Wizard Skill Changes

Adroit - Lost City

FaceRolI - Sanctuary wrote: »

too sleepy atm to think/write anything that makes any sense.

mang old school pvp was roar HF BR, or roar HF thunderstorm lololol

There was a time before genies you know, you just ain't old school enough! b:chuckle

Nurfed_You - Harshlands

i played bm back before genies lol. and omg hg+thunderstorm was op, then it became hf+te after they cahnged how genie skills worked. got called a hacker so many times with that combo

FaceRolI - Sanctuary

my secrets out b:shutup started playing right after genie expansion b:surrender

was thinking of GX's when zerk crit mentioned somehow forgot about the all mighty clams b:chuckle

Nurfed_You - Harshlands

teh xu shas!!! greatest weapon evar

Arenaceous - Lost City

"Crown of flames: Continuous effect increased to 200% of weapon attack power instead of set number. Sage version duration effect decreased to 9 seconds and additional fire damage effect increased to 30%. Demon version duration effect decreased to 6 seconds instead."

That's awesome to finish off a spark sutra. :0 Even now I sometimes used cof when sutraing at range and not being able to use WoF. 200% is the same as stone rain, isn't it? That's excellent!

Elemental Invocation still seems mostly useless but a bit better for TW now. Damage still has no weapon modifier it seems... They should rather give manifest virtue a boost, then I would actually get it.

HexOmega - Dreamweaver

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

There was a time before genies you know, you just ain't old school enough! b:chuckle

i hated genies so much when i first got mine
i thought they were ugly and annoying


didnt figure out HOW FKKEN AWESOME THEY ARE back then

AOE holy path WAS SO MUCH FUN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Spell_Caster - Raging Tide

I used IP in combo with DB in my last tw movie but i think the use of it is very situational. 7sually, I dont find myself in the situation of using IP instead of the regular ulties.
Blinding blaze is not what i expected, sux that it ca be purified.
the changes suck for wizzies. Did u guys see what psychs get? frogging dmg increase in skills, amazing increase...like they need more dmg

Nurfed_You - Harshlands

i remember tt1-2 and aoe holy pathing through the hallway of mobs and hiding under the ledge XD

Evanera - Heavens Tear

The days where you dug beans in RB and when you're at the hilly part, you holy pathed your squad mates off the rocks they were trying to hop around on. The best was when RB was messed up and when you fell down there you had to town portal. b:chuckle

AshenSkies - Heavens Tear

Evanera - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The days where you dug beans in RB and when you're at the hilly part, you holy pathed your squad mates off the rocks they were trying to hop around on. The best was when RB was messed up and when you fell down there you had to town portal. b:chuckle

I'm so glad that can never happen to me anymore...

My poor veno!

mm2000

Nurfed_You - Harshlands wrote: »

adroit, does he not realize that wizards aren't a solo class

Let me get this straight, is it because you have no idea how to perform 1vs1 that means wizards are not a good solo class and Sasuke proved you wrong, not you tell him that he is playing wrong because he is not doing group PVP? Now that is hilarious, really, you're awful and even if you played for 4 years, then that is really pathetic. Go play a venomancer or something, because you're just awful.

Nurfed_You - Harshlands

can you quote things out of context more so that you can troll? i mean really, i've said more then once that wizards can do well in a 1v1 but they are not the best 1v1 class.

mm2000

Nurfed_You - Harshlands wrote: »

can you quote things out of context more so that you can troll? i mean really, i've said more then once that wizards can do well in a 1v1 but they are not the best 1v1 class.

Stop beating around the bush... I did not alter, change or put words in your mouth. You said that wizards are not a solo class. You did not say anything about them not being the best solo class. I do not "troll", this is exactly why I don't PVP because of people like you are just immature and bring in useless drama. You're being jealous of others doing better. You're a hypocrite, and a boring one.

U_Sasuke - Sanctuary

mm2000 wrote: »

Stop beating around the bush... I did not alter, change or put words in your mouth. You said that wizards are not a solo class. You did not say anything about them not being the best solo class. I do not "troll", this is exactly why I don't PVP because of people like you are just immature and bring in useless drama. You're being jealous of others doing better. You're a hypocrite, and a boring one.

lol there is no point in arguing with this kid man. he does group pk [which is super easy to do all u gotta do is press 1-2-3 and kill] because he's probably too scared to get embarrassed even with his top gears in 1on1. only if he learn to use a mage efficiently and realize we are a top tier 1on1 class...meh

good job at doing good in group pk, i'm pretty sure even a noob would look pro with +12 r9 in group pk.

Burnout - Harshlands

U_Sasuke - Sanctuary wrote: »

lol there is no point in arguing with this kid man. he does group pk [which is super easy to do all u gotta do is press 1-2-3 and kill] because he's probably too scared to get embarrassed even with his top gears in 1on1. only if he learn to use a mage efficiently and realize we are a top tier 1on1 class...meh

good job at doing good in group pk, i'm pretty sure even a noob would look pro with +12 r9 in group pk.

What game are you even talking about? Assuming equal skill and equal endgame gears, wiz are nowhere near top tier 1v1...

top tier is psychics and sins...

Only way a wiz pulls out wins vs decent opponents who understand how wiz works in a 1v1 is lucky crits and bypassing (which doesn't happen as much as it used to).

Nurfed_You - Harshlands

so by quoting the one sentence directed at someone else as a joke, and not at all looking at my other posts where i state how wizards can be a decent 1v1 class when played correctly and when you have uuber endgame gears. Yeah your not out of context at all.

and once and for all sas

Wizard CC
fow
sleep
semi reliable halistorm
non reliable but sometimes useful pitfall
and mountain seize which costs 2 sparks and is an aoe.

wizard single target amps
undine
genie spark

While genie spark is a very good amp it does use 1/3 of yoru genie stamina or a little more, used in conjunction w/ kiting or damage reduction this isn't always an option

When fighting an equal geared opponent you arent going to bypass their charm w/ ss d.pyro or gs. so your stuck to poke skills and using your "mini nukes" to set up for a bypass or a try at sutra combo.

When setting up for a bypass you must first get them to burn AD any class survival skills
coax psys into black voodoo etc. If your fighitng another class w/ a dex genie and they have windshield you will not be able to bypass their charm even w/ a crit.
When setting up for a sutra combo you need to undine them around 50% hp tick their charm seal>use your sutra combo w/ genie spark. if they are smart and have soul of fire you will need to use some other combo probably something inefficient if you can't use any fire skills at all.

Wizards anti-cc
fortify

Another genie skill that you pretty much need in order to 1v1 any class that can stun excluding veno's.

Now we all know different ways to "fake" your opponent out and make them make a mistake. Problem w/ that scenario is if your fighting a truly equal opponent the only thing you can do is dd until you can wear them down. Normally they will wear you down first every fight. Equal gear equal skill your chance to win is w/ them making a mistake and you getting a lucky crit just after that mistake.

Yes, wizards are pretty tough to kill while they have genie energy and apoth's and for short 1v1's with opponents who arent as geared or skilled. However our way's to kill people are very very predictable. You can see them coming from a mile a way.


All this being said, zerk classes have a much easier time getting consistent kills because they can base their genie solely around defense and really just wait for a zerk crit around half hp. Even if they need to get 2 zerk crits after a charm tick. so thats seekers/bms/barbs/sins that all have easier ways to kill you pretty much w/ the strategy of just survivng and attacking. Seekers pretty much try to debuff/gemini which is kind of obvious and avoidable though. All these classes also have an inherent antistun

psys can tank all day long all day strong in white voodoo and just wait for you their opponent to make a mistake or get sealed/stunned. with an inherent anti phys damage so that can black voodoo derp someone to death after someone makes a mistake if they are phys. I'm not sure what genie skills psys use, from what i've seen AD and expel make the list

Archers are a luck/crit based class so its fitting that purge/followed by crits after they've made you AD is a viable option to kill AA's or lightning chain after a purge and wait for crits on something. they also have awesome survival skills while they wait for luck to take its course on killing. Their genies can also be set up for straight survival/chi

Mystics are the only other class that could be called gimp in 1v1's. pet stun a close range seal a knockback skill. and no real nukes besides absorb soul for AA casters. The plants can debuff/sleep. Equal gear i just don't see mystics really killing the other classes well. Although i don't play a mystic and i only know one who is geared well(hint hint, certain wizzie come shed some light about your r9 mystic playstyle/genie)

Clerics are pretty straight forward in ways to kill people w/ debuff wield thunder metal skills til you die. 90% of clerics genies are set up for survival. pretty easy to avoid dieing until they where your genie/apoths down.

So honestly, top tier 1v1 pvp class would be a class that can use their genie purely to survive. Be able to wear down their opponents resources until they are unable to defend themselves. Be able to survive even if they make a mistake. Only class that really fits into this category would be a bm.

So while wizards can do well 1v1 w/ a good genie and a good amount of skill and a good amont of gear. They are not hte best at 1v1's. Even the way you bypass charms is an AOE skill. hint hint AOE. Aren't aoes more or less meant to ya know hit more then one person at a time, and to be used in conjunction w/ other classes aoe amps....maybe im thinking radically on this one. I mean all that tankiness that a wizard gets could be to survive a little focus fire until you can drop said aoe's instead of 1v1ing.

So tell me sas, do you fight opponents that just suck and thats why your think wizzies are so great at 1v1's. or do you just genie spark everything and not fight people w/ soul of fire. do your opponents even know basic concepts behind the game. because when i 1v1 people i think have "equal gear/skill" to me, the 1v1's normally last 5minutes at least of me wearing their genie down and apoths before i even have a shot at killing them. Yes, sometimes you get lucky and crit before that first charm tick or w/e. I'm really interested to know who it is your fighting, your gear, and really jsut yoru level of skill that you talk up so much. Who know's, maybe you are gods gift to pwi for wizards.

So quit trolling, post a video of how awesome you are at 1v1's or just stop posting about it. Your worse then elijah and bloodmystic combined w/ this stuff. Any added comments that i may have missed? that means you adroit.

So just to sum things up
pvp classes to 1v1 w/ in terms of surviving/getting consistent kills.
Sin
Bm
Barb
archer/wiz/psy
seekers
everything else

U_Sasuke - Sanctuary

Burnout - Harshlands wrote: »

What game are you even talking about? Assuming equal skill and equal endgame gears, wiz are nowhere near top tier 1v1...

top tier is psychics and sins...

Only way a wiz pulls out wins vs decent opponents who understand how wiz works in a 1v1 is lucky crits.

wouldn't surprise me if harshland is full of shltty mages

sin is a top tier class indeed yes

psychics, mmmm no not really.
if u are talking about gear advantage 'zomg +12 josd psychic', then no thats not same as top tier class-wise. psychics is an auto class and with not many options just like archer. not to mention the bad matchups they have: sins, archers, barb, bm (in magic marrow) 'wizard' sometimes if that wizard know what he's doing.

and note that is all based on equal gears-wise and on class pvp based.

Nurfed_You - Harshlands

harshlands is full of **** mages. there is one mage on the server who i havent fought 1v1 and beaten because they are a good friend and in guild lol. all the +10/12 josd mages suck and i've beaten them. And yeah, i'm basing this off full+12 josd gear being equal. thats top tier gear on all classes. psys are ranked right there w/ wizards in my book simply because they can live forever w/o any real thought.

mm2000

U_Sasuke - Sanctuary wrote: »

wouldn't surprise me if harshland is full of shltty mages

sin is a top tier class indeed yes

psychics, mmmm no not really.
if u are talking about gear advantage 'zomg +12 josd psychic', then no thats not same as top tier class-wise. psychics is an auto class and with not many options just like archer. not to mention the bad matchups they have: sins, archers, barb, bm (in magic marrow) 'wizard' sometimes if that wizard know what he's doing.

and note that is all based on equal gears-wise and on class pvp based.

I was doing something else and then check forum again, no idea why. Harshland is full of crappy players in general in my opinion. I feel bad for the competent players (which are very very thin for the population) that have to put up with such fails on that server, the worst server on PWI.

U_Sasuke - Sanctuary

great speech to act as if u are good, then again when i watch your videos, especially tw ones and see u doing nothing for 5 min...just don't even talk man loool garbage mages of harshland

and @mm2000

it's cool man the new server vs server is coming, would finally get to experience how shltty nurfed_you is if we ended up in same s v s map. gonna expose this kid for being bad even in group pk =P


edit ps: not to mention i see this kid's mouth running 24/7 about group pk 'wizard can do ultis, wizard can do this that in group pk lalallalalala'

not once i've seen him mention group pk is all about teamwork. the team that has better team-work regardless of sucking as individuals will always indeed win. group pk is not individual player nor individual class/person's skill to talk or brag about. it's about teamwork with your squad-mates. so speaking of that since i know this 'main factor' about group pvp also, that means im better than u in group pvp also? and that i'm not '1v1 24/7' player? and not to mention if there will be a pwic again, i'm representing my side, but are u? and if u are then good job person with 4 yr of experience cuz ur still tre-bad

Burnout - Harshlands

Nurfed_You - Harshlands wrote: »

Mystics are the only other class that could be called gimp in 1v1's. pet stun a close range seal a knockback skill. and no real nukes besides absorb soul for AA casters. The plants can debuff/sleep. Equal gear i just don't see mystics really killing the other classes well. Although i don't play a mystic and i only know one who is geared well(hint hint, certain wizzie come shed some light about your r9 mystic playstyle/genie)

IDK might just be my gear (full +10 JoSD), but as a mystic I generally view most classes as easy matchups 1v1. Archers would probably be the one class that can consistently destroy me, along with +12 R9/S3 nirvana dags (which goes 50/50 i guess). The main difference is that it takes more time to setup a kill than wiz, because I don't have sutra and have to resort to saccing pets/using my free crit and chain CC's. The morai update also essentially gave mystics a 5 s stun on pseudo ~3s cooldown as well, which helps a lot in 1v1 (I now just stun, sac the pet for 50% crit, resummon the pet, spark, and stun again, where before the update I couldn't do that since I had to feed mana to the pet first).

The classes I noticed I have trouble killing, usually have all +12 gears and good shards, which I don't mind since my wep when I dueled them was +10 and I had 50 points stuck in vit. Magic marrowed BM's are actually harder to kill than barbs also...why does a HA class with 20k hp get the same m. def as robes?

TBH though the only other mystic that's at least +10 R9 kind of sucks at playing mystic and has **** shards and complains on mystic forums a lot, so there's really no way to compare. I would imagine a regular R9 mystic with full garnet shards would do even better than me vs R9 sins/barbs/venos/seekers (due to insane p. def, their R9 mostly cancels out my JoSD), but would have trouble vs the caster classes.

Edit: I will say though, having played both wiz and mystic w/ good gears, I felt that the mystic was far more powerful 1v1, but wiz was equally far more powerful in TW. In group pk they are pretty equal. Being that I'm rarely on for TW's, I went with mystic as my main.

Ruvil - Sanctuary

one of you is evaluating the class, the other is evaluating the potential of the class...

if you have a mediocre archer and a mediocre wizard the archer is more likely to win in a 1v1.
if you have a 'pro' wiz and a 'pro' archer i would say that the wizard is favored...
even though in both scenarios the players are of 'equal' skill, the classes are not.

there was a really short post made by devoted (i think) awhile ago around the time wen CC was present, I liked it alot it was about potential of the different classes vs ease of use.

vs equal geared if my opponents genie is down they are basically dead b:cute in most cases apoth /class skills dont really matter since I will prevent them from using either (some exceptions like sometimes psy SoS etc..)

my main task is to survive, and maintain my chi and make them use that genie which isn't always easy but that is what it boils down to for me.

RebeI - Harshlands

Nurfed_You - Harshlands wrote: »

harshlands is full of **** mages. there is one mage on the server who i havent fought 1v1 and beaten because they are a good friend and in guild lol. all the +10/12 josd mages suck and i've beaten them. And yeah, i'm basing this off full+12 josd gear being equal. thats top tier gear on all classes. psys are ranked right there w/ wizards in my book simply because they can live forever w/o any real thought.

You never 1v1d me! :O ****, I'm offended :P haha kidding

@Sasuke - honestly, I used to think you were a decent guy, but dude you need to learn to read. Half of your posts are just you blabbering on about anything and everything and you think it's relevant to stroke your e-peen every two sentences. The rest of your posts are just you trying to troll someone and thinking you are superior to everyone.

U_Sasuke - Sanctuary

RebeI - Harshlands wrote: »

You never 1v1d me! :O ****, I'm offended :P haha kidding

@Sasuke - honestly, I used to think you were a decent guy, but dude you need to learn to read. Half of your posts are just you blabbering on about anything and everything and you think it's relevant to stroke your e-peen every two sentences. The rest of your posts are just you trying to troll someone and thinking you are superior to everyone.

lol i don't think im superior to anyone, but i am indeed hanging with idiots on this thread. maybe faceroll can knock some sense into these kids cuz he's a teacher b:laugh

Nurfed_You - Harshlands

Rebel we 1v1'd at west before you got yoru new comp. i believe it was only 1 fight though.

sas, so in tw you just tab target? your always "doing something" with your team. ever had to listen to what the defense leader says even though your in the middle of attacking something? even if it means dropping what your doing/killing and moving. It just so happens anytime that i'm not actively pursuing enemies would be because my squad leader told me not to. And lol at tw videos where i do nothing for 5 minutes, i'd like to see where that is. if you mean dropping an ulti on a group of people and then kiting from focus fire then yeah.

And about your "teamwork" thing. if your team has **** players, that means they won't know how to work together, and that they probably won't listen to targets called. Or know who/when to stun/seal/dg/amp/purge/dd. So teamwork isn't just about how well you work together w/ your team. its finding competent teamates to work w/. good teamwork isnt about winning 6v6 or 10v10. good teamwork is 3v10 6v15 winning tw's 50v80 when everyone is r9. thats what teamwork is. goodluck w/ your **** "know it all" attitude

Burnout - Harshlands

U_Sasuke - Sanctuary wrote: »

lol i don't think im superior to anyone, but i am indeed hanging with idiots on this thread. maybe faceroll can knock some sense into these kids cuz he's a teacher b:laugh

You really don't know how pathetic you sound when the only thing you know how to do is call everyone "idiots", "fails", and "kids" repeatedly in every single one of your posts. I'm sure faceroll's an awesome mage but he's not going to "knock" some sense into any kids.

I think this picture sums you up perfectly.

HexOmega - Dreamweaver

Burnout - Harshlands wrote: »

You really don't know how pathetic you sound when the only thing you know how to do is call everyone "idiots", "fails", and "kids" repeatedly in every single one of your posts. I'm sure faceroll's an awesome mage but he's not going to "knock" some sense into any kids.

I think this picture sums you up perfectly.

exactly what i said
well.. in a different way

pretty disappointing

Nurfed_You - Harshlands

forgot to add, i'll be happy to fight all you guys once server vs server battles are up. though i don't think it will be 1v1's lol, more like teamwork and such to capture points.

Eoria - Harshlands

N_Y, be my mage for SvS, plz.

HexOmega - Dreamweaver

so is this server vs server going to be like world vs world of a certain game?



i bet they mess this up again XD
or make it ultra expansive