 squads are WCing for a cleric. The average wait time to get a squad started is 15-30 minutes.

Lucky for me, I happen to know an R9r1 archer that pulls/tanks in Seat, Abba, Metal, and Delta so we don't need to wait on a barb, or make me dual-client my barb anymore.

About the name bit, I've tried that, lack of responses is still the same. Sanctuary is quickly becoming the "100+ and all I do is Warsong Server".

Miugre - Heavens Tear

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

All in all... I am probably less picky about who to invite then you. I tank/cleric/dd any and all bh I want. Those wc for "n spots for x bh, don't give a rat's *** about class, first n pm gets invite" are my.

You assume pickiness is inherently a bad thing. If I've got one spot in squad and I get three sins and a wizard from WC, and I have a sin already, I'm picking the wiz, even if he wasn't first. Why not have variety?

But that wasn't my point anyway. You're saying that you get different people on your archer because people know you / your gear. How is that likely to be practical advice for the OP?

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Too bad if there is ever one of those vid going around... you won't be able to afford it.

I know, right, it must've cost so much to produce. It's not like any idiot could go to youtube and upload a video or something. I mean damn. XD