New SOT boss sucks

Deadly_Force - Raging Tide

i spend ages making this toon (sin) and getting gear just to have a new boss that slaughters aps..
well ty pwi full squad and we just keep die'in
is it in the contence of the squad that does it cos no barb??
had seeker sin sin cleric archer bm
old bosses that'd be a fine build but not now..
please explain how ya supposed to do it now a days..
Thank you

Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary

Deadly_Force - Raging Tide wrote: »

i spend ages making this toon (sin) and getting gear just to have a new boss that slaughters aps..
well ty pwi full squad and we just keep die'in
is it in the contence of the squad that does it cos no barb??
had seeker sin sin cleric archer bm
old bosses that'd be a fine build but not now..
please explain how ya supposed to do it now a days..
Thank you

There are numerous threads how to kill the new bosses, you can`t just aps herpa derp anymore at seat boss.

_Mg_Zr - Heavens Tear

Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary wrote: »

There are numerous threads how to kill the new bosses, you can`t just aps herpa derp anymore at seat boss.

Yeah instead of pressing 2 buttons you need to press mabye 6+, all you need to do is have a barb in squad and control your aggro.

Deadly_Force - Raging Tide

well im having a good wine.. the ammount a **** u get from handing in a bh is bull u need soo many slots open to get **** u dont want

Deadly_Force - Raging Tide

_Mg_Zr - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Yeah instead of pressing 2 buttons you need to press mabye 6+, all you need to do is have a barb in squad and control your aggro.

i usually press many more than 2 buttons mate just cos thats all that sum do..
and yay for multi threads i dont have time to sift through crud and people like me qqing
im just pissed that i built this toon ages ago and now they have f'd it.
i enjoyed killing things quickly so i can do other things..
anywho im done venting sorry for waisting your time.

Aewyn - Raging Tide

3 sins 2 bm 1 cleric full aps

all spark + HF + GS + Mire and cya Captation

these work for me

oh i remember all or nothing, win or die, only chance :P

ciao

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

If sins are QQing then it must mean the game is moving slowly in the right direction.

Shdknght - Dreamweaver

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

If sins are QQing then it must mean the game is moving slowly in the right direction.

Not gonna hold my breath but it be a start for once, good way to "Nerf" sins instead of the whole aps nerfing thing and by the way am just sayin it be nice if pwi actually went back to its "ole" ways of teamwork and not speed -_-

Empu - Sanctuary

_Mg_Zr - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Yeah instead of pressing 2 buttons you need to press mabye 6+, all you need to do is have a barb in squad and control your aggro.

Still using just 2, spark + skill macro b:avoid

Actually there are quite some bms/seekers/sins/archers (from most likely to less likely)that can tank it. However, they need pretty good gear and some braincells (till now I still have to come across a seeker that actually uses his angels correctly b:surrender) whereas a barb can do it easily with TT90s gear.

I really don't get all the QQ about these bosses. I also died quite some times to figure out how they work. BH aba and seat aren't worth soloing anymore for me, even if I still can. On the other hand, bosses are fast to get to and easily done unwined. Not a bad trade-off imo.

knightsdarksoul

Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary wrote: »

you can`t just aps herpa derp anymore at seat boss.

Yeah you can, but need to be able to actually tank . Sadly to many aps classes don't know how to and have got lazy relying on BP to heal their poor 5-6k HP
Simple hint: If you can't tank don'y try to take agro

Desdi - Sanctuary

I can't help it but lol at all the QQ about these bosses. Come on, they aren't that hard. You just need something other than *gasp* sins in your squad.

Get someone who can tank the SOT boss. Not necessarily a barb. Anyone that has the HP to survive it. Cleric should BB or IH + Purify (the bleed), whatever works for the squad. The most important, don't steal aggro from the tank. You can also bring a veno to purge the healing buff of the boss if necessary.

knightsdarksoul

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

I can't help it but lol at all the QQ about these bosses. Come on, they aren't that hard. You just need something other than *gasp* sins in your squad.

Don't get me wrong there are alot of good Sin's out there with the gear and/or ability to tank pretty much anything. But that's not all Sins, they feel that because they were able to tank the old bosses then there must be some kind of unwritten rule that says they should be able to tank everything.
But hey gratz you got +10 Daggers, now how about improving your armour shards and refines higher than +4 so you can tank sh*t

Cotillion - Dreamweaver

Shdknght - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Not gonna hold my breath but it be a start for once, good way to "Nerf" sins instead of the whole aps nerfing thing and by the way am just sayin it be nice if pwi actually went back to its "ole" ways of teamwork and not speed -_-

It's not even about the APS. This is filtering out what it should, IMO. All these Sins who get their mediocre g13 daggers to +8 or more at 5aps, barely bothering to refine anything else sitting at 5~6k HP thinking their gods and can tank/solo anything. If a Sin wants to tank now....he's gotta earn it via actually refining his gear (other than daggers) past +3 or +4 (*gasp*)
Sure Sins who are 5aps and have 13k HP or whatever can tank it....so can any other class with that much HP and can hold aggro.
Its filtering out a lot of mediocrity that passed for godliness...and this is speaking as a Sin who cannot tank aba/sot BH's anymore.

Foxy_Fiona - Heavens Tear

OMGERD! The OP went in with a crappy APS squad and didn't get BH done. Shut. Down. Everything.

Deadly_Force - Raging Tide

It's not even about the APS. This is filtering out what it should, IMO. All these Sins who get their mediocre g13 daggers to +
[/LIST]8 or more at 5aps, barely bothering to refine anything else sitting at 5~6k HP thinking their gods and can tank/solo anything. If a Sin wants to tank now....he's gotta earn it via actually refining his gear (other than daggers) past +3 or +4 (*gasp*)
Sure Sins who are 5aps and have 13k HP or whatever can tank it....so can any other class with that much HP and can hold aggro.
Its filtering out a lot of mediocrity that passed for godliness...and this is speaking as a Sin who cannot tank aba/sot BH's anymore.[/QUOTE]

as a point of interest i have good gear +10 armors josd's vits and dot's
10770 base hp the first hit is like 16k deaden nerves solves that but still..
i wasnt in the most amazing squad and theie for we went splat..
i shouldnt have to pair up with others with top notch gear just to do a bh
(wepon +12 netherworld guidance sac int vit 2 garnets)
thats all i beleived it to be a bit over the top..

HexOmega - Dreamweaver

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

If sins are QQing then it must mean the game is moving slowly in the right direction.

b:chuckle

knightsdarksoul wrote: »

Yeah you can, but need to be able to actually tank . Sadly to many aps classes don't know how to and have got lazy relying on BP to heal their poor 5-6k HP
Simple hint: If you can't tank don'y try to take agro

well, time to get armor and weapon refines to equal lvls now
defense and hp is far more important now

it was before if ppl planned on doing TT but all they did was nirvana :x
+12 rank 9 dagger and 4k hp - what has been seen.. cannot be unseen

Empu - Sanctuary

HexOmega - Dreamweaver wrote: »

well, time to get armor and weapon refines to equal lvls now
defense and hp is far more important now

it was before if ppl planned on doing TT but all they did was nirvana :x
+12 rank 9 dagger and 4k hp - what has been seen.. cannot be unseen

I vote they change the 1st nirvana boss (at least) in something similar to the new aba/seat bosses ! b:laugh

Haila - Sanctuary

Empu - Sanctuary wrote: »

I vote they change the 1st nirvana boss (at least) in something similar to the new aba/seat bosses ! b:laugh

I vote make every TT, normal nirvana, caster nirvana bosses like SoT bh boss,
I will be everybody's friend b:nosebleed

Desdi - Sanctuary

Deadly_Force - Raging Tide wrote: »

i wasnt in the most amazing squad and theie for we went splat..
i shouldnt have to pair up with others with top notch gear just to do a bh
(wepon +12 netherworld guidance sac int vit 2 garnets)
thats all i beleived it to be a bit over the top..

You don't need top tier gear for do this new bh. You need people you don't rely on Bloodpaint to be healed and people who will hold back a little and let the tank do their job (whatever class that may be) even if the boss will take...oh dear...a few more seconds to kill.

If people think you need OP gear for the new content that was added with this mini expansion...they are doing something wrong. Very wrong.

Reshanta - Sanctuary

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

If sins are QQing then it must mean the game is moving slowly in the right direction.

So the game will stop being boring?

Safeng - Sanctuary

What.

We killed it just fine with barb, cleric, 2 bms and 2 sins. Of course it took us ages due to the lack of magical DD but overall it seemed ten times more idiot proof than abaddon boss. lol

Desdi - Sanctuary

Safeng - Sanctuary wrote: »

but overall it seemed ten times more idiot proof than abaddon boss. lol

Win xD

Foxy_Fiona - Heavens Tear

I don't think gear is the problem. It's been nearly 2 weeks now and some APS people are still crying because they are unable to connect the dots and adapt. The problem is obviously between the keyboard and chair.

I don't care how much money people dumped into their sins. They need to accept the fact that they can't tank everything and start adding classes that can tank these bosses if they are sick of eating dirt. They would also need to cut back on the damage a little and let the tank do it's job, but it would be a lot faster than party wiping 5 times and waiting for the cleric to run back to rez everybody. Amirite? Unfortunately, the concept of backing off so they don't steal aggro is something that does not compute for most sins. b:chuckle

The new Abaddon boss with a mostly APS squad was... amusing.

_Mg_Zr - Heavens Tear

Foxy_Fiona - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I don't think gear is the problem. It's been nearly 2 weeks now and some APS people are still crying because they are unable to connect the dots and adapt. The problem is obviously between the keyboard and chair.

I don't care how much money people dumped into their sins. They need to accept the fact that they can't tank everything and start adding classes that can tank these bosses if they are sick of eating dirt. They would also need to cut back on the damage a little and let the tank do it's job, but it would be a lot faster than party wiping 5 times and waiting for the cleric to run back to rez everybody. Amirite? Unfortunately, the concept of backing off so they don't steal aggro is something that does not compute for most sins. b:chuckle

The new Abaddon boss with a mostly APS squad was... amusing.

Funny, as soon as (most) sins have to think half as much as any other class has to when killing stuff. They have a brain **** and die.

eraldus

Deadly_Force - Raging Tide wrote: »

i spend ages making this toon (sin) and getting gear just to have a new boss that slaughters aps..
well ty pwi full squad and we just keep die'in
is it in the contence of the squad that does it cos no barb??
had seeker sin sin cleric archer bm
old bosses that'd be a fine build but not now..
please explain how ya supposed to do it now a days..
Thank you

You sir, are the reason that I vote for them to put new bosses like this on nirvana and TT too.

It must suck having use your brain to play. b:shutup

P.S: I bet this guy will start asking for ppl to link him their weapon now lol.

bearyflair

Another "QQ can't APS boss to death QQ" thread. Learn how to not rely on APS so much and you'll do just fine. I swear that ppl got so used to APS on their toons that they dunno how to fight when they can't APS stuff to death. It's not like you absolutely need to kill the new bosses in 5 secs, they won't kill you if you take your time. They'll only kill you if you rush them.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

Deadly_Force - Raging Tide wrote: »

i spend ages making this toon (sin) and getting gear just to have a new boss that slaughters aps..
well ty pwi full squad and we just keep die'in
is it in the contence of the squad that does it cos no barb??
had seeker sin sin cleric archer bm
old bosses that'd be a fine build but not now..
please explain how ya supposed to do it now a days..
Thank you

Seriously people who complain are probably really bad geared, i just did today on my mystic lvl99, with a cleric with 3.5k hp and normals people, we was 2 myst, 1 cleric, 1 barb, 1 archer and 1 wizz, just TROLOLOLOL we did without sin and bm that was super fast and super easy no one die, so you guys should maybe post ur pwi calc when complaining cause i think the problem is ur gears or you don't know how to play.

WnbTank - Archosaur

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

Seriously people who complain are probably really bad geared, i just did today on my mystic lvl99, with a cleric with 3.5k hp and normals people, we was 2 myst, 1 cleric, 1 barb, 1 archer and 1 wizz, just TROLOLOLOL we did without sin and bm that was super fast and super easy no one die, so you guys should maybe post ur pwi calc when complaining cause i think the problem is ur gears or you don't know how to play.

The problem to me is the need for barb. There are simply so few barbs on Archo that getting my BHs done on sin w/o dualing on the barb the same time is just frustrating. I really dont feel like +10ing my sins armors is reasonable to simply tank a freaking BH boss. BHs were never a problem and all that was achieved was harder time for "normal" ppl to get their BHs done.

Dreao - Harshlands

Sins have skills for a reason, Use them.. Unless you can get this kind of sin: http://www.pwcalc.com/0ed947956aa92e4f Witch I highly doublt unless you have exactly 0% of a life.

_Ghoul_ - Lost City

Deadly_Force - Raging Tide wrote: »

i spend ages making this toon (sin) and getting gear just to have a new boss that slaughters aps..
well ty pwi full squad and we just keep die'in
is it in the contence of the squad that does it cos no barb??
had seeker sin sin cleric archer bm
old bosses that'd be a fine build but not now..
please explain how ya supposed to do it now a days..
Thank you

i to was used to always be tank then aps come along and stole it from me qq now it goten back where it belong to barb again me happy your not to bad maybe in two year you can have ur tank role back.

b:surrender see what i did there

barb used to always tank so now its back with us barbs in a hostle aps era b:bye

knightsdarksoul

Meh both SoT and Aba bosses aint that hard, just solo'd them both on my BM . Only using my own class buff, No Hp buff, No BP , No cleric buffs.
And I didn't even aps them and took less than 5 minutes
Seriously cannot see why a full squad would struggle.