Moving in Stealth as an archer

unceuncerave

So since we can use skills in stealth. The leaps will allow us to jump around in stealth, which would defeat the purpose of the .1m/s. So... either it will knock us out of stealth when we cast it... or we will be able to move and QQ will ensue. I will be able to confirm by around the end of May. If anyone else will have both sooner I would like an official fact on this. Otherwise feel free to speculate in the mean time.

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

unceuncerave wrote: »

So since we can use skills in stealth. The leaps will allow us to jump around in stealth, which would defeat the purpose of the .1m/s. So... either it will knock us out of stealth when we cast it... or we will be able to move and QQ will ensue. I will be able to confirm by around the end of May. If anyone else will have both sooner I would like an official fact on this. Otherwise feel free to speculate in the mean time.

I'm pretty sure I saw from the chinese version that you can leap in stealth. Leaping is still a far cry from real movement. 40m every 35s is just an effective speed of like 1.1m/s.

unceuncerave

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

I'm pretty sure I saw from the chinese version that you can leap in stealth. Leaping is still a far cry from real movement. 40m every 35s is just an effective speed of like 1.1m/s.

I agree that though it isn't a lot of movement... it still is movement... This means they won't know where you went to pop you out of stealth with an aoe or anything of that nature. Pretty sure people will QQ about it and call archers even more OP like they do about sins.

Elenacostel - Heavens Tear

It is sad that our leaps have a 30 second cooldown vs. BM leaps of 6 second cooldowns. I'd take the chi hit any day to have 6 second cooldown.

Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

I'm pretty sure I saw from the chinese version that you can leap in stealth. Leaping is still a far cry from real movement. 40m every 35s is just an effective speed of like 1.1m/s.

That's if you're planning on traveling long distances, which wouldn't be such a wise idea indeed.

With demon Winged Blessing you should, theoretically, be able to ambush someone from stealth 72 meters away

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

unceuncerave wrote: »

Pretty sure people will QQ about it and call archers even more OP like they do about sins.

Ehh.. call me when archers start facerolling full R9 characters while wearing a mixture of TT99 and nirvana.

Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »

It is sad that our leaps have a 30 second cooldown vs. BM leaps of 6 second cooldowns. I'd take the chi hit any day to have 6 second cooldown.

I think BM is like 15 second CD but I'd rather keep my chi.

unceuncerave

Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »

It is sad that our leaps have a 30 second cooldown vs. BM leaps of 6 second cooldowns. I'd take the chi hit any day to have 6 second cooldown.

I'd rather save my chi for something else if that was the case. and Jinx but it is 6 seconds when maxed, 15 seconds at level 1.

Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear wrote: »

That's if you're planning on traveling long distances, which wouldn't be such a wise idea indeed.

With demon Winged Blessing you should, theoretically, be able to ambush someone from stealth 72 meters away

Ambushing is another good concept.

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Ehh.. call me when archers start facerolling full R9 characters while wearing a mixture of TT99 and nirvana.

Well They might be able to if the player isn't paying attention. (Archer unstealths with a triple spark / Stunning arrow / autoattack or metal combo) Dead target? But thats also for basic geared archers. I was thinking from the standpoint of r9 archer = 5.0 +12 sin. Anyways.. But we will see soon enough.

Elenacostel - Heavens Tear

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

I think BM is like 15 second CD but I'd rather keep my chi.

That's level 1 leaps. Level 10 leap is 6 second cooldown.
25 chi forward, 15 chi backward, 15 meters.

unceuncerave

Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »

That's level 1 leaps. Level 10 leap is 6 second cooldown.
25 chi forward, 15 chi backward, 15 meters.

Another down side. They go away and toward the target for less meter range. We strafe and go 20 meters for no chi consumption. It's 16meters btw.

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »

That's level 1 leaps. Level 10 leap is 6 second cooldown.
25 chi forward, 15 chi backward, 15 meters.

Lol I always thought those only had 1 level since there are no sage and demon versions.

SpazzMcAps - Harshlands

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Lol I always thought those only had 1 level since there are no sage and demon versions.

speaking as a bm i wish there were sage and demon versions. sage could be no chi cost and demon could be longer leaps

unceuncerave

SpazzMcAps - Harshlands wrote: »

speaking as a bm i wish there were sage and demon versions. sage could be no chi cost and demon could be longer leaps

Why not add sage / demon to cloud sprint as well then. /chuckles

Sage can give 100% speed increase
Demon can give a chance for immunity to movement debuffs for 4 seconds.

Saethos - Raging Tide

unceuncerave wrote: »

I agree that though it isn't a lot of movement... it still is movement... This means they won't know where you went to pop you out of stealth with an aoe or anything of that nature. Pretty sure people will QQ about it and call archers even more OP like they do about sins.

BM AoE...Sword Cyclone...you can move during casting and it will knock one out of stealth if it hits, so we can hunt for you b:chuckle

SpazzMcAps - Harshlands

unceuncerave wrote: »

Why not add sage / demon to cloud sprint as well then. /chuckles

Sage can give 100% speed increase
Demon can give a chance for immunity to movement debuffs for 4 seconds.

i would like the sage version to give 30 chi kinda like sins windpush and your idea for demon sounds good

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear

unceuncerave wrote: »

Well They might be able to if the player isn't paying attention. (Archer unstealths with a triple spark / Stunning arrow / autoattack or metal combo) Dead target?

For god ****ing sake... there is one born every minute. triple + stun is a full 5 seconds before you land a hit... wtf is the full r9 doing all this time. Don't tell me... you figure out a way to make triple spark invisible too.

contrary to popular belief... we r9s don't really go afk during pk. we just like you to think that we do.

unceuncerave

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

For god ****ing sake... there is one born every minute. triple + stun is a full 5 seconds before you land a hit... wtf is the full r9 doing all this time. Don't tell me... you figure out a way to make triple spark invisible too.

contrary to popular belief... we r9s don't really go afk during pk. we just like you to think that we do.

Unless you have a mod for your camera to be panned to see all 360 degrees you cant see 30+ meters behind you(from camera view). I don't know about you but I don't play with sound so a sudden attack from behind when nothing was there a second ago may come as a surprise? Also I said not paying attention too if you read correctly not "afking". Or you could triple spark from 7x meters away. Stealth then jump 40 meters to the target in under 5 seconds and then start attacking for about 7-10 seconds with sparked damage.

Quilue - Sanctuary

Ast has apparently gotten away with 3 sparking from stealth in TW a lot. Her theory is that you get knocked out of stealth after the spark finishes channeling. Someone go test this out.

unceuncerave

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

Ast has apparently gotten away with 3 sparking from stealth in TW a lot. Her theory is that you get knocked out of stealth after the spark finishes channeling. Someone go test this out.

Just like a sin as soon as you get the buff effect you pop out. Perhaps he is thinking of blazing arrow?

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

Qui is mangling what I said :<
People don't see the cast animation of the skill that knocks you out of stealth. You just kinda appear but still have the yellow ball on you for a sec without the red light show.

Aesthor - Heavens Tear

unceuncerave wrote: »

Unless you have a mod for your camera to be panned to see all 360 degrees you cant see 30+ meters behind you(from camera view). I don't know about you but I don't play with sound so a sudden attack from behind when nothing was there a second ago may come as a surprise? Also I said not paying attention too if you read correctly not "afking". Or you could triple spark from 7x meters away. Stealth then jump 40 meters to the target in under 5 seconds and then start attacking for about 7-10 seconds with sparked damage.

Well let's see here..if I"m PKing...I'm PROBABLY either facing SZ OR I'm in SZ facing out, which puts my back towards SZ. Given that, I don't think 2 archer leaps is gonna carry an archer behind me if I'm the one outside SZ, and if I'm in SZ, I don't really have to watch what's behind me because people can't attack me from there.

You might not play with sound, and I don't either, but I don't think you can make the assumption that your target doesn't play with sound on unless you specifically know they don't. I don't know about you but I can't be assed to ask and remember who plays with sound and who doesn't.

As for the last thing about sparking far away, if I"m going to be that far away, I would probably just holy path or alacrity towards my target instead for similar results -_-. Or leap without the stealth, cuz at that rate, the stealth isn't the difference maker.

Quilue - Sanctuary

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Qui is mangling what I said :<
People don't see the cast animation of the skill that knocks you out of stealth. You just kinda appear but still have the yellow ball on you for a sec without the red light show.

Ohhh I didn't understand that when you told me!

Ast is so fat that when she went to COA, people tried to fight her for orbs :O

unceuncerave

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

Ohhh I didn't understand that when you told me!

Ast is so fat that when she went to COA, people tried to fight her for orbs :O

Explains why no orbs dropped when it was slain :<

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear

unceuncerave wrote: »

Unless you have a mod for your camera to be panned to see all 360 degrees you cant see 30+ meters behind you(from camera view). I don't know about you but I don't play with sound so a sudden attack from behind when nothing was there a second ago may come as a surprise? Also I said not paying attention too if you read correctly not "afking". Or you could triple spark from 7x meters away. Stealth then jump 40 meters to the target in under 5 seconds and then start attacking for about 7-10 seconds with sparked damage.

So you are suggesting that you can catch someone pking alone (no one watching his back)... who is not paying attention (you want first hit spark advantage). I am more likely to get my cv to purge on the first shot then for your assumptions to happen. Anyways... you want to spark from 70 meters away... assuming you can even see him from 70 meters away. Waste a whole 5/12 seconds to get in to range... stun him at 7/12 seconds. my full +12 r9 attack level only does ~2k on other r9s non sparked... and being a former +12 r8 dot archer.. my non spark r9 damage is greater then my sparked r8 damage. you are just not going to make the kill during you spark cycle UNLESS you crit on half of those shots 6... and this is assuming you are +12 dot r8 and the r9 is completely afk during you entire spark cycle.

in reality... you might be able to pull off 3-4 shots before stun wears off. at that point... i (using myself as an example) can either stun back or evasion buff (on top of def charm and pot). since i am sage... the 4.5s stun if more then enough to make the kill considering more then likely you'll be taking the full blunt force of my 500 dex with 100 attack levels. if i use evasion buff... you'll have a 25% chance of hitting me for the duration of the buff. of course i could also genie immune during your stun... and you can genie immune during my counter. but consider this... after the immunity your element of surprise and spark damage will be gone.

so it is not really worth mentioning anything unless you will have at least a 10% chance of pulling it off.

unceuncerave

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

So you are suggesting that you can catch someone pking alone (no one watching his back)... who is not paying attention (you want first hit spark advantage). I am more likely to get my cv to purge on the first shot then for your assumptions to happen. Anyways... you want to spark from 70 meters away... assuming you can even see him from 70 meters away. Waste a whole 5/12 seconds to get in to range... stun him at 7/12 seconds. my full +12 r9 attack level only does ~2k on other r9s non sparked... and being a former +12 r8 dot archer.. my non spark r9 damage is greater then my sparked r8 damage. you are just not going to make the kill during you spark cycle UNLESS you crit on half of those shots 6... and this is assuming you are +12 dot r8 and the r9 is completely afk during you entire spark cycle.

in reality... you might be able to pull off 3-4 shots before stun wears off. at that point... i (using myself as an example) can either stun back or evasion buff (on top of def charm and pot). since i am sage... the 4.5s stun if more then enough to make the kill considering more then likely you'll be taking the full blunt force of my 500 dex with 100 attack levels. if i use evasion buff... you'll have a 25% chance of hitting me for the duration of the buff. of course i could also genie immune during your stun... and you can genie immune during my counter. but consider this... after the immunity your element of surprise and spark damage will be gone.

so it is not really worth mentioning anything unless you will have at least a 10% chance of pulling it off.

You're looking at purely an archers standpoint of view. Yes it is unlikely a non r9 will kill an r9 but it was an example. And wow you hit shtty damage as an archer. wtf are you attacking full josd bms?

Aesthor - Heavens Tear

unceuncerave wrote: »

You're looking at purely an archers standpoint of view. Yes it is unlikely a non r9 will kill an r9 but it was an example. And wow you hit shtty damage as an archer. wtf are you attacking full josd bms?

He likes to bully BMs and the cash shop faction on our server are pretty much all JOSD :P

unceuncerave

Aesthor - Heavens Tear wrote: »

He likes to bully BMs and the cash shop faction on our server are pretty much all JOSD :P

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God I hope he was talking about full josd r9 bms/barbs/seekers or he needs to uninstall.
Shouldn't be using auto attack on them anyways... but that's besides the point.
And that still sounds low but w/e.

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver

i still dont get what's the actual use of stealth if we assume that the target is not looking at you. ok, perhaps you will avoid someone else hitting you

unceuncerave

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »

i still dont get what's the actual use of stealth if we assume that the target is not looking at you. ok, perhaps you will avoid someone else hitting you

Well when I PK I occasionally rotate my camera around and check my surrondings as well as T window target people to see if someone is trying to "ninja". With stealth this prevents the ability for that to happen. And if said archer is 105 no one but 105 seekers/mystics or anyone who got the one time event 31 detect apothecary. Which is almost non existent but anyways the main purpose of my thread is purely from a defensive point. Lets say your getting attacked by multiple players. Sure you can stealth and they can't directly target you but with the inability to move they can just target something near you and AoE and poof there went your chance to hide. The jumps will allow you to escape from such a thing if it allows you to remain in stealth. THAT is the main reasoning behind my questioning.

and @ your sig I like how you can craft said level 8 tomes for 1/4 the cost of a level 7 tome.

Aesthor - Heavens Tear

unceuncerave wrote: »

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God I hope he was talking about full josd r9 bms/barbs/seekers or he needs to uninstall.
Shouldn't be using auto attack on them anyways... but that's besides the point.
And that still sounds low but w/e.

You underestimate JOSDs then. You're gonna be hitting about that much on a full JOSD toon with regulars if you don't set up debuffs and stuff.

unceuncerave

Aesthor - Heavens Tear wrote: »

You underestimate JOSDs then. You're gonna be hitting about that much on a full JOSD toon with regulars if you don't set up debuffs and stuff.

I generally hit
Full JoSD Robes around 6-8ks.
Full JoSD LA around 4-6k
Full JoSD HA around 2-3k

>_> I dunno what issue you might be having. And no i'm not rolling any DoTs

CritCat - Archosaur

unceuncerave wrote: »

I generally hit
Full JoSD Robes around 6-8ks.
Full JoSD LA around 4-6k
Full JoSD HA around 2-3k

>_> I dunno what issue you might be having. And no i'm not rolling any DoTs

Wtf you smoking, I hit 2kish normal hits full r9 DoT vs Full R9 JoSD wizard and maybe 3-4k hits on them if I crit on my archerb:shocked