tw map reset

Northern - Dreamweaver

Didn't we have one about this time last year? Whats people opinon about an anual reset or even a six month reset. That would keep the map with action on it and stop total map domination by one single group of 200 players.

Nalfien_ - Sanctuary

1 year, maybe. 6 months, no. only reasoning TW provideds funds for the very few ppl out there who dont dump their wallets into this game b:surrender and the 6 months would be to frequent for any one faction to get a decent amount of money to share to split with the stated 200 members.

Kweer - Sanctuary

Last year this game was having a serious issue with factions dominating the maps.

Now, not so much. With the progress of rank gear, nirvana, packs, hypers, fc, ect.....its become a private server whose territories are constantly shifting hands among the factions who have no lives/has the most cash.

No, I am not lolumad. Just stating the truth. At least PWI successfully balanced the Territory Wars. Let's just ignore the fact they threw the rest of the game balance into chaos.

Eventually, when everyone catches up (this time next year), we will run into TW domination issues again.

ApocaIypto - Dreamweaver

meh

if reset that often, no faction have enough time to take the whole map

also, would it change anything? dominating faction would still dominate.

beating low lvl factions for lands, is that what u want? atm here its regen (1) vs dyna (2), spades (3) and tempest (4), what u want more? just lands and have no fights and no fun? wonder why we bother gear up then lol

Kirila - Harshlands

Kweer - Sanctuary wrote: »

Last year this game was having a serious issue with factions dominating the maps.

Now, not so much. .

appearantly u never seen the Harshlands map. We surely got a dominating faction there that is unstoppable..

_Mg_Zr - Heavens Tear

Kirila - Harshlands wrote: »

appearantly u never seen the Harshlands map. We surely got a dominating faction there that is unstoppable..

Or Heavens Tear map b:surrender

MagicEmpress - Lost City

Lost has almost a perfect balance of power between four guilds.

SashaGray - Heavens Tear

want better tw? suck less.
there enough over-cash shopped people on every server to fill 6 factions easily. or you can just QQ and have the GMs win tw for you again. b:bye

KingThis - Heavens Tear

SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »

want better tw? suck less.
there enough over-cash shopped people on every server to fill 6 factions easily. or you can just QQ and have the GMs win tw for you again. b:bye

Will i get toast for dinner if i QQ?

No need to reset. maybe a reset every 1.5 years, so people get to beat on the mobs and get a ton of colors on the map, *** pride map anyone?b:bye

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

TW is pretty **** on my server and peaked about 4-5 months after reset. They should do resets every 9 months or so.

MageMERC - Harshlands

I don't think resetting the map is the answer at all. There are systems in place that allow the map domination to occur in the first place. On HL now, Crimson I think it is are on the way and prolly own 75% now. (apologies if its not Crimson - either them or Catalyst I cant remember)

As I've said previously I would like to see more TW, at random times around the clock to limit the restrictions on the numbers and times of TW which advantages the big factions, but at the same time giving adequate rewards to those factions with the strength and skill to own more than one faction.

I would like to see a trial something like this:
1 - no restriction whatsoever on times - chosen by the bidding faction
2 - maximum number of attacks on one faction's territories say 4 or 6
3 - tiered rewards for owning territories - you hold one 5mill a week, you own 2, 10mill, you own 3 20mill, 4 50 etc
4 - huge penalty for no-shows - say 1% of all bidding members coins go to the winning faction leader or something like that

no doubt you more experiences gamers could come up with something better, but the devs need to realize that TW is very popular yet they restrict it, which makes no sense to me.

J_Voorhees - Heavens Tear

I would just set real random TW times... end of story.

F.e. TW starts on Wednesday at 3.42 am servertime, next 1 starts on Wednesday 12:17 pm


If the holding faction is not on they loose the land. Each land can only be attacked once in a week.

Mayatheia - Heavens Tear

1st of all the map reset was not last year around this time, it was in the begining of March 2nd or 3rd not sure, when EG were released.
Resetting the map in less than 1 year means not giving enough time for one faction to at least try and take over the whole map. Which in the end is the "tangible" goal of TW aka world domination.
Map reset every 1.5 years sound more like a solution to solve the handicap that most srvs have, 1 dominating faction and the rest of srv QQ about not being able to take them down. then GMs come and act like a mommy that will take away the toys from the bad kids and reset the playing ground so that the QQers have their share too at least for a short period of time.
And yeah im in one of those dominating factions, and honestly i feel bad for those who cannot beat us, and instead of trying harder or doing their best to try it, they sit back and start the mass QQ about map reset.
YOU GUYS ARE NO FUN!

HaoHan - Heavens Tear

GM, plox reset the map on Heaven Tears .... pL0x!!!!!!! The bad bad bad bad bad bad faction Enrage is gonna occupy all the maps sooner or later. ///////////////////// b:sad They are not goooooooooooood............... And always makes me cry ((((((((((((((( b:cry pl0xxxxxxxx GMMMMMMMMMMM.. Reset all maps on Heaven Tears N0W!!!!!!!!!







b:laugh

Mayatheia - Heavens Tear

You are not doing it right Hao!
the real QQer starts by spamming tickets to the GMs, and tell them how bad Enrage are, try to get them banned for any stupid reasons, then explain how there is nothing left to do in game and if the map will not be reset, they will lose interest in the game and will never charge again.
Thats all it matters in the end.

Kweer - Sanctuary

SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »

want better tw? suck less.
there enough over-cash shopped people on every server to fill 6 factions easily. or you can just QQ and have the GMs win tw for you again. b:bye

This.

If you can't beat the dominating faction, then your faction either A) is not ran properly or is full of idiots.

Or maybe it isn't the competition that sucks, its the TW system itself. I mean...really, if you stop to think about it....its been what, 3 or so years? And factions are still doing the same maneuvers, its the same maps, its the same rules.

Anyone would get bored of it eventually. I know I did, both as a player and as a previous leader of a faction.

So maybe the solution is to revamp the TW system, not reset the map?

Northern - Dreamweaver

I don't know, I thought the goal of tw was to have fun fighting in mass warfare. As it stands in my server, you fight regen or thats it. Well, honestly I don't feel like fighting the most powerfull one everytime. It is frankly not very fun. Generally it takes them about 5 mins per tw to kill all 3 attacking factions...eventually won't even bother logging in to try.

Not really QQ, just thinking it would make it fun to fight random not the best faction again. Half the time i think they should just take all the tw pay away an infact make it cost coin to own a land:)

CatManDoo - Dreamweaver

Maybe u havent notice, but lately if Dynasty, Tempest and Spades gank Regenesis, Regen have lost one land at least and other 2 tw-s last 20-60 min i think.

ReMakaBo - Archosaur

I think they should just fix the ganking system- More lands = more potential ganks slots-

LoraTab - Dreamweaver

Well, yes sure we are winning a land if all three factions gank. It doesn't make it very fun though is the point. We only get to keep them from taking the map at the cost of we can't have any tws against the more equal powered/experienced factions.

Just saying after 6 months to a year, it's nice if they change it up an reset it.

lordmot

Why not just limit the number of territories any one faction can control? Maybe limit it to a quarter of the map, or half, whatever. At least you would have a more dynamic map and more factions could have a shot at territory ownership. Granted, the Superpowers wouldn't like this, but it's kinda like that already - they are limited to the whole map. When Calamity owned the whole map on DW, TW pretty much died on the server, then Calamity died not too long after. Now Calamity's successor, Regen is on it's way to repeating the whole process.

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

lordmot wrote: »

Why not just limit the number of territories any one faction can control? Maybe limit it to a quarter of the map, or half, whatever. At least you would have a more dynamic map and more factions could have a shot at territory ownership. Granted, the Superpowers wouldn't like this, but it's kinda like that already - they are limited to the whole map. When Calamity owned the whole map on DW, TW pretty much died on the server, then Calamity died not too long after. Now Calamity's successor, Regen is on it's way to repeating the whole process.

Artificial limits could lend themselves to deadlock situations where no faction is capable of placing attacks on any other. They should just remove the restriction on simultaneous attacks and let things balance out naturally. If you can still defend the entire map when the entire server attacks you (none of this 3 at a time nonsense) then you deserve it.

Miugre - Heavens Tear

Some good suggestions here, but in the end it all comes down to what PWE can do, because if it's anything that requires code modification, we don't have a prayer of getting it. Ast's removal of the 3-attacker limit is a good example... it would do a lot of good, I'd wager, but we'll never see it. So the only question is, should PWE do the only thing it can (reset the map), and if so, how often?

This discussion has been had before, but in brief: there does need to be a way for smaller and/or more casual factions to have their shot at land-owning, if only temporary (and by "a shot," I don't mean "an opportunity to be killfarmed for however long it takes the defender to get bored"). The larger, serious factions should certainly be able to have their fun and compete for the larger, serious rewards, but this shouldn't exempt the other factions. That's the overhaul that needs to happen, dev-wise.

In the meantime, the occasional reset by PWE should be enough to keep things fresh. How "occasional" that is, I could care less, as long as it happens. XD

ResMePls - Heavens Tear

My Suggesti0n.. They sh0uld c0ntinue with what they started in Facti0n base wars. 0nly instead y0u c0uld request battle with an0ther facti0n like any 0ther TW, and then 0n Friday,Sat, 0r Sunday, y0u fight that facti0n to win 10mil c0ins 0r s0mething. Alth0ugh the facti0n y0u wish t0 fight must accept first.

mogwai

Agreed, let there be an annual 1-year map reset, the cashshopping factions will then need all year to regain the whole map b:victory

As for limited # of territories controlled i like this idea BUT some people like PvE TW.

However in the case of 1 year resets i suppose you'll want to take out the herc tickets that drop >.>


Main problem is we are talking about ONE FACTION ruling the map, where in truth it's the same user(s) with multiple factions, possibly across servers as well.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

Northern - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Didn't we have one about this time last year? Whats people opinon about an anual reset or even a six month reset. That would keep the map with action on it and stop total map domination by one single group of 200 players.

yeah last year, a reset for the first time in 2.5years doesnt actually make it a annual.

besides.

There is no reason pwi side has to fuss with a reset when its the players themselves that willingly choose to group up every single time with the strongest faction, instead of giving themselves some tw challenges. And then those players complain its boring, and the those that arent there, complain the maps dominated.

Its not what pwi can do. Its how the players themselves choose to play out what is given.

Olbaze - Sanctuary

Um...

Anyone who's asking for an annual reset should realize that there's exactly 51 territories total. And that there's 52 weeks in a year. Meaning that a single faction would have to bid and win every single TW attack they have for a full year to even get close to dominating the map.

And besides, at least on my server, the map is currently split into four distinct parts:
1. Majorfaction1
2. Majorfaction2
3. Majorfaction3
4. Smaller factions owning 1-2 territories, total <10 territories

Any kind of limitation on the number of territories one faction can own will result in a deadlock for the best factions, since after reaching the limits they can't attack, not even each other, meaning they'd be stuck defending against the weaker factions, or giving their lands away. And eventually that would result in factions who simply don't deserve territories to have them, because all the good ones are deadlocked.

Also, TW is endgame stuff, so complaining that your 50 member faction with an average level of 80 cannot own territories is just funny.

And it's not like owning a territory is something special. Unless you happen to own one of the big cities, all you pretty much get is a weekly paycheck, a free teleport that might be useless and a pretty-much useless NPC.

But yes, considering the current level of gear, the limit of 3 defenses at the same time is ridiculous. They should either remove it completely or at least make it larger. Because it's obviously not working anymore.

ImNotFiveAps - Dreamweaver

_Mg_Zr - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Or Heavens Tear map b:surrender

Or dreamweaver map b:cryb:surrender

Mayatheia - Heavens Tear

How about start working on getting something instead of QQing to have that something be taken from those who worked for it?

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »

Any kind of limitation on the number of territories one faction can own will result in a deadlock for the best factions, since after reaching the limits they can't attack, not even each other, meaning they'd be stuck defending against the weaker factions, or giving their lands away. And eventually that would result in factions who simply don't deserve territories to have them, because all the good ones are deadlocked.

not really >.> if u seen past tws and how they went. these factions just have to move is all. I know at least 1 'major' faction on our server that never attacks another big faction unless they know their doubling with one of the other 2. While the other 2 will attack anyone regardless. It takes some gamble and balls to get out of a deadlock though. Or else youll end up playing on your alt in the alt fac, poking smaller factions while doing nothing but defend small fries in your big fac, till the day comes to play safe again and attack another major fac under the shadows of another

SashaGray - Heavens Tear

KingThis - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Will i get toast for dinner if i QQ?

No need to reset. maybe a reset every 1.5 years, so people get to beat on the mobs and get a ton of colors on the map, *** pride map anyone?b:bye

you'll get toast no matter what b:cute