Removing stealth from NW and map changing

Shardik - Lost City

HaiYou - Lost City wrote: »

Let me tell you a story, of a magical time.

I once entered this magical realm with all these Tiny little sins hopping in and out of stealth. They all decided to come play with me and I was like "This is so Magical >:P"

I then hit a magical button called Invoke, followed by another magical button called Demon Roar, followed by yet another magical button called Demon Sunder. All those magical Sins and the one BM that was playing with me all fell down.

I felt so sad for their injuries but in the end I think it was for the best b:pleased

MotherGlubbing miracles b:chuckle

Magic is everywhere in ths Bullshyt XD b:chuckle

Sorry but your post made me have some fun hehe b:laugh

ovenusarmanio

Naturion - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Ok, soon as i respawn i have no genie energy its still filling up and the skills u guys are mentioning to use takes alot of energy, the sins are in stealth waiting til ur immune to damage buff is gone. BUT handling the ganks from a couple of sins during a battle is another thing most people can survive that. But getting spawned killed by a bunch of them is different.

How are u supposed to survive if atleast 2 sins has +10 g16 daggers sparked and ur getting stunned? and then another one popping up, with out being able to use apoth, and the sins pops up to stun before u can even react to use the apoth, and then some caster attacking along hoping to get the kill. Bramble? yeah i bet the veno in my squad will know what exact spot ill get spawned and bramble me right away! and uhm oh yeah ill totally have enough energy on the genie for alpha soon as i respawn , most of you guys are just all talk in the forum.

And in what universe should a single player be able to tank 4 well geared players each no matter what without the use of genies, pots, etc. It is perfectly fair you die to that combo. The odds are not supposed to always be in your favor. That's is what supposed to happen. Or are they just not supposed to be able to kill you at all?Stop standing around waiting for the immune to damage buff is gone and use your speed skill to get the hell out of there. Run to an ally so that you can attack them as a team too. You're reminding me right now of all those that used to tell me not to heal myself in duels back in the low levels. Because it wasn't fair that I had any sort of advantage over them. You find that sin with your team you will have the advantage over them. Sins will have an advantage if they can get you one on one and away from your team. That's perfectly fair.

As for spawn camping, that's a separate issue entirely. Sins in stealth though, no not a problem.

Maelael - Heavens Tear

oVenusArmanio wrote: »

And in what universe should a single player be able to tank 4 well geared players each no matter what without the use of genies, pots, etc.

I thought you played on HT? You should see this constantly in NW, as there is a lot of gear+faceroll=awesome? on our server.


And stealth is what saves a lot, if not the majority of sins on HT from being 1 shot 5 times out of every instance they're in.

ovenusarmanio

Maelael - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I thought you played on HT? You should see this constantly in NW, as there is a lot of gear+faceroll=awesome? on our server.

Well that's a matter of gear not game mechanics. And that's a whole 'nother can of worms. Although I must say that R9rrr is utterly ridiculous. I've been doing NW on both DW and HT. I enjoyed doing NW on variety of different toons and have that option on DW. So it's kinda made DW more interesting to me.

Maelael - Heavens Tear

oVenusArmanio wrote: »

Well that's a matter of gear not game mechanics. And that's a whole 'nother can of worms. Although I must say that R9rrr is utterly ridiculous. I've been doing NW on both DW and HT. I enjoyed doing NW on variety of different toons and have that option on DW. So it's kinda made DW more interesting to me.

No no no, I mean there are people that are so bad, they can pound on people with their full N3/R9 and not kill them on a regular basis...no genie or apoth required on the receiving end. I've totally done this and just facerolled my AoEs to victory (or hit Will of Bod and kthxbai'ed).

Same in reverse, people with N3/R9/R9r/R9rr, not being able to kill TT90 +3 before they get killed.

It's not the gear, its not the genies, its not the apoth, its not the "OMG SINZ R OP" (or other class people like to whine about), its playstyle.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

i think this NW is a pretty good way to sift players who can or cannot capably handle new and challenging content >.>

ovenusarmanio

Maelael - Heavens Tear wrote: »

No no no, I mean there are people that are so bad, they can pound on people with their full R9 and not kill them on a regular basis...no genie or apoth required on the receiving end. I've totally done this and just facerolled my AoEs to victory (or hit Will of Bod and kthxbai'ed).

Same in reverse, people with N3/R9/R9r/R9rr, not being able to kill TT90 +3 before they get killed.

It's not the gear, its not the genies, its not the apoth, its not the "OMG SINZ R OP" (or other class people like to whine about), its playstyle.

A friend of mine told me about a 20v2 that was won by a single R999 psy on the 2 side. They got the flag first and just could not be stopped. That's a bit ridiculous. I do see your point but let's face it. Gear helps a whole hella of a lot. Although not enough lowbies are taking the overseer's blessings. I do well despite my level thanks to those things evening up the score a little bit. They just ignore it and that's something anyone below a 100 could do to increase survivability. That's just not bothering to do the things you can do.

FluffyRoar - Heavens Tear

oVenusArmanio wrote: »

A friend of mine told me about a 20v2 that was won by a single R999 psy on the 2 side. They got the flag first and just could not be stopped. That's a bit ridiculous. I do see your point but let's face it. Gear helps a whole hella of a lot. Although not enough lowbies are taking the overseer's blessings. I do well despite my level thanks to those things evening up the score a little bit. They just ignore it and that's something anyone below a 100 could do to increase survivability. That's just not bothering to do the things you can do.

That's the fault of the 20 people, not because R9s3 is OP. It's strong indeed, but it's not OP. Even a +12 JoSD R9s3 psy would die to 20 people after but a single purge. Completely unlucky if there was nobody there to purge/bows failed, but I'm assuming there was at least one purge. The side of 20 was filled with morons, and that's not fault of the power of R9s3.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

FluffyRoar - Heavens Tear wrote: »

That's the fault of the 20 people, not because R9s3 is OP. It's strong indeed, but it's not OP. Even a +12 JoSD R9s3 psy would die to 20 people after but a single purge. Completely unlucky if there was nobody there to purge/bows failed, but I'm assuming there was at least one purge. The side of 20 was filled with morons, and that's not fault of the power of R9s3.

yeah... just some pple forget to use their debuffs or stuns or seals and just wack at it b:surrender

FluffyRoar - Heavens Tear

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

yeah... just some pple forget to use their debuffs or stuns or seals and just wack at it b:surrender

Forgetting to debuff and stun at the appropriate times is part of the vast majority of people in this game that play as though they have down syndrome. A huge part of a struggle to kill a R9s3 caster is due to the purify proc, but it's only a part of it, as some people might complain about how "OP" it is.

Some people as you say = 95% of people. b:surrender

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

FluffyRoar - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Forgetting to debuff and stun at the appropriate times is part of the vast majority of people in this game that play as though they have down syndrome. A huge part of a struggle to kill a R9s3 caster is due to the purify proc, but it's only a part of it, as some people might complain about how "OP" it is.

Some people as you say = 95% of people. b:surrender

i have an urge to grab that puppy head

FluffyRoar - Heavens Tear

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

i have an urge to grab that puppy head

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/09/22/article-0-0E085A6E00000578-130_634x337.jpg

Boo is scared of you

seitori

b:lipcurl__Well atleast the OP wasn't complaining about those of us using Sins for NW doing (Stealth Escorting & Stunblock Assisting) of the flag carriers so they can go on back too base with only a small chance & worry of being dropped by pursuers....b:thanks


But sooner or later someone will whine about that 1 too....



BTW: I do agree with the map transfer bit, whole heartedly....b:victory

MistaBwanden - Sanctuary

Don't agree with this at all....

I'm a slightly above average geared Cleric. I'm able to grab the flag and take an onslaught from sins and anyone else really, and even capture it. There must be some problem with you if you're complaining about sins. >_>

Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver

Flamespirit - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Altogether- Bramble should be severly nerfed in pvp...

Nah I've killed many venos with bramble on long before their bramble got me. Demon bramble is what honestly hurts...sage bramble is nothing. And even for demon just use a pangu essence or AD while hitting and your safe.

Massad - Harshlands

Krisnda wrote: »

I'll talk to Val about having it so that everyone is forced to wear the lowest lv NCP gear/weapons when going into NW. b:chuckle

Geckofreak - Sanctuary wrote: »

no no no, make everyone have full r999 with max stats and +12 josd, all lv 11 skills, and of identical appearanceb:victory

Even though they are jokes I could get behind either one of those... Lets even the playing field in nw and see how good some of these people really

Bhavyy - Raging Tide

Geckofreak - Sanctuary wrote: »

no no no, make everyone have full r999 with max stats and +12 josd, all lv 11 skills, and of identical appearanceb:victory

You don't need this, you kill r9rr with +10 t3.

Why don't we all just watch some geckofreak videos and just learn off of this masterofarchers

fuzzywuzz

Jaabg - Sanctuary wrote: »

...These people already have r9 2nd/3rd cast weapons at +10~+12, with the gear.... ...the battle was needlessly long...

So your battle kept a bunch of r9+ ppl busy while the rest of your nation went on in other battles. That actually sounds pretty good to Fuzzy. If you managed to keep a few people like that busy farming kills on you the less time they had to inflict such damage on the rest of your nation.


If r9+ want to waste time farming kills in a one sided war the panda says to just let em. b:chuckle

Ajaany - Raging Tide

BUAAHAHAH

really?another REMOVE STEALTH QQ thread?

while yr at it ask to remove bp 2 no?

like Fuzzy said k then we aka sins ask to remove brambles an sov's and what not skills so just quit bishing around go make a sin yrself or learn to counter a sins stealth aka reveal potions or get more hp so u dnt get one shot or killed fast...me as a sin i get ganked by other sins or even jumped on while in stealth casue beiing 103 isnt a big deal anymore...

ish remove stealth he says lmfao you ppl have no brain at all do you ... lol

Zanryu - Dreamweaver

Ajaany - Raging Tide wrote: »

BUAAHAHAH

really?another REMOVE STEALTH QQ thread?

while yr at it ask to remove bp 2 no?

like Fuzzy said k then we aka sins ask to remove brambles an sov's and what not skills so just quit bishing around go make a sin yrself or learn to counter a sins stealth aka reveal potions or get more hp so u dnt get one shot or killed fast...me as a sin i get ganked by other sins or even jumped on while in stealth casue beiing 103 isnt a big deal anymore...

ish remove stealth he says lmfao you ppl have no brain at all do you ... lol

Stealth can stay if you get rid of BP, Tidal, Focused Mind, and Deaden Nerves.

That's quite fair, I'd say! b:cute

Ajaany - Raging Tide

suuuuure

then remove bramble,hf,sov and and and and and

thats pretty fair no

how about shut up and actually think for 1 sec
how can u posiblly ask for removing a skill from 1 char w/o thinkig they would actually ask the same thing?

for sins bramble,sov and other skills are a pain (well not if u use ad,ig or pan gu essence and if u know how but if u dnt well yeah) but u dnt see us making thread about it

QQ remove bramble
QQ remove Bms Stuns
QQ remove Psys Sovs

ish brainless ppl think 1 sec before u rage post **** posts like this