Wizard a good class to start off with?
crucifiedsoul
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What I find myself doing a lot is starting with a class that is hard to solo level with, I love casters but in more of a Dungeon/Instance environment. Is the Wizard strong enough to solo PvM leveling and questing? If not what should I use as a good balanced character. I was a Fury Warrior in WoW back in the day and anything that uses axe's or duel wields is definitely interesting for meI would be a cleric if it wasn't so annoying to level them in any game. Thanks in advanced, by the way casters are my favorite type of character to use.
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crucifiedsoul wrote: »What I find myself doing a lot is starting with a class that is hard to solo level with, I love casters but in more of a Dungeon/Instance environment. Is the Wizard strong enough to solo PvM leveling and questing? If not what should I use as a good balanced character. I was a Fury Warrior in WoW back in the day and anything that uses axe's or duel wields is definitely interesting for meI would be a cleric if it wasn't so annoying to level them in any game. Thanks in advanced, by the way casters are my favorite type of character to use.
I play Wizard myself all cultivation bosses he tanked / killed himself.
Here is one of last threads about him.
Since it is MMO some quests better/faster do in squad (like bhs).0 -
Toliman - Raging Tide wrote: »I play Wizard myself all cultivation bosses he tanked / killed himself.
Here is one of last threads about him.
When I create a character for the first time it would be nice to have someone help me learn quicker, let me apply for a guild and everything. If you know anyone that could help me I'll join the appropriate server and learn lol0 -
crucifiedsoul wrote: »When I create a character for the first time it would be nice to have someone help me learn quicker, let me apply for a guild and everything. If you know anyone that could help me I'll join the appropriate server and learn lol
Since my character had not been in any guild (most of time he play solo), I can't propose it for you. But I am sure, that at any server you can be invited many times per one day at different guilds. Best of them have level requirements (Edit:
You can see their names at World Map - they often have territory there).0 -
Toliman - Raging Tide wrote: »Since my character had not been in any guild (most of time he play solo), I can't propose it for you. But I am sure, that at any server you can be invited many times per one day at different guilds. Best of them have level requirements.
Thanks for the help, I've decided on Wizard, just hope I don't need the top lvl gear at every level to be effective in battle.0 -
Wizzy can indeed solo almost everything for mobs (not counting bosses that need a squad, but almost noone can solo those at the lvl you need them)
The advantages (for you I think), are mostly that a wizzy is tricky.
If you **** up, you'll die pritty damn fast, you'll need to kite the mobs.
The squishy part will stay with you forever, even though your attacks grow so powerfull that no mob can hurt you before they die.
(on the gear: the advantage of a wizzy is that you have 3 skills to kite the mobs, and 1 skill to permanently slow them down by alot. So even if your gear is ****, you can still kite them around. It'll just take abit longer)9 out of 10 voices in my head say I'm not crazy... the 10th is singing the music of tetris0 -
I play Mystic, Wiz, Cleric, and Venomancer.
Some of Wiz's strengths are Caster Nirvana, Warsong City, and Rebirth. Mystic pwnz Wiz in Rebirth and Caster Nirvana, and is not too bad in Warsong depending on squad make up.
Cleric is weak on defense; Mystic has Verdant Shell. Cleric is also weak on offense and an MP guzzler. Mystic is far more MP efficient at 70+.
Venomancer is great for soloing early on, but their pets don't scale with them. They're an expensive class to do proper, and can be discouraging when you invest millons in a pet to have it made obsolete by a new one. Mystic is about on par with their solo-abilities and much better on the budget.
Mystic takes a lot of hands on work. If you want to hit macro buttons, or sit pretty doing continuous AOE; then Wiz might be for you. If you're aggressive and thoughtful: Mystic. If you're not on a budget, and aggressive: veno. If you're the self sacrificing type that just likes to be wanted; Cleric.0 -
... If you want to hit macro buttons, or sit pretty doing continuous AOE; then Wiz might be for you...
May be in Nirvana Wizard can sit, but if my Wizard will sit during leveling, then he will be useless.
Wizard is dynamic class, you must be always ready to change tactic or be killed.
I was in squad with bad level 91 Wizard.
She asked for help in WC to kill last bosses.
She tried to kill bosses with aoe (Dragon's Breath) in bh59, had been killed on Drake, asked for mana pots , said once: "We could not do it without bm (level 75 which had left squad)."
Ended it with me tanking last boss Glutt, although she could outdamage me in theory.0 -
Toliman - Raging Tide wrote: »May be in Nirvana Wizard can sit, but if my Wizard will sit during leveling, then he will be useless.
1 macro for grinding; rarely get hit. DB otherwise..- seriously this class suits lazy players.Wizard is dynamic class, you must be always ready to change tactic or be killed.
Dynamic? -Your heals are almost worthless to a squad, your ranged AoEs are severely limited, you don't have a pet/ summons, all you need to do is derp DD.I was in squad with bad level 91 Wizard.
Which has how much relevance?
Yes: you can be fail at even the simplest class. I don't hate my wiz, but I do love what I can do w/ Mystic or Veno.0 -
1 macro for grinding; rarely get hit. DB otherwise..- seriously this class suits lazy players...
Not all Wizards play as you. 1 macro for all elemental types of mobs ... even resistant to magic ...
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You have R9+12 may be or even not play using your Wizard....
Dynamic? -Your heals are almost worthless to a squad, your ranged AoEs are severely limited, you don't have a pet/ summons, all you need to do is derp DD...
Say about yourself. You had not been in my squad even once.
This is forum for Wizards, not for Venomancers or Mystics.
You say that Wizard is simplest class......
Yes: you can be fail at even the simplest class. I don't hate my wiz, but I do love what I can do w/ Mystic or Veno.0 -
mistic is the class who is unwanted same as veno so plz go away with ur un wanted class ego.
if you wana help him decide what class he should play do so without bias
do you even have a r9 +12 wix and a r9 +12 mistic cos i could swear wiz would win
and keep agro from said mistic and omg i do not even play those classes and i know more then you b:shocked0 -
_Ghoul_ - Lost City wrote: »mistic is the class who is unwanted same as veno so plz go away with ur un wanted class ego.
if you wana help him decide what class he should play do so without bias
do you even have a r9 +12 wix and a r9 +12 mistic cos i could swear wiz would win
and keep agro from said mistic and omg i do not even play those classes and i know more then you b:shocked
You can't even spell the class names properly...[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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crucifiedsoul wrote: »What I find myself doing a lot is starting with a class that is hard to solo level with, I love casters but in more of a Dungeon/Instance environment. Is the Wizard strong enough to solo PvM leveling and questing? If not what should I use as a good balanced character. I was a Fury Warrior in WoW back in the day and anything that uses axe's or duel wields is definitely interesting for meI would be a cleric if it wasn't so annoying to level them in any game. Thanks in advanced, by the way casters are my favorite type of character to use.
Cleric: easy to level cause you can heal yourself when you quest, which is a life safer, the damage of a cleric is good, but don't except to be take in a squad for DD, but for solo quests personally i think cleric is easier. In PWI cleric is the ''caster'' class that you will always get invited in squads for instance cause everyone need cleric and at low level the good thing is you can buff yourself, p.def, m.def, magic attack and mp&hp regeneration.
Cleric can solo some stuff if you are decent gears and good with heal and DD timing.
Wizard: not hard to level as well, but more risky cause wizard have only one heal skill and its not really good, its just good for heal yourself after each mob when you quest. Wizard have 4 buffs, one completely useless (frostblade) that only have effect on the melee class, and the 3 other buffs are shields which protect you but you can only use one at time, one is for fire defense (give a little hp regeneration), the second for water defense (give a little mp regeneration) and the last one give earth defense (give a bonus p.def). Wizard are great DD, but its hard sometimes to find a spot in a squad, but its more on high level for bh. You cannot really solo stuff on wizz unless at really high lvl with really great gears.
Mystic: really easy to level, the most easy, you DD good, you can heal yourself, you can ress buff yourself, you have summons, pets and plants and they can be use in the same time (1 pet and 1 plant), 1 pet is physical, 1 magical, 1 for protect yourself and the fourth one which is a big DD and survivor but its only for 20 seconds. The plants ( you have 7 total when you have all of them) do different things, debuff the enemy, healing plants etc.
For me that was the most easy class to level. You can solo some stuff on that class. So far i don't have problem to get in squad.
Venomancer: easy to level, once you learn how use the pets and controls them you can solo some stuff, the DD of a venomancer is low though, but venomancer can do unique things like purge (remove a enemy good status), amplify which make the enemy more fast to kill. Venomancer are probably the class i had the most hard time to find squad for stuff, i personally stopped play venomancer cause of that, i wasn't took on squad or i was expected to solo everything.
Psychic: I didn't play that class so i will no comment on it, all i know is they are great DD, but if its easy to level up and quest i don't know and about find squad for stuff its prolly similar to a wizard.
So if you want a class easy to level and to be sure to always be take in a squad choose cleric, but you need to be sure that you love the healing job cause its the main job of a cleric and people wont take you as DD.
Venomancer and wizard are easy to play, wizz is a pure DD, venomancer are normally more use for debuff, purge, amp they are not a high DD, but they are useful, psychic is a pure DD too, i don't know if they are easy to learn to play but they are great DD.
For me mystic is the most fun class to play so far, but its a personal choice, mystic is a mix of DD and healer, they can do many things.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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What do you mean Frostblade is useless? Lv 11 Frostblade is awesome.0
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OMG!! gtfo all of u noobs!!!!!!!
Ok you want a wizzard?
If you want to have a wizzard as your main and first toon you need to know in advance two things:
1 - Are you planning to cash a lot on this game? If so go for a wizzy but be ready to invest a lot of real money on it, if not go to option number two...
2- Are you planning to become the best merchant of your server? If so then go and make a wizzy if not...............
Let me tell you that wizzards are the most expensive class of the game, when you reach 100 unless you have a good gear you will suck at PVE and PVP as well you want have any way to farm (yeah you can go to caster but you will need at least a descent r8 for that ) you won t be able to solo ANYTHING or even be usefull in any squad, in pvp you will be a one or 2 shoots to any class with average gear, so .. a friendly advise unless u r planning to cash, make a stupid sin or a damm BM lvl it, farm a lot of coin and after that make your wizzard.0 -
Radamanthys - Heavens Tear wrote: »What do you mean Frostblade is useless? Lv 11 Frostblade is awesome.
Level 1 or 11 forstblade is useless for wizard... you should know it....[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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He mean that level 11 Frostblade gives 20 chi per cast instead of 10.Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »Level 1 or 11 forstblade is useless for wizard... you should know it....
It is useless for something else (for Wizards).0 -
Toliman - Raging Tide wrote: »He mean that level 11 Frostblade gives 20 chi per cast instead of 10.
It is useless for something else (for Wizards).
I mean as buff....[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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_Ghoul_ - Lost City wrote: »if you wana help him decide what class he should play do so without bias
Have Lv.101 of both on same account sharing equips; you?do you even have a r9 +12 wix and a r9 +12 mistic cos i could swear wiz would win
and keep agro from said mistic and omg i do not even play those classes and i know more then you b:shocked
Of course Wiz gets aggro! -lol Sage DB gobbles that stuff regardless of dmg! Ever heard of distributed aggro (summons / plants), or skills that cause dmg w/o adding aggro (Absorb Soul)? -No because you don't know wth you're on about and have probably not been around a decent Mystic.b:byeRadamanthys - Heavens Tear wrote: »Ummm are you high?
Maybe a bit, but Mystic is far more complex than Wiz. You can't go by the ones that try to play Mystic as if it's Veno.0 -
Some of Wiz's strengths are Caster Nirvana, Warsong City, and Rebirth. Mystic pwnz Wiz in Rebirth and Caster Nirvana, and is not too bad in Warsong depending on squad make up.
Venomancer is great for soloing early on, but their pets don't scale with them. They're an expensive class to do proper, and can be discouraging when you invest millons in a pet to have it made obsolete by a new one. Mystic is about on par with their solo-abilities and much better on the budget.
Mystic takes a lot of hands on work. If you want to hit macro buttons, or sit pretty doing continuous AOE; then Wiz might be for you. If you're aggressive and thoughtful: Mystic. If you're not on a budget, and aggressive: veno. If you're the self sacrificing type that just likes to be wanted; Cleric.
now. reality call:
mystics are sorta useless
you will never see anyone asking for a mystic
only if they cant find a cleric
also wizards outdamage mystics in both
aoe and single target damage, dps and dph
using the same gear, at least i do
and dont call sage db since not all wizards are sage
veno are one of the worst classes for pve
they added evil buffs to bosses in the last update to make them wanted in squads again.
before the last update many venos complained cause nobody wanted then for bh squads
since they didnt have any key role (aoe or dps... they lack both)Dynamic? -Your heals are almost worthless to a squad, your ranged AoEs are severely limited, you don't have a pet/ summons, all you need to do is derp DD.
i have a mystic and had a cleric
being main healer to a squad of brain potatos was getting on my nerves so i quit both
mystic is sure even more stress than cleric, since you dd at the same time as you heal
wizard heals only in emergency situations and does so quite well
due to superior defese they seem to be the last dd standing in most squad wipes
so here is the heal till cleric is back ..Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »Level 1 or 11 forstblade is useless for wizard... you should know it....
you are a cleric
you did lvl aoe heal too
it heals others and is not as fast as your other heal, so why lvl it?
frostblade makes phys classes able to attack p.immune mobs; or use status effects on em
(useful in aeu for example)i like potato0 -
Undine > Mystics.
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HexOmega - Dreamweaver wrote: »now. reality call:
mystics are sorta useless
you will never see anyone asking for a mystic
only if they cant find a cleric
also wizards outdamage mystics in both
aoe and single target damage, dps and dph
using the same gear, at least i do
and dont call sage db since not all wizards are sage
veno are one of the worst classes for pve
they added evil buffs to bosses in the last update to make them wanted in squads again.
before the last update many venos complained cause nobody wanted then for bh squads
since they didnt have any key role (aoe or dps... they lack both)
i have a mystic and had a cleric
being main healer to a squad of brain potatos was getting on my nerves so i quit both
mystic is sure even more stress than cleric, since you dd at the same time as you heal
wizard heals only in emergency situations and does so quite well
due to superior defese they seem to be the last dd standing in most squad wipes
so here is the heal till cleric is back ..
you are a cleric
you did lvl aoe heal too
it heals others and is not as fast as your other heal, so why lvl it?
frostblade makes phys classes able to attack p.immune mobs; or use status effects on em
(useful in aeu for example)
Was going to reply to each point, but all replies could be summed up in: "learn to play".0 -
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i thought i was bragging how awesome wizards are in my whole post
i tried to learn this game since 2008, still cant even play wizard
why doesnt auto attack on demon sark macro make me tank????? outragious
oh a wild window attacked my head before writing the long post.... bleeding a bit but im fine... guess im a redhead now! does that mean i lost my soul???i like potato0 -
I see sarcasm here.HexOmega - Dreamweaver wrote: »...
i tried to learn this game since 2008, still cant even play wizard...
I play from 2009 only (not at this account) and know you as good Wizard.0 -
Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »Wizard have 4 buffs, one completely useless (frostblade) that only have effect on the melee classHexOmega - Dreamweaver wrote: »you are a cleric
you did lvl aoe heal too
it heals others and is not as fast as your other heal, so why lvl it?
frostblade makes phys classes able to attack p.immune mobs; or use status effects on em
(useful in aeu for example)
I hate people who reply without even read the first post, so i quoted myself, but since its to hard to understand i will explain like it was for a kid of 5 years old.
Frostable is a wizard buff. Cast on the wizard himself the buff don't give more damage to the wizard attack. Cast on a melee class the cast add water damage to the normal attacks.
Is it enough clear now?
The guy start the game do you think he care about AEU? He will quest and level, but at least he will know already that frostblade don't give him more magic attack if cast on himself, that's my point.
I just don't wanna see anymore stupid wizard buff themself saying that make them damage more, cause 95% of the wizard say it does, psychic are not better they ask to be buffed saying they have water skills loll, wizard are maybe a class easy to play but i can tell you that majority of them don't even know that frostblade don't add water damage to the water skills. When i ask a wizard why he buff people in caster (in a squad of just AA), he don't answer me chi (i even wonder if a wizz on my server have it lvl 11...), they all answered me :''Duh i buff cause that add damage''...
For the AOE heal why i level it? Cause its the only AOE heal that you are not stick in a blue ball, more you level it more the range and the heal is high, but AOE heal also heal myself ijs...frostblade don't add damage to the wizard himself... unless you are a ASP fists wizard but i don't think so.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »I hate people who reply without even read the first post, so i quoted myself, but since its to hard to understand i will explain like it was for a kid of 5 years old.
Frostable is a wizard buff. Cast on the wizard himself the buff don't give more damage to the wizard attack. Cast on a melee class the cast add water damage to the normal attacks.
Is it enough clear now?
The guy start the game do you think he care about AEU? He will quest and level, but at least he will know already that frostblade don't give him more magic attack if cast on himself, that's my point.
I just don't wanna see anymore stupid wizard buff themself saying that make them damage more, cause 95% of the wizard say it does, psychic are not better they ask to be buffed saying they have water skills loll, wizard are maybe a class easy to play but i can tell you that majority of them don't even know that frostblade don't add water damage to the water skills. When i ask a wizard why he buff people in caster (in a squad of just AA), he don't answer me chi (i even wonder if a wizz on my server have it lvl 11...), they all answered me :''Duh i buff cause that add damage''...
For the AOE heal why i level it? Cause its the only AOE heal that you are not stick in a blue ball, more you level it more the range and the heal is high, but AOE heal also heal myself ijs...frostblade don't add damage to the wizard himself... unless you are a ASP fists wizard but i don't think so.
I am a wizard, I am from harshlands and I have level 11 frostblade. As does every wizard I personally know. So you clearly don't know many wizards.
Main reason to get level 11 frostblade? It gives 20 chi instead of the 10 chi that level 10 gives. Chi = fundamental to a wizard's specialist abilities. So the fact that you call it "useless" clearly demonstrates your lack of reasoning behind your opinion.0 -
RebeI - Harshlands wrote: »I am a wizard, I am from harshlands and I have level 11 frostblade. As does every wizard I personally know. So you clearly don't know many wizards.
Main reason to get level 11 frostblade? It gives 20 chi instead of the 10 chi that level 10 gives. Chi = fundamental to a wizard's specialist abilities. So the fact that you call it "useless" clearly demonstrates your lack of reasoning behind your opinion.
As buff, are you guys are totally stupid for not understand, the buff on you do ****** nothing, i don't speak about chi or about on a other class.
Look like wizards are really stupid for not understand that i say frostblade don't add damage to wizard skills....level 1, 11 or 162.
I give up...[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Whacking Dryads out of west gate w/o ~2.4k dmg; w/FB ~3k.Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.0
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Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »As buff, are you guys are totally stupid for not understand, the buff on you do ****** nothing, i don't speak about chi or about on a other class.
Look like wizards are really stupid for not understand that i say frostblade don't add damage to wizard skills....level 1, 11 or 162.
I give up...
b:laugh
It adds dmg to your melee attacks, so it's not useless
APS Wiz ftw0 -
Radamanthys - Heavens Tear wrote: »b:laugh
It adds dmg to your melee attacks, so it's not useless
APS Wiz ftw
..and according to the mystic I spent 5 minutes arguing with in a caster vana, Absorb Soul too.0
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