Dealing with sins

G_tar_God - Dreamweaver

I agree, when it come to fighting sins, its all about ur genie and reaction time.

Badge of Courage is a good skill, but its unreliable, and if u hav a genie that has mayb 100dex, means ur genies gone for a little while cos i doubt ud hav that high of magic/vit. Also the fact that there's that lag that if ur tryin to run away, sins will still be hitting u for 1-2secs b4 ur out of melee range(assumin this isnt the openin move and ur leaps are on CD).

Faith is good.....but 160 energy? ull b lucky to get a chance to use that again, or ur a very skilled archer against sins and know how to last that long, which there is quite a few archers out there like that

Expel is the best option, it buys time for u to think and adjust accordingly to the situation. But the only way to use expel well, or even hav high chances of beatin any type of sin, is by knowing sin skills, each of their buffs, Cooldowns and diff between demon/sage.

I have 2 tips, one of which really only apply to pretty well geared archers goin up against +10-12 G13-16 sins. If ur HP isnt goin down too fast, i find waiting to use expel untill ur HP charm is just about to tick or if ur charm has already ticked, waiting till ur HP is really low. The longer you delay using expel, the higher ur chance of gettin away, as condensed thorn doesnt last too long, most sins aren't the best at chaining stuns, ur expel may even last into the 2nd stun and finally ur charm has a higher chance of being bak off Cooldown.

The 2nd tip is my favourite and I use it alot. Some ppl dont realise, but if you're not stunned and still in ur expel seal or any seal for that matter, u can still use ur Apo. So as soon as i get that opening where my expel is on and the sins stun has run out, i hit my Vacuity or Shadow binder pot. Then chain Wings of Grace or Elven for a longer anti stun, by which with my genie recov rate n some kiting, ill have expel bak and ready to use. Also, most archers should get to the point where they can stay alive long enough to see a sins Tidal protection wear off, by which time stun and destroy becomes easy xD

....Ofcourse one thing archers hav to realise........unless u hav heavily maxed out gear or a nice set of buffs.....every sin can stun lock u and kill u. Even if u use badge of courage, faith or expel, if ur too slow on ur next anti stun, all a sin has to do is telestun or use Occult Ice. Simple as that, 80-90% of archers will die to that stun lock. If a sin needs telestun to kill ya, best thing to do is get right bak up, cos theres a 3min CD on that skill xD

Geshwur - Raging Tide

I see a lot of talk about expelling yourself, what about expelling the sin and pounding them with metal damage?

Decus - Dreamweaver

Geshwur - Raging Tide wrote: »

I see a lot of talk about expelling yourself, what about expelling the sin and pounding them with metal damage?

The neutral buff filter usually prevents that from being a viable option.

truekossy

Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »

The neutral buff filter usually prevents that from being a viable option.

You'd think so, yet so many people don't actually use it.

Point stands against the rare sin with a brain, though

Decus - Dreamweaver

truekossy wrote: »

You'd think so, yet so many people don't actually use it.

Point stands against the rare sin with a brain, though

I've missed you, where have you been my dear Kossy? b:cute

Geshwur - Raging Tide

truekossy wrote: »

You'd think so, yet so many people don't actually use it.

Point stands against the rare sin with a brain, though

This is very true of my server, being pve many people choose not to filter buffs due to the fact that more than not when pking any buffs you get come from clerics standing around outside west. Not enough piers normally to form a squad and still have people to fight.


Also, if they ARE filtering buffs would that not mean the expel would be a self cast and at least MIGHT save my own life?

truekossy

Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I've missed you, where have you been my dear Kossy? b:cute

Had some stuff that was keeping me busy offline. Curse that rl thing always getting in the way of the quest for free +1s! b:surrender

Seems the forum destabilized without my stoneface. Spambots al over, new mods, etc. Scary.

Roslol - Harshlands

G_tar_God - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Expel is the best option, it buys time for u to think and adjust accordingly to the situation. But the only way to use expel well, or even hav high chances of beatin any type of sin, is by knowing sin skills, each of their buffs, Cooldowns and diff between demon/sage.

Expels just delay you getting killed by another 6-10 seconds.

I'd rather use BoC on a 60 dex genie than expel on any genie. At least I know with BoC if it works I have a good chance of killing them whereas with expel it's 'I can kill them if the sin is stupid enough not to CT over expel'.

Ruvil - Sanctuary

Roslol - Harshlands wrote: »

Expels just delay you getting killed by another 6-10 seconds.

I'd rather use BoC on a 60 dex genie than expel on any genie. At least I know with BoC if it works I have a good chance of killing them whereas with expel it's 'I can kill them if the sin is stupid enough not to CT over expel'.

if ur a wiz or psy boc is more potent since it gives you the ability to reverse the fight by straight out killing your opponent.

after ur boc (if it works) vs a sin (as archer) ur already at melee range, lightning is fairly effective vs a sin but they can just stun again if u choose to wait there. or you can create distance and go for the ULTIMATE KILLING COMBO of STUN ARROW --> STORMRAGE...

you dont have any reliable method of ending fight as archer.

truekossy

Ruvil - Sanctuary wrote: »

if ur a wiz or psy boc is more potent since it gives you the ability to reverse the fight by straight out killing your opponent.

after ur boc (if it works) vs a sin (as archer) ur already at melee range, lightning is fairly effective vs a sin but they can just stun again if u choose to wait there. or you can create distance and go for the ULTIMATE KILLING COMBO of STUN ARROW --> STORMRAGE...

you dont have any reliable method of ending fight as archer.

Trying to imply forcing a sin to feel labour pains wouldn't end a fight instantly?

Ruvil - Sanctuary

truekossy wrote: »

Trying to imply forcing a sin to feel labour pains wouldn't end a fight instantly?

mayb if ur ugly.

but every1 wants to have my babies anyways b:cute

truekossy

Ruvil - Sanctuary wrote: »

mayb if ur ugly.

but every1 wants to have my babies anyways b:cute

Too many people want mine... but I don't let them have any.

Cathulion - Dreamweaver

My tactic for PVP/Dueling is stalking the prey. I stealth then wait to see what they do, wether they put up a shield, use a AOE to try and force me out of stealth while flying in the air, or even run around, and jump to avoid pin point stun lock. When their best protection skills are down I headhunt stun them, Enrage(Genie), aps them, Shadow Teleport for further stun, aps more, and win.

_blood_rain - Sanctuary

truekossy wrote: »

Trying to imply forcing a sin to feel labour pains wouldn't end a fight instantly?

LMAO, welcome back Kossy

Decus - Dreamweaver

truekossy wrote: »

Too many people want mine... but I don't let them have any.

b:sad

Roslol - Harshlands

Ruvil - Sanctuary wrote: »

after ur boc (if it works) vs a sin (as archer) ur already at melee range, lightning is fairly effective vs a sin but they can just stun again if u choose to wait there. or you can create distance and go for the ULTIMATE KILLING COMBO of STUN ARROW --> STORMRAGE...

you dont have any reliable method of ending fight as archer.

Expelling yourself will only end the fight when you finally die.

A chance of getting in anti stun and attacks is better than sitting there sealed and tanking while you're immune.

Ruvil - Sanctuary

I dont like expel either which is why I pick neither... b:thanks

Quilue - Sanctuary

I don't even know if you can call lightning fairly effective. It can only be as effective as lightning on an archer. Sanct probably has less of the really well geared sins than other servers, most are in Nirvana, R8, TT99, and stuff, and they take pretty high damage from full R9s.

On the flip side most archers who PK are full R9...some of them full JoSD. Do we even have full JoSD sins? Kyougu?

truekossy

Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »

b:sad

Silly Decus. Use of your brain disqualifies you from being counted as a people... which is a pre-requisite to qualify for having my babies. b:cute

_blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »

LMAO, welcome back Kossy

Thanks! It's good to be back. b:thanks

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear

There is really no reliable strategy 1v1 sins. If there must be a fight, pray bramble kills (in general the average archer is going to out defense gear the average sin) them before either one decides to stealth away.

AshenSkies - Heavens Tear

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

There is really no reliable strategy 1v1 sins. If there must be a fight, pray bramble kills (in general the average archer is going to out defense gear the average sin) them before either one decides to stealth away.

This is what happens to me in TW all the time.

A sin will pop out, attack me and die to bramble because their weapons are awesome but their defense absolutely sucks. Actually that's most of the sins on HT, good weapons(+10 or more) and +3 ornaments and armor. It's shocking.

Sint - Harshlands

Double spark from stealth + Occult.Anything above barrier nirv +8 will force me to block (no jade, fully +10, full r9). Proceed to rds and shadow escape if you block.

Your turn. There's not a single skill that would have worked every time and doesn't burn your genie, so your genie is burnt, and you're up against a sin with his genie mostly full, and full sparks. Best move would likely be to antistun, (archer) and gtfo asap, just to gain time for your genie regen. IF the sin has half a brain, he'll simply double spark, telestun, and you're ****ed.

deadwieght

i have nearly 16k evasion on my archer so i have a different approach.

laugh at them missing
laugh some more
hit them with blinding sand
continue laughing
stunning blow
leap
aim low
kill them or just walk away (still laughing)

ma1an

what if 4 aps r9+12 full dot sins keep stealth stun ig aps and if you are not died stealth back when ig wears off?!
then repop when they have cd of ig escape refreshed and still ig aps stealth back?

how do you handle this?!

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear

ma1an wrote: »

what if 4 aps r9+12 full dot sins keep stealth stun ig aps and if you are not died stealth back when ig wears off?!
then repop when they have cd of ig escape refreshed and still ig aps stealth back?

how do you handle this?!

You... would just die.
I would take hits with bramble or just immune, stealth, and leap away.

Quilue - Sanctuary

ma1an wrote: »

what if 4 aps r9+12 full dot sins keep stealth stun ig aps and if you are not died stealth back when ig wears off?!
then repop when they have cd of ig escape refreshed and still ig aps stealth back?

how do you handle this?!

If you are surviving a sin using IG and stun from stealth reliably then that means said 4aps R9+12 full dot sin sucks balls. You should then use a rev pot and try to kill him.