Clerics! Fight Back!

AriesBreath - Raging Tide

EtherbIade - Harshlands wrote: »

Some are, some other are not, depend who. b:chuckle

Exactly. Now apply this to your original statement.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

Demon spirit gift

tweakz

Doom_Panda - Harshlands wrote: »

Sage is better suited for support because of the heals, buffs, longer lasting seals and attack skills having the chance to not use up sparks or the chance to gain more chi.

Because available chi has no effect on DD. -lol

Eoria - Harshlands

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

I'd argue the cultis equal enough in MMM. Sage clerics can at least heal themselves in MMM and have longer sleep/seals.

The damage increase in metal mage mode is so laughably miniscule that they might as well have not implemented it at all.

Demon Wield, Spirit's Gift, Tempest, freeze/sleep, and hell, even the reduced cooldowns on Razor Feathers and Siren's Kiss are just so much better suited for metal maging that I seriously wonder whenever I see sage clerics trying to be metal mages in PVP.

Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

The damage increase in metal mage mode is so laughably miniscule that they might as well have not implemented it at all.

Demon Wield, Spirit's Gift, Tempest, freeze/sleep, and hell, even the reduced cooldowns on Razor Feathers and Siren's Kiss are just so much better suited for metal maging that I seriously wonder whenever I see sage clerics trying to be metal mages in PVP.

But the animation is sooo cool , we need those , we are the ones with the shiney skills

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear wrote: »

But the animation is sooo cool , we need those , we are the ones with the shiney skills

.... i don't use skills cause they a pretty when cast ....

You prolly use siren kiss beside tempest... xD

SerenityCNB - Dreamweaver

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

Killls 2 afk players, dies, releases, chases a player into SZ. Trash talks the whole time. Pro video.

...This, basically...

No offense, but killing 2 afk people, as a +10/+12, partially jaded R9 geared cleric and doing what seems to be bragging about it, as well as biting off more than you can chew, dying, and then running feeling that your power ran a R9, fully jaded, +12 archer away kind of looks bad on your part. You really didn't have any competition in the video, and for the most part...people were either afk or running from you. I don't doubt that you're capable of a great deal...but this video does a very poor job of advertising that.

tweakz

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

The damage increase in metal mage mode is so laughably miniscule that they might as well have not implemented it at all.

Demon Wield, Spirit's Gift, Tempest, freeze/sleep, and hell, even the reduced cooldowns on Razor Feathers and Siren's Kiss are just so much better suited for metal maging that I seriously wonder whenever I see sage clerics trying to be metal mages in PVP.

^^ this. They took an already strong class; gave it invigorate skill which works on whole party's skills (BH SoT anyone?), and no penalty on heals. Mystic is so much more mp efficient, so much better dd, and in certain situations a better healer. This skill was kinda a slap to clerics.

Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

.... i don't use skills cause they a pretty when cast ....

You prolly use siren kiss beside tempest... xD

You got me there XD.

I find Siren's Kiss useful for extra AoE ans Freeze. But i still has it at lvl 1 , not in a hurry about it.

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver

Mrs_Mav - Raging Tide wrote: »

Well nobody obviously has played a cleric right. There are pretty much 2 ways. Support: stand behind your squad heal/pury like a boss etc. Or in my case, when there is NO squad. Own. I agree, if you wanna be a pro support cleric DON'T play like this. Anyone can heal and purify, but can YOU make a full r9 +12 jade archer run to SZ in a 1v1?

Isn't that why most people make a cleric in the first place?
To be a cleric?

Ashivas - Dreamweaver

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Isn't that why most people make a cleric in the first place?
To be a cleric?

No, they make a cleric to DD. Trust me, or any cleric I've ever ran an instance with while on an alt. They'll vouch for me.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Isn't that why most people make a cleric in the first place?
To be a cleric?

90% of the clerics are pretty much stupid and play like it was a mage.
Yes some cleric (pure magic R9 or weapon with high shard ref) could have a decent damage, but unfortunately they forget that a cleric job is to keep squad alive before DD.
I see some clerics (more than you can imagine) let everyone in squad die and DD beside heal, i have nothing against people who try different build on a class, but if someone want to be a main DD, cleric is not the good class.

Sometime in caster, one or even the two clerics turn in metal form and don't heal at all and when people die and rage at cleric asking for heal, the cleric answer: ''your problem if you die.'', in a FC one day the cleric was QQing in squad chat cause he had a harpy on him after the pull in FC, i was on my veno so i start DD on harpy to save the cleric and the cleric goes in middle of exp room RB and let me die without heal me and didnt ress me and told me: ''your fault next time use hp pots.'', its like dude you QQ you die i help you and you don't heal me and don't ress me saying its my fault.

In that game i totally lost respect in the majority of clerics, i don't know why people chose to play cleric class if they don't want heal, buff and ress.

MrMelvin - Heavens Tear

Ashivas - Dreamweaver wrote: »

No, they make a cleric to DD. Trust me, or any cleric I've ever ran an instance with while on an alt. They'll vouch for me.

This is very much true. I have given up making a BM, Barb, Veno, Sin and Psy because every Cleric I come across in FF decides to DD rather than heal. Even yesterday running Advanced Endless Universe on Mystic we had 2 Clerics (same faction) who were trying to DD while people were dying, in the end both Clerics kept dying and I took over all the healing, both Clerics then left and made me wish I went for my Morai support skills first.

My Cleric is used for support only unless in Caster Nirvana then I DD a tad.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

90% of the clerics are pretty much stupid and play like it was a mage.
Yes some cleric (pure magic R9 or weapon with high shard ref) could have a decent damage, but unfortunately they forget that a cleric job is to keep squad alive before DD.
I see some clerics (more than you can imagine) let everyone in squad die and DD beside heal, i have nothing against people who try different build on a class, but if someone want to be a main DD, cleric is not the good class.

Sometime in caster, one or even the two clerics turn in metal form and don't heal at all and when people die and rage at cleric asking for heal, the cleric answer: ''your problem if you die.'', in a FC one day the cleric was QQing in squad chat cause he had a harpy on him after the pull in FC, i was on my veno so i start DD on harpy to save the cleric and the cleric goes in middle of exp room RB and let me die without heal me and didnt ress me and told me: ''your fault next time use hp pots.'', its like dude you QQ you die i help you and you don't heal me and don't ress me saying its my fault.

In that game i totally lost respect in the majority of clerics, i don't know why people chose to play cleric class if they don't want heal, buff and ress.

Again this is very true, countless times on alts (mentioned above) have I died in FF because the Cleric has wondered off to DD mobs, taken aggro/been attacked by a Harpy. When I played my Wizard I would always put myself in danger to aid a Cleric, now depending on how well they play the class, I just let them die (often not even putting res buff on them to make them run around)

When I play my Cleric it is for supporting, if I want to DD I use my Mystic. I wish more people would be like myself and stick to a supporting role whilst playing a support class.

@OP:

Yes Clerics are good in PvP but still Clerics are for a supporting role but I don't blame you for doing something different and actually going in for kills, especially with that gear, but then again, making a video to show PvP with R9 is pointless, it is like entering a demolition derby with a tank, especially when players are not fighting back.

SxeChik - Archosaur

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

90% of the clerics are pretty much stupid and play like it was a mage.
Yes some cleric (pure magic R9 or weapon with high shard ref) could have a decent damage, but unfortunately they forget that a cleric job is to keep squad alive before DD.
I see some clerics (more than you can imagine) let everyone in squad die and DD beside heal, i have nothing against people who try different build on a class, but if someone want to be a main DD, cleric is not the good class.

Sometime in caster, one or even the two clerics turn in metal form and don't heal at all and when people die and rage at cleric asking for heal, the cleric answer: ''your problem if you die.'', in a FC one day the cleric was QQing in squad chat cause he had a harpy on him after the pull in FC, i was on my veno so i start DD on harpy to save the cleric and the cleric goes in middle of exp room RB and let me die without heal me and didnt ress me and told me: ''your fault next time use hp pots.'', its like dude you QQ you die i help you and you don't heal me and don't ress me saying its my fault.

In that game i totally lost respect in the majority of clerics, i don't know why people chose to play cleric class if they don't want heal, buff and ress.

Wow. This gets me on my nerves!!!! Really? b:angry Mainly cuz i'm the cleric in squad, so I've never experienced something like this! OMG, really, if those clerics DO NOT WANT TO heal or actually cannot heal, then choose another freaking class. No point to keep them in squad, we know there are other better mage class which DD way better than cleric.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

SxeChik - Archosaur wrote: »

Wow. This gets me on my nerves!!!! Really? b:angry Mainly cuz i'm the cleric in squad, so I've never experienced something like this! OMG, really, if those clerics DO NOT WANT TO heal or actually cannot heal, then choose another freaking class. No point to keep them in squad, we know there are other better mage class which DD way better than cleric.

That maybe depend of server, but yes, i made a wizz cause i wanted to DD for change and that made me realize how much cleric are bad, just in caster i was dying more than 5 times a run (i have 5.2k hp+ and 7-8k p.def), that was hp charm, using hp pot, base buffs, pan gu essence etc. (just in a run i was able to use 50 crab just to stay alive and many pan gu essence pots)

I think the charm was give the cleric the fake impression they are good, i needed everytime to say: ''sorry but can u just heal please my charm just tick non stop''. (i was burning a hp plat charm in less than a week with just caster),yes a charm is there for tick but as cleric the job is to heal not to DD cause people are charm...

Its the main reason i stopped play wizz, i loved play a DD class, but that was frustrating to dying constantly and see clerics didn't care at all, its why i choose play mystic i'll be able to DD with saving my life if the cleric is too stupid.

I see many clerics plume shot and razor feather on boss in caster and when you told them that don't do damage they say: ''do your job i'll do mine and yes plume shot and razor do damage''....constantly need to ask them to debuff the boss and more clerics we have in squad its worse sometime 3 clerics in squad and they find the way to have dead people and on 3 none debuff the boss.

Sakubatou - Sanctuary

This is off topic, but it follows the current convo.

On my cleric I tend to be healing less and less. That's because the groups of people I run with need less and less healing. But, it's really on a situational basis and obviously switches for harder instances or with nubbier squads. I thought I'd offer a few tips on metal mage healing though.

-First, number one, and foremost, healing is your job and comes first.
-If the squad has paint debuffing a mob is usually just as effective as healing and the mob dies quicker. They get stronger paint heals and because the mob dies quicker they'll recieve less damage.
-Sometimes it's easier just to kill a ranged mob yourself than heal a melee or archer as the mob kites them. If you can take aggro that'll hold the mob in place as it range attacks you but you have to be able to survive.
-Two mobs, one tank? Sleep one, heal the tank and help him kill, then move on to the next.
-Seekers out range most melee mobs with their swords. The same with barbs and axe bms. If you freeze and mob before its in melee range your teammates will typically start attacking outside its range and it won't attack back. No need to heal anyone.
-Cleric DD really kind of sucks. That doesn't mean a well refined cleric, pure builds, or higher leveled clerics can't dish out the dd. They just aren't on par dd wise with everything else. Debuff first for others, then dd. If it comes down to you and another caster killing a mob then debuff for the other and then heal them.
-Don't aggro mobs and make melee chase them.
-You don't need to heal full hp on most people. IH once or twice, move on. So many times I'm attacking something, its doing almost no damage to my barb or bm, and the cleric stands and spams IH.
-Get on the far side of the mobs so you are ahead of your squad. Clerics run slow. If you want to heal and dd then you need to be setup before your squad gets there. Running past the mobs towards where they will be going will gives you a few seconds advantage. Heal/attack from there.
-Heal your tank before they run in. An IH lasts 15 seconds, put one on before they move in and most players will be healed for the next 15 seconds, giving you time to do what you want.

Eoria - Harshlands

Why are you guys bringing PVE into a PVP thread again?

Mrs_Mav - Raging Tide

Lol who cares? Any cleric can stack IH on a tank, or purify people and tag them with WoP or genie skills. In PvP a cleric needs to stay behind their main DDs and keep them alive and away from their squishy AA ***. When do I do squad PK? Like never, so instead of "hiding" and boasting about how "pro" my squad is. I throw money and embarrass kids on my own. Hence why I'm the best.

Sakubatou - Sanctuary

Mrs_Mav - Raging Tide wrote: »

Lol who cares? Any cleric can ...

any cleric can... something about pking afk players and SZ pking.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

Why are you guys bringing PVE into a PVP thread again?

A cleric who can't do a good job in PvE will probably suck hard in PvP as well.

For your question just read the posts of people and you will see why, someone said that cleric job is to heal, someone else say all cleric he see in PvE suck etc.. people now speak about PvE. xD

Decus - Dreamweaver

Mrs_Mav - Raging Tide wrote: »

Hence why I'm the best.

Yep, PKing afk people and trash-talking are all definite qualifications for being the "best."

MrMelvin - Heavens Tear

Mrs_Mav - Raging Tide wrote: »

Any cleric can stack IH on a tank, or purify people and tag them with WoP or genie skills.

I lol'd. You obviously haven't leveled an alt recently.

Niob - Harshlands

Mrs_Mav - Raging Tide wrote: »

Lol who cares? Any cleric can stack IH on a tank, or purify people and tag them with WoP or genie skills. In PvP a cleric needs to stay behind their main DDs and keep them alive and away from their squishy AA ***.

AFAIK it's a bit more complicated. It's an ideal situation when you only need to stack IH on a tank and watch from behind. The other squad members can steal aggro and cause chaos and a cleric should know how to act in such a situation to prevent squad wipe. That and you can steal aggro with heals.

But maybe it would be better if experienced players explained that.

apex1predator

Mrs_Mav - Raging Tide wrote: »

Lol who cares? Any cleric can stack IH on a tank, or purify people and tag them with WoP or genie skills. In PvP a cleric needs to stay behind their main DDs and keep them alive and away from their squishy AA ***. When do I do squad PK? Like never, so instead of "hiding" and boasting about how "pro" my squad is. I throw money and embarrass kids on my own. Hence why I'm the best.

The best? The vids you posted have more to do with the complete lack of skill of your opponents, or them being afk, rather than your skills. Post a vid of you in TW doing your OP roflstomping and we might take your next posts seriously. Untill then youre about as handy in a squad as a sin in caster nerdvana

tsukiamu

Niob - Harshlands wrote: »

AFAIK it's a bit more complicated. It's an ideal situation when you only need to stack IH on a tank and watch from behind. The other squad members can steal aggro and cause chaos and a cleric should know how to act in such a situation to prevent squad wipe. That and you can steal aggro with heals.

But maybe it would be better if experienced players explained that.

I tend to steal aggro and make a mad dash for it. But that's just me. Don't follow my example unless you never want to level. 8'D

SerenityCNB - Dreamweaver

Mrs_Mav - Raging Tide wrote: »

Lol who cares? Any cleric can stack IH on a tank, or purify people and tag them with WoP or genie skills. In PvP a cleric needs to stay behind their main DDs and keep them alive and away from their squishy AA ***. When do I do squad PK? Like never, so instead of "hiding" and boasting about how "pro" my squad is. I throw money and embarrass kids on my own. Hence why I'm the best.

I'm sorry, but it takes much more skill than you're letting off to be able to fully heal a squad. It's much more to it than just healing, purifying, and using WOP on the tank. I cleric's job is FAR more complex than that. It's for that reasoning alone that I've met many people that told me that cleric is a lazy class.

Regarding pvp, I do not pvp, but I do know enough to know that chasing others around and killing afk people with rank 9 gear doesn't make you the best. You can get rank 9, cast 3, +12 everything, with everything that you may have dreamed of, and that doesn't make one the best. It just makes you able to afford overpowered gear and able to afford refining that overpowered gear to be able to unleash even more overpowered damage.

I'm not saying this to be rude to you, or to offend you. I'm saying this because its true.

I've soloed Jewelscalem in my current TT90 gear, had to tank Pole when no one else did, and got his life down to less than half before I finally fell...cleared the first 2 halls in fc on my cleric, am able to fight the mobs in OHT map 4, and survive, have soloed wyvern, soloed Gerneal Feng, and nearly killed Eyes. I'm saying this because that doesn't make me the best either. It makes me able to do things that are within my limitations, and you able to do things that are within yours. It still requires skill to play a cleric. The difference is that you've got a much bigger safety net since you're OP with your gear. (I'm not insulting your gear btw. I'm saying that it gives you a much bigger cushion). That still doesn't constitute being the best...especially when at least 2 of your victims were AFK, and the archer wasn't even trying to fight you.

Not to be rude, but it made you look bad, more than it made you look good.

Mrs_Mav - Raging Tide

Healing gets aggro o.0? I had no idea! Oh man that must be why all my squads die when I FC. Oh, last I checked I soloed FC in TT99. Meh oh well. Anyways, like I said being a cleric is outrageously easy in PvE, IH some randoms, lol at them for dying and having to wait while you roflpwn everything. If any of you can actually afford gear like mine I bet you'd all be the best. Truth is, you can't, so you can enjoy keeping TT80/99 squads alive while I solo every instance when I'm bored of sending full r9 +12/JoSD archers to SZ in PvP.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

Mrs_Mav - Raging Tide wrote: »

Healing gets aggro o.0? I had no idea! Oh man that must be why all my squads die when I FC. Oh, last I checked I soloed FC in TT99. Meh oh well. Anyways, like I said being a cleric is outrageously easy in PvE, IH some randoms, lol at them for dying and having to wait while you roflpwn everything. If any of you can actually afford gear like mine I bet you'd all be the best. Truth is, you can't, so you can enjoy keeping TT80/99 squads alive while I solo every instance when I'm bored of sending full r9 +12/JoSD archers to SZ in PvP.

I think you don't play the good class...

Eoria - Harshlands

Mrs_Mav - Raging Tide wrote: »

Healing gets aggro o.0? I had no idea! Oh man that must be why all my squads die when I FC. Oh, last I checked I soloed FC in TT99. Meh oh well. Anyways, like I said being a cleric is outrageously easy in PvE, IH some randoms, lol at them for dying and having to wait while you roflpwn everything. If any of you can actually afford gear like mine I bet you'd all be the best. Truth is, you can't, so you can enjoy keeping TT80/99 squads alive while I solo every instance when I'm bored of sending full r9 +12/JoSD archers to SZ in PvP.

Your attitude is pretty disgusting.

Decus - Dreamweaver

Mrs_Mav - Raging Tide wrote: »

Truth is, you can't, so you can enjoy keeping TT80/99 squads alive while I solo every instance when I'm bored of sending full r9 +12/JoSD archers to SZ in PvP.

You really crack me up. b:chuckle