Demon Psy

creeznation
creeznation Posts: 0 Arc User
edited December 2012 in Psychic
I want to go for a demon psy but i am kinda scared my survivability on a PVP server will be serverly limited compared to a sage psychic I want the huge kill bonuses and landing magic crits 24/7 is sexy my main reason is becuz on my server no1 is a demon psychic and guess i want to be the odd one out because i like to be diffrent but i dont know if its worth it whats u guys opinion on demon psychics

LuciferV's Vids kinda inspired me to do this he looks like a beast
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  • Subtraction - Harshlands
    Subtraction - Harshlands Posts: 690 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    okay.
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  • Kerona - Sanctuary
    Kerona - Sanctuary Posts: 1,771 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    *slow clap*

    You throwing away a good thing is not my problem.
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  • TheDendra - Harshlands
    TheDendra - Harshlands Posts: 222 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Gee, if you want to be different you can always make....ah wait, all the stupid ideas have already been taken, so you can't really make a full vitality psy or an aps psy...so I guess you'll have to either settle for taking the best option for the psys or joining the I R Special brigade.

    If you want to be different, play better than others. If only way you see yourself differentiating from others is by choosing demon just because nobody else does....Sure, demon has its perks but that shouldn't be the reason to choose it, if you compare the two realistically, sage is much, much better and highly versatile in comparison to demon who is capable of dishing out that high crit rate for brief moments of inspiration, but that's about it.
  • __ian__ - Heavens Tear
    __ian__ - Heavens Tear Posts: 162 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Demon Psy b:laugh ya good luck with that.
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  • Sister_Warui - Raging Tide
    Sister_Warui - Raging Tide Posts: 996 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Kerona - Sanctuary wrote: »
    *slow clap*

    You throwing away a good thing is not my problem.
    +1.
    I have no idea how he was doing it on a demon psy, but getting it to go off properly on a consistent basis just isn't nearly as feasible as a sage psy and someone who can, you know, play it properly.
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  • LuciferV - Raging Tide
    LuciferV - Raging Tide Posts: 381 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    __ian__ - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Demon Psy b:laugh ya good luck with that.

    TheDendra - Harshlands wrote: »
    Sure, demon has its perks but that shouldn't be the reason to choose it, if you compare the two realistically, sage is much, much better and highly versatile in comparison to demon who is capable of dishing out that high crit rate for brief moments of inspiration, but that's about it.
    Wait.. what?
    There's nothing absolutely better than anything... its all YOU...
    Btw this is a free to play n pay to win game...
    I was sage til i reach #1 on psy pk ranking
    Don't F. with me, I F. back ;)
  • MetzliDemon - Harshlands
    MetzliDemon - Harshlands Posts: 354 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Ok, what's wrong on a Demon Psychic?! O.o
    Don't call me noob for not knowing this, my main is a sin, i've a psychic but it's just lvl 30 and something...
    MetzliDemon - 102 Celestial Demon Assassin f:grin
    AmyDemon - 96 Demon Cleric
    ShekmetDemon - 81 Venomancer
    MictianDemon - 68 Blademaster
    HecateDemon - 60 Mystic
    AhrinamDemon - 50 Psychic
    AliahDemon - 24 Seeker
    And there's a 75 Barbarian too! f:cute
  • Subtraction - Harshlands
    Subtraction - Harshlands Posts: 690 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    MetzliDemon - Harshlands wrote: »
    Ok, what's wrong on a Demon Psychic?! O.o
    Don't call me noob for not knowing this, my main is a sin, i've a psychic but it's just lvl 30 and something...

    the above posters are trolls, most psys go demon for 5aps ofc.
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  • TheDendra - Harshlands
    TheDendra - Harshlands Posts: 222 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    @LuciferV You're missing the point, the guy wants to be demon just to be different and I'm saying that's a wrong reason to do so. There are a few good things about demon psys which doesn't make them a bad choice, but sage psys are much more versatile and when you compare their skills, sage psys have much more useful skills than demon - or you gonna try telling me now that stuff like demon psy.will is better than sage, or bubble of life, or soulburn, or earth vector, or or or or or or....
  • Kerona - Sanctuary
    Kerona - Sanctuary Posts: 1,771 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Subtraction - Harshlands wrote: »
    the above posters are trolls, most psys go demon for 5aps ofc.

    Totally not a troll.
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  • Dai_Viper - Archosaur
    Dai_Viper - Archosaur Posts: 142 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    for those sage psy comment on here, have u ever played demon psy?b:shutup
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  • thedendra
    thedendra Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Dai_Viper - Archosaur wrote: »
    for those sage psy comment on here, have u ever played demon psy?b:shutup

    Yes and I can still give you at least 14 reasons why sage is better as opposed to 4 reasons why demon is better, if those 4 really matter to you that much, go demon.
  • LuciferV - Raging Tide
    LuciferV - Raging Tide Posts: 381 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    thedendra wrote: »
    Yes and I can still give you at least 14 reasons why sage is better as opposed to 4 reasons why demon is better, if those 4 really matter to you that much, go demon.
    Whatever.!.
    Don't F. with me, I F. back ;)
  • Syfo - Dreamweaver
    Syfo - Dreamweaver Posts: 37 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Hm, ive played both
    and both sage and demon are fun to use.
    only difference is demons crit like a moose on a interstate.

    I wouldnt go demon just to be different though,
    it takes different strategies to play either demon or sage
    because of their different skill add-ons at lvl 11.
  • Longknife - Harshlands
    Longknife - Harshlands Posts: 4,843 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    MetzliDemon - Harshlands wrote: »
    Ok, what's wrong on a Demon Psychic?! O.o
    Don't call me noob for not knowing this, my main is a sin, i've a psychic but it's just lvl 30 and something...

    Sage Psy has 20 seconds physical resistance, Demon has 8.
    Sage Psy has 6 second charm tick and 5 second silence, Demon has 7 and 3.
    Sage Psy builds chi easier, and as you may have noticed, we need chi for our defensive spells. No chi = dead Psy.
    It may not seem like it, but the 10 meter range on Sandburst is sick. I definite must both for AOEing opponents and tossing out enemy sins.
    Sage Psy hits harder and can debuff an enemy's charm for 1 second more.
    Sage Psy gets two purify spells. Double the purify effect is worth it's weight in gold.
    Unsure on this one, but didn't only the sage DoTs get beefed up to 500%? (could be wrong here)
    Sage Glacial Shards immobilizes for 6 seconds at 60%. IMO, 60% is more than enough and the 15% less chance is definitely worth the extra two seconds.
    Soulburn lasts 2 seconds longer.


    Demon Psy's strength is in crit.
    The problems arise in HOW it gains crit.
    Landslide requires you be close to your enemy to even cast, then has only a 30% chance of increasing crit by 50% for 4 seconds. 4 seconds is basically two spells then the effect is gone, so basically you get a guarenteed crit on a spell like Aqua Impact or Spirit Blast. While nice, it's also fairly limited.
    Demon Tide Spirit increases crit rate by 20% for 15 seconds. A very nice affect, but again, the problem is this costs two sparks. When a demon Psy uses this, they're basically announcing "I have no sparks left" and the Psy is super vulnerable themselves. While overall the effect is still nice, it's an issue of putting all your eggs in once basket. Sage Psy offers Bubble of Life, Psy will, Soulburn, Empowered Vigor, Soul of Silence, extra chi aaaaall over the place (Earth Vector, Spirit Blast) etc, Demon offers....well, Tide Spirit.
    The other issue with Tide spirit is that a Psy is easily kited from. You HAVE to use Earth Vector or Glacial in combination with it to make sure the enemy stays put, and a simple anti-stun or AD might ruin most (if not all) of your Tide Spirit. The alternative is to use Soul of Stunning with a high soulforce to stun the target for 10 seconds, THEN Tide Spirit, but it's overkill at that point. I know from experience that the Sage version would get the job done in that scenario...


    Purify is super damned important.
    5 second silence and 6 second charm tick is super damned important.
    20 second physical immunity is super damned important for fighting archers and sins.
    20% extra crit on Tide Spirit? It's kind of a luxury.

    Overall Psys have plenty of offensive moves already, but we have one of the crappiest defenses in the game. Don't get even more offense when it's unneccesary, pad your defense with Sage.


    EDIT: Here OP, I actually found a visual aid to help illustrate my point: This.

    Jump to the 9 minute mark and watch "How to slow down catas with minimal Tunnel Snakes." As you watch, compare sage to demon. First thing you'll notice is I attempt to Tide Spirit (cause I never expected to be able to hold off entire cata squads with me and a veno, so might as well bomb my chi and try to kill one) but it immediately gets "cancelled" by turtle. This is the issue with Tide Spirit. All it takes is an opponent that knows what he's doing to ruin it.
    Next, just watch my chi. Watch how I build it up, watch Earth Vector save me a spark (which saves my life) etc etc etc. Watch how the 20 second physical immunity comes in handy.
    None of that would've been possible if I were demon. Had I been demon I would've died at about the 10:30 mark (or earlier, correct me if I'm wrong). Demon basically attempts to burn half as long and shine twice as bright, the problem being that the window of opportunity demon creates is easily dodged with AD, turtle, or holy path kiting. If you use Soul of Stunning in advance then Demon tide is just plain overkill. Sage however allows you to last twice as long in order to get kills later (which I do, you'll see a cata barb drop in that mess).
    I <3 AGOREY
  • LuciferV - Raging Tide
    LuciferV - Raging Tide Posts: 381 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Still waiting for a Sage psy to pass me on pk ranking... I have been inactive for months now.. dammit....
    Don't F. with me, I F. back ;)
  • Kerona - Sanctuary
    Kerona - Sanctuary Posts: 1,771 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    LuciferV - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Still waiting for a Sage psy to pass me on pk ranking... I have been inactive for months now.. dammit....

    Nofishy stands outside west like you. Nope.


    (and I quit I just have forum issues.)
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  • Tide_Surfer - Archosaur
    Tide_Surfer - Archosaur Posts: 1,261 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    __ian__ - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Demon Psy b:laugh ya good luck with that.

    One of the BEST TW/PvP/PK Psychics on Archosaur server is a D-E-M-O-N Psychic, his name is MeXyCaN, Full R9 +12 DoT sharded Psychic, don't go implying Demon Psychic is fail b:chuckle By the way, yes I am indeed a Sage Psychic, but that is just because I prefer to hit hard as well as being tanky at the same time, and according to my research/friends opinions, I decided Sage b:cute
    don't take this post the wrong way, it's not a QQ or RAWWRRRRR post, just saying b:victory
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    Tide_Surfer: "I feel SPESHALL *says like a lil kid*"
    Veneir: "Seashell? :3"
    Tide_Surfer: "Yes Veny, yes. A speshall seashell."
  • Tide_Surfer - Archosaur
    Tide_Surfer - Archosaur Posts: 1,261 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »
    Unsure on this one, but didn't only the sage DoTs get beefed up to 500%? (could be wrong here)

    Not the sage or demon, it was the general skill, only add on sage is + 1.2k extra damage b:cute
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Tide_Surfer: "I feel SPESHALL *says like a lil kid*"
    Veneir: "Seashell? :3"
    Tide_Surfer: "Yes Veny, yes. A speshall seashell."
  • Longknife - Harshlands
    Longknife - Harshlands Posts: 4,843 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Tide_Surfer - Archosaur wrote: »
    One of the BEST TW/PvP/PK Psychics on Archosaur server is a D-E-M-O-N Psychic, his name is MeXyCaN, Full R9 +12 DoT sharded Psychic, don't go implying Demon Psychic is fail b:chuckle

    Yes, obviously he's the best Psychic because he's demon.
    I <3 AGOREY
  • Tide_Surfer - Archosaur
    Tide_Surfer - Archosaur Posts: 1,261 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »
    Yes, obviously he's the best Psychic because he's demon.

    Might I also say, there are SEVERAL R9 +12/+11 (+12 weapon and +10-+12 armour) Psychics on Archosaur Server, sharded with Dot/JoSD or both. examples of this being Dai_Viper, Nissoss, heroofshadow, zkickz. I'm not saying it's 100% to do with being demon, mexy is a very good Psychic, but he is demon, was a statement. b:cute
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Tide_Surfer: "I feel SPESHALL *says like a lil kid*"
    Veneir: "Seashell? :3"
    Tide_Surfer: "Yes Veny, yes. A speshall seashell."
  • LuciferV - Raging Tide
    LuciferV - Raging Tide Posts: 381 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Idiots think One is better than Another.
    Don't F. with me, I F. back ;)
  • Tide_Surfer - Archosaur
    Tide_Surfer - Archosaur Posts: 1,261 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    LuciferV - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Idiots think One is better than Another.

    Each has its pros and cons, neither is better, just more suitable to one person than the other, vice versa to other people b:victory
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Tide_Surfer: "I feel SPESHALL *says like a lil kid*"
    Veneir: "Seashell? :3"
    Tide_Surfer: "Yes Veny, yes. A speshall seashell."
  • Apostasy - Raging Tide
    Apostasy - Raging Tide Posts: 1,197 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    •Sage Spells/Skills
    ○Demon Spells/Skills

    Aqua Impact (Sage wins +1)
    • +Slows target an additional 10% to the already 40% slowed speed
    ○ 20% chance to drain target's chi by 30

    Spirit Blast (Demon wins +1)
    • 20% chance to gain 30 chi
    ○ +361 additional damage

    Black Voodoo (Is a Draw)
    • +3 additional Attack Levels
    ○ -3 Defense Levels lost

    White Voodoo (Sage wins +2)
    • +5 additional Defense Levels
    ○ -3% Channeling Time

    Soul of Vengeance (Sage wins +3 as SUPPORT) (Demon wins +2 as PVP)
    • Reflection Costs No Mana
    ○ +4% Soulforce added as reflection damage

    Torrent (Is a Draw)
    • +1200 additional damage
    ○ -3 second duration of dot

    Bubble of Life (Is a Draw) both can be argued pvp and support
    • Cancels negative effect status
    ○ -5 seconds till cooldown

    Landslide (Is a Draw)
    • Range to cast +3 meters
    ○ 30% chance to +50% additional crit rate for 4 seconds

    Aqua Cannon (Demon wins +3)
    • 30% chance to immobilize targets for 3 seconds
    ○ 50% chance to deal +4518.8 water damage to all targets over 6 seconds

    Sand Trap (Is a Draw)
    • +1200 additional damage
    ○ -3 second duration of dot

    Diminished Vigor (Sage wins +4)
    • +1 second to time till hp charm ticks again
    ○ -5% healing skills effects & -10% pots heal effects

    Soul of Stunning (Sage wins +5)
    • +1 second stun time per 4000 soulforce (normally per 5000 soulforce)
    ○ +1 second stun time

    Glacial Shards (Demon wins +4)
    • +2 second immobilize time (to 6 seconds total, from 4 seconds)
    ○ +15% chance to immobilize (to 75% chance, from 60% chance)

    Empowered Vigor (Sage wins +6)
    • -1 second to time till hp charm ticks again
    ○ +5% healing skills effects & +10% pots heal effects

    Sandburst Blast (Sage wins +7)
    • +2 meter aoe (to 10 meters, from 8 meters)
    ○ 20% chance to decrease Earth Resists 20% for 8 seconds

    Soul of Silence (Demon wins +5)
    • Silence effect increased to 5 seconds, from 3 seconds
    ○ Chance of Silence +20% (1.2x) chance from initial chance

    Disturb Soul (Is a Draw)
    • +3 seconds duration of effect to 15 seconds (from 12 seconds)
    ○ 100% channeling time increase (from 80% increase)

    Soulburn (Demon wins +6)
    • +2 seconds duration of effect to 10 seconds (from 8 seconds) = 10 sec effect, 20 sec before can cast again
    ○ -5 seconds till cooldown = 8 sec effect, 17 sec before can cast again

    Tide Spirit (Demon wins +7)
    • +3 seconds decreased channeling effect (to 9 seconds from 6)
    ○ +20% chance to crit for 15 seconds

    Red Tide (Demon wins +8)
    • 50% chance to cost only 1 spark (-1 from 2 sparks)
    ○ +20% increased bleed damage to 1.2x Soulforce (from 1x Soulforce)

    Earth Vector (Demon wins +9)
    • 50% chance to cost 0 spark (-1 from 1 spark)
    ○ +2 meter aoe (to 8 meters, from 6 meters)

    Psychic Will (Sage wins +8)
    • +2 second immune to physical damage duration (to 10 seconds from 8)
    ○ 20% chance to cost 0 spark (-1 from 1 spark)

    Soul of Retalliation (Demon wins +10) who cares about silly heal?
    • Heals caster 15% Max Hitpoints
    ○ Reflects 60% Soulforce as damage (from 50% Soulforce)

    Aqua Spirit (Is a Draw)
    • +5% increase of water spells damage (+25% from +20%)
    ○ +1% to crit rate

    Earthen Spirit (Is a Draw)
    • +5% increase of earth spells damage (+25% from +20%)
    ○ +1% crit rate

    b:surrender •Sage at +8
    b:victory ○Demon at +10 (Demon wins by +2)
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Tide_Surfer - Archosaur
    Tide_Surfer - Archosaur Posts: 1,261 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Apostasy - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Sage Spells/Skills
    Demon Spells/Skills

    b:surrender Sage at +8
    b:victory Demon at +10 (Demon wins by +2)

    This is all your personal opinion, not the finalized results on whether sage or demon is better b:chuckle I chose sage on my psy after carefully going through each sage/demon skill and sage came out on top for me b:cute
    Each to their own bro b:laugh
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Tide_Surfer: "I feel SPESHALL *says like a lil kid*"
    Veneir: "Seashell? :3"
    Tide_Surfer: "Yes Veny, yes. A speshall seashell."
  • Apostasy - Raging Tide
    Apostasy - Raging Tide Posts: 1,197 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Tide_Surfer - Archosaur wrote: »
    This is all your personal opinion, I chose sage on my psy. Each to their own bro b:laugh

    EXACTLY b:sin

    683 more to go b:surrender b:avoid
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • TheDendra - Harshlands
    TheDendra - Harshlands Posts: 222 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    o.o wth forum gone crazy, bugs with posting ftw
  • TheDendra - Harshlands
    TheDendra - Harshlands Posts: 222 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Fixed:

    Aqua Impact (Slight win for demon - chance of reducing chi is more significant than measly 10% extra reduction)

    Spirit Blast (Demon wins)


    Black Voodoo (Sage wins - +3att is worth more than +3def, hence you don't see +2dot shards yet you have josd)


    White Voodoo (Sage wins but arguable for Demon since white voodoo playstyle relies on channeling more)


    Soul of Vengeance (Sage wins as SUPPORT) (Demon wins as PVP)


    Torrent/Sandtrap (Sage better for extra damage to add more pressure, Demon isn't too shabby depending on personal preference)


    Bubble of Life (Sage easily - you gotta be an idiot to argue demon is even remotely as useful, expel+bubble combo to name one of many perks to sage

    Landslide (Is a Draw, depends on playstyle)


    Aqua Cannon (Demon wins)


    Diminished Vigor (Sage wins)


    Soul of Stunning (Sage wins with endgame gear)


    Glacial Shards (Sage wins easily - Demon 75% still forces you to plan ahead if it fails to freeze just like Sage has to, whereas Sage gets those significant 2extra seconds)


    Empowered Vigor (Sage wins)


    Sandburst Blast (Demon wins - our only debuff)


    Soul of Silence (Sage wins endgame, demon arguable for some ppl but in general Sage - 33% vs 41% with the fact your seal lasts longer)


    Disturb Soul (Is a Draw)


    Soulburn (Sage wins easily - 2more seconds is huge)


    Tide Spirit (Demon wins)


    Red Tide (Sage wins, high spark efficiency - only time Demon wins is if you got chi hoe or don't need to use pot cd for something else, hence Sage are so great cuz of being super chi efficient)


    Earth Vector (Sage wins easily, one of better skills sage gets)


    Psychic Will (Sage wins)


    Soul of Retalliation (Demon slightly wins because Sage is pretty neat in many tricky situations,especially with the new classes and skills - it depends whether you use it as defensive or offensive move primarily)
  • Kerona - Sanctuary
    Kerona - Sanctuary Posts: 1,771 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Shet, don't make me write more than "Ew, Demon Psy".

    copypaste from last time I had energy to write about this...:
    Sage is more useful in squads, TW, etc
    I prefer sage as I don't mind supporting others and the survival benefits are pretty big. In 1v1 PvP though, Sage lacks ways to amplify their damage so there are certain targets they would find it difficult to kill.

    Demon is more for "haha I crit a lot" PvP and single target boss DD.
    Demon is more a gambling culti. They can luck out and hit it big and get a short chain of mostly crits, or lose the gamble and waste chi, which is harder for them to come by.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • ignimen
    ignimen Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Aqua Impact (Slight win for demon - chance of reducing chi is more significant than measly 10% extra reduction)
    Agreed.

    Spirit Blast (Demon wins)
    Really ? An additional +361 fixed damage is hardly an improvement (+13% of the already existing fixed damage), when +30 chi is quite significant for one of our most used skill and allows the Sage Psychic to build chi even faster.

    Black Voodoo (Sage wins - +3att is worth more than +3def, hence you don't see +2dot shards yet you have josd)
    Agreed.

    White Voodoo (Sage wins but arguable for Demon since white voodoo playstyle relies on channeling more)
    When a psychic goes for a kill and wants some chaneling, she uses Tide Spirit, not the useless chan-reduction provided by Black Voodoo.

    Soul of Vengeance (Sage wins as SUPPORT) (Demon wins as PVP)
    Afaik, no psychic ever killed with Soul of Vengeance anyone she could not kill otherwise. The damage provided by SoV is ridiculously low in PvP.

    Torrent/Sandtrap (Sage better for extra damage to add more pressure, Demon isn't too shabby depending on personal preference)
    Agreed.

    Bubble of Life (Sage easily - you gotta be an idiot to argue demon is even remotely as useful, expel+bubble combo to name one of many perks to sage
    Agreed !! This skill is top on the "why-choose-sage" Psychic list.

    Landslide (Is a Draw, depends on playstyle)
    Agreed. Demon would win if, as some people said, the Demon was not so easy to avoid or render useless.

    Aqua Cannon (Demon wins)
    Arguable. A fixed amount of damage over time does not hurt much (that's why before Sirens of War, Psychic could claim to have the best DoTs, being weapon attack-based), whereas a chance to immobilize can come in handy.

    Diminished Vigor (Sage wins).
    Agreed.

    Soul of Stunning (Sage wins with endgame gear)
    Agreed.

    Glacial Shards (Sage wins easily - Demon 75% still forces you to plan ahead if it fails to freeze just like Sage has to, whereas Sage gets those significant 2extra seconds)
    Arguable, but you have a point : if you have to plan ahead no matter what, then better the extra 2s. Yet sometimes you cannot plan ahead because you have made Glacial Shards your last opportunity -for exemple, when aiming at a running target and no spark left for Vector, so 75% is still better.

    Empowered Vigor (Sage wins)
    Agreed.

    Sandburst Blast (Demon wins - our only debuff)
    Agreed, yet I do love the extended effect area for a better chance to pop out some sneaking sin.

    Soul of Silence (Sage wins endgame, demon arguable for some ppl but in general Sage - 33% vs 41% with the fact your seal lasts longer)
    Agreed. Anyway, when the proc rate is above 30% -which does not only mean a good proc rate but also excellent gears to survive the attacks-, no one can hope to kill you without some way to prevent the seal, wich renders both Sage and Demon inefficient.

    Disturb Soul (Is a Draw)
    Agreed.

    Soulburn (Sage wins easily - 2more seconds is huge)
    Agreed.

    Tide Spirit (Demon wins)
    Agreed, yet Sage is still very usefull.

    Red Tide (Sage wins, high spark efficiency - only time Demon wins is if you got chi hoe or don't need to use pot cd for something else, hence Sage are so great cuz of being super chi efficient)
    Agreed -but this is one skill not very usefull anyway.

    Earth Vector (Sage wins easily, one of better skills sage gets)
    Agreed, but I think the extended area of effect is still a good point for Demon.

    Psychic Will (Sage wins)
    Agreed.

    Soul of Retalliation (Demon slightly wins because Sage is pretty neat in many tricky situations,especially with the new classes and skills - it depends whether you use it as defensive or offensive move primarily)
    You are right, it depends on the use. Yet, used in offense, I find that this skill is better at reflecting negative effects than at reflecting damages, and in that way Sage = Demon. I used to think the Sage add-on would be useless, but now I could not go without my little instant self-heal.

    As many people said, this is only my opinion. But if we play the math game (1 point per draw, 2 points for a winner), then for me it's 33-13 for Sage. Yet it's all a matter of gameplay ; I think it is possible for a Demon Psychic to use the best of her skills and be a killing machine. As a Sage Spychic myself, I mostly play defensively until I have a window of opportunity.
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