Worth this game?

Zorish - Harshlands
Zorish - Harshlands Posts: 310 Arc User
edited May 2012 in General Discussion
I feel like PW is dead. No one to party, only I see being done is FC... I don't see people going for TT, or doing instances.

It's all about levelling and nothing else. Is this game really gone?b:sad
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  • John_Smith - Harshlands
    John_Smith - Harshlands Posts: 865 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    More or less.

    Can still find some fun if you try hard tho. Just gotta find the right friends.
    I've quit excluding TW for my faction. But I still hang around to help out those who still enjoy the game under PWEs horrific handling and to have fun in the forums. b:cute
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  • Odinna - Dreamweaver
    Odinna - Dreamweaver Posts: 106 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    All days are the same, log in, do BH100, do morai, a couple o Nirvy runs and thats all xD

    We need more interesting content. Looks like ppl is only interested in get lvl and money with no fun.
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  • ZoracGallant - Raging Tide
    ZoracGallant - Raging Tide Posts: 1,624 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Zorish - Harshlands wrote: »
    Is this game really gone?b:sad

    Almost

    If you find it enjoyable keep playing, but the only way it's going to stay enjoyable is if you can find people that like yourself find it enjoyable. Join or Start a faction that is dedicated to DOING things not just dailies and TW and you will have more fun. Ignore those that tell you the game is dead or dieing or just complaining to complain. The only important thing is if you and your friends can still have fun when playing, when you can't say yes to that then the game is dead for you.
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  • Zorish - Harshlands
    Zorish - Harshlands Posts: 310 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    That's my point. I have lvl 73 Cleric, and all I can do is Daily (when by miracle I find a squad after spamming for 40 min) and FC.

    I got a Shop account with 40m doing around 500k each day (not much) selling stuffs, which is good enough to pay for my FC runs and hypers, but even finding FC for that lvl is hard!

    And then if I don't have much time per day to play I can afford to die or weird things, like a guy selling FC (B+M+H) when we were all 7x with no high lvl... it was just dumb, paying to do all the work (like healing, risking to die, etc).

    I've tried several guilds. All were "do you GBQ, we will help". I never got a single run of TT, not even for fun. People just say "it's cheaper to farm your coins and buy TT mats" I've never done all TT's.

    It was one of my objectives, to get the feel of every run at my level, but people just don't risk dying, or don't "waste" that time. I mean, how can you feel happy about your TT gear when you never work for it, you just bought it.I'm not saying get all the mats, but do several runs, become an experienced player. Nowadays that just don't happen, is all levels and refines, nothing else. No feel of discovering your class in TT/elsewhere.

    I've never been able to do Phoenix Valley, and I've tried so much...
  • XTrigger - Archosaur
    XTrigger - Archosaur Posts: 88 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Zorish - Harshlands wrote: »
    It was one of my objectives, to get the feel of every run at my level, but people just don't risk dying, or don't "waste" that time. I mean, how can you feel happy about your TT gear when you never work for it, you just bought it.I'm not saying get all the mats, but do several runs, become an experienced player. Nowadays that just don't happen, is all levels and refines, nothing else. No feel of discovering your class in TT/elsewhere.

    I remember back in the day, me and my guildies tried our first ever TT 1-1, only 1 of us was over 60, 61 to be exact. Everyone else was in their 50s, even had a 40s veno. Everyone had crappy mold/2*/3* gear with **** shards and refines. Come to think of it, not sure we knew what refines were at the time lol. Squad makeup was 2 barbs, archer, cleric and 2 venos.

    Back when dying and trying new stuff was fun b:chuckle
  • Zorish - Harshlands
    Zorish - Harshlands Posts: 310 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    XTrigger - Archosaur wrote: »
    I remember back in the day, me and my guildies tried our first ever TT 1-1, only 1 of us was over 60, 61 to be exact. Everyone else was in their 50s, even had a 40s veno. Everyone had crappy mold/2*/3* gear with **** shards and refines. Come to think of it, not sure we knew what refines were at the time lol. Squad makeup was 2 barbs, archer, cleric and 2 venos.

    Back when dying and trying new stuff was fun b:chuckle

    I remember! Dying to that Drummer, stupid AoE, not having Charm was frustrating, buy yet we would find a way to make it by... those were happy times
  • SylenThunder - Twilight Temple
    SylenThunder - Twilight Temple Posts: 7,908
    edited May 2012
    Odinna - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    All days are the same, log in, do BH100, do morai, a couple o Nirvy runs and thats all xD

    We need more interesting content. Looks like ppl is only interested in get lvl and money with no fun.

    It's not so much that the game lacks content, there's just no desire from the active player base to participate in it.
    No matter what content would get added, (like Morai), people are only interested in doing it if it helps them level and/or make money.
    That's what you get from BH, packs, and breaking FCC.
    Until they fix those back to the way they used to be, the player base is going to be mostly hyper noobs that don't care about anything. (By the way they used to be, I mean no BH, FCC was actually run for mats and quests, not to be sold for exp, and packs weren't giving people super gear way easy while ruining the in-game economy.)

    I just log in and try to get a full Delta for chrono and chat with faction. That's pretty much been how I play since last November. Still don't have my chrono done. Either there's no squads for anything past BH, or the squads that want to do a full run don't have a clue how to do it.
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  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    People don't do TT because Nirvana is better money/time, especially since the 3-x difficulty change.

    People don't do Nirvana because they're waiting for 2x drops.

    People don't do BH unless it's 100 because FCC is better exp/time.

    People don't do regular FCC because buying heads is better exp/time.

    People still do BH100.
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  • RandomDent - Dreamweaver
    RandomDent - Dreamweaver Posts: 70 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    This game has successfully driven off most of the players interested in challenges or exploration. The gear achiever types are the only ones who will spend thousands of dollars on pixels, so they are the only type of gamer pw cares about.

    I had a dream last weekend about a game that was challenging from level 1, players were all working together instead of competing for loot or points and everyone was having a ton of fun. Then I woke up and all I had to play was PWI......
    See, I can hyper a nub up like the rest of yas!
  • OIdpop - Heavens Tear
    OIdpop - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,052 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Every freakin peice of this game has great content..its you the people that are blind.Yeah alot are for the lvl to make their next 100 toon a jobber ,but indeed the quest around the land is there for you to indulge in,but most of you seem to be in some rush and dont play the game for what its worth.
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  • scarfaceclaw
    scarfaceclaw Posts: 443 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    this game is dead this game is dead this game is dead this game is dead this game is dead this game is dead this game is dead this game is dead this game is dead this game is dead this game is dead this game is dead this game is dead this game is dead this game is dead

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    if u dont want to play any more go away, dont moan in the forums about it.
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  • Kinjeto - Raging Tide
    Kinjeto - Raging Tide Posts: 564 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Odinna - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    All days are the same, log in, do BH100, do morai, a couple o Nirvy runs and thats all xD

    We need more interesting content. Looks like ppl is only interested in get lvl and money with no fun.

    Yeah and by doing that you create a system that is story based that inspires players to actually interact with their environment, or explore their environment. b:laugh
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  • Kinjeto - Raging Tide
    Kinjeto - Raging Tide Posts: 564 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    RandomDent - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    This game has successfully driven off most of the players interested in challenges or exploration. The gear achiever types are the only ones who will spend thousands of dollars on pixels, so they are the only type of gamer pw cares about.

    I had a dream last weekend about a game that was challenging from level 1, players were all working together instead of competing for loot or points and everyone was having a ton of fun. Then I woke up and all I had to play was PWI......


    You know I must of had exactly the same dream. A game with a gripping personal storyline. Large bosses that inspired me to fight them, a not so gear based/class system and a game that was more skill-used and situation based. Funny thing that. I must of woken up in heaven. Shame these things can't come to reality.
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  • Cody_tylor - Sanctuary
    Cody_tylor - Sanctuary Posts: 248 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Zorish - Harshlands wrote: »
    I remember! Dying to that Drummer, stupid AoE, not having Charm was frustrating, buy yet we would find a way to make it by... those were happy times

    Now come to think of it, I remembered when my barb was level 30ish, went with a cleric level 40ish and another veno with a magmite at level 40ish I kept going in TT1-1 with a level 80 veno with herc tanking it xD. Although there was no problems, it was rather fun to goof off there.
    Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »
    People don't do TT because Nirvana is better money/time, especially since the 3-x difficulty change.

    There are still people who do TT, it is just that it is more rare because there are more people who have the gear already, you need TT gear to make shadow nirvana equips. Same thing for lunar for light nirvana equips like cascade glow. Also it is even more rare if they do TT during 1x

    People don't do Nirvana because they're waiting for 2x drops.

    True

    People don't do BH unless it's 100 because FCC is better exp/time.

    FC is easier than BH with higher exp gain

    People don't do regular FCC because buying heads is better exp/time.

    This does not help people in anyway at all... because that is coin sinking there. How many incompetent players we have because of this? Of course newer players without $$$ will end up quitting or just being laughable because they could not properly use their character

    People still do BH100.

    People are pampered way too much in terms of exp. BH100 isn't good enough for frost babies who don't CS because they will fail with just using way outdated gear b:laugh
    OIdpop - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Every freakin peice of this game has great content..its you the people that are blind.Yeah alot are for the lvl to make their next 100 toon a jobber ,but indeed the quest around the land is there for you to indulge in,but most of you seem to be in some rush and dont play the game for what its worth.

    I can't say all content are great.... Yes, the people are lazy / blind / weak. Level 100 becomes laughable b:laugh . I rather take a strong level 50 than a weak level 100 any day in squads. Almost no one plays the game anymore. +1 to this.
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  • Cofari - Heavens Tear
    Cofari - Heavens Tear Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    I completely aggree, there is nothing left to do in this game. For example today all I did was:

    -
    • Ran FC with a bunch of randoms
    • Did Warsong metal a couple times and killed fire boss just for the fun of it
    • Ran a few Caster Nirvy runs on my wizzie
    • Ran a caster nirvy run on my sin using wizzie buff & apothecary just for fun
    • Killed that big ugly lizard in Wraithslayer missive kill quest
    • Did the Morai kill quest and the faction base kill quest
    • Ran the base trial defending the towers with my faction
    • Played around with a world boss for a bit
    • Ran the cube of fate
    • Tanked a BH 59 cause I haven't been in there in forever
    • Dueled some random people while hanging around in different areas
    -

    Yep, absolutely nothing to do in the game.
  • XTrigger - Archosaur
    XTrigger - Archosaur Posts: 88 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Kinjeto - Raging Tide wrote: »

    You know I must of had exactly the same dream. A game with a gripping personal storyline. Large bosses that inspired me to fight them, a not so gear based/class system and a game that was more skill-used and situation based. Funny thing that. I must of woken up in heaven. Shame these things can't come to reality.

    Sad thing is PWI has a decent storyline, but I bet nobody knows what it is ....
  • tientiensuser
    tientiensuser Posts: 168 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Stories are rarely read in MMOs. Even in console games where they force the player to watch cutscenes, a substantial number of them would rather be doing something else.

    I suggest in the future, MMOs should include cutscenes or dialogue that appears in the game while you play. To force the player to hear it or watch it. Its an MMO, so most players are only interested in the game. There is this rat race feeling in MMOs where players just want to reach end.
  • Smarie - Sanctuary
    Smarie - Sanctuary Posts: 60 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Zorish - Harshlands wrote: »
    I feel like PW is dead. No one to party, only I see being done is FC... I don't see people going for TT, or doing instances.

    It's all about levelling and nothing else. Is this game really gone?b:sad
    This is why I quit playing a year ago. I was thinking about coming back, but now that I've read some of the forums, maybe not so much..
    SylenThunder - Sanctuary wrote: »
    It's not so much that the game lacks content, there's just no desire from the active player base to participate in it.
    No matter what content would get added, (like Morai), people are only interested in doing it if it helps them level and/or make money.
    That's what you get from BH, packs, and breaking FCC.
    Until they fix those back to the way they used to be, the player base is going to be mostly hyper noobs that don't care about anything...
    I concur. The reason I quit playing a year ago is because the only thing anyone ever did was pretty much BH, and most of the people in random squads were complete idiots when it came to working together as a team.
    RandomDent - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    This game has successfully driven off most of the players interested in challenges or exploration. The gear achiever types are the only ones who will spend thousands of dollars on pixels, so they are the only type of gamer pw cares about...
    Sure packs didn't help, and ways to hyper level didn't help either. I think the issue lies more with the player base.
    I remember back when I started people were fun, and we explored the game together. Now all the new players only care about leveling and getting super gear. The problem is that new players wanting to level fast spend more money that those of us oldies that enjoyed the storyline and the experience more. That's what originally pulled me to PWI over some of the other games, the experience was awesome. Looks like now it's mostly a headache.
  • Zorish - Harshlands
    Zorish - Harshlands Posts: 310 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Guess It's *** time b:victory

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  • Deceptistar - Sanctuary
    Deceptistar - Sanctuary Posts: 10,454 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Zorish - Harshlands wrote: »
    I feel like PW is dead. No one to party, only I see being done is FC... I don't see people going for TT, or doing instances.

    It's all about levelling and nothing else. Is this game really gone?b:sad
    i think most pple are just waiting for others to start it off first.... you know... like how your doing now >.>

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  • ResMePls - Heavens Tear
    ResMePls - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,349 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    N0pe.
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  • Desdi - Sanctuary
    Desdi - Sanctuary Posts: 8,680 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »
    i think most pple are just waiting for others to start it off first.... you know... like how your doing now >.>

    BOB: "I dont see [insert instance/activity] nowadays."
    FRED: "Well why not you start those?"
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    FRED: /facepalm


    So true. A lot of people usually wait for others to form squads then cry there's no squads around for what they want lol.
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  • Zorish - Harshlands
    Zorish - Harshlands Posts: 310 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »
    So true. A lot of people usually wait for others to form squads then cry there's no squads around for what they want lol.

    Problem is that if you form a squad you're supposed to know what are you doing. I'm no expert in TT's nor un Gamma, or whatever.

    Plus I really don't feel like wasting 200k on Tele till a get someone
  • _Petal_ - Harshlands
    _Petal_ - Harshlands Posts: 499 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    tientiensuser wrote: »
    I suggest in the future, MMOs should include cutscenes or dialogue that appears in the game while you play. To force the player to hear it or watch it. Its an MMO, so most players are only interested in the game. There is this rat race feeling in MMOs where players just want to reach end.

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    I miss being able to get BH squads....playing two new characters who weren't FC'd, I can tell you firsthand that you will RARELY get a legit squad of new toons who are doing BH legitimately....

    Everybody complains about not being able to get squads, yet when they go to accomplish getting a squad for something....there's nobody there TO squad with, because everybody is using FC. Either that, or when you form a squad, 70% of the time, you have more Assassins or Fistmasters in squad than magical DD's, barbarians, or clerics.


    Solution: CAP. FC. AT. 75.
    Your STORYLINE (you know, that thing that your writers came up with so there was a point to killing all these mobs and ****?) pops up at level 75. You have no business being up there before 75. Hell, you don't even have business being up there when you ARE 75--because the mobs are 20 levels higher than you in that area! The mobs inside FC itself are, at the very least, level 85, so even AT 75, you shouldn't be poking your nose in there, unless it's in a 75-85 squad!

    If they capped FC, this wouldn't be an issue. But they don't. This is what they want. They want you to get to 100, get bored, spend money to get easy-to-obtain-yet-stupidly-powerful gear, get bored again, and make another character to (also) spend money on. It's not a matter of keeping this game afloat--it's a matter of how much money PWE can milk out of this branch before it falls on its face.
    Shortly afterwards, when all the other branches catch up to this point of sheer stupidity, MAYBE, just maybe, PWE will realize that their flagship franchise is going down the toilet.
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  • Annalyse - Heavens Tear
    Annalyse - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,618 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Zorish - Harshlands wrote: »
    Plus I really don't feel like wasting 200k on Tele till a get someone

    This, I think, is a big reason why you don't see a lot of squads for things like TTs and higher level BHs (lower level they just shout in common chat). I myself have spent 13 teles before just to get a tank for BH metal, and far more trying to form a full RB... this kind of expense puts a lot of people off, so they sit around and watch world chat instead, and complain about lack of squads.

    And of course, it is hard to find people to fill your squads these days when they are all in FF.
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  • KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear
    KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,461 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    If you're in the level range of 90+ and you can't obtain spare coin for a few teles... you're doing something wrong. I purposefully world chat to get random squads going rather than faction/friends first for BHs.. why? Make up for the laziness of others. As for TTs and rebirths and things.. if your faction isn't helping you then why are you even still in it? The purpose of those is to help each other get better so you can achieve some higher goal together. (At least thats what I THOUGHT a faction was..). And rule #1 that no one ever follows. Take initiative in what you want to do. Don't sit around all day waiting and praying someone else will do it because they are thinking the same thing as you and then it goes no where....

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  • hellbankss
    hellbankss Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    I'm not sure about the others, but I have a lot of stuff to do in game. I do FCs, base quests, farm TT, farm mats and herbs, and sometimes do BH or pulling in some zhen for extra coins. Just got my TM robe and is farming for more coins to get Deicide when I get to lvl 95. If you need to do any instance, make your own squad, don't wait for others to make it. Don't whine about lack of squads when you don't see any squad on World Chat.

    To OP, if you are bored with the game, just go to play your G.U.I.L.D W.A.R.2. Oh, be sure to uninstall PWI. You won't be missed. b:bye
  • Zorish - Harshlands
    Zorish - Harshlands Posts: 310 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    hellbankss wrote: »
    I'm not sure about the others, but I have a lot of stuff to do in game. I do FCs, base quests, farm TT, farm mats and herbs, and sometimes do BH or pulling in some zhen for extra coins. Just got my TM robe and is farming for more coins to get Deicide when I get to lvl 95. If you need to do any instance, make your own squad, don't wait for others to make it. Don't whine about lack of squads when you don't see any squad on World Chat.

    To OP, if you are bored with the game, just go to play your G.U.I.L.D W.A.R.2. Oh, be sure to uninstall PWI. You won't be missed. b:bye


    You won't be missed... ofc, because you charge ZEN, everybody can WIN/PAY the game, so easy, you just need the coins. What kinda of achievement will you get? Paying, big deal. Us, the non cs players make the game fun, because we work our *** off on this game and we learn it. I won't deny that CSers are needed, it's true, but you don't make the game.
  • Zorish - Harshlands
    Zorish - Harshlands Posts: 310 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    If you're in the level range of 90+ and you can't obtain spare coin for a few teles... you're doing something wrong. I purposefully world chat to get random squads going rather than faction/friends first for BHs.. why? Make up for the laziness of others. As for TTs and rebirths and things.. if your faction isn't helping you then why are you even still in it? The purpose of those is to help each other get better so you can achieve some higher goal together. (At least thats what I THOUGHT a faction was..). And rule #1 that no one ever follows. Take initiative in what you want to do. Don't sit around all day waiting and praying someone else will do it because they are thinking the same thing as you and then it goes no where....

    /rant


    I'm lvl 86, always had troubles finding squads, even in factions... I've tried several ones, but I'm in a weird range, I guess, the 80-100. Pro guilds only want +100, and in between we have all these wannabes guild.

    I'm always up shouting for BH79, but it gets hard when you don't really have time (like 1 hour) to farm 200k for everydays BH (wine). If I don't get wine, then I need 200k for Teles, and EVEN shouting WC a LOT you won't get that easily a squad for TT. Most of the people will just solo farm and buy them from AH.
  • KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear
    KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,461 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Zorish - Harshlands wrote: »
    I'm lvl 86, always had troubles finding squads, even in factions... I've tried several ones, but I'm in a weird range, I guess, the 80-100. Pro guilds only want +100, and in between we have all these wannabes guild.

    I'm always up shouting for BH79, but it gets hard when you don't really have time (like 1 hour) to farm 200k for everydays BH (wine). If I don't get wine, then I need 200k for Teles, and EVEN shouting WC a LOT you won't get that easily a squad for TT. Most of the people will just solo farm and buy them from AH.

    Well I'll ask this. What pet are you using? The reason I ask is a herc-less veno can solo FB79 without much of an effort if they play smart. (This of course isn't the case for all classes.) As for TT's/RBs find a faction that genuinely wants to help you or friends that don't mind. For coins if you're having trouble give NS a whirl. It gives quite a decent amount of coin/drops which the DQ you can turn around and sell to other players for a decent chunk of coin.
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