Will They Ever Change The Debuff Immunity Sins Have?

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  • ogunernile
    ogunernile Posts: 99 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    SinfuINature - Harshlands wrote: »
    stop QQing about sins and QQ about barbs with full R9+12 and 40K+ hp... yea ur not going to kill them one on one... b:pleased

    lol and you see nothing wrong with that? that a person investing equal time/money and determination has no chance unless the pick the same class?

    for that why not have everyone be a clone. Ah i get it now. KK everyone my bad, let's all make sins and barbs....then make a cleric or mystic on a slave account and we dont even need to talk to each other anymore. we can just do everything by ourselves....YaaaaaaaY! GO MEAT!
  • kawaiijen
    kawaiijen Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    SinfuINature - Harshlands wrote: »
    stop QQing about sins and QQ about barbs with full R9+12 and 40K+ hp... yea ur not going to kill them one on one... b:pleased

    /purge,BV,STA,Spark,ZTP,3 skill metal combo. Dead barb <3 b:chuckle
    (Doesn't always work but if you crit the 3 metals it should kill most barbs)
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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    KawaiiJen wrote: »
    /purge,BV,STA,Spark,ZTP,3 skill metal combo. Dead barb <3 b:chuckle
    (Doesn't always work but if you crit the 3 metals it should kill most barbs)

    That would work only if the barb is AFK.

    Between invoke, solid shield, apothecary, and cornered beast it is impossible for an archer to solo kill a 40k HP barb before their charm ticks. In tiger mode a barb can run at like 10m/s and can kite out of archer range in a couple seconds.

    If the archer is constantly kiting and pressuring the barb to use their resources defensively you get a stalemate, else the barb eventually gets a lucky zerk crit arma. I have been in fights that last for 30 minutes before both of us agreeing it was a futile waste of time and charm. The best geared and much more PK active archers on my server will tell you the same experience.
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  • U_Sasuke - Sanctuary
    U_Sasuke - Sanctuary Posts: 643 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    KawaiiJen wrote: »
    /purge,BV,STA,Spark,ZTP,3 skill metal combo. Dead barb <3 b:chuckle
    (Doesn't always work but if you crit the 3 metals it should kill most barbs)

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  • Sidwinder - Heavens Tear
    Sidwinder - Heavens Tear Posts: 353 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    I don't pvp so I really don't care as much but Sin's being almost immune to all CC is a bit much considering everything they have in their arsenal.
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  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    KawaiiJen wrote: »
    /purge,BV,STA,Spark,ZTP,3 skill metal combo. Dead barb <3 b:chuckle
    (Doesn't always work but if you crit the 3 metals it should kill most barbs)

    Is that before or after you get a jade from your next pack?
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    That would work only if the barb is AFK.

    Between invoke, solid shield, apothecary, and cornered beast it is impossible for an archer to solo kill a 40k HP barb before their charm ticks. In tiger mode a barb can run at like 10m/s and can kite out of archer range in a couple seconds.

    I highly doubt thats even possible on an afk barb. assuming purge is first hit... followed by vow and sharp... these 3 shots by itself should not be able to tick the 40k barb's charm. therefore the first metal attack would need to tick charm. and now you are left with 2 metal attacks to deal 30k+ dmg.
    ogunernile wrote: »
    unless he can see you....and what about the other classes that don't have that option? you seem adamant about refusing to take in all accounts. do you have a sin?

    when is the last time you a same level sin was able to see a same level archer in stealth? who cares about the other class... and yes i do have a sin.
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  • SinfuINature - Harshlands
    SinfuINature - Harshlands Posts: 533 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    lets be honest here... what is the main QQ about sins?

    1. stealth

    2. high aps/can solo stuff fast

    3. almost infinite amount of chi

    4. focused mind/maze step

    for once i would love to hear someone say QQ i hate how i can 1 shot a sin... b:chuckle

    with aps comes a price of being killed easy...

    i have a QQ about the dragon glitch and how most ppl are lvl 103-105 and didnt earn anything...
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    SinfuINature - Harshlands wrote: »
    for once i would love to hear someone say QQ i hate how i can 1 shot a sin... b:chuckle
    That would be idiotic when sins have a skill that specifically prevents them from being 1 shot.
    This claim that sins are squishy is ridiculous when they have the best defensive skills in the game. That really should be obvious when you consider how easily sins can solo Harpy.
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  • SinfuINature - Harshlands
    SinfuINature - Harshlands Posts: 533 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    That would be idiotic when sins have a skill that specifically prevents them from being 1 shot.
    This claim that sins are squishy is ridiculous when they have the best defensive skills in the game. That really should be obvious when you consider how easily sins can solo Harpy.

    u hate sins dont you... b:surrender but there are classes at are better end game/pvp/tw than a sin... sins are hands down the OP class for pve in general...
  • _Ghoul_ - Lost City
    _Ghoul_ - Lost City Posts: 973 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    SinfuINature - Harshlands wrote: »
    u hate sins dont you... b:surrender but there are classes at are better end game/pvp/tw than a sin... sins are hands down the OP class for pve in general...


    i cant take it i cant for any reason think a sin should be king in pve and king in 1vs1 pk

    **** the tw not everyoen does it.

    not all have the cash or time for it but pvp is anytime same as pve and NO class should be king as bouth.

    group pvp what group pvp all it come down to is who have most friends not classes.

    2008 sure 2012 nope

    sin is LA so ya we all know it why they need tidal they alredy have stealth best damage wise dps wise.

    so sin should have best deffence in game and best aps damage wise damn can someoen give me same sht he is drinking cos he sure is drunk.

    LA archer is weak weak at range 50% damage sin have NON bouth LA now where is ur argument.

    sin is melee but he dont run up to you he will coem from stealth so 1st hit is HIS and 99% he will kick ***.
  • SinfuINature - Harshlands
    SinfuINature - Harshlands Posts: 533 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    b:chuckle its funny to watch ppl get all freaked out over a game...

    and im drinking water b:cool

    but really sins are not OP
  • U_Sasuke - Sanctuary
    U_Sasuke - Sanctuary Posts: 643 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    SinfuINature - Harshlands wrote: »
    b:chuckle its funny to watch ppl get all freaked out over a game...

    and im drinking water b:cool

    but really sins are not OP

    maybe you are not using sin the right way mister....didn't i said already in other thread harshland ppl are garbage lol! see what i mean.
  • Euthymius - Heavens Tear
    Euthymius - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,162 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    SinfuINature - Harshlands wrote: »
    but really sins are not OP

    What sort of world are you living in?
    b:laugh
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  • SinfuINature - Harshlands
    SinfuINature - Harshlands Posts: 533 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    U_Sasuke - Sanctuary wrote: »
    maybe you are not using sin the right way mister....didn't i said already in other thread harshland ppl are garbage lol! see what i mean.

    maybe... maybe not... b:chuckle b:quiet

    anyways sins are not OP....
  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    SinfuINature - Harshlands wrote: »
    maybe... maybe not... b:chuckle b:quiet

    anyways sins are not OP....

    Only in the hands of a complete idiot, are sins not OP.
  • SinfuINature - Harshlands
    SinfuINature - Harshlands Posts: 533 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    truekossy wrote: »
    Only in the hands of a complete idiot, are sins not OP.

    ok ok... ill stop messing around... b/c the bears game is on and im not gonna troll this post anymore... i have a 5aps sin and yes they are OP there i said it... sins are still OP...they can solo a lot of things and they put out a hella lot of DD... the stealth is nice however... all those lvl 105 sins running around who dragoned their way to the top kinda pisses me off... anyways i dont pvp that much but when i do it is easy and TW is not fun for me lol b:chuckle
  • _Skai_ - Raging Tide
    _Skai_ - Raging Tide Posts: 3,407 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    All I can say is, if you know how to play your class, sins are easy.
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  • _Ghoul_ - Lost City
    _Ghoul_ - Lost City Posts: 973 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    SinfuINature - Harshlands wrote: »
    ok ok... ill stop messing around... b/c the bears game is on and im not gonna troll this post anymore... i have a 5aps sin and yes they are OP there i said it... sins are still OP...they can solo a lot of things and they put out a hella lot of DD... the stealth is nice however... all those lvl 105 sins running around who dragoned their way to the top kinda pisses me off... anyways i dont pvp that much but when i do it is easy and TW is not fun for me lol b:chuckle


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  • _Ghoul_ - Lost City
    _Ghoul_ - Lost City Posts: 973 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    _Skai_ - Raging Tide wrote: »
    All I can say is, if you know how to play your class, sins are easy.


    tell me how ep can have easy with sin.
    veno to for that matter.

    i so wana hear how easy it is fr just these two classes to pk sins who stealth stun seal teleport 5aps immune have tidal and deaden nerv always.
  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    _Skai_ - Raging Tide wrote: »
    All I can say is, if you know how to play your class, sins are easy.

    99% of sins or the rare 1% that are actually good? Because I eat sins easy on all my characters, my own sin included... but on the INSANELY RARE occasion I run into one that's actually good, unless I'm lucky or on my sin it's a draw at best. This is in open PK, of course
    In mass PvP or TW sins are kinda nonfactor.
  • ogunernile
    ogunernile Posts: 99 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    SinfuINature - Harshlands wrote: »
    u hate sins dont you... b:surrender but there are classes at are better end game/pvp/tw than a sin... sins are hands down the OP class for pve in general...

    lol barb [now because of morai] in full r9+12, or psy with their broken skill set....other than that what else?
  • ogunernile
    ogunernile Posts: 99 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    _Skai_ - Raging Tide wrote: »
    All I can say is, if you know how to play your class, sins are easy.

    you are joking right? lol
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    Salari - Raging Tide Posts: 2,102 Arc User
    edited October 2012
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  • Dragoneast - Sanctuary
    Dragoneast - Sanctuary Posts: 311 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Look, I don't like everything in pwi too... barbs cant get hair fashion, meh, 5 aps and such, That's the game...don't rage at players for using the system to be come so strong, rage at pwi for not capping the max aps....
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  • kawaiijen
    kawaiijen Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Dragoneast - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Look, I don't like everything in pwi too... barbs cant get hair fashion, meh, 5 aps and such, That's the game...don't rage at players for using the system to be come so strong, rage at pwi for not capping the max aps....

    There's nothing wrong with APS standalone.

    It's the unbalanced damage output that comes from APS + spark. If they were to cut the damage done in a curve as you increase in APS or add a 30 second cooldown to spark it would help balance, and for the finishing touch nerf down the CC skills sins have. Let them have the 50% and 66% tidal. Remove Occult Ice from genie skills and revamp the sin skills to not be so stacked for them. Would people complain because their toon became balanced? Yes tons would. Would it make sins basically become Farm only toons? Yes, though they pretty much are anyways as it is.

    I wonder what how this game would be if instead of the New tideborns that were made if we got the P2P Tideborns.... Would APS be such a craze? Sure a few people were getting into it, but I doubt it would be the norm that it is today. Would PvP be so dead? Doubt it.

    @Skai If you have the HP and defense and know how to play your class sure sins are pretty easy, but the Arcanes besides wizzie are pretty much SoL because of the amount of chi and CC sins have at their disposal. Demon's can have up to like... 15 seconds of pure dominance of their target with their skills + occult. Most arcane's cant even last more then 6 because of the low pdef low hp and lack of decent or any anti-immunity skills. (Veno is the only exception for immunities)
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  • LaYsDiL - Harshlands
    LaYsDiL - Harshlands Posts: 124 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    That would work only if the barb is AFK.

    Between invoke, solid shield, apothecary, and cornered beast it is impossible for an archer to solo kill a 40k HP barb before their charm ticks. In tiger mode a barb can run at like 10m/s and can kite out of archer range in a couple seconds.

    If the archer is constantly kiting and pressuring the barb to use their resources defensively you get a stalemate, else the barb eventually gets a lucky zerk crit arma. I have been in fights that last for 30 minutes before both of us agreeing it was a futile waste of time and charm. The best geared and much more PK active archers on my server will tell you the same experience.

    Lol a 40k hp barb..that would be full r9+12 with mostly vit stones the thing is thats all we got we dont have good controling skills if i were to nerf out hp then what...i rember not long agao ppl saying how barbs have it hard alot of barbs have to go aps cause noone takes them in instances..and ANYONE can kite a barb since we cant stun u..mabye get a lucky occtand ALOT of ppl that are r9+12 arnt killable atleast varbs have to work for there win we dont one shot unless arma but that halfs pur health...i think barbs are ballanced i think we coulf use a reailable stun...
  • Sjuggs - Lost City
    Sjuggs - Lost City Posts: 617 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Please dont mess up and QQ about APS, Blademasters are always the ones that get the most ***** up and they already are underpowered or just a support class nowadays (aoe stun, dragons), only problem are sins skills effects like giving free chi instead of using it and cooldowns b:scorn
  • kawaiijen
    kawaiijen Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    That would work only if the barb is AFK.

    Between invoke, solid shield, apothecary, and cornered beast it is impossible for an archer to solo kill a 40k HP barb before their charm ticks. In tiger mode a barb can run at like 10m/s and can kite out of archer range in a couple seconds.

    If the archer is constantly kiting and pressuring the barb to use their resources defensively you get a stalemate, else the barb eventually gets a lucky zerk crit arma. I have been in fights that last for 30 minutes before both of us agreeing it was a futile waste of time and charm. The best geared and much more PK active archers on my server will tell you the same experience.
    I agree it's not a realistic option between all of the skills the barb has to work with. But it DOES happen sometimes. You can see in that video Sasuke posted MISTAKES can happen.

    The point was you could do it, not that it's going to work all the time and rely on it.
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Is that before or after you get a jade from your next pack?



    I highly doubt thats even possible on an afk barb. assuming purge is first hit... followed by vow and sharp... these 3 shots by itself should not be able to tick the 40k barb's charm. therefore the first metal attack would need to tick charm. and now you are left with 2 metal attacks to deal 30k+ dmg.



    when is the last time you a same level sin was able to see a same level archer in stealth? who cares about the other class... and yes i do have a sin.

    I hit BiB with a 24k crit Lightning strike when he was unbuffed when we were bored at south arch bsing about stuff using that combo. So hitting 30k+ damage with 2 metal skills isn't impossible. I was unbuffed (Though I don't remember if he gave me titans or not when I did it)

    Edit : Btw using a +12 R9 Barb in tiger form at 40k hp

    http://www.pwcalc.com/37c37057ff02548f
    Once purged and Sage STA his HP is only a whopping 25.5k in tiger form. Not that much hp tbh(Calc doesn't apply a 20% reduction just 16% so add another 4% loss to that.)
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  • Synster_Gate - Heavens Tear
    Synster_Gate - Heavens Tear Posts: 32 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Jen what do u mean by P2P Tideborn.??
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    augustfinknottle Posts: 276 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Synster_Gate - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Jen what do u mean by P2P Tideborn.??

    Pay to play. Tideborns were made differently in the pay to play chinese version.

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