NW unequiping gear upon entering.. exploit or not???

scarletite

noticed alot of people uneqiuping gear upon entering nw
im guessing it too try downscale the sides..
so you get like 30 people with no gear enetering the might end up in the same nation..
kinda makes sense now why 1 or 2 nations dominate the nw..
i tried it and ended up in a winning nation with alot of op people and we where going against people in there 8x-9x and it was just a slaughter fest...
kinda suprised that people are tryin to find a way to exploit it already..

so if we can get alot more people doing this hopfully it will make it null and void.. i herd the auto scale system might have been through your attack hp def whatever.. so yea people enter nw naked and equip your gear when your assigned a nation..

happends alot of lost city not sure about other servers yet

Geckofreak - Sanctuary

I'm not sure if that makes a difference. I know that rewards are probably based off of soulforce for each battle, but I think entering is just like rolling a 4 sided die. The squads that dominate in NW enter as a squad and therefore it doesn't even matter where they end up, because they will all be in together. It seems when one nation dominates, it is just the 25% chance luck putting many powerful squads in same nation.

Knownase - Heavens Tear

I've heard players on HT talk about that but I wasn't really sure if it made a huge difference.

I've never tried it, but the suppose "logic" behind how this works could make sense if soulforce makes any significant impact.

Laphroaig - Raging Tide

While I don't think it would make a difference, it is an unfortunate byproduct of the MMO world for people to try finding exploits through circumventing the system and gaining advantages over players that play as the game was intended. No matter the game, those that exploit have been around since the early days of the first MMOs of the late 90s.

Desdi - Sanctuary

I was told to take off my gear in one of the few NW I did but my squad ended up in what turned out to be the losing nation (last on the ranking) so I don't think it makes any significant difference.

It's probably just pure luck.

mogwai

i tried it 2 out of the last 3 nw's, i did not tell others (until now), nor did i do it as an attempt to exploit, but in an effort to properly alert if an exploit was found.

here are my results...

For the character i entered on i have 3 pieces of quenched nirvy (one is a weapon), all else is TT & a mediocre tome.

4 NW's ago is when i thought to do this after equipping attack charms but did not.
Nation placed 2nd.
Personal score was ~5K points.

3 NW's ago i took off all equipment.
Nation placed 4th.
Personal score ~5K points.

2 NW's ago i took off only the armor pieces of nirvy (2).
Nation placed 1st.
Personal score ~5K points.

This most recent NW i did not unequip anything (like the first entry).
Nation placed 1st.
Personal score ~5K points.

I do not know by what force i keep scoring ~5K but that's just how it is.
In the 1st & last examples i got my butt kicked worse than any other times mentioned. (spawn campers).
Realizing that 4 instances is hardly any sort of study, based on the results it is clear to me that this sort of exploit was taken into consideration by the devs.
EVEN A BLIND SQUIRREL FINDS A NUT ONCE IN A WHILE.
I will not be unequipping anything again, because supply tokens are needed more than science.

apalllday

lol well one person trying this is not gonna make one Iota of a difference. Its the squads with all 2nd 3rd cast r9's that go in and win 10 vs 20 battles and are unstoppable already. but i will say this my squad is one of those and last nw 2 squads from my faction with full r9 recasts where in nw in the same nation neither of which used this "exploit" (we were in the last nation when it ended). so it would be hard to believe that we would end up in the same nation if this mattered at all. its a 25% chance in my opinion.

Aquireis - Lost City

I think when you enter NW all you gear should be stripped of your gears and they give you gear based on your level so that way you can't say one side is op because of the gear.

soundslegit

I'm too lazy to look up something definitive to link to but it was said right from the start that the server tries to balance the power of each Nation. The most obvious way to do this is soulforce(level and refines). Its a single number and easy for the server to compute. Much easier than evaluating gear. So commonsense says its soulforce.

I think the only way to respond to people taking of gear is for everyone to do it. Everyone should take of their gear and that will even things out as best as can be done.

Annalyse - Heavens Tear

Aquireis - Lost City wrote: »

I think when you enter NW all you gear should be stripped of your gears and they give you gear based on your level so that way you can't say one side is op because of the gear.

+1

I would love it if we were all fighting with the same gear/weap. That would certainly make things more interesting.

SkogDyr - Lost City

Annalyse - Heavens Tear wrote: »

+1

I would love it if we were all fighting with the same gear/weap. That would certainly make things more interesting.

b:shocked Whaaaaaaaaaaat?!? You mean you want people to have to use skill instead of buying their power? You are a heretic!!! Don't you know the first rule of PWI? Thou shalt never take thy lord, Mastercard, name in vain. Seriously. You just made 10 underpaid Chinese sweatshop devs roll over in their grave. b:chuckle

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

I don't think that remove the gears/weapon change something, cause anyway people put back after, and if people enter in a squad the squad will all get the same nation gears or no gears.

Maybe some people remove the weapon cause of the crash/lag, I know some people R9/R8r remove it before enter GV to don't crash, maybe they do the same for NW.

Xainou - Sanctuary

Annalyse - Heavens Tear wrote: »

+1

I would love it if we were all fighting with the same gear/weap. That would certainly make things more interesting.

That would be awesome. However, seeing this is a F2P game we can safely say it's never going to happen.

Also, I doubt there's anything to that myth.

Knownase - Heavens Tear

Annalyse - Heavens Tear wrote: »

+1

I would love it if we were all fighting with the same gear/weap. That would certainly make things more interesting.

The gear would need to be balanced out and not anything like NPC gear, otherwise it can still be a 1 shot fest for everyone.

Toomaga - Heavens Tear

I am not so certain about this theory either, as I did try it a few times, but it did not seem to make a huge difference. Now if this 100% does effect mechanics of entering NW, I could not agree it is an exploit as it would be simply using a mechanic built into the system. Unlike the goon glitch which as far as I am concerned was indeed an exploit.

But regardless of if this effects NW entry I don't think it makes a big difference. In the end it comes down to the NW with the best geared players and near the top, actual cooperation in capturing the flag and scoring. I have seen it to often where people simply go into PK(Which is fine it is your choice), then ultimately disregard capturing the flag or trying to protect the flag carrier.On top of that they choose to PK more than actually attacking or defending against the nation with the highest lead then choose to complain after about placing last or low token score.

Geckofreak - Sanctuary

Give everyone +10 full first cast nirvana with vit stones in it and gems in weapon based off of mag or phys class!
Also everyone gets a perma charm that disapears upon leaving!

Make everything super balanced and fun for all!

Oh wait nvm then r999 +12 full josd super cash shoppers would get madb:shutup

Toomaga - Heavens Tear

Geckofreak - Sanctuary wrote: »

Give everyone +10 full first cast nirvana with vit stones in it and gems in weapon based off of mag or phys class!
Also everyone gets a perma charm that disapears upon leaving!

Make everything super balanced and fun for all!

Oh wait nvm then r999 +12 full josd super cash shoppers would get madb:shutup

Well I could understand, would be semi boring to farm all your gear then unable to use it in a certain setting. Even though r999 has a strong advantage over lower geared tiered players, that is the result of time and money put into getting your gear.I think it's only fair those group of players get to have that kind of power compared to the much lesser geared players. Of course I am strictly basing my opinion off this MMO, not comparing it to others.

And lets not forget the lesser geared players still have an opportunity to attain that level of gear that would put them back on par with that group b:chuckle.

Horosho - Lost City

Annalyse - Heavens Tear wrote: »

+1

I would love it if we were all fighting with the same gear/weap. That would certainly make things more interesting.

Just wait till CN gets it.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

Annalyse - Heavens Tear wrote: »

+1

I would love it if we were all fighting with the same gear/weap. That would certainly make things more interesting.

As I understand the idea about that, I think it would not be fair for people that worked hard on their gears.

I worked hard for my gears while other people spend their days sitting in South complaining their gears suck, so make people fight with same gears/weap in NW? No thx for me, I worked hard for my stuff I want to be able to use it everywhere. If other people are too lazy to farm decent gears it's not my problem, I shouldn't be punish for lazy people.

Labells - Dreamweaver

Giving everyone the same gear would be unfair, I have personally farmed out 2nd forge (and am saving for 3rd cast) and watched a friend farm 4 or the 6 piece of 3rd cast, yes it takes more effort than removing your credit card from your wallet and punching in your details but you get the awesome satifaction of knowing you earned your gear. Why should we be discriminated against because we worked hard for our gear when others were too lazy and just well that's too hard so lets call for everyone to have same gear to balance NW.

Star_Prism - Archosaur

Annalyse - Heavens Tear wrote: »

+1

I would love it if we were all fighting with the same gear/weap. That would certainly make things more interesting.

I agree with this. I can understand how people that worked hard for their gear would want to be able to use it, personally I've worked very hard for the gear I currently have; but this does create a huge imbalance. When NW was first introduced it was promoted as a more equal fight because of how it would place people; and so far it has failed to do that.

As a lower level I go in knowing I'm at a huge disadvantage because I can not compete with higher levels. As an Arcane class anyone 95+ can one shot me easy. I'm not purposely going after higher level players, but they are not going to stop attacking me just because they think I'm a lower level. On the other side of the coin, I can easily kill and in some cases one shot players my level because all my gear was made with NW in mind to give me a chance to survive against higher levels.

If everyone had the same gear it would then be based solely on skill. This would certainly separate the people who power leveled and the people who took the time to learn their class. I can't see how any body who knows their class well, would not want to do this. It would not bother me at all to put aside the gear I worked hard for to create a even playing field for all.

sinpwi1

Come on, this is silly. No way is PWI going to anger their high valued customers by making this event fair. Accept the facts as they are, you are there to be farmed for tokens by the overpowered people.

If you don't like it, then don't fight them. You come across a group of overpowered toons, instead of fighting them and giving them easy points, just leave the battlefield. Go find another territory. While they are scratching their heads, looking for people to farm, you can be fighting somewhere. Remember you don't get much for wining without fighting.

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear

Star_Prism - Archosaur wrote: »

I can't see how any body who knows their class well, would not want to do this.

Prob the same reason that I work 10 hour days to pay rent so I won't have to live in downtown oakland.

Reliea - Sanctuary

Aquireis - Lost City wrote: »

I think when you enter NW all you gear should be stripped of your gears and they give you gear based on your level so that way you can't say one side is op because of the gear.

I played some mmo once that more or less did that; each class regardless of level got -particular class gear set- that expired at X time that you could wear to attend -giant capture the flag style event-
Part of your damage was based due to your level, so higher levels still had an advantage, but it made lower levels less 1-shot.
It was fun XD plus the set didn't expire til like 1 hour after the event had finished, so you could run around all epic afterwards for a little bit.
Though it was a game where gear didn't come from the cash shop.
And that is why PW will never do that here.
b:sad

Never even thought to take my stuff off to try to exploit NW somehow. Enough people do that with alts, I really can't be bothered to try something like that myself.
Plus, wouldn't it really take like, -all- of the overpowered geared people trying to join NW to do that to make any difference, if any difference can be made of it?

If anyone was to tell me to take my gear off, I'd smack them in the face with my giant fishstick and leave their squad <.<

Lavendarfae - Raging Tide

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Prob the same reason that I work 10 hour days to pay rent so I won't have to live in downtown oakland.

There is a difference between wanting to play a game where skill matters more than money spent and working hard in real life to live in a nicer area... I really hope you can tell the difference....

Personally the advantage that those who spend more money (both rl and obtained through merchanting) on this game have over me does not really bother me. It would kinda be fun to see how I stack up against other players on an even playing field, though, but I would hate to see a bunch of people not want to do NW anymore because they can no longer spend the entire time 1 shotting me (well me or the other "undergeared" people)...

_Ghoul_ - Lost City

Lavendarfae - Raging Tide wrote: »

There is a difference between wanting to play a game where skill matters more than money spent and working hard in real life to live in a nicer area... I really hope you can tell the difference....

Personally the advantage that those who spend more money (both rl and obtained through merchanting) on this game have over me does not really bother me. It would kinda be fun to see how I stack up against other players on an even playing field, though, but I would hate to see a bunch of people not want to do NW anymore because they can no longer spend the entire time 1 shotting me (well me or the other "undergeared" people)...

lol u really think those r999 wouldent wana join nw cos they cant one shoot lower geared ppl anymore mmm it actually MAKE sence somehow damn.

and entering with no gear can explain how only two nation always end up winning while flame always end up last.

hell its so bad that if i evneter flame again i will wait for next nw cos flame always end with the less r9 tw oriented players somehow.

no land mean all ur personal point go to waste in any case.

i hope gm look into this we cant have ppl ecxploiting the only system of fairness we have aka soulforce.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

Star_Prism - Archosaur wrote: »

I agree with this. I can understand how people that worked hard for their gear would want to be able to use it, personally I've worked very hard for the gear I currently have; but this does create a huge imbalance. When NW was first introduced it was promoted as a more equal fight because of how it would place people; and so far it has failed to do that.

You don't even play since a year according to Core, when we speak about people that worked hard on gears we speak about people that farmed since 3 years.

Star_Prism - Archosaur wrote: »

As a lower level I go in knowing I'm at a huge disadvantage because I can not compete with higher levels. As an Arcane class anyone 95+ can one shot me easy. I'm not purposely going after higher level players, but they are not going to stop attacking me just because they think I'm a lower level. On the other side of the coin, I can easily kill and in some cases one shot players my level because all my gear was made with NW in mind to give me a chance to survive against higher levels.

There's a bonus for level 60-99, do you take it every war? On my veno level 98 people can't even one shot me. (the bonus gimme me around 13.4k hp on veno which is more than majority of lvl 100+, + the def and attack level). It's not long to level to 100 so soon you will be the same level than the rest of people, but still it's normal that people 100+ get ''more'' tokens than a level 60.

I did it on a cleric level 63 and was getting easy 20-30m which is freaking good for 2 hours at that level. New players have really easy way to make money, the majority of old players didn't get more than 5m til level 90-100. While a level 60 now can get 100m in a month or so.

Star_Prism - Archosaur wrote: »

If everyone had the same gear it would then be based solely on skill. This would certainly separate the people who power leveled and the people who took the time to learn their class. I can't see how any body who knows their class well, would not want to do this. It would not bother me at all to put aside the gear I worked hard for to create a even playing field for all.

And that come back to someone that is really skilled and worked hard for his R9 (or any decent gears) will come back at the point to have same gears than a idiot that don't know how to play.

Nation war is the biggest thing/event/farming instance atm for people, already a bunch of people pretended to leave cause no NW for EU, if you remove the advantage of people that C$ a lot and people that worked hard on gears in the biggest PvP event than you will get a lot of people quitting.

NW give a reason to people to want to upgrade gears.

The people that don't have OP gears have what? TT99? Well beside sell their rewards to buy fash/mount/flyer and **** they should collect them, get cannies/rapts and a few week they would have 3rd Nirvana recast that is pretty decent. It's a real joke now to get the 3rd Nirvana recast, so if someone complain to have bad gears they do something wrong with their money which is not the problem of people that worked on their gears.

I know a veno that had the crapiest gears ever and since the start of NW she collected the cannies/rapt and she need one more NW and she have the entire full set of 3rd Nirvana recast (including the weap), but she didn't spend money on fash/mount/flyer and other **** and she even come NW no charm.

We have NW since what 2 months now? People have no excuse to don't have good gears.

Nariin - Dreamweaver

They could make gear lock upon entering NW. So if you remove gears you need to fight without gears.

soundslegit

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Prob the same reason that I work 10 hour days
to pay rent so I won't have to die in downtown oakland.

Fixed.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

Nariin - Dreamweaver wrote: »

They could make gear lock upon entering NW. So if you remove gears you need to fight without gears.

Haha that would be funny. xD

In middle of a war:

''my blessing just expired, d*** can't equip a new one''

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary

Aquireis - Lost City wrote: »

I think when you enter NW all you gear should be stripped of your gears and they give you gear based on your level so that way you can't say one side is op because of the gear.

Would **** people that have stat points set up for a different kind of armor than their class would normally wear. IE, LA/HA casters, LA Barbs/BM/Seeker, HA Sin/Archer.

So, one thing you all should keep in mind when raging about this. Your gear doesn't REALLY give you THAT much soulforce. My Archer, at 100, has 18k soulforce with armor and weapon, but ONLY drops to 15k soulforce when I remove all of my armor. My armor is all TT99/R8/second cast pants +10 with vit stones, weapon is +6 R8 bow. So really, not a huge difference. I CAN get 23k soulforce by equipping my +10 fists, but I wouldn't have them equipped during entering anyway.

I think this 'enter naked exploit' is jsut designed to get you all with your panties in a bunch and distract from other, more obvious, balance issues. b:chuckle