Who Would Win...

Pi_Roe_Str - Harshlands
Pi_Roe_Str - Harshlands Posts: 12 Arc User
edited May 2012 in Assassin
So I compiled 2 sin Builds, 1 is sharded with Def lvl shards Refined to max and wearing Rank 9 gear, the other is wearing similar gear but built for Interval and HP sharded and refined to max I prob should have kept the links to their calc page but all I have is a comparison screenshot.

My brother says that rank 9 is the ****, but I think HP and interval would dominate... I havent taken the Defense lvl into account though... i really dont know thats why I posted it.

Note: oh they are both demon Sparked and Buffed.

Here is the link...
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  • Pi_Roe_Str - Harshlands
    Pi_Roe_Str - Harshlands Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    I am simply trying to determine what would be better to go with Rank 9 or interval, plz elaborate if you have experimented alittle or even have some experience in this area.
  • _Mg_Zr - Heavens Tear
    _Mg_Zr - Heavens Tear Posts: 562 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    You should mix and match the best of both. I.E.
    Rank 9 dagger and ring on the interval build, change your helmet for nirvana helmet so you will get 5 more attack levels and for shards i dont know but pick from DoT's, JoSD's or vit stones i guess.
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  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Why the hell is your R9 build equipped with a Warsoul weapon?

    Also, Sky Cover is a better ring than Sign of Frost: Chaos.

    And how come one build gets Ancestral Divine Hat while the other doesn't?
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  • Buff_me - Raging Tide
    Buff_me - Raging Tide Posts: 252 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Lol, both builds are lame imo oO

    If u go R9, u must go full with Nirvana Cape-Helm and Cube stamp..

    Aps build must have R9 weapon too v.v
  • Islashyou - Dreamweaver
    Islashyou - Dreamweaver Posts: 40 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    lol at your builds, but a r9 aps sin will be favored vs a full r9 sin assuming they're both maxed out in refines/shards
  • _Skai_ - Raging Tide
    _Skai_ - Raging Tide Posts: 3,407 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Looking at the builds, it's like comparing an Empire State building made of solid gold and diamonds to a run down shack made of wood and stones.
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  • SpazzMcAps - Harshlands
    SpazzMcAps - Harshlands Posts: 2,561 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Why the hell is your R9 build equipped with a Warsoul weapon?

    Also, Sky Cover is a better ring than Sign of Frost: Chaos.

    And how come one build gets Ancestral Divine Hat while the other doesn't?

    also he doesnt have r9 belt :C
  • _Skai_ - Raging Tide
    _Skai_ - Raging Tide Posts: 3,407 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Seriously.. posts like these diminish a lot of my hope for the Assassin class players. It's one thing to play the class, but it's another to not know what a good build is without doing the proper research.
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  • Kaytrine - Heavens Tear
    Kaytrine - Heavens Tear Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    To answer your question, at least to my knowledge. A fully refined aps sin with end game dags (r9+12 or g15 with int +12), will have far greater dps than a fully refined, full r9 sin; However, if u put them head to head in a duel or PK, full r9 with josd will pwn the other sin. Even if u demon spark + enrage + all that good stuff, u wont be able to down the full r9 sin (given he/she is charmed and knows what the hell is going on). The full r9 sin will also have a much greater atk lvl with bonuses and chill. 3 to 4 hits and aps sin is dead.
  • Flamespirit - Dreamweaver
    Flamespirit - Dreamweaver Posts: 337 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    I think the actuall answer is which ever sin has the better genie,def charms,apoth. As soon as all the stuff that keeps you from taking damage wear off, either will kill the other nearly instantly.
  • Kaytrine - Heavens Tear
    Kaytrine - Heavens Tear Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Flamespirit - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I think the actuall answer is which ever sin has the better genie,def charms,apoth. As soon as all the stuff that keeps you from taking damage wear off, either will kill the other nearly instantly.

    U will not kill any class albeit Arcane or HA that have full r9 josd +10 or 12, in an instant.
  • Azzazin - Dreamweaver
    Azzazin - Dreamweaver Posts: 502 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Hi Hi.

    The other day I fought r9 sage sin about a dozen times, and yeah the damage is hella scary! (Yes of course he had +12 drakeflame wep). I ran out of def charms at one point, I got hit over my max hp at least 4 times. But I didn't lose a single fight.

    Sins can't kill stuff in an instant? Maybe if the sage sin used focused mind... but then he'd be completely vulnerable to stun lock. Even +12 jade characters can die inside of one of my 6 second stun (can, not always will; it happens more if I have their hp near half when I get the headhunt off). Anyways, the main reason I was able to win all of these fights was because of my genie.

    Ok, thats simplistic, of course its more than my genie, its my style of kiting which reduces the number of hits he gets on me. Anyways, to simply say 'full r9 wins in 1vs1 sin battle' is just not true. With slow attacks, its easier to use def charms to block the deadly hits. And a full +12 vit stone aps sin isn't just gonna fall over from a couple zerk crits either. If the sage sin can't reliable 2 or 3 shot the aps sin, the aps sin has a very decent chance of winning the fight.

    With equally pimped out gear, I'd say skill and genie would determine the winner 1vs1.

    I have a system of +1-to-you checkpoints in a battle to determine how well I'm faring, and it is this that I use to determine whether or not I attack or kite.

    +1 points if you make your opponent waste a triple spark (but, I often use this to make the enemy run from me when I am vulnerable, then I kite and rising dragon some nearby mobs/players for chi)
    +1 points if you can fool opponent into using tidal protection before you, and you successfully kite for a few seconds before buffing (his tidal expired a few seconds before yours, allowing you to go on the offensive
    +1 points if he uses apoth (you have to recognize that he used it) and you kite it
    +1 points if you make him use expel or absolute domain without requiring you to use your own genie
    +1 points if your genie is full of energy when your tidal runs off
    +1 points if you make him waste tele stun on you when you have anti-stun in (I often use fortify or maze steps).
    +1 points if enemy's deaden nerves runs out before yours

    Naturally all of the +1s are -1s if applied to you instead. As well, if both players kite each other for a while, then you reset back to 0, because its assumed that apoth comes off of cooldown, genies refill, and deaden nerve gets rebuffed.

    Cheers,

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  • hypereccentrik
    hypereccentrik Posts: 529 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    I think Batman would win in a fight between Batman vs Supermanb:victory
  • SpazzMcAps - Harshlands
    SpazzMcAps - Harshlands Posts: 2,561 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Pi_Roe_Str - Harshlands wrote: »
    I am simply trying to determine what would be better to go with Rank 9 or interval, plz elaborate if you have experimented alittle or even have some experience in this area.

    thats a r9 build but not a good r9 build.
    http://pwcalc.com/0a1687f0759b9d5c


    and why didnt you use r9 belt?
  • Pi_Roe_Str - Harshlands
    Pi_Roe_Str - Harshlands Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    To answer everyone’s question about the belt, first and foremost a lot of what I was doing was affordability... then it kind of spawned into a competition... the warsoul weapon was curiosity mostly plus I wanted the attack levels and such, the warsoul helm that just happens to be what I was wearing and looking at the time... I wasn’t looking for criticism I was looking for input. A lot of it was laziness I didn’t save to builds, all I took was screenshots... I didn’t want to go back in and change everything; I didn’t think that a few minor details would matter. Any logical intellectual can look past trivial bs, and look at the big picture ignore the example if you have to, the question was simple who would win. Those of you that can’t grasp the finer points of thought and debate should just stay off my thread.
  • Pi_Roe_Str - Harshlands
    Pi_Roe_Str - Harshlands Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Thank you to those of you that had something useful and thought out to say.
  • SpazzMcAps - Harshlands
    SpazzMcAps - Harshlands Posts: 2,561 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    as far as i know warsoul weapon alone is more than the cost of full r9. so using that and not a r9 belt doesnt make sense to me.
  • _Skai_ - Raging Tide
    _Skai_ - Raging Tide Posts: 3,407 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    You were worried about cost and you put a warsoul weapon there?

    The amount of real money to afford a warsoul weapon is roughly enough to buy 20 full sets of rank 9.
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  • RunningTiger - Dreamweaver
    RunningTiger - Dreamweaver Posts: 243 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    One other worthwhile thing to say is that pc graphics speed/connection speed has alot to do with who wins or looses. Pk is about gear,genie, an apoth, and skill. It is very possible to have better gear an still loose.
  • SpazzMcAps - Harshlands
    SpazzMcAps - Harshlands Posts: 2,561 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    _Skai_ - Raging Tide wrote: »
    You were worried about cost and you put a warsoul weapon there?

    The amount of real money to afford a warsoul weapon is roughly enough to buy 20 full sets of rank 9.

    i thought some guy on DW has warsoul lol. I sure as balls hope that they arend 20 somthin grand
  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    SpazzMcAps - Harshlands wrote: »
    i thought some guy on DW has warsoul lol. I sure as balls hope that they arend 20 somthin grand

    Dreamweaver has one and so does Heaven's Tear.
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  • SpazzMcAps - Harshlands
    SpazzMcAps - Harshlands Posts: 2,561 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    i know DW has the bow but what does HT have?
  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    SpazzMcAps - Harshlands wrote: »
    i know DW has the bow but what does HT have?

    There was an assassin with the dagger. Like so.
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  • _Skai_ - Raging Tide
    _Skai_ - Raging Tide Posts: 3,407 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    If I remember correctly, back when I calculated the costs, which was around the time my sin was very low level, it cost around ~30-40 billion coin.

    That's around ~$30,000+ USD if gold is 1.2m each.
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  • Islashyou - Dreamweaver
    Islashyou - Dreamweaver Posts: 40 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    dreamweaver has had a warsoul bow since before r9 and now also a set of warsoul claws since 2 weeks ago.. yup we now have 2 warsoul weapons. also, a warsoul weapon costs approx 7b coins and 300k~ chips.
  • SpazzMcAps - Harshlands
    SpazzMcAps - Harshlands Posts: 2,561 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    http://www.google.com/imgres?q=pics+or+it+didn%27t+happen+gif&um=1&hl=en&sa=X&rlz=1C1CHKZ_enUS438US438&biw=1366&bih=681&tbm=isch&tbnid=qf5V3jQlo2BqZM:&imgrefurl=http://kerbalspaceprogram.com/forum/index.php%3Ftopic%3D2247.0&docid=U-TiKfuKu4jwzM&imgurl=http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c332/qualityofservice/lol/117831625474.gif&w=800&h=711&ei=EYp7T_6_C8fV0QHB0PGkCg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=181&vpy=144&dur=364&hovh=212&hovw=238&tx=123&ty=86&sig=117067475335069013534&page=1&tbnh=142&tbnw=160&start=0&ndsp=18&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0
  • Drunken_Chu - Dreamweaver
    Drunken_Chu - Dreamweaver Posts: 257 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Who has the warsoul claws? O.o
  • SpazzMcAps - Harshlands
    SpazzMcAps - Harshlands Posts: 2,561 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    And will they move to harshlands and give them to me?
  • Islashyou - Dreamweaver
    Islashyou - Dreamweaver Posts: 40 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Drunken_Chu - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Who has the warsoul claws? O.o

    DemonKillers
  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    _Skai_ - Raging Tide wrote: »
    If I remember correctly, back when I calculated the costs, which was around the time my sin was very low level, it cost around ~30-40 billion coin.

    That's around ~$30,000+ USD if gold is 1.2m each.

    6,750,000,000 coins in chipping fees, plus 313,500 Chips total.

    At 50 Silver for 1,000 chips and 1,200,000 coins per Gold, that's 5,938.5 Gold.

    Biggest change is the probably of chips. If you did it with the Token exchange and priced tokens at 9,999 each, you'd be looking at an additional 2,351 Gold, for a total of 8,289.5.

    I'm pretty sure all the 10,000$+ amounts are from pre-pack era, when access to Mysterious Chips was extremely limited and the only "realistic" option would've been using TT mats.
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