Sins DO NOT need a nerf

Hurrdurr - Lothranis

Antlion - Lost City wrote: »

sins Balanced? OK... lets see.....

1.THEY WTF Twitch kill Players (pretty much everything) in few secs..

2.They can solo bosses (no Joke... http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1201481&highlight=Solo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CUMEb5lNIU)

3.They cannot Die (Duh.... errm ok this depends on the player... i think?)

4.They have a " Gap Closer" with a very outrageous range and a stun

5.They have a Gap... wait i said that... erm AH!, A STUN, SILENCE, SLEEP, Pretty much they can Perma Stun....

and List goes on.... b:surrender

.... Really what did the Devs Smoke when they made the Sins... b:worried

a) wiz can on shot everything

2) BMs can solo bosses too, and venos before APS era.

3) Yes they can, derp.

4) Wizards can shrink and then demon emberstorm or MS or stone rain

5) So can BMs

b:bye

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear

Antlion - Lost City wrote: »

.... Really what did the Devs Smoke when they made the Sins... b:worried

Ultimate melee class ? b:shocked (joke)

Or in their theory, playing melee with light armor is too much handicap
(especially with crappy evasion chance)
so they decided to put some rather special skills in assassin class. b:shutup

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

Hurrdurr - Lothranis wrote: »

a) wiz can on shot everything

2) BMs can solo bosses too, and venos before APS era.

3) Yes they can, derp.

4) Wizards can shrink and then demon emberstorm or MS or stone rain

5) So can BMs

b:bye

You just named a bunch of classes. Sins have all of the super abilities in one class. The other classes have things called trade-offs. b:bye

Hurrdurr - Lothranis

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

You just named a bunch of classes. Sins have all of the super abilities in one class. The other classes have things called trade-offs. b:bye

No, I named the classes that are superior to sin in those areas, read carefully please. Sin's tradeoff is being good at nothing for being average at everything.

b:bye Stop trying to troll me.

MiniST - Sanctuary

One criteria to being a decent troll: make sure your post count does not exceed everyone else's put together b:bye Otherwise, your trolling yourself.

_Bloody_Fox_ - Sanctuary

Troll. It is a FACT that sins are OP.

Hurrdurr - Lothranis

MiniST - Sanctuary wrote: »

One criteria to being a decent troll: make sure your post count does not exceed everyone else's put together b:bye Otherwise, your trolling yourself.

It's actually you're. Post count =/= trolling. Post count = helpful.

_Bloody_Fox_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Troll. I think it is a FACT that sins are OP.

I disproved it.

_Bloody_Fox_ - Sanctuary

Hurrdurr - Lothranis wrote: »

It's actually you're. Post count =/= trolling. Post count = helpful.



I disproved it.

Disprove a sin 2 sparking out of stealth and dropping my cleric in seconds.
Disprove the fact that not only was I not expecting it, I had no time to survive.
Disprove the fact that without having to get certain genie skills, Casters are doomed.

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

Hurrdurr - Lothranis wrote: »

No, I named the classes that are superior to sin in those areas, read carefully please. Sin's tradeoff is being good at nothing for being average at everything.

b:bye Stop trying to troll me.

Why you don't stop writing this BS? Wizy cannot never beat sin 1v1 with same gear. Stop writing BS.b:angry

Hurrdurr - Lothranis

_Bloody_Fox_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Disprove a sin 2 sparking out of stealth and dropping my cleric in seconds.
Disprove the fact that not only was I not expecting it, I had no time to survive.
Disprove the fact that without having to get certain genie skills, Casters are doomed.

Double sparked wiz can do the same.
Wiz can do the same
Wiz can one shot without genie skills

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Why you don't stop writing this BS? Wizy cannot never beat sin 1v1 with same gear. Stop writing BS.b:angry

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZQDjqBlQvc&feature=g-all-u&context=G21871a4FAAAAAAAAAAA

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

Hurrdurr - Lothranis wrote: »

No, I named the classes that are superior to sin in those areas, read carefully please. Sin's tradeoff is being good at nothing for being average at everything.

b:bye Stop trying to troll me.

Sins can do everything. That's the whole problem. And they aren't just average at it either, they can solo far faster than a veno, and more time-efficiently than a bm. They can stunlock more safely than a bm considering they are a walking safe zone. None of the other classes you named are good at everything, even if they are good at certain things. Sins are good at pretty everything except group PK. Where I'll take the word of people far more experienced than I am, that an archer is going to better when you compare the original light armor class.

Hurrdurr - Lothranis

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Sins can do everything. That's the whole problem. And they aren't just average at it either, they can solo far faster than a veno, and more time-efficiently than a bm. They can stunlock more safely than a bm considering they are a walking safe zone. None of the other classes you named are good at everything, even if they are good at certain things. Sins are good at pretty everything except group PK. Where I'll take the word of people far more experienced than I am, that an archer is going to better when you compare the original light armor class.

Even going by your irrational argument, sins do not excel at everything.

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

Hurrdurr - Lothranis wrote: »

Double sparked wiz can do the same.
Wiz can do the same
Wiz can one shot without genie skills



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZQDjqBlQvc&feature=g-all-u&context=G21871a4FAAAAAAAAAAA

Jezus. That sin was was fighting unstealthed. Lol.
Wizy have no chance to sin who knows another buttons than autoattack. And it took soooooo long to beat him.
Anyway you post one example but you don't post another 10000x where wizy drop in second.b:bye

Hurrdurr - Lothranis

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Jezus. That sin was was fighting unstealthed. Lol.
Wizy have no chance to sin who knows another buttons than autoattack. And it took soooooo long to beat him.
Anyway you post one example but you don't post another 10000x where wizy drop in second.b:bye

Not enough wizards record b:bye

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

Hurrdurr - Lothranis wrote: »

Even going by your irrational argument, sins do not excel at everything.

Okay, I'll give you aoe too. Aoe and group pk. But, yeah they are pretty good at everything they'll encounter. BP has even rendered clerics useless in certain instances, the most profitable ones. Focused mind acts as a fantastic shield. And no, it's not irrational at all. A class that is good at pretty much every little thing, rather than specializing in one thing like the other classes do, is OP.

Hurrdurr - Lothranis

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Okay, I'll give you aoe too. Aoe and group pk. But, yeah they are pretty good at everything they'll encounter. BP has even rendered clerics useless in certain instances, the most profitable ones. Focused mind acts as a fantastic shield. And no, it's not irrational at all. A class that is good at pretty much every little thing, rather than specializing in one thing like the other classes do, is OP.

I think you're not in a good position to judge since you're clearly biased and hate sins for replacing you.

Euthymius - Heavens Tear

Hurrdurr - Lothranis wrote: »

I think you're not in a good position to judge since you're clearly biased and hate sins for replacing you.

That is not biased in the least. Its pretty much true...many sins+bms do three man Nirvana or solo/duo TTs because BP's the only heal they need.

Hurrdurr - Lothranis

Euthymius - Heavens Tear wrote: »

That is not biased in the least. Its pretty much true...many sins+bms do three man Nirvana or solo/duo TTs because BP's the only heal they need.

Still don't get how that makes sin OP. BP is not a self buff.

QQ clerics are OP because their squad buffs allows me to solo FC on my archer.

HardToThink - Lost City

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Why you don't stop writing this BS? Wizy cannot never beat sin 1v1 with same gear. Stop writing BS.b:angry

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Jezus. That sin was was fighting unstealthed. Lol.
Wizy have no chance to sin who knows another buttons than autoattack. And it took soooooo long to beat him.
Anyway you post one example but you don't post another 10000x where wizy drop in second.b:bye

Um, you said equal gear. Ziltch is rank 9 full +10-12 and jades sin and was full buffed at the time.(I'm hh99/hh90) The sins I'm equal geared with from that one are are freaktrain and kkaija. Sins are stupidly strong in group pvp I agree on that atleast. But in 1vs1's if you can run away until tidals gone you can kill them.

Hurrdurr - Lothranis

HardToThink - Lost City wrote: »

Um, you said equal gear. Ziltch is rank 9 full +10-12 and jades sin and was full buffed at the time.(I'm hh99/hh90) The sins I'm equal geared with from that one are are freaktrain and kkaija. Sins are stupidly strong in group pvp I agree on that atleast. But in 1vs1's if you can run away until tidals gone you can kill them.

Zingggggggggg

pwiqq

I disagree.
the archer is the stupidest class.
So Romeo would, were he not Romeo call'd,
Retain that dear perfection which he owes
Without that title. Romeo, doff thy name,
And for that name which is no part of thee
Take all myself.
I take thee at thy word:
Booger Call me but love, and I'll be new baptized;
panda Henceforth I never will be Romeo ta la la ta bama.
is What man art thou that thus bescreen'd in night
Stup idstumblest on my counsel ta la la ba counsel i am?
By a name
I know not how to tell thee who I am:
My name, dear saint, is hateful to myself,
Because it is an enemy to thee;
Had I it written, I would tear the word.
My ears have not yet drunk a hundred words
Of that tongue's utterance, yet I know the sound:
Art thou not Romeo and a Montague?
Neither, fair saint, if either thee dislike.
How camest thou hither, tell me, and wherefore?
The orchard walls are high and hard to climb,
And the place death, considering who thou art,
If any of my kinsmen find thee here.
With love's light wings did I o'er-perch these walls;
For stony limits cannot hold love out,
And what love can do that dares love attempt;
Therefore thy kinsmen are no let to me.
If they do see thee, they will murder thee.
Alack, there lies more peril in thine eye
Than twenty of their swords: look thou but sweet,
And I am proof against their enmity.
I would not for the world they saw thee here.
I have night's cloak to hide me from their sight;
And but thou love me, let them find me here:
My life were better ended by their hate,
Than death prorogued, wanting of thy love.
By whose direction found'st thou out this place?
By love, who first did prompt me to inquire;
He lent me counsel and I lent him eyes.
I am no pilot; yet, wert thou as far
As that vast shore wash'd with the farthest sea,
I would adventure for such merchandise.
Thou know'st the mask of night is on my face,
Else would a maiden blush bepaint my cheek
For that which thou hast heard me speak to-night
Fain would I dwell on form, fain, fain deny
What I have spoke: but farewell compliment!
Dost thou love me? I know thou wilt say 'Ay,'
And I will take thy word: yet if thou swear'st,
Thou mayst prove false; at lovers' perjuries
Then say, Jove laughs. O gentle Romeo,
If thou dost love, pronounce it faithfully:
Or if thou think'st I am too quickly won,
I'll frown and be perverse an say thee nay,
So thou wilt woo; but else, not for the world.
In truth, fair Montague, I am too fond,
And therefore thou mayst think my 'havior light:
But trust me, gentleman, I'll prove more true
Than those that have more cunning to be strange.
I should have been more strange, I must confess,
But that thou overheard'st, ere I was ware,
My true love's passion: therefore pardon me,
And not impute this yielding to light love,
Which the dark night hath so discovered.
Lady, by yonder blessed moon I swear
That tips with silver all these fruit-tree tops--
O, swear not by the moon, the inconstant moon,
That monthly changes in her circled orb,
Lest that thy love prove likewise variable.
What shall I swear by?
Do not swear at all;
Or, if thou wilt, swear by thy gracious self,
Which is the god of my idolatry,
And I'll believe thee. 120
If my heart's dear love--
Well, do not swear: although I joy in thee,
I have no joy of this contract to-night:
It is too rash, too unadvised, too sudden;
Too like the lightning, which doth cease to be
Ere one can say 'It lightens.' Sweet, good night!
This bud of love, by summer's ripening breath,
May prove a beauteous flower when next we meet.
Good night, good night! as sweet repose and rest
Come to thy heart as that within my breast!
O, wilt thou leave me so unsatisfied?
What satisfaction canst thou have to-night?
The exchange of thy love's faithful vow for mine.
I gave thee mine before thou didst request it:
And yet I would it were to give again.
Wouldst thou withdraw it? for what purpose, love?
But to be frank, and give it thee again.
And yet I wish but for the thing I have:



b:bye

pwiqq

But, soft! what light through yonder window breaks?
It is the east, and Juliet is the sun.
Arise, fair sun, and kill the envious moon,
Who is already sick and pale with grief, 5
That thou her maid art far more fair than she:
Be not her maid, since she is envious;
Her vestal livery is but sick and green
And none but fools do wear it; cast it off.
It is my lady, O, it is my love!
boring thread

pwiqq

what do pengins use for napkins

flapkins

b:laugh
b:laugh
b:laugh

Eccii - Raging Tide

pwiqq wrote: »

I disagree.
the archer is the stupidest class.
So Romeo would, were he not Romeo call'd,
Retain that dear perfection which he owes
Without that title. Romeo, doff thy name,
And for that name which is no part of thee
Take all myself.
I take thee at thy word:
Booger Call me but love, and I'll be new baptized;
panda Henceforth I never will be Romeo ta la la ta bama.
is What man art thou that thus bescreen'd in night
Stup idstumblest on my counsel ta la la ba counsel i am?
By a name
I know not how to tell thee who I am:
My name, dear saint, is hateful to myself,
Because it is an enemy to thee;
Had I it written, I would tear the word.
My ears have not yet drunk a hundred words
Of that tongue's utterance, yet I know the sound:
Art thou not Romeo and a Montague?
Neither, fair saint, if either thee dislike.
How camest thou hither, tell me, and wherefore?
The orchard walls are high and hard to climb,
And the place death, considering who thou art,
If any of my kinsmen find thee here.
With love's light wings did I o'er-perch these walls;
For stony limits cannot hold love out,
And what love can do that dares love attempt;
Therefore thy kinsmen are no let to me.
If they do see thee, they will murder thee.
Alack, there lies more peril in thine eye
Than twenty of their swords: look thou but sweet,
And I am proof against their enmity.
I would not for the world they saw thee here.
I have night's cloak to hide me from their sight;
And but thou love me, let them find me here:
My life were better ended by their hate,
Than death prorogued, wanting of thy love.
By whose direction found'st thou out this place?
By love, who first did prompt me to inquire;
He lent me counsel and I lent him eyes.
I am no pilot; yet, wert thou as far
As that vast shore wash'd with the farthest sea,
I would adventure for such merchandise.
Thou know'st the mask of night is on my face,
Else would a maiden blush bepaint my cheek
For that which thou hast heard me speak to-night
Fain would I dwell on form, fain, fain deny
What I have spoke: but farewell compliment!
Dost thou love me? I know thou wilt say 'Ay,'
And I will take thy word: yet if thou swear'st,
Thou mayst prove false; at lovers' perjuries
Then say, Jove laughs. O gentle Romeo,
If thou dost love, pronounce it faithfully:
Or if thou think'st I am too quickly won,
I'll frown and be perverse an say thee nay,
So thou wilt woo; but else, not for the world.
In truth, fair Montague, I am too fond,
And therefore thou mayst think my 'havior light:
But trust me, gentleman, I'll prove more true
Than those that have more cunning to be strange.
I should have been more strange, I must confess,
But that thou overheard'st, ere I was ware,
My true love's passion: therefore pardon me,
And not impute this yielding to light love,
Which the dark night hath so discovered.
Lady, by yonder blessed moon I swear
That tips with silver all these fruit-tree tops--
O, swear not by the moon, the inconstant moon,
That monthly changes in her circled orb,
Lest that thy love prove likewise variable.
What shall I swear by?
Do not swear at all;
Or, if thou wilt, swear by thy gracious self,
Which is the god of my idolatry,
And I'll believe thee. 120
If my heart's dear love--
Well, do not swear: although I joy in thee,
I have no joy of this contract to-night:
It is too rash, too unadvised, too sudden;
Too like the lightning, which doth cease to be
Ere one can say 'It lightens.' Sweet, good night!
This bud of love, by summer's ripening breath,
May prove a beauteous flower when next we meet.
Good night, good night! as sweet repose and rest
Come to thy heart as that within my breast!
O, wilt thou leave me so unsatisfied?
What satisfaction canst thou have to-night?
The exchange of thy love's faithful vow for mine.
I gave thee mine before thou didst request it:
And yet I would it were to give again.
Wouldst thou withdraw it? for what purpose, love?
But to be frank, and give it thee again.
And yet I wish but for the thing I have:



b:bye

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Pink fits you better.

pwiqq

what is one word a dog can say?

bark!

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b:laugh

pwiqq

Eccii - Raging Tide wrote: »

nvm o.o

thanks

nice fix

pwiqq

Knock Knock
Who's there?
Boo
Boo Who?
Don't Cry it's only a joke

b:cry
b:cry
b:cry

pwiqq

what do you take before a meal?

a seat b:shutup b:shutup b:shutup

pwiqq

Why do birds fly south in the winter?

Because it's too far to walk!

this one made ROFL in RL LOLOLOLOLOLOL b:laugh b:laugh

pwiqq

anybody know a funny joke? b:shocked b:laugh b:chuckle