Firmament Bow Rank

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  • Iyania - Heavens Tear
    Iyania - Heavens Tear Posts: 612 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Did Ast finish rolling bow yet?

    Edit: nvm, I am dumb and didn't read that he kept his 6th roll.
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  • Iyania - Heavens Tear
    Iyania - Heavens Tear Posts: 612 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Final score: 24/5/13

    30 rolls.

    Also Ast, I got the 21/6/15 roll on my second roll and I let it go because I got greedy for attack level. I proceeded to curse deeply and profoundly for the next 27 rolls.
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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Iyania - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Final score: 24/5/13

    30 rolls.

    Also Ast, I got the 21/6/15 roll on my second roll and I let it go because I got greedy for attack level. I proceeded to curse deeply and profoundly for the next 27 rolls.

    Grats! Yeah I would have done that too but I decided I was bored with farming. This way I only have to be on for NW / TW b:victory
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  • Iyania - Heavens Tear
    Iyania - Heavens Tear Posts: 612 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Grats! Yeah I would have done that too but I decided I was bored with farming. This way I only have to be on for NW / TW b:victory

    Oh I despise farming. The only reason I had that many badges to roll with was there was about 1000 badges on my account because e-spouse had terribad luck with his weapon and used my sin to speed-farm his rolls.

    There's...still like 330 left. Perfect for rolling my cleric's G16 weapon????
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  • AriaArrow - Raging Tide
    AriaArrow - Raging Tide Posts: 55 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Just finished mine, number 208.

    20/5/17

    3 tries b:surrender
  • Nout - Sanctuary
    Nout - Sanctuary Posts: 25 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    #444 53.37%: 16, 5, 15
    #316 37.98%: 18, 6, 11
    #146 17.55%: 24, 4, 12

    Last one is good enough for me :)
  • Karmiel - Dreamweaver
    Karmiel - Dreamweaver Posts: 103 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    25 4 15

    first roll

    number 75.


    I wont be re-rolling.




    b:victory
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  • Valirah - Sanctuary
    Valirah - Sanctuary Posts: 522 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Karmiel - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    25 4 15

    first roll

    number 75.


    I wont be re-rolling.




    b:victory


    I hate you people....


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  • Fyara - Dreamweaver
    Fyara - Dreamweaver Posts: 43 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    #12 1.44%: 24, 6, 17b:shocked finnaly can refine it :D
  • sneakingzoe
    sneakingzoe Posts: 49 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    #88 10.58%: 23, 5, 15

    First try, seems I can be glad about it b:laugh
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  • RavensKing - Heavens Tear
    RavensKing - Heavens Tear Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    97th, kinda like it now :P
  • dmant
    dmant Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I think this should be stickied cause it is so damn useful. Anyone else what to jump on that bandwagon with me?
  • Nurfed_You - Harshlands
    Nurfed_You - Harshlands Posts: 754 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    asterelle should make one for wizard weapon >.>
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  • PooEA - Lost City
    PooEA - Lost City Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    A friend and I have the bows #81 and #96 respectively. I have the #96 one, for fast check the stats are as follows

    #81 = 21, 6, 18
    #96 = 22, 5, 18

    He has the 1% crit advantage and I have the 1 attack level advantage obviously, but IMO, damage-wise my bow should be ranked above his. My reasoning:

    Let's assume our damage outputs in all other ways except for our different bows are identical.
    In fact for simplicity let's assume we have 0% crit chance for my first example:

    AFTER 100 ATTACKS:
    On an average, all my hits will deal 1% more dmg and after 100 hits those 1% more damage summed up will be equal to 101 attacks because 1% * base damage * 100 hits = 1 extra hit.

    On an average, his 1% extra chance in crit will mean he deals the damage of 101 attacks - he will hit 99 times non-crits and 1 time double damage, hence 101 attacks.

    Thus we deal the same damage on an average.


    Now if we take crit into consideration, say we both have 30% crit chance base (him 31% cuz of his bow):

    When we deal non-crit damage we will still follow the pattern like before, my dmg being 1% higher, BUT when we both crit, I get a boost - my damage is increased by 2% from the 1 attack level, because the relative damage is doubled, while his remains unchanged.

    So after 100 attacks, my damage should be equivalent to that of (30 * 2 + 70) * 1.01 = 131.3 hits

    While his damage is equivalent to that of (31 * 2 + 69) * 1 = 131 hits.


    Thus my #96 bow should technically be ranked higher than his, or am I wrong?
  • HrunsPanda - Archosaur
    HrunsPanda - Archosaur Posts: 1,136 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Only if you have no attack levels other than this one. If you have for example 80 attack levels, your attack level is bringing you from 180 to 181 while his crit point is bringing him from 130 to 131 and thus providing a bigger benefit.

    Maybe someone should make an excel where you can fill in your base numbers (weapon damage after refinement, ring+damage, attack level, %weapon damage bonus) and the mods that are possible on your weapon and have it be universal for all classes. :) Then again, there will always be apples and pears to compare. How are you gonna value 350HPs or 30% accuracy (which hugely depends on opponenst evasion) vs extra damage ?

    I like OPs initiative and sharing of it, even though i dont have an archer :) I just like it when people go for facts instead of bull**** and use excel. :p
  • mae
    mae Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    That's 832 different bows, all of them equally likely.

    This is not true. With only 832 different bows possible we would see a perfect stat bow by now. After over 50 rerolls and counting on 2 different weapons I have not seen a 24 or 25 attack lvl, or a 10 or 11 attack lvl. They are very rare. 3/4s of these rerolls are between 14 and 19, not the 1/3 this logic would suggest.

    Other than that useful chart. :)
  • Maelael - Heavens Tear
    Maelael - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,497 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    mae wrote: »
    This is not true. With only 832 different bows possible we would see a perfect stat bow by now. After over 50 rerolls and counting on 2 different weapons I have not seen a 24 or 25 attack lvl, or a 10 or 11 attack lvl. They are very rare. 3/4s of these rerolls are between 14 and 19, not the 1/3 this logic would suggest.

    Other than that useful chart. :)

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  • Elenacostel - Heavens Tear
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,822 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    SweetieBot, please award 8 points to Asterelle - Sanctuary for creating this useful thread.
  • SweetieBot - Lothranis
    SweetieBot - Lothranis Posts: 18,978 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    SweetieBot, please award 8 points to Asterelle - Sanctuary for creating this useful thread.
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  • FaceRolI - Sanctuary
    FaceRolI - Sanctuary Posts: 450 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Nurfed_You - Harshlands wrote: »
    asterelle should make one for wizard weapon >.>

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  • Elenacostel - Heavens Tear
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,822 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    My rolls. I was going to settle for top 33%, so I think I'll be keeping this one.

    #314 37.74%: 19, 4, 19
    #344 41.35%: 16, 6, 17
    #215 25.84%: 22, 4, 14
  • AshenSkies - Heavens Tear
    AshenSkies - Heavens Tear Posts: 949 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    My rolls. I was going to settle for top 33%, so I think I'll be keeping this one.

    #314 37.74%: 19, 4, 19
    #344 41.35%: 16, 6, 17
    #215 25.84%: 22, 4, 14

    There goes my chance of killing you before you kill me.

    :(
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  • Dylena - Raging Tide
    Dylena - Raging Tide Posts: 1,416 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    18 Rolls, highest I got was 21 attack lvl 14 dex and 5 crit I re-rolled that and got puniched with a 15 attk lvl 15 dex and 4 crit, time to farm me some warsong.
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  • DirtySouth - Raging Tide
    DirtySouth - Raging Tide Posts: 287 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Dylena - Raging Tide wrote: »
    18 Rolls,

    lolol quit already!
  • Dylena - Raging Tide
    Dylena - Raging Tide Posts: 1,416 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    DirtySouth - Raging Tide wrote: »
    lolol quit already!

    Farm me badges. b:cry
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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    If you want to practice forging the bow you can do it in this thread with Sweetiebot.

    Sweetiebot forge me a Firmament bow please!
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  • SweetieBot - Lothranis
    SweetieBot - Lothranis Posts: 18,978 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Sweetiebot forge me a Firmament bow please!
    Here you go!

    ☆☆☆Firmament (2 socket(s))
    Type: Weapons
    Subtype: Bow
    Used by character(s): Archer
    Ranged
    LV. 16
    Attack Speed 0.67
    Attack Range 20
    Physical attack 1410-2619

    Str required 55
    Agi required 305

    Level Required: 101
    Requisite Reputation: 300000

    Price: 200.760 / 401.520
    Interval Between Hits -0.1 seconds
    HP: +205
    Dexterity +11
    Spirit Blackhole: Has a higher chance to dispel target's positive effect.
    Atk. Level +40
    Atk. Level +16
    Critical Hit Rate +4%

    A bow whose arrows can split reality itself.
    Limitless Rank IX Weapon.Unable to be decomposed.
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  • Elenacostel - Heavens Tear
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,822 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Sweetiebot, please forge me a Firmament bow!
  • SweetieBot - Lothranis
    SweetieBot - Lothranis Posts: 18,978 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Sweetiebot, please forge me a Firmament bow!
    Here you go!

    ☆☆☆Firmament (2 socket(s))
    Type: Weapons
    Subtype: Bow
    Used by character(s): Archer
    Ranged
    LV. 16
    Attack Speed 0.67
    Attack Range 20
    Physical attack 1410-2619

    Str required 55
    Agi required 305

    Level Required: 101
    Requisite Reputation: 300000

    Price: 200.760 / 401.520
    Interval Between Hits -0.1 seconds
    HP: +205
    Dexterity +20
    Spirit Blackhole: Has a higher chance to dispel target's positive effect.
    Atk. Level +40
    Atk. Level +21
    Critical Hit Rate +6%

    A bow whose arrows can split reality itself.
    Limitless Rank IX Weapon.Unable to be decomposed.
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  • Elenacostel - Heavens Tear
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,822 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    SweetieBot - Lothranis wrote: »

    Interval Between Hits -0.1 seconds
    HP: +205
    Dexterity +20
    Spirit Blackhole: Has a higher chance to dispel target's positive effect.
    Atk. Level +40
    Atk. Level +21
    Critical Hit Rate +6%

    A bow whose arrows can split reality itself.
    Limitless Rank IX Weapon.Unable to be decomposed.


    #64 7.69%: 21, 6, 20

    Damn, I wish I had that bow.

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