Fist/Axe BM endgame gear?

XShui - Lost City

My BM is lv 89 now and this is the gear I got;
http://pwcalc.com/e545ee4b93ce1f74

As Axes im using Giant Ape Axes +1 (TT80)


Im not sure what gear I should go for 9x now nor for endgame.
BMs ingame told me it's pointless to get rank gear unless I want r9.
And BMs don't need rank for 5 aps.

Im demon and I'd like to be a 5 aps BM ofc.
I planned to PvE and PvP.


*sigh* I think you can move this to blademaster thread.

TheFirst - Lothranis

this is my actual 5aps bm, not sure about all the points and shards/refines but it's something like that and probably the quickest way to be 5aps
http://pwcalc.com/fdbe4f0bd8834591

Nenor - Dreamweaver

This works well for my bm (strictly pve btw) you may want more mag def if your pvping.
http://pwcalc.com/dce38689ba44ae54

Eucleia - Dreamweaver

My current setup, axes are Calloused Lionheart Hatchets (+5)


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b:bye

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

Bumping because of spam.

Jaabg - Sanctuary

http://pwcalc.com/256a8c41d80c9287

the above is a good endgame build. But i would recommend you to post in the bm forums. The bms there will give you far better advice on weapon choices, armour choices, onrament and rings, different combination of gears, costs, effectiveness, shards.

Over here, can't really discuss stuff, because one person's opinion is no fun.

Btw, if that is your genie, ditch it, and start a new one. As you lvl from 89~100, the genie will lvl fast with you.

XShui - Lost City

Jaabg - Sanctuary wrote: »

http://pwcalc.com/256a8c41d80c9287

the above is a good endgame build. But i would recommend you to post in the bm forums. The bms there will give you far better advice on weapon choices, armour choices, onrament and rings, different combination of gears, costs, effectiveness, shards.

Over here, can't really discuss stuff, because one person's opinion is no fun.

Btw, if that is your genie, ditch it, and start a new one. As you lvl from 89~100, the genie will lvl fast with you.

I never really cared about lucky points. I don't need that much slots anyway and I need my coin for other stuff than a better genie now...

Jaabg - Sanctuary

Only takes 3 mirages to make a new genie. The genie will lvl as you get exp from quests, bh, fcc. So no need to worry about that. Don't buy from other players, just start your own. Worst case it is not as good as present one, only lost 3 mirages.

A better genie will come in handy for you at endgame, but no need to worry about it for now.

XShui - Lost City

Jaabg - Sanctuary wrote: »

Only takes 3 mirages to make a new genie. The genie will lvl as you get exp from quests, bh, fcc. So no need to worry about that. Don't buy from other players, just start your own. Worst case it is not as good as present one, only lost 3 mirages.

A better genie will come in handy for you at endgame, but no need to worry about it for now.

3 mirrages? o: I didn't knew about that. The only genie skills Im currently really using are cloud eruption and tangling mire.

XShui - Lost City

This is my gear at level 96 now;
http://pwcalc.com/f953af1e335a0c9e
+ TT90 Star Axes +2
+ TT90 Devil Blade +2

What is cheaper to get first at level 99? Ashura Necklace + Ashura Belt or Lionheart Vambraces + Lionheart Greaves ?

Jaabg - Sanctuary

My bm is pve, and very cheap in terms of using pots, never charmed (except tw). Basically a low cost guy.

I farmed this for my bm, because i always disliked the magic attack on me. I would always err towards higher mdef than pdef.

http://pwcalc.com/9a1b25ba9753bd0d

Personally i found, if you have 1~2 friends, you can farm the tt99 gold mat for arms yourself by opening 3-2 in squad mode, medium. Takes no subs, runs are fast, chance to get gold is always iffy, especially if only killing two bosses. We did it that way, because we couldn't kill other bosses. We made 5 tt 99 arms in 3 weeks of 2x.

The above armour can easily be farmed by you if you tank things, have a decent squad of lvl 70~90 players. The tt90 gold helm, gold mat will be an issue, that boss is mean.

After getting the above, move to this

http://pwcalc.com/247ca23e10ba8806 (we sold the tt99 arms to get money for other gold mats that we needed, so worked out for us)

You need 2 of each

Boots gold mat = 10.5m chip price = 21m

Arm gold mat = 5.5m chip price = 11m

Pants gold mat = 9m chip price = 18m

Belt gold mat = 10.44m chip price = 20.88m

Chest gold mat = 18m chip price = 36m

Naturally you need a bucket load of chips. A few thousand.

All those mats, if bought from players can be bought 500k~1.5m cheaper than chip price. The chest gold mat goes as low as 12m~14m

Minister stones are expensive, but most of the other green mats are cheap, some even in the 10k range.

The reason why i complete the shoes first, you get -0.05 extra int, because of the arms i had.

Since my bm got most of the gear, now all my gear is lunar based for alts, simply because if i want to sell it, i can. I have spent about a billion coins on bm, and most of it is bound. Not going to make the same mistake on my alts.

There are other armour routes people take, but i would not recommend LA ornaments, simply because i lean towards more mdef at all times. We need it in pve, and very useful in tw, because it will be those squishy wizzy, psy that we ridicule and not take to caster, that will hit us for 20~40k like it's nothing.

XShui - Lost City

What about filling up the whole set with mag def shards?

Quilue - Sanctuary

That's 1b? Are you sure you have the right links?

Anyways, if you're willing to reroll R8 recast to get -int on chest and boots, you can come up with pretty good setups, like this. Fill in the weapon slot with anything having -0.1 int and you have permaspark with Demon. That's an expensive build though. O.O

I would not use Ashura ornaments in PvP at all, even if you don't have 3.33aps in PvP that's fine. You probably want to have 2 different set of ornaments or even switch pieces of armor depending on PvP or PvE.

XShui - Lost City

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

That's 1b? Are you sure you have the right links?

Anyways, if you're willing to reroll R8 recast to get -int on chest and boots, you can come up with pretty good setups, like this. Fill in the weapon slot with anything having -0.1 int and you have permaspark with Demon. That's an expensive build though. O.O

I would not use Ashura ornaments in PvP at all, even if you don't have 3.33aps in PvP that's fine. You probably want to have 2 different set of ornaments or even switch pieces of armor depending on PvP or PvE.

Not planned to get any Rank and yeah that build looks to expensive.

As for PVP; it would be annoying to switch gear everytime so I guess ill just keep the Ashura Ornaments.

Maelael - Heavens Tear

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

Anyways, if you're willing to reroll R8 recast to get -int on chest and boots and 95% likely spend more money than R9 recast costs, you can come up with pretty good setups, or you can use the build guides in the BM forum section.

Do not use fists in mass PvP at all. In 1v1s, You can stun lock, HF, and fist APS people down. Mass PvP you want to use axes and save your sparks for other skills. Mass pvp people will actually wait until a Sin or BM appears, 3 sparks to APS someone, and then 1-2 shots them down from a distance.

Fixed.

Provided you have a WG Robe, and if you make the gear from TT mats, you can get a fine 5aps setup with Deicides, TT99 LA Boots and Bracers, TT99 HA Ornaments, and Nirvvy Pants for about 150mish given 2x mat prices (And this is talking no/little refines). It would be a standard non tome setup and works great for all farming instances.

Even at +6 to +8 on the deicides you're a good contribution to the squad. If you have more coin to spend, G13 Nirvana Claws or TT100 Fists are the way to go over the deicides.

Oddly, I had almost this exact conversation with 3 BMs last night headed into their 99s/100s.

Jaabg - Sanctuary

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

That's 1b? Are you sure you have the right links?/QUOTE]

I didn't link my bm's current build b:chuckle. I only linked what he had at lvl 90~98.

I really don't know how to price builds. If someone farms it = free - repair costs. If someone merchants = free - initial investment cost (which for most is small). If you spend real money, value = amount of money spent. No matter how awesome the tt build is, +12, josd, 3rd cast vana, or 5 aps setup. It still amounts to npc value for selling purposes. The 1 billion is there to make me happy, and not repeat the same mistake. Since the gear is farmed, i don't mind that it is tt, we all learn from our mistakes. I should have listened to Sakubatou a year ago, when he advised me to go lunar. Now all alts are lunar based.

Quilue - Sanctuary

Maelael - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Fixed.

Provided you have a WG Robe, and if you make the gear from TT mats, you can get a fine 5aps setup with Deicides, TT99 LA Boots and Bracers, TT99 HA Ornaments, and Nirvvy Pants for about 150mish given 2x mat prices (And this is talking no/little refines). It would be a standard non tome setup and works great for all farming instances.

Even at +6 to +8 on the deicides you're a good contribution to the squad. If you have more coin to spend, G13 Nirvana Claws or TT100 Fists are the way to go over the deicides.

Oddly, I had almost this exact conversation with 3 BMs last night headed into their 99s/100s.

Well if you have to use -int gear at all in PvP R8r is better than TT99 ****...or I'd just not claw at all either. Again I posted it because this was a thread asking for "endgame...with claws...not R9...in PvP" so I assumed cost was not an issue and you have to get the best gear with -int.

Most BMs going APS and not switching armor in PvP is the reason I hit BMs harder than I hit most other classes...it's like everyone else is going for R9, while a lot of BMs still want to cling to fists in PvP.

Jaabg - Sanctuary

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

it's like everyone else is going for R9, while a lot of BMs still want to cling to fists in PvP.

I am guilty of that b:surrender, i use axes, but still in pve, aps gear in tw. Because i am too cheap to farm a pvp gear b:shocked. I have plans for it, we'll see how they get distracted.

XShui - Lost City

I just leveled up to 99 and this is what I got;

http://pwcalc.com/e2ebbe6bdbd4af99

What to get as Plate and Legs and what shards should I add?

Fail_BM - Raging Tide

XShui - Lost City wrote: »

I just leveled up to 99 and this is what I got;

http://pwcalc.com/e2ebbe6bdbd4af99

What to get as Plate and Legs and what shards should I add?

TT99 plate is just ok if you want to pve, you need nirvana second cast leggings and new ringsb:surrender

Also don't use garnets on your gear, you already have a lot of phy def, I am sure you are not getting any phy damage reduction from themb:shocked

XShui - Lost City

Fail_BM - Raging Tide wrote: »

TT99 plate is just ok if you want to pve, you need nirvana second cast leggings and new ringsb:surrender

Also don't use garnets on your gear, you already have a lot of phy def, I am sure you are not getting any phy damage reduction from themb:shocked

I want to PVE and PVP. As for ring Ill replace the rank one with attendance ring in a few days.

The garnet shards were already in when I bought it.

fuzzywuzz

XShui - Lost City wrote: »

*sigh* I think you can move this to blademaster thread.

Indeed. Fuzzy is going to do just that.


-moved-

Jaabg - Sanctuary

XShui - Lost City wrote: »

I want to PVE and PVP. As for ring Ill replace the rank one with attendance ring in a few days.

The garnet shards were already in when I bought it.

Depending on your axes, has a say what pvp set you get. For example, if you are using r8 axe, it is simply cheaper to get r8 armour and refine it. If feeling more adventurous, you can go r8r.

If you go lunar, tt axes, than maybe lunar, tt based vana gear is for you.

People understand pvp differently, for me pvp = tw. PK, duel is fun, side things, but more serious fun is tw. TW situations are different from pk, duels. TW is totally unfair. You have this amazing, zerk crit, the opponent is one hit away, and someone hits you for 30k b:victory. The gear requirement in a way is less stringent in tw, which can be compensated by skills, timing and being aware of things. In duels, pk, you are focused on one target usually.

They are flawless garnet, easy to acquire, easy to remove, same as flawless citrines.

As for what chest to get, it depends on your money issues. If you have money, invest in two sets. If you don't, might as well use the aps gear in pvp.

XShui - Lost City

I got TT99 Dark Aura Axes +2 http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/14835 until I find something better.
Im not planning on getting 2nd gear set...

XShui - Lost City

Im level 100 now and still using TT90 plate + legs.
What should I get for plate + legs for now?
NV legs are still far...

Maelael - Heavens Tear

XShui - Lost City wrote: »

Im level 100 now and still using TT90 plate + legs.
What should I get for plate + legs for now?
NV legs are still far...

TT90 Plate and legs till you can afford TT99/Nirvana gears/R8.

The upgrade of the mold chest is really insignificant, and the mold legs are nearly impossible to find. Same with the Lunar gears - not a significant enough of an improvement.

XShui - Lost City

Im 2.86 base and 4 sparked now.
Go for Windpour or NV pants first to be 5?

Sakubatou - Sanctuary

XShui - Lost City wrote: »

Im 2.86 base and 4 sparked now.
Go for Windpour or NV pants first to be 5?

Do you find yourself wanting more defense or damage?

G15 pants are nice because for an aps bm they're endgame and you can refine/shard them up.

Or do you run blood painted alot? Because more damage means more paint heals and more paint heals equals more survivability.

I don't think we can tell you what you think you need =/

XShui - Lost City

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

Do you find yourself wanting more defense or damage?

G15 pants are nice because for an aps bm they're endgame and you can refine/shard them up.

Or do you run blood painted alot? Because more damage means more paint heals and more paint heals equals more survivability.

I don't think we can tell you what you think you need =/

Ill get both anyway xD It's just the order but I think ill go with the NV pants first.

I_am_noob - Dreamweaver

best was is to get your armour up to decent stage of refine and gear lvl...no use if you have great weapon and can take agro from tank and cant take hits to survive ,....so...gear>wapon

augustfinknottle

XShui - Lost City wrote: »

Ill get both anyway xD It's just the order but I think ill go with the NV pants first.

Don't get the G13 nirvy claws unless you're planning on G15 or G16. They're a complete waste when compared to Deicides. You'll need 130mil worth of raptures for an increase so slight in your damage that you will barely notice.

Even the TT100 fists are much better than G13 claws, and they always come with 2 sockets for about the same price (they are way more expensive to upgrade to G15 and G16, though, so not really usefull when you plan on getting those).

The pants will give you both an increase in defense and attack, so they're way better than upgrading claws. Actually, a much higher increase in attack than the G13 claws could ever give you (going from 4 to 5 aps you'll deal 25% more damage per second). Also, they're cheaper.