Remove Bloodpaint

FayHumming - Dreamweaver

Delete Bloodpaint skill then solve everything in PVE..b:laugh

NecroTwist - Sanctuary

how does that solve everything?

Renza - Raging Tide

Obviously it won't "solve" everything, though It could possibly solve some things as aps+blood paint took over boss tanking/healing easily.

ApocaIypto - Dreamweaver

cause then fayhumming full R9 recast +12 can feel pro soloing nirvana (caster one)

Nymphali - Dreamweaver

No, GTFO of here.

Id rather a max aps reduction to 3.33 than taking my precious away.

We not saying a word bout your skills, so get the **** out.

MoonsMyst - Heavens Tear

removing bloodpaint wouldnt solve much, those who do duo or clericles runs would just need cleric this time but they would still be left same thing

FayHumming - Dreamweaver

ApocaIypto - Dreamweaver wrote: »

cause then fayhumming full R9 recast +12 can feel pro soloing nirvana (caster one)

Ur R9 can't solo caster nirv. when I was R9+12 to farm R9recast, really thx to last 2x.b:thanks

evolution1234

um...or change aps calculation or cap.

If PWI 5.0 will roll back to PWI 2.0, the game would be a lot different- Every farmable material price will go up.

Elenacostel - Heavens Tear

MoonsMyst - Heavens Tear wrote: »

removing bloodpaint wouldnt solve much, those who do duo or clericles runs would just need cleric this time but they would still be left same thing

False. Archers can solo / duo Nirvana with just an HP charm.

Bloodpaint just enables easy-mode. Removing it would merely separates those who know how to drink potions from those who do not.

CarnalDesire - Lost City

lmao why would the removal of bloodpaint be any of your concern - not only does it benefit sins, but think of the bms and seekers who can also use this buff and of course the sage version is very beneficial R9 or not-- ooh just seen what server youre on....... nuff said b:laughb:laugh

Nymphali - Dreamweaver

Aw Cmon, too much QQing from ya..

nerf aps = okay. Take bp away = No freaking way.

I think 4.0+ users should have decreased chi gainage per attack instead of having lowered damage or accuracy, Ijs.

Michael_Dark - Lost City

MoonsMyst - Heavens Tear wrote: »

removing bloodpaint wouldnt solve much,

Actually it would. So many horrible players rely on it. Bloodpaint + Jones Blessing is like training wheels for a child. At some point, they should go away. lol

Savor - Lost City

Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Bloodpaint just enables easy-mode. Removing it would merely separates those who know how to drink potions from those who do not.

loooooooooooool

Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary

Remove wizards, there I said it, but I`m not proud of it. b:cry

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary wrote: »

Remove wizards, there I said it, but I`m not proud of it. b:cry

I'd rather them get rid of psychics. b:surrender

Dralighte - Harshlands

FayHumming - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Delete Bloodpaint skill then solve everything in PVE..b:laugh

To ban cheaters who did goons is a better idea, tbh.

ZackMystic - Harshlands

lol bp is awesome, the only people who complain are people QQ in about caster nirvy

liamhallett86#4514

got an idea, why not reduce mag dmg by half:D it balance tw lol b:shutup

XxRagzxx - Sanctuary

FayHumming - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Delete Bloodpaint skill then solve everything in PVE..b:laugh

Deleting 105s I think would just solve all the QQing about EVERYTHING including APS

Michael_Dark - Lost City

theedger wrote: »

got an idea, why not reduce mag dmg by half:D it balance tw lol b:shutup

No, I think I'd rather see the forum nerdrage from removing a skill like bloodpaint. That would be more epic... than probably anything they've ever done.

b:pleased

SerenityMare - Dreamweaver

Does she want a mass amount of the population that plays PWi to quit? b:laugh I sense a conspiracy theory. b:avoid

Sir_Puma - Raging Tide

Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »

Actually it would. So many horrible players rely on it. Bloodpaint + Jones Blessing is like training wheels for a child. At some point, they should go away. lol

I kind of agree..

Bloodpaint, although is fun to have for a Sin, Bm, Seeker or Barb does help a lot depending on damage u do. Can make these almost obsolete :

- Crab meats
- Reviving saps of death from divine (Although those heal also mana)
- Limp Poultice fo death (Hp pots from divine)
- Any lvl of Hp pots
- Any lvl of Hp recovering Apocetary pots

Makes some people go "careless" too..

"Hey I have bloodpaint on and a hp charm and that's magic mobs, who cares !! BP will heal me and if not in time, charm will tick !!! Cancel opponent's casting or reduce channeling, wth is that ?? "

Just take a very average damage everyone at lvl 100+ should be able to do with very low refines.. 5k, with sage BP, u heal 3% per hit, so 150. If u are just 2.5 aps let's say..That's 450 hp per sec of healing, beats any kind of healing pots by a large margin..

Now just think those hitting 10k+ contantly and just take lvl 10 BP, would make 200 per hit.
At a low 1 Aps (True tank barbs with axe let's say..), u still heal more in 10 secs then a regular lvl 90 Hp pot. (u heal 2k instead of 1880). If u are 3 Aps, in 3.3 secs or so, u heal more then those pots. And wont even speak about 5 aps.. It's like using a instant pot each sec.. And people continue to say the skill mixed with APS ain't OP and the main trouble that made barbs not tank anymore ??

Now take in mind I used 10k damage as exemple. We all know people can hit a lot more then that, take a 50k damage (sparked or not, with amps or not), with lvl 10 BP ?, that's 1k healing PER HIT. if u are 5 aps and do that damage, it's full heals on a normal sin, each sec...

now read through all that carefully and tell me how, removing it or making lvl 10 heal 1% and sage 2%, woudnt make the game a bit more enjoyable ??

Tsukyini - Raging Tide

Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »

No, I think I'd rather see the forum nerdrage from removing a skill like bloodpaint. That would be more epic... than probably anything they've ever done.

b:pleased

So much popcorn would be needed. I don't know if I can afford to buy enough for the QQfest that would ensue. b:sad

XxRagzxx - Sanctuary

Sir_Puma - Raging Tide wrote: »

I kind of agree..

Bloodpaint, although is fun to have for a Sin, Bm, Seeker or Barb does help a lot depending on damage u do. Can make these almost obsolete :

- Crab meats
- Reviving saps of death from divine (Although those heal also mana)
- Limp Poultice fo death (Hp pots from divine)
- Any lvl of Hp pots
- Any lvl of Hp recovering Apocetary pots

Makes some people go "careless" too..

"Hey I have bloodpaint on and a hp charm and that's magic mobs, who cares !! BP will heal me and if not in time, charm will tick !!! Cancel opponent's casting or reduce channeling, wth is that ?? "

Just take a very average damage everyone at lvl 100+ should be able to do with very low refines.. 5k, with sage BP, u heal 3% per hit, so 150. If u are just 2.5 aps let's say..That's 450 hp per sec of healing, beats any kind of healing pots by a large margin..

Now just think those hitting 10k+ contantly and just take lvl 10 BP, would make 200 per hit.
At a low 1 Aps (True tank barbs with axe let's say..), u still heal more in 10 secs then a regular lvl 90 Hp pot. (u heal 2k instead of 1880). If u are 3 Aps, in 3.3 secs or so, u heal more then those pots. And wont even speak about 5 aps.. It's like using a instant pot each sec.. And people continue to say the skill mixed with APS ain't OP and the main trouble that made barbs not tank anymore ??

Now take in mind I used 10k damage as exemple. We all know people can hit a lot more then that, take a 50k damage (sparked or not, with amps or not), with lvl 10 BP ?, that's 1k healing PER HIT. if u are 5 aps and do that damage, it's full heals on a normal sin, each sec...

now read through all that carefully and tell me how, removing it or making lvl 10 heal 1% and sage 2%, woudnt make the game a bit more enjoyable ??

You're basing this off EVERY sin NOT knowing their class. You would be surprised at how many that do. If it weren't for bloodpaint, I wouldn't be able to solo TT, well noone would be able to. Have you seen 90% of cleric weapons on this game and their magic attacks? It's beyond ****. Yes I do use crab meats, and reviving saps of death. Just because some people don't use them, doesn't mean everyone doesn't, and tbh, charms are a waste of money anymore unless you are TWing every week or PKing. Cuts too much into profits =D

Haruzi - Lost City

XxRagzxx - Sanctuary wrote: »

You're basing this off EVERY sin NOT knowing their class. You would be surprised at how many that do. If it weren't for bloodpaint, I wouldn't be able to solo TT, well noone would be able to. Have you seen 90% of cleric weapons on this game and their magic attacks? It's beyond ****. Yes I do use crab meats, and reviving saps of death. Just because some people don't use them, doesn't mean everyone doesn't, and tbh, charms are a waste of money anymore unless you are TWing every week or PKing. Cuts too much into profits =D

Maybe they're **** because they can't find squads who'll invite them to farm bc they're not needed? Also, my 17k mag attack is not ****!!! D=

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

XxRagzxx - Sanctuary wrote: »

You're basing this off EVERY sin NOT knowing their class. You would be surprised at how many that do. If it weren't for bloodpaint, I wouldn't be able to solo TT, well noone would be able to. Have you seen 90% of cleric weapons on this game and their magic attacks? It's beyond ****. Yes I do use crab meats, and reviving saps of death. Just because some people don't use them, doesn't mean everyone doesn't, and tbh, charms are a waste of money anymore unless you are TWing every week or PKing. Cuts too much into profits =D

Nah it's still possible to solo TT charmless without BP. You just need better gear than most of the sins out there with **** TT99.

There used to be a holy trinity in MMO of healer - tank - DD. In PWI it was pretty clear which was which, cleric was healer, barb was tank, everyone else DD + support.

When 5aps became widespread tank was removed from the triangle because now your damage dealers were tanking. You still needed a healer in most cases so still needed cleric.

With sins they added BP so now the DD+Tank super class could become healer too.

The holy trinity has completely collapsed and now game play has been reduced to a 0 dimensional dot. BP doesn't help gameplay. It wasn't needed before and it's not needed now.

Tsukyini - Raging Tide

XxRagzxx - Sanctuary wrote: »

If it weren't for bloodpaint, I wouldn't be able to solo TT, well noone would be able to.

I think that's kind of the point. It would make people have to actually work with others for stuff.

Euthymius - Heavens Tear

If you really want to make BP less of an effective tool to Melee classes, you could just have it only heal with skills instead of auto-attack. However, that would leave Seekers, who could still get away with being nigh invincible with Voretex...at least in RB/FC. :shrugs:

Traz - Dreamweaver

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Nah it's still possible to solo TT charmless without BP. You just need better gear than most of the sins out there with **** TT99.

There used to be a holy trinity in MMO of healer - tank - DD. In PWI it was pretty clear which was which, cleric was healer, barb was tank, everyone else DD + support.

When 5aps became widespread tank was removed from the triangle because now your damage dealers were tanking. You still needed a healer in most cases so still needed cleric.

With sins they added BP so now the DD+Tank super class could become healer too.

The holy trinity has completely collapsed and now game play has been reduced to a 0 dimensional dot. BP doesn't help gameplay. It wasn't needed before and it's not needed now.

Well no one is solo'ing TTs now without a healer / BP since they amped them way up in difficulty.

Sir_Puma - Raging Tide

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Nah it's still possible to solo TT charmless without BP. You just need better gear than most of the sins out there with **** TT99.

There used to be a holy trinity in MMO of healer - tank - DD. In PWI it was pretty clear which was which, cleric was healer, barb was tank, everyone else DD + support.

When 5aps became widespread tank was removed from the triangle because now your damage dealers were tanking. You still needed a healer in most cases so still needed cleric.

With sins they added BP so now the DD+Tank super class could become healer too.

The holy trinity has completely collapsed and now game play has been reduced to a 0 dimensional dot.

I like ur explanation a lot

It's the way a "true" MMO should be. Barbs have a few new agro skills though with this expansion.. One true one (that i forgot name) that "Greatly generates Threat " , one usuable only in PvP (like wth ?), and prehistoric blood that will help them keep damage up a bit.. 8% wep damage per hit they take up to 20 (or 30 times), will make sage barbs be able to hit full damage in Tiger, and demon ones hit "as if they were using one spark" for a short time...

Hope this balances things out and that the Trinity comes back...

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Well no one is solo'ing TTs now without a healer / BP since they amped them way up in difficulty.

I didnt say it was easy but it is possible to do it without charm or BP. Charmless soloing wouldn't be removed from the game, but the requirements would go up.