Upgrade or don't play

Azura - Lost City

TobiasTiger - Lost City wrote: »

So from everything I've seen, PWI is basically telling those of us that have slightly older systems, that we need to upgrade our computers or not play. And it also seems like some players, who can play after this new patch, say the same thing. Well, for various reasons, most of us can't do that.

I'm on permanent disability with a very small, limited income. I live by myself, all of my family is out of town if not out of state and not a lot of them left these days anyway. When I first started this game 3+ years ago it played great on the same computer I have. It's a shame I wasted those 3+ years on a company like PWI.

So PWI if you say upgrade or don't play, I have to say I wont play then. And PWI you're really not very smart, in a business sense, by doing this.

I'm sorry about your bad economical situation, but this is the way it is with computing. Computers get better almost every month and new hardware and software is made to take advantage of all that power. So, it's very normal that even PW would some day upgrade the game engine. Soon even windows XP will lose support and you will have to get 7 or 8.

Also, most people are able to change computers every 2 years, and PW thought only about the majority.

TobiasTiger - Lost City

Several of you have offered real help and I appreciate it. As I've stated several times in this thread, I am not asking for help. This post was not about getting help. Thanks again for your offers, I really do appreciate those that have honestly offered your help.

All I have wanted to do is let PWI know that they are alienating a lot of people. Maybe I've done that I don't know. At least 'Spoons woulda told us something.

John_Smith - Harshlands

TobiasTiger - Lost City wrote: »

Several of you have offered real help and I appreciate it. As I've stated several times in this thread, I am not asking for help. This post was not about getting help. Thanks again for your offers, I really do appreciate those that have honestly offered your help.

All I have wanted to do is let PWI know that they are alienating a lot of people. Maybe I've done that I don't know. At least 'Spoons woulda told us something.

Your post was a waste of time then. If you won't accept help and simply demand they shouldn't have upgraded the game the tiniest bit then it's your fault not theirs.

SylenThunder - Twilight Temple

TobiasTiger - Lost City wrote: »

Several of you have offered real help and I appreciate it. As I've stated several times in this thread, I am not asking for help. This post was not about getting help. Thanks again for your offers, I really do appreciate those that have honestly offered your help.

All I have wanted to do is let PWI know that they are alienating a lot of people. Maybe I've done that I don't know. At least 'Spoons woulda told us something.

We aren't even talking about slightly older systems though. We're talking about systems that are 10 years old or older. The fact that people could play this on those systems up until the update was practically a miracle to begin with.

What you're asking PWE to do would be something akin to every Chevy dealer stocking parts for all models going back 50 years. It's not going to happen. There isn't enough demand for those old parts to make it worth the inventory cost.

Same thing with technology. It's advanced far enough, that they've updated the client to keep up a little bit. Hell it still doesn't even support multi-core CPU's. Asking them to make the client magically know that you're using an outdated video chipset that doesn't support 2.0 Shaders is not a reasonable requirement. It's not cost effective for them to put the time and effort into doing that. Hell they don't even feel it's cost effective to try fixing bugs that have been in the game for 3+ years.

So sure, there's a few people that can't play now. Those systems should have been upgraded years ago, and complaining that a company doesn't support a chipset that was outdated over 8 years ago is quite plainly, a bit stupid.

Lolgasmic - Raging Tide

maocchi wrote: »

I don't see how PWI "isn't smart in business sense" by updating their game system.
People with "limited income" don't really spend much money on the game in the first place (I hope). Those who can afford to regularly spend money on this game are typically able to afford a computer that's more than good enough to play PWI.

There have been much demands to bring PWI up to time on par with other MMO's. If they lose players with older systems, they will just gain players with newer systems.

+1b:thanks

snufalufaguss

Idk if you realize that you can still play the Genesis version.

Xamani - Lost City

TobiasTiger - Lost City wrote: »

All I have wanted to do is let PWI know that they are alienating a lot of people.

Actually, no, they're not. I'm very happy they upgraded the graphics. I wish they'd gone further with it, to a more recent version of DirectX, rather than one that's 5 years out of date, but it's better than nothing for sure! The graphics were starting to look really outdated, and *that* would eventually alienate me.

_Nerox_ - Dreamweaver

I rly dont get the point the OP is trying to prove, help me.

MyuMyu - Harshlands

SylenThunder - Sanctuary wrote: »

complaining that a company doesn't support a chipset that was outdated over 8 years ago is quite plainly, a bit stupid.

This. Buying a cheap laptop / desktop / video card / whatever, cost like... not more than $400-$500? or maybe even less?
If you cant afford that, then focus on your irl work first? find another way to get income, like several part time jobs?

If cant, then cut down other entertainment fee first? smoke? beer? coffee? new clothes?
b:surrender

_Adrasteia_ - Dreamweaver

MyuMyu - Harshlands wrote: »

This. Buying a cheap laptop / desktop / video card / whatever, cost like... not more than $400-$500? or maybe even less?
If you cant afford that, then focus on your irl work first? find another way to get income, like several part time jobs?

If cant, then cut down other entertainment fee first? smoke? beer? coffee? new clothes?
b:surrender

or buy a used laptop on ebay for 200 usd . meany of those laptops work fine for pwi

Fintan - Lost City

SylenThunder - Sanctuary wrote: »

We aren't even talking about slightly older systems though. We're talking about systems that are 10 years old or older. The fact that people could play this on those systems up until the update was practically a miracle to begin with.

You can still play on them. As I said, I tested that... (Every time I boot Windows 98, I keep remembering how much has changed in the past many years, even moreso than when I get dropped in front of an XP box...)

Our dear poster has made a QQ thread demanding that PWE fix the game but they are failing to provide any info to anyone to get the problem resolved in a timely fashion. Chances are that those of us on the forum are more able to help you more rapidly. But considering you won't let us help by providing useful info to us, you probably haven't given it to PWE either.

So, you're crying that the game is broken but you aren't letting anyone help you. Any lack of sympathy you may perceive is brought upon yourself.

Mythsoul - Heavens Tear

My computer is a 2007 core 2 duo and runs PWI pretty smooth

CuteEmily - Heavens Tear

Hell, seriously sb close the topic already.
Actually I'm glad that ppl like OP will quit the game. I don't want such ppl (who waste others' time and can't listen to advice or help( posting on WC nor in my squads.
There are enough of such individuals already with game workingb:surrender

Although I do admit that I had some fun reading conversation that goes like this:
Tobias: I can't play
sb1: tell us what PC you have
Tobias: the game and devs are stupid
sb2: we can help you, show us your specs and dxdiag
Tobias: the game and devs are stupid, I am amazing and done EVERYTHING that is possible and you CAN'T in ANY way help me even though some of you are IT specialists etc.
.
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and so on and so onb:victory

To Tobias: Srsly, ppl have claimed to work the game on win98 so go on and ragequit already, good bye and gl playing any game on your AMAZING machine besides idk, solitare?

Tsukyini - Raging Tide

TobiasTiger - Lost City wrote: »

Several of you have offered real help and I appreciate it. As I've stated several times in this thread, I am not asking for help. This post was not about getting help. Thanks again for your offers, I really do appreciate those that have honestly offered your help.

All I have wanted to do is let PWI know that they are alienating a lot of people. Maybe I've done that I don't know. At least 'Spoons woulda told us something.

What is the point of complaining if you don't want to be helped, especially when there are plenty of people offering to help you?

You say you don't want to put in any work to get the game to work again, and that's fine. But in that case, you must not really want to play it that badly, either. I mean, if I was unable to work and stuck at home all day, and the game I liked to play suddenly stopped working properly, I'd be combing the internet for the solution and I wouldn't stop until I found it. I certainly wouldn't turn up my nose at people offering to help me.

Bobobejumbo - Raging Tide

Tsukyini - Raging Tide wrote: »

What is the point of complaining if you don't want to be helped, especially when there are plenty of people offering to help you?

You say you don't want to put in any work to get the game to work again, and that's fine. But in that case, you must not really want to play it that badly, either. I mean, if I was unable to work and stuck at home all day, and the game I liked to play suddenly stopped working properly, I'd be combing the internet for the solution and I wouldn't stop until I found it. I certainly wouldn't turn up my nose at people offering to help me.

^This....because I can

tientiensuser

hehe. If this game's graphics upgrade has really forced that many players to have hardware issues. Then I really need to come back and play this game again just to see what it looks like now.

Fintan - Lost City

tientiensuser wrote: »

hehe. If this game's graphics upgrade has really forced that many players to have hardware issues. Then I really need to come back and play this game again just to see what it looks like now.

I've yet to come across anyone I know within even passing distance (friend of a friend of a friend of a friend...) actually having a legit hardware problem with the update aside from "Thanks to the new map, I had to turn a setting down a notch. But, thanks to the DX9 update, I can turn this other setting up a notch!"

This thread is something of an anomaly. But so is the poster. Guess that's fair enough then, eh?

Pyrogasm - Heavens Tear

TobiasTiger - Lost City wrote: »

So from everything I've seen, PWI is basically telling those of us that have slightly older systems, that we need to upgrade our computers or not play. And it also seems like some players, who can play after this new patch, say the same thing. Well, for various reasons, most of us can't do that.

I'm on permanent disability with a very small, limited income. I live by myself, all of my family is out of town if not out of state and not a lot of them left these days anyway. When I first started this game 3+ years ago it played great on the same computer I have. It's a shame I wasted those 3+ years on a company like PWI.

So PWI if you say upgrade or don't play, I have to say I wont play then. And PWI you're really not very smart, in a business sense, by doing this.

First of all, im sorry to hear that about you (or about anyone in this situation).
On the other hand, better graphics, better game-play etc come hand in hand with new technology and stuff. And all these come hand in hand with a better PC. Its like asking for an ultra modern website that should run on IE6 (myea had to do that at work once). That is not possible.
Its not your fault, but nor PWI's eighter. Its just how it is.

OIdpop - Heavens Tear

TobiasTiger - Lost City wrote: »

So from everything I've seen, PWI is basically telling those of us that have slightly older systems, that we need to upgrade our computers or not play. And it also seems like some players, who can play after this new patch, say the same thing. Well, for various reasons, most of us can't do that.

I'm on permanent disability with a very small, limited income. I live by myself, all of my family is out of town if not out of state and not a lot of them left these days anyway. When I first started this game 3+ years ago it played great on the same computer I have. It's a shame I wasted those 3+ years on a company like PWI.

So PWI if you say upgrade or don't play, I have to say I wont play then. And PWI you're really not very smart, in a business sense, by doing this.

Dude..directx 90c uhhhh how hard is it to download lolololol

no offense,i assume your computer was a wally world computer and yes you need to update.But my secondary comp is way over 3 years old and i have no probs but i did build it so it had more future chances to be upgraded...hell the processor in it is a amd 2600xp..old.

now i do have the final party of my 2012 machine coming in..woot and its gonna be sweet!!!!!And its overkill for a game like this but i didnt make it for a game like this.

SylenThunder - Twilight Temple

MyuMyu - Harshlands wrote: »

This. Buying a cheap laptop / desktop / video card / whatever, cost like... not more than $400-$500? or maybe even less?
If you cant afford that, then focus on your irl work first? find another way to get income, like several part time jobs?

If cant, then cut down other entertainment fee first? smoke? beer? coffee? new clothes?
b:surrender

Actually you can get a pretty decent refurbished system from WalMart for $150 or so, and laptops for no much more than that. We're talking i5, 500GB+ HD, decent graphics, monitor, speakers, the whole lot for under $200. I'll probably get my next system from there and then upgrade a couple of core components. (The selection they have available varies, so get em while they're hot.)

If you can't afford a new system, upgrade your video card for $15. http://www.txmicro.com/ is a good source for upgrading equipment that's slightly out of date.

Fintan - Lost City

OIdpop - Heavens Tear wrote: »

And its overkill for a game like this but i didnt make it for a game like this.

My machines are overkill for a game like this, but they were built in hopes of eventually getting a DirectX 9 upgrade to the game. Thankfully, someone had common sense and my investments paid off. (Maybe in 5 more years, we'll see a DX10 upgrade!)

TCHP - Lost City

I think the fact that u need to upgrade your PC is a good thing. Not for your pocket but it proves that PWI has a plan to keep the game running for a few more year. If the game was to stay behind on hardware, it would become incompatible whit future OS and hardware and people would quit for a better game. Not that they already do it, but it would be 1 more reason.

MoonsMyst - Heavens Tear

TCHP maybe we been play this game just for that fact we didnt need to upgrade our pc, if we upgrade what will stop us than to go and play some beter and advanced games, i can always say wow now i have uber pc and i can fanily go and play some awesome game which i couldnt played before.

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary

SylenThunder - Sanctuary wrote: »

Actually you can get a pretty decent refurbished system from WalMart for $150 or so, and laptops for no much more than that. We're talking i5, 500GB+ HD, decent graphics, monitor, speakers, the whole lot for under $200. I'll probably get my next system from there and then upgrade a couple of core components. (The selection they have available varies, so get em while they're hot.)

If you can't afford a new system, upgrade your video card for $15. http://www.txmicro.com/ is a good source for upgrading equipment that's slightly out of date.

So uh, there's a lot of oxymoron in that statement.

Wal*Mart sells throwaway computers for cheap, because that's what they are, cheap.

Laptops aren't upgradeable, save for RAM, unless you buy a modular laptop or (shudder) make your own.

And i5 for desktops has had more issues than Intel or the socket suppliers would care to admit.

If you really want a system that can 'handle' PWI, $150 will get you a top of the line system from a few years ago, Socket 775 (which actually works and won't melt pins in the LGA), 48xx video card, 4 GB of RAM or so, but you have to actually LOOK for these deals.

GallaxXIII - Sanctuary

orrrr youve spent too much time and money on internet payments and playing pw. instead of making more money.

you cant expect pw to cater to you.

SylenThunder - Twilight Temple

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »

So uh, there's a lot of oxymoron in that statement.

Wal*Mart sells throwaway computers for cheap, because that's what they are, cheap.

Laptops aren't upgradeable, save for RAM, unless you buy a modular laptop or (shudder) make your own.

And i5 for desktops has had more issues than Intel or the socket suppliers would care to admit.

If you really want a system that can 'handle' PWI, $150 will get you a top of the line system from a few years ago, Socket 775 (which actually works and won't melt pins in the LGA), 48xx video card, 4 GB of RAM or so, but you have to actually LOOK for these deals.

A cheap i5 is still better than an outdated P4. They are cheap because the components are mass-manufactured, and because they use integrated components. It's easy to then get a couple of good components for relatively cheap and upgrade the system. You then have a PC that is equivalent to a $1,000 system for merely a few hundred bucks.

I wasn't referring to laptops for upgrading, although I see how you could mis-understand that. You can upgrade the Ram, the HD, and in some cases, the DVD-Rom, the video card, the processor (within limits), and the wireless module. It's not really cost-effective to upgrade anything other than the hard drive or the wireless though because the components typically cost almost as much as the laptop.

The issues with the i5 that you refer to, are more recent 2nd generation chipsets, and it is also affecting the i7 line as well. Intel has a proactive replacement program in place already. Anything you purchase now should not be defective, as Intel has already pulled those from the market.

Selak - Dreamweaver

I had similar problems with my machine after installing he update
To fix i needed too install direct x 9.0c (SDK) Software Development Kit which fixed mine.

(Note: Direct x 9.0c normal install did not add the missing file for me.)

When a friend of mine pressed start to start elementclient it crashed to desktop everytime with no warnings.
Fixed by reinstalling C++ runtime libarays. hope it helps.

TobiasTiger - Lost City

Those were some of the first things I tried. Like I've said numerous times, this thread was not me asking for help. I know what the problem is. I know what I will have to do to fix it. None of that is the focus of this thread.

PWI gave us the option to turn all the pretty stuff off. Now we no longer have that option. It does not matter that I had all that stuff off. PWI is turning players away by disregarding their preferences. The same preferences that were ok before are no longer ok.

I know most of you like all the pretty stuff in game and that's cool. There are a lot of us that would continue to enjoy PW but can't now.

As for any extra money, I barely have enough now for each month. I lose a couple pounds usually towards the end of the month just 'cause I'm tired of eating oatmeal. But I make it. And I'm not complaining about it either. I have enough each month to pay my rent, phone, and internet. I make sure my little furry terrorist, Tobias T. Tiger, has enough cat food and litter for the month. After that I get other supplies for the month and then my money is gone, until next month.

I am disabled because I have an aggressive form of Rheumatoid arthritis. It attacks all the joints in the body and on some days I can't walk. Some days it hurts to move. Anything. I'm not complaining about anything I have to live with. It is what it is.

I didn't want to go into all that but some folks make it necessary. My point for this thread was to let PWI know that a lot of us can no longer be a customer. And that is a shame, we had fun.

ZoracGallant - Raging Tide

I'll be honest, it is a shame, but it is also a cost of providing a continous service. In order for PWI to continue to operate they NEEDED an upgrade to the engine and they finally got it. It's unfornuate some people have GPU's incompatible with directx 9c, but again 9c is in itself outdate and PWI did not force players to update to current standards which MANY games do because that would have forced many more players not to be able to play.

Facts of the matter are, if you would post your system specs there are several people on this forum that can help you get your PC to work, even if the card is not specificly 9c compatible, because there are ways to do, but it takes someone who knows what they are doing.

maocchi

So you wanted to just tell PWI that you can no longer be a customer?
What's with all the unnecessary commotion then?
If you've said what you needed to say just leave it at that...I don't get why you are trying to fend off people who are trying to give you advices to keep playing even if you don't want them.

From the points you are trying to make, it looks to me like you are trying to draw sympathy (and let's be clear that you having no extra money and disability have absolutely nothing to do with "PWI turning players away by disregarding their preference"). We've established that this move wasn't particularly a "bad business model" as you are trying to make it out to be either because like I said in my first post, for "a lot" of players that are going to quit this game due to not meeting the system requirement, there are going to be "a lot" of players drawn in by the leap in technology. So this thread really has no point left to argue other than "feel sorry for me because I can no longer play".