Wizard a good class to start off with?

HexOmega - Dreamweaver

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

For the AOE heal why i level it? Cause its the only AOE heal that you are not stick in a blue ball, more you level it more the range and the heal is high, but AOE heal also heal myself ijs...frostblade don't add damage to the wizard himself... unless you are a ASP fists wizard but i don't think so.

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1195561
your argument is invalid
(sorry no decent video available)



are the people on your server really that stupid? , i have not once met a lvl100+ caster who insisted on getting frostblade in the belief of it adding magical damage
a few girls want a "shiny hand" because "its pretty" - thats all


almost all wizards i know have every single lvl11 skill,
harshlands and dreamweaver launched on the same day, how can they be so different?

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

HexOmega - Dreamweaver wrote: »

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1195561
your argument is invalid
(sorry no decent video available)

Ok if you are enough smart you will admit that you are probably one of the only wizard APS, so for the rest 99% my point if valid and a wizard at the base is not make to be APS and use fists.

are the people on your server really that stupid? , i have not once met a lvl100+ caster who insisted on getting frostblade in the belief of it adding magical damage
a few girls want a "shiny hand" because "its pretty" - thats all

Unfortunately yes, people on my server are **** as you can't imagine, more than 80% of ''AA'' think frostblade add water damage to all damage, some think that add water damage on water skill (psy & wizz), since i played wizard i asked and still ask people, why you buff all with frost? ''To add water damage'', after a couple psychic ask me frost and was arguing with me saying that was making a difference on their damages (No aps psy normal magic psy with their floating ball), so after 3-4 arguing like that with different psy i asked every psy i squad for a week if frost was making a difference for their damage and 95% of them answered me yes saying they have water skills.... the other 5% answered they didn't know.

almost all wizards i know have every single lvl11 skill,
harshlands and dreamweaver launched on the same day, how can they be so different?

There's a lot of wannabe of every class on HL people who power lvl some class to be able to do caster or for TW and trust me they have no idea what to do, the old school wizard are rare they left the game or just come TW. I guess Dreamweaver got lucky and got the smart people, people on HL lvl 1-100 in a week, buy R8-R9 and think they are pro, the skilled people become rare.

Just a exemple, in TW last night i was on the shock, i stopped for a minutes to ''play'' to watch all clerics tempest, cyclone wield thunder everywhere, i though ''holy **** what is that?'' I was use to always see a cleric more rebel and drop a tempest, but seriously that was the only thing i saw tempest everywhere even 3-4 in the same time, many cyclone everywhere, i was seriously wondering how clerics could DD beside heal, i was on mystic and was attacked by some clerics....

I ended on forum asking if frostblade was adding damage or not for AA (with a magic weapon with skills), cause the majority of people on my server was saying that add water damage to all attack or add water damage on water skill. I was always in random squad for caster and asking the psychic and other wizard and its disapointing how many think it does add damage, on a way the psy don't see the wizz skill description so they probably assume it add water damage, but wizz should know it, maybe dev shold change the description of the skill and beside say ''normal attack'' should say ''melee attack'', i think many people don't know that normal attack is not a ''normal skill''.

I leveled my mystic recently and in FC squad i asked (just for curiousity) why they was buffing themself with it and they all answered cause ''that add water damage on my skills'' and try to tell them that don't its like speak to a brick wall, i don't know on other server but on HL when you try to give a advice to someone they get offended saying they know their class.

Maybe some old school have it lvl 11, but its not all and have a skill lvl 11 doesn't mean people know what the skill do and frostblade for wizard is probably the most unknow skill for many other class and wizz themself.

@Rebel: I don't know if you run caster and if you do, do you always run with faction or friends? Try for 1-2 weeks to run caster in all random different squad and ask psy and other wizz if frost add damage, you gonna be surprise that many will answer yes, cause i was surprise that so many people don't know that don't.

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver

BurnWhenIWiz - Heavens Tear wrote: »

..and according to the mystic I spent 5 minutes arguing with in a caster vana, Absorb Soul too.

Actually Absorb Soul does nonelemental dmg that ignores both magic and physical defences.
It'll hit the same on a Barb as on a Wizzy

It is however, resisted by magic resist mobs and skills

BurnWhenIWiz - Heavens Tear

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Actually Absorb Soul does nonelemental dmg that ignores both magic and physical defences.
It'll hit the same on a Barb as on a Wizzy

It is however, resisted by magic resist mobs and skills

Yep, but when their argument about it boosting their overall mag atk fell through, they tried to pull out absorb soul as dealing physical damage. Basically, the entire conversation gave me a headache.

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver

BurnWhenIWiz - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Yep, but when their argument about it boosting their overall mag atk fell through, they tried to pull out absorb soul as dealing physical damage. Basically, the entire conversation gave me a headache.

The whole skill gives headaches :P
On casters you could say it deals phys dmg, but on barbs it'd deal magical dmg (if you judge purely by the defences of the class and the dmg)
Also it'll hit through invoke b:laugh

HexOmega - Dreamweaver

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »

The whole skill gives headaches :P
On casters you could say it deals phys dmg, but on barbs it'd deal magical dmg (if you judge purely by the defences of the class and the dmg)
Also it'll hit through invoke b:laugh

i wonder why they didnt fix that skill yet

its pretty obviously not a feature, looks more like a bug






@bella: the aps wizard thing was a 1-week joke. im not aps wiz anymore omg XD
can barely play with that build

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver

HexOmega - Dreamweaver wrote: »

i wonder why they didnt fix that skill yet

its pretty obviously not a feature, looks more like a bug

Actually the skill discrition sais 'Non-Elemental Damage'

HexOmega - Dreamweaver

hmmm why dont tw factions use a squad full of mystics to hunt down cata barbs


barb invoke, mystics use force-crit skill (lucky break?), use insta-cast apo (zooming thunder powder) -> sage spark -> absorb soul

bang

taht 5 times, dead barb?

???

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver

HexOmega - Dreamweaver wrote: »

hmmm why dont tw factions use a squad full of mystics to hunt down cata barbs


barb invoke, mystics use force-crit skill (lucky break?), use insta-cast apo (zooming thunder powder) -> sage spark -> absorb soul

bang

taht 5 times, dead barb?

???

Don't forget a nature's vengence for double dmg

JYUUU - Harshlands

I don't recall any good wizards being active on HL so what she's saying could be true, as most of the R9 wizards here are heavy CSers alts.
To answer #0, i think it all depends on how bad you wanna play wizard, if you really love this class you should play it then, but as someone said, you'd better starting off with a sin and a bm to make money and then gear up a decent wizard.If u aren't R9 or Full recast~ you are pretty much a oneshot to any sin highly refined even g13 sometimes(and i'm talking with +10 cube neck and full +7 armors)
After that, i see that a lot of people bring up caster, correct me if i'm wrong, but the glitch has been fixed right?I just came back into the game, but since the glitch has been fixed, you are nowhere near the moneymaking you can make with a sin/bm during a 2x drops.
You can still run Full Warsong/GV and caster but R8+10 weapon and decent armors will already be a requirement, which is not that cheap when it's your first char basically.
And to make a wizard any good, being sage or demon, you need nearly every single level11 skills,a very good genie so yea...

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver

JYUUU - Harshlands wrote: »

I don't recall any good wizards being active on HL so what she's saying could be true, as most of the R9 wizards here are heavy CSers alts.
To answer #0, i think it all depends on how bad you wanna play wizard, if you really love this class you should play it then, but as someone said, you'd better starting off with a sin and a bm to make money and then gear up a decent wizard.If u aren't R9 or Full recast~ you are pretty much a oneshot to any sin highly refined even g13 sometimes(and i'm talking with +10 cube neck and full +7 armors)
After that, i see that a lot of people bring up caster, correct me if i'm wrong, but the glitch has been fixed right?I just came back into the game, but since the glitch has been fixed, you are nowhere near the moneymaking you can make with a sin/bm during a 2x drops.
You can still run Full Warsong/GV and caster but R8+10 weapon and decent armors will already be a requirement, which is not that cheap when it's your first char basically.
And to make a wizard any good, being sage or demon, you need nearly every single level11 skills,a very good genie so yea...

My wizzy can make an easy 1mil a day in caster, more if I actually find some BH squads (I'm lazy)

My sin on the other hand, can't find jack sht for Nirvana squads.
If you wanna base ALL your farming income on hoping that there will be a 2x drops, I rather have a stable income

Sin and BM aren't anywhere near the moneymakers as people claim they are.
In order to farm efficiently, you'll need high APS. APS is expencive as hell. So in order to make money on a sin, you'll first need to put ALOT of money into that sin

Eoria - Harshlands

HexOmega - Dreamweaver wrote: »

hmmm why dont tw factions use a squad full of mystics to hunt down cata barbs


barb invoke, mystics use force-crit skill (lucky break?), use insta-cast apo (zooming thunder powder) -> sage spark -> absorb soul

bang

taht 5 times, dead barb?

???

Absorb Soul can't crit and, as Sirrobert says, need to use NV first for more damage. Also, most mystics don't have the potential DD power to pull that off. ):

AshenSkies - Heavens Tear

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

Absorb Soul can't crit and, as Sirrobert says, need to use NV first for more damage. Also, most mystics don't have the potential DD power to pull that off. ):

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Absorb Soul only get affected by phys defense? Don't barbs have naturally higher physical defense because of their buff? So the mystics would need incredible DD power to be able to make a dint in a cata barbs HP.

JYUUU - Harshlands

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Sin and BM aren't anywhere near the moneymakers as people claim they are.

I didn't farm anything for a long time, but i remember the last 2x i did like 6 months ago, soloing 3-1 for Ribbons was sooooooo damn profitable for instance, mostly because it takes so few time for mat u'd sell 1m each later.But you are right that you can make money in caster if you are motivated enough to play this game everyday.
And it's true that you need to have high aps and a +10 weapon + decently refined armors to farm anything with a sin/bm, you just make a good one or none, otherwise it doesn't make sense.
Shouldn't forget that being able to do CoA efficiently is a good income of money on the long term too.
But obviously, if you are going to buy every single aps piece, making a farming char is a long term investissement.

ArenaSkies - Sanctuary

There's a reason why mystics aren't that wanted... a lot of people don't know how to play them. At all. It's a hard class to play.

You'd be surprised, my mystic has defeated r9 characters in duels, and I'm only r8. You don't have to have OP gear to play a mystic. You can pretty much beat any class in duels. The problem is it's an extremely COMPLEX class. My mystic can heal just as good as a cleric + dd at the same time except for two instances.

I have never played a wizard, so I can't say much. I was just browsing here to get a better idea about them. But when I read this forum, some people just say the noobish things about mystics that I had to defend them. We're the most misunderstood and underrated class there is.

What I do know is that in 1v1 pvp, Rebirth/Gamma/etc (anything with "?" mobs/bosses), healing/support, and Caster Vana, a mystic outshines a wizard.

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver

AshenSkies - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Absorb Soul only get affected by phys defense? Don't barbs have naturally higher physical defense because of their buff? So the mystics would need incredible DD power to be able to make a dint in a cata barbs HP.

As I already said abit earlier, Absorb Soul does 'non elemental dmg'
It's not affected by ANY defences, magic or physical.
It'll deal the same amount of dmg to a barb as to a psy

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Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »

My wizzy can make an easy 1mil a day in caster, more if I actually find some BH squads (I'm lazy)

You should be able to make that in about an hour on a wiz, mystic, veno, psy in Valley of the Scarred.

Sin and BM aren't anywhere near the moneymakers as people claim they are.
In order to farm efficiently, you'll need high APS. APS is expencive as hell. So in order to make money on a sin, you'll first need to put ALOT of money into that sin

Aps isn't necessary to farm coin. Decent gear is; whether it's melee or mage. -At least outside of using others to get things done.

ArenaSkies - Sanctuary wrote: »

There's a reason why mystics aren't that wanted... a lot of people don't know how to play them. At all. It's a hard class to play.

You'd be surprised, my mystic has defeated r9 characters in duels, and I'm only r8. You don't have to have OP gear to play a mystic. You can pretty much beat any class in duels. The problem is it's an extremely COMPLEX class. My mystic can heal just as good as a cleric + dd at the same time except for two instances.

I have never played a wizard, so I can't say much. I was just browsing here to get a better idea about them. But when I read this forum, some people just say the noobish things about mystics that I had to defend them. We're the most misunderstood and underrated class there is.

What I do know is that in 1v1 pvp, Rebirth/Gamma/etc (anything with "?" mobs/bosses), healing/support, and Caster Vana, a mystic outshines a wizard.

The player base in general appears to play worse than trained monkeys. Kicked my first derp melee'er from BH Aba today, but have seen one after another do this auto melee over and over. I agree that Mystic is undervalued, but it takes a good player to play one good. Almost any mystic is going to be better for BH Aba/SoT now than the avg. BM/Sin.

While on mystic; did a wc for a puller for BH Metal. A mystic replied, so I thought I'd learn something. They show up and start pulling 1 by 1. -lol. When their pet approached I started using Gale Force to pull since the runners both came up front; so it didn't end up slowing us down much. How long we been doing Warsong and people still run it like nubtarts?

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

AshenSkies - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Absorb Soul only get affected by phys defense? Don't barbs have naturally higher physical defense because of their buff? So the mystics would need incredible DD power to be able to make a dint in a cata barbs HP.

Absorb soul is kinda complex so maybe you should go read that: http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1018921&highlight=absorb+soul

VoItaire - Harshlands

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »

As I already said abit earlier, Absorb Soul does 'non elemental dmg'
It's not affected by ANY defences, magic or physical.
It'll deal the same amount of dmg to a barb as to a psy

"Non-elemental dmg" = physical dmg. It's not worth using on HA target because it'll barely harm them compared to any wood skills. It's not really a bug, the devs were just too lazy to make it not crit as its own kind of skill, so they made it work like a DoT. And thus you get a single tick bleed that doesn't break sleep, does full dmg whether you're aerial or naval attacking grounded targets, not effected by amps or dmg reductions, and ignores atk lvls and defense lvls. The only thing you can do to protect yourself from it is to use an immune or increase your phys defense.

Edit: Just thought I'd clarify there's no such thing as a dmg type that ignores both resistances on this game besides maybe % of health dmg skills that really only PvE bosses have, so if it doesn't have an element, it's always physical dmg, which is why all soulforce reflect dmg is also based off pdef.

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JYUUU - Harshlands wrote: »

To answer #0, i think it all depends on how bad you wanna play wizard, if you really love this class you should play it then, but as someone said, you'd better starting off with a sin and a bm to make money and then gear up a decent wizard.

Extremely horrible advice. An assassin these days is almost worthless in BH100s (I most of the time won't squad them when making squad), not welcome in caster nirvana, and is extremely expensive to make profitable.

After that, i see that a lot of people bring up caster, correct me if i'm wrong, but the glitch has been fixed right?

Doesn't matter. There are 4 caster classes that can share all equips. Even our melee alts can be used to open caster, and I've had people open caster for me for free. All that said though: it's nubish to keep acting like Nirvana is the only way to farm.

I just came back into the game, but since the glitch has been fixed, you are nowhere near the moneymaking you can make with a sin/bm during a 2x drops.

Any toon you invest in as much as you'd need to invest in a profitable sin would be profitable. Other toons farm better earlier.

You can still run Full Warsong/GV and caster but R8+10 weapon and decent armors will already be a requirement, which is not that cheap when it's your first char basically.
And to make a wizard any good, being sage or demon, you need nearly every single level11 skills,a very good genie so yea...

There is no GV in this version of the game. Decent equips are more important to sins who can't seem to stay alive on BH Metal boss. There are a lot of L11 skills I don't have for wiz simply because it would be stupid to get them.

Are we playing the same game?

VoItaire - Harshlands wrote: »

"Non-elemental dmg" = physical dmg.

Quit game pls. If it were phys: it would say PHYS!

It's not worth using on HA target because it'll barely harm them compared to any wood skills. It's not really a bug, the devs were just too lazy to make it not crit as its own kind of skill, so they made it work like a DoT.

It's not a DoT.

And thus you get a single tick bleed that doesn't break sleep, does full dmg whether you're aerial or naval attacking grounded targets, not effected by amps or dmg reductions, and ignores atk lvls and defense lvls. The only thing you can do to protect yourself from it is to use an immune or increase your phys defense.

Stop giving advice pls.

If this skill is the end to a mob: it doesn't die normally.

VoItaire - Harshlands

thumbs wrote: »

Quit game pls. If it were phys: it would say PHYS!

Oh I forgot, pwi skill descriptions are always so reliable and on point, never leaving anything vague.

thumbs wrote: »

It's not a DoT.

Derp, reread, you might notice that I said it works like a DoT, never said it was.

thumbs wrote: »

Stop giving advice pls.

You seem to be oblivious to the fact that people stopped taking you seriously a long time ago.

AshenSkies - Heavens Tear

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »

As I already said abit earlier, Absorb Soul does 'non elemental dmg'
It's not affected by ANY defences, magic or physical.
It'll deal the same amount of dmg to a barb as to a psy

I swear physical defense is the ONLY thing that affects it, it even goes through AD/Ironguard.

VoItaire - Harshlands

AshenSkies - Heavens Tear wrote: »

...it even goes through AD/Ironguard.

Only in duels.

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver

VoItaire - Harshlands wrote: »

which is why all soulforce reflect dmg is also based off pdef.

while sov and soulburn deals physical damage i think that last ime i checked (2y+) sor reflected the type of the damage that absorbed (didnt test it with BT though).

JYUUU - Harshlands

thumbs wrote: »

(I most of the time won't squad them when making squad)
->I personally don't have any issues finding a squad with my sin in almost any BH while my wiz is usually getting denied


Doesn't matter. There are 4 caster classes that can share all equips.
it's nubish to keep acting like Nirvana is the only way to farm.
->It depends on the amount of time you want to spend in this game as always, i'd rather level on char and afk march a sin which will be able to solo FC to sell it 1.5m since i saw people speaking about caster as a daily thing whereas you can use the sin only in 2x, solo/duo TT because there'll always have people who needs to recast stuff and do 3man nirvana while 2x is on.Adding that you can't share R9 which is still the best for a wiz, even tho 3rd cast weapon is good.



Any toon you invest in as much as you'd need to invest in a profitable sin would be profitable. Other toons farm better earlier.
->No


There are a lot of L11 skills I don't have for wiz simply because it would be stupid to get them.
->Except the basic useless stuff, i don't see much skills which are useless at lv11 for a wiz evenmore if you go demon

And sin is offering a totally different way to play which is enjoyable but i guess that's just my point of view, some people must love casters i guess

AshenSkies - Heavens Tear

VoItaire - Harshlands wrote: »

Only in duels.

I remember it going through someones AD in a 1v1, not a duel. Maybe he activated AD late though...

Cody__Tylor - Heavens Tear

Yes, the wizard class is a good class to start with. All classes, are a good class to start with except archers (arrows, slow costs chi and winged shell costs almost half a spark, 50% damage at melee range with low defense) and assassins (melee range with low defense), they shine when other characters finance for them (as alt characters).

As a wizard, even cleric, mystic and psychic have the potential of killing mobs before reaching them (skills with slow costs no chi on these classes). Basically you keep using gush (main skill for solo PVE) and keeping at your distance away from the mobs' attack range. You'll get hailstorm which is an immobilize which is also useful for your hitting and running tech to help you do another spell as you wish to. Distance shrink to leap away if you face your character away from the mob. Then will of the phoenix for knockback and force of will for the seal. And last, but not least, mountain siege which stuns.

Wizard class have lowest p.def (arcane) and a lot of their spells have slow channeling and has slow movement speed. However that can be countered, easily.

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VoItaire - Harshlands wrote: »

You seem to be oblivious to the fact that people stopped taking you seriously a long time ago.

Everyone that's approached me in-game about my posting here in the forum has been very positive. b:bye

JYUUU - Harshlands wrote: »

And sin is offering a totally different way to play which is enjoyable but i guess that's just my point of view, some people must love casters i guess

Derp erupt -> auto atk is enjoyable? I understand there's a lot more to it, but seriously... BM, and Barb are far more enjoyable and better for AoE. My point being also was that Sins are relatively useless to a squad anymore: nothing to do with enjoyabliity. The class itself is the new veno (where all the idiot mindless players flock to because people tell them they're faceroll easy when they're not).

Cody__Tylor - Heavens Tear wrote: »

As a wizard, even cleric, mystic and psychic have the potential of killing mobs before reaching them (skills with slow costs no chi on these classes). Basically you keep using gush (main skill for solo PVE) and keeping at your distance away from the mobs' attack range. You'll get hailstorm which is an immobilize which is also useful for your hitting and running tech to help you do another spell as you wish to.

Even the Demon version of Hailstorm is only 50% chance.

Distance shrink to leap away if you face your character away from the mob. Then will of the phoenix for knockback and force of will for the seal. And last, but not least, mountain siege which stuns.

Mountain's Seize is 95% chance (BMs have better aoe stun), Distance Shrink isn't just used defensively, Will of the Phoenix doesn't work on every mob (elite mobs), and doesn't work in PvP.

Wizard class have lowest p.def (arcane) and a lot of their spells have slow channeling and has slow movement speed. However that can be countered, easily.

Clerics don't have anything like Stone Barrier. My wiz is pure mag and with cleric, self, and BM buffs has more pdef than mdef.

VoItaire - Harshlands

thumbs wrote: »

Everyone that's approached me in-game about my posting here in the forum has been very positive. b:bye

I'm sure many people compliment the faceless poster in-game about his/her posting.

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VoItaire - Harshlands wrote: »

I'm sure many people compliment the faceless poster in-game about his/her posting.

Great argument: I'm sure you'll win awards for that!