Real Players Just got screwed?!?

Myelene - Lost City

i just want PWI permaban everyone... well now what i really want, i want them to fix the game, the glitches that are really anoying like rubberband, restore the droprate as it was, and some other rates, and the rebirth of the gods, i dont care who got to lvl 105 or past 100 with a clitch i care about the things make this game enjoyable and that is the content and it is really lame after lvl 90

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

Nniotora - Lost City wrote: »

i wonder if they started banning ppl for goonz they should also bann all those ppl who GLITCHED medals to get rank9 will that happen no so ppl should stop complaining its getting just to stupid now every day a new tread about this or have every1 banned who has a 69 cape cuz no1 has legit got that 1 yet without abusing a squad exploid
BTW where is the option IDC cuz thats what i do ther eisnt a big dif in 101-105 maybe on pve server its bigged but pvp not much

Of course every glitcher like you will defend his opinion not to punish cheaters.

Nniotora - Lost City

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Of course every glitcher like you will defend his opinion not to punish cheaters.

b:bye to bad i havent glitched i stopped playing when i heard about it but nice try if i did i wouldnt be 3 months 104 but again nice try. Just wondering you prolly abused medal glitch and now feel the sting off being a glitcher

ERMACxx - Lost City

Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »

And you gain what exactly from being 105? 25 more stat points and... a bigger e-peen?

t's pretty hyprocritic. You say you lost the option to gain 105 but you want to punish whoever did it. If you really want 105 that much, well, should have just glitched it.
Crying now that you couldn't get 105 with a glitch is just stupid. You basically want to punish the people who used it cause you couldn't use it. Jealousy speaks...

It NEVER was an option to glitch to 105 when GM's stated on the forumz that it WAS BANNABLE and U WOULD get banned for doing it...

Jealousy...i think rage and unfairness is more like itb:bye

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

Nniotora - Lost City wrote: »

b:bye to bad i havent glitched i stopped playing when i heard about it but nice try if i did i wouldnt be 3 months 104 but again nice try. Just wondering you prolly abused medal glitch and now feel the sting off being a glitcher

Sure 104 with seeker without glitching. Do you really think I'm moron?

Nniotora - Lost City

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Sure 104 with seeker without glitching. Do you really think I'm moron?

accordfing to your post yes go ask krittycat how long it toke me to hit 104 at 95% 1 month for 5% but still nice try. also note you didnt even defend you abused another glitch can we bann this medal glitcher they ruined the economy b:byeb:bye

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

Nniotora - Lost City wrote: »

accordfing to your post yes go ask krittycat how long it toke me to hit 104 at 95% 1 month for 5% but still nice try. also note you didnt even defend you abused another glitch can we bann this medal glitcher they ruined the economy b:byeb:bye

I have no problem to ban medal glitchers also. And to 95% of level 103 you get how? I'm not playing 1 year. I know how much experience you can get from frost. Without glitching only to get from 101 to 103 it would take at least year living in frost.

Knownase - Heavens Tear

Before the glitch was public, 104 was achieved by a small handful of players. 105 was extremely rare though, the GMs even made a big deal and interviewed the first player to hit it.

Anyways, as for those who did glitch, grats, wish I was able to run it. When a glitch is found, exploit it, GMs barely do anything about it, right GMs?

I have yet to hear anyone banned from it, the GMs say that they "aren't out of the woods yet." Wish I could say a fear tactic in hopes of scaring players.

I would say it is ok to edit .ini files for customization, however players have been temp banned for that, stupid if you ask me...

I've said this many times, I'll say it again, you can post a vid of yourself doing the glitch on these public forums, and will not get banned for doing it. b:victory

OIdpop - Heavens Tear

hmmm lets stop crying about the goons..its lame.Stop crying about the 105's..its lame.

in fact there are only like wut..15 goons in the whole damn instance..well the 1 or 2 that may spawn on that glitch boss.

my main thing about ff was always the ladies and heads and the hall before the second boss people like to rush for some dumb reason...hyper that they give damn good exp.Of course the pulls to the dred boss and the runewolf boss..more than just goons u people lol.

But to be honest the dev team should have either just removed the goon boss and replaced it with another boss that spawns nothing..really isnt hard.


But hey i see less ff runs for nubs,when there are ff runs its lower price or just big room,the best way to exp in there is a full run imo..so go with a bm.And you still got the ones who still charge 800k for big room to end...feel sorry for the ones who still think goons got the amazing exp..and are getting shafted.

Broederjr - Lost City

OIdpop - Heavens Tear wrote: »

hmmm lets stop crying about the goons..its lame.Stop crying about the 105's..its lame.

in fact there are only like wut..15 goons in the whole damn instance..well the 1 or 2 that may spawn on that glitch boss.

my main thing about ff was always the ladies and heads and the hall before the second boss people like to rush for some dumb reason...hyper that they give damn good exp.Of course the pulls to the dred boss and the runewolf boss..more than just goons u people lol.

But to be honest the dev team should have either just removed the goon boss and replaced it with another boss that spawns nothing..really isnt hard.


But hey i see less ff runs for nubs,when there are ff runs its lower price or just big room,the best way to exp in there is a full run imo..so go with a bm.And you still got the ones who still charge 800k for big room to end...feel sorry for the ones who still think goons got the amazing exp..and are getting shafted.

thats what i did with my brother and got 30mil exp in 20min not as good as goonz as some say but atleast without a glitch just funny seeing jealous ppl say hes a goony cuz ppl mad hes higher then them

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

OIdpop - Heavens Tear wrote: »

hmmm lets stop crying about the goons..its lame.Stop crying about the 105's..its lame.

in fact there are only like wut..15 goons in the whole damn instance..well the 1 or 2 that may spawn on that glitch boss.

my main thing about ff was always the ladies and heads and the hall before the second boss people like to rush for some dumb reason...hyper that they give damn good exp.Of course the pulls to the dred boss and the runewolf boss..more than just goons u people lol.

But to be honest the dev team should have either just removed the goon boss and replaced it with another boss that spawns nothing..really isnt hard.


But hey i see less ff runs for nubs,when there are ff runs its lower price or just big room,the best way to exp in there is a full run imo..so go with a bm.And you still got the ones who still charge 800k for big room to end...feel sorry for the ones who still think goons got the amazing exp..and are getting shafted.

Apparently you don't know how glitch worked.b:laugh

Yin - Momaganon

Would be nice to see all glitchers banned and on momagon server last days there have been quite "many" completly new faces exploring the game so it wouldn't kill at least this server. Sure it would be quite empty for while tho

Aizza - Harshlands

_Perses_ - Lost City wrote: »

It's called Frost....with hypers x12.....


I mean I know as a veno you should be able to solo that right b:question

Sure, I've soloed it with my Veno, but... it ate my charm, was a TOTAL pain in the butt.. and I decided to go back to lvling/gearing my Sin > let HER clear FC and invite my Veno in (same acct) at exp room.

XXZeonXx - Harshlands

_blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »

My question is, why do nubs still put any stake whatsoever on a person's level? Level itself doesn't matter so much as gear does.

The only REAL benefit to 105(aside from sin class) imho was the affinities on the genie, which, thanks to gooning in the first place, high LP(aside from 91+) genies became very easily affordable to the masses.

What were you all complaining about?

I would agree with you and would never even THINK about 105 if it weren't for the fact that in both PvE and PvP (PvP more importantly..) there are damage reductions depending on the difference in levels of the attacker and the defender.

Being level 105 would mean taking 10% less damage from anyone 100-102, as opposed to taking the full damage. And in PvP, 10% is a big damage reduction.

At this point, the time it would take to gain that convenience isn't worth the effort it would take to get 105, but it would still be wonderful to have under any circumstance.

For those of you who don't do any type of PvP, though, I agree that this whole subject would be almost pointless.

condo2009

I don't think they should permaban the account, just permaban the toons that glitched along with their alts that glitched right after. there might be legit toons on their accounts that didn't get glitched so allow those toons to proceed normally.

laloner

The company wants to make money and it seems their best option for that is allowing ppl who spend a lot to have a competitive advantage over the non spenders.

But the spenders want inferior players around to lord things over. If the company doesn't find the right balance not only with the non spenders leave the game but everyone will. Letting the big spenders break the rules might be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

Barber - Heavens Tear

welp, all PWi has done by not punishing people who used the glitch is drive away players by the tons

speaking as a person who was here when the game started i can tell a big difference in the population of players in this game...people are leaving in herds and the people in charge dont care...I'd say a good 3rd or more of the people in this game is just someone elses alternate toons....and half of the others are looking for a new game to play

sorry to say but not punishing people who exploit glitches has already done its work on this game

to the people that say "if they punish the people then the players would leave" youre dreaming, the people are already searching for new games as we speak because those in charge dont listen to the players


that is all

kthnxbye

Lyritha - Heavens Tear

xrogzielx wrote: »

Ok so now they "fixed" this Dragoon glitch, so they give like **** XP..thats good..however...i see no permabans on ppl that glitched...

So in other words those of us who didn't "glitch" (do something supposedly bannable a.k.a. cheat) simply lost out on free lvl 105?
Where's this "Hammer" they speak of to smash all these "no name", "3 day old" lvl 105's?b:angry

Next time there's a glitch like this..and there probably will be, why would ANYONE not do it?
They'd be stupid not to, just like the rest of us Real PWI players that didnt cheat on this Dragoon glitch. All we did was lose out on free lvl's...

Thanx PWI for making it fair...See u on the next glitch which i WON'T miss out on...b:victory

they are not going to ban their primary income.... think about the amount of money spent on the gear needed to pull it off. It is more a matter of them fearful of banning their paying players since they provide money for their pay check.

TrueAminta - Lost City

i know it wont happen...but i say ban the glitchers....ALL of them. Some of us followed the rules. Those that didnt should be punished.. i say let them all rank 9 and + there gear then ban them.

Yami_ - Dreamweaver

TrueAminta - Lost City wrote: »

i know it wont happen...but i say ban the glitchers....ALL of them. Some of us followed the rules. Those that didnt should be punished.. i say let them all rank 9 and + there gear then ban them.

+1

They told us that they will ban the players that used the glitch, why go back in their word now?

mogwai

The damage has long been done, TW is all screwed up, your hard pressed to find decent players, & the population is suffering.

I think most people do not realize that the JFC glitch has been being used for over a year.

Instead of punishing those who exploited a glitch, how about rewarding those who did not. b:scorn

Kinjeto - Raging Tide

Just hoping said company will actually release new 'content' then said 'glitch won't be a problem. AND NO Content doesn't mean recycling R8 and R9 with new stats or a lousy town with one new garbage quest that doesn't drop coin to the corresponding mob's level, and an event you can only do 3 times a day.

How about adding 'real content'. Ah well won't matter anyway by the day a certain new MMO is coming, I am sure you know which G and W MMO that is.

One thing I've learnt about PWI over the years as a company. Get them hooked while they're young and declare it "Free to Play" not as in FREE like TF2 is. I know where Im getting shares in as a company. Sure the shares aren't worth a lot 'at the moment' but there are projects coming out and PWI will gobble them up.

I continously praise the efforts of REAL developers. Not false ones.

Maybe PW needs real examples:

All points bulletin literally knows whats going on... and DEALS with it.

As I've said in the past:

Real companies deal with the problem fairly promptly...

and...

Even challenging players to report other player servers that don't act ethically...

But as its been demonstrated time and again. PW is all about one thing and that is the crumbling fiscal profit dollar. Games are meant to be 'oh look I'm having fun -- playing.' not "I'm having fun while you take my money that I pay you to have fun with."

When PW International learns about what 'fun' is and not slave to the waiting for sales of health and mana items versus visual cosmetic items. Let me know until then.

New town - bites
Thought new Harbinger of Justice thing had potential - fail
R8 and probably R9 recasting no surprise there for 'big requirements' cause that is what PW is all about.

Finally here is a reminder about 'having fun with players' versus taking the **** out of players. Until then as I've posted before. I'm getting shares in the company. Cause that is all you seem to do. Take money and not have 'fun'. Hence the whole 'free' versus 'free to play' augment.

Lyritha - Heavens Tear

Kinjeto - Raging Tide wrote: »

Just hoping said company will actually release new 'content' then said 'glitch won't be a problem. AND NO Content doesn't mean recycling R8 and R9 with new stats or a lousy town with one new garbage quest that doesn't drop coin to the corresponding mob's level, and an event you can only do 3 times a day.

How about adding 'real content'. Ah well won't matter anyway by the day a certain new MMO is coming, I am sure you know which G and W MMO that is.

One thing I've learnt about PWI over the years as a company. Get them hooked while they're young and declare it "Free to Play" not as in FREE like TF2 is. I know where Im getting shares in as a company. Sure the shares aren't worth a lot 'at the moment' but there are projects coming out and PWI will gobble them up.

I continously praise the efforts of REAL developers. Not false ones.

Maybe PW needs real examples:

All points bulletin literally knows whats going on... and DEALS with it.

As I've said in the past:

Real companies deal with the problem fairly promptly...

and...

Even challenging players to report other player servers that don't act ethically...

But as its been demonstrated time and again. PW is all about one thing and that is the crumbling fiscal profit dollar. Games are meant to be 'oh look I'm having fun -- playing.' not "I'm having fun while you take my money that I pay you to have fun with."

When PW International learns about what 'fun' is and not slave to the waiting for sales of health and mana items versus visual cosmetic items. Let me know until then.

New town - bites
Thought new Harbinger of Justice thing had potential - fail
R8 and probably R9 recasting no surprise there for 'big requirements' cause that is what PW is all about.

Finally here is a reminder about 'having fun with players' versus taking the **** out of players. Until then as I've posted before. I'm getting shares in the company. Cause that is all you seem to do. Take money and not have 'fun'. Hence the whole 'free' versus 'free to play' augment.

You're comparing them to Electronic Arts now come on that isn't entirely fair... EA has large amounts of money and staff. Also in those cases people were using external programs... in this case don't you think a proper fix would have been to have the boss simply stop spawning the adds?

Games published by EA tend to have more backing... for example the original staff behind the game are most likely still working for the same company... I cannot say that is the case for PWI as things only tend to be added not modified from the original.

Yamiino - Heavens Tear

Two sides of the coin.

PWI cares enough to LITERALLY instantly kill their servers just because they do believe in their own rules, which means they'd automatically ban 95% or more of the population of the servers, which contains a lot of cash shoppers, which is LITERALLY what sustains the game in the edge (we know PWE is having some issues atm...).

OR

PWI says they care, threatens of banning but lets everyone do what they please with no real punishment, since doing this means more people being higher level, so it brings more money.


Which one would you choose if your own company was in this problem? I'd probably go for the second option, yes its bad, yes it sucks, but lets be realistic, no one in their right mind would kill their own business.

Now, deal with it and move on, big deal.

QQQQQQQ but its not fair!!! b:cryb:cry WE DONT FKN CARE. Stop QQing and MOVE FKN ON!


b:bye


As of my vote, its missing more options. Like, "Let it be and move on, what is done is done."


EDIT:
OH and by the way, 105 is not the last possible level, there's gear around level 150... just so you know, you will sooner or later need to level up to level 150 which might be soon!

BUT BUT BUT MY R9 WTF IS GONNA HAPPEN TO IT, yes, as tt99 and nirvana, its gonna suck, enjoy it while you can.

Knownase - Heavens Tear

B> Updates.

Empu - Sanctuary

Nniotora - Lost City wrote: »

accordfing to your post yes go ask krittycat how long it toke me to hit 104 at 95% 1 month for 5% but still nice try. also note you didnt even defend you abused another glitch can we bann this medal glitcher they ruined the economy b:byeb:bye

Your point on banning (or at least punishing) those who abused the medal glitch is ofc valid. Just one point though : It's not that they didn't took action on that one that makes it valid to say there should be no punishment on this one.

Ofc, since you pretend to be 104 without glitching goons in fcc with a seeker for 3 months already, you refuse to admit how easy it is to see who glitched and who didn't. And I know how much exp fcc gives soloing it, wether it's killing everything or just bosses, with or without a low-lvl alt. I highly doubt you do it faster then me (especially with seeker r9 just out), and not taking into account the time to do the culti from 1 to 89 at least. Who are you trying to fool ? b:chuckle Maybe wicked pirate had a horrible day ?

Like said before, I don't think perma-ban is a doable solution. I don't even think it's a adequate punishment. It's highly exagerated compared to the "crime". But every infraction of the ToS should have a punishment of some kind. I'd just take a few lvls away from them, like 10 lvl or so.

I can't see any argument to defend glitching, but I can see that perma-ban is to exagerated as punishment.

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I have no problem to ban medal glitchers also. And to 95% of level 103 you get how? I'm not playing 1 year. I know how much experience you can get from frost. Without glitching only to get from 101 to 103 it would take at least year living in frost.

Maybe not a year, but it stil takes a good few months of no-life just fcc'ing and doing cube in exhaustion time. But hey, maybe he can solo fcc so much faster then a sin with r9 +12 daggers that for him it's actually doable in a few weeks to get from 1 to 104. b:chuckle

It's for ppl like that I think de-lvling is the best punishment. Then they have no more way talk around it. Public exposure of infractions, especiallly those meant to boost ego, are always very effective. Maybe it would be funny to give all glitchers a noticable appearance, like a duck-head or green names.

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary

Uhhh...

1) Original Dev team is gone, and never coming back

2) Current devs are college students b:sweat

3) Not only does content have to be created, but it has to then be translated from Chinese to English, Russian, Japanese, and... I know I'm missing one here... So it's not like, say, Blizzard's game, where 200 or so Devs work in teams on specific bits of content, test it for 2-36 months, then release it when it's done. Instead, it's basically half completed, translated in a rushed manner, and shipped.

4) They made BANK off glitchers, do you think they're gonna ban them now?

5) I attempted to Glitch Goons once or twice, and never even gained a level. Should I be banned permanently? What about the doofus that gained 4 levels? Where do you draw the line on who to ban, and who not to?

6) Even if there was a clearly defined 'line' on where to ban people, I'm sure the Communist Overlords in China, I mean, Devs, would overrule them anyway, like they seem to have done on every GOOD decision, and turn it into a fiasco in the end.

7) I like the number seven, so I'll end it here.

Alasen - Heavens Tear

Sarra considering they said even WC'ing to put together a glitch squad is bannable.... I would say u just ATTEMPTING it would be a ban lol

and.....

Yamiino - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Two sides of the coin.

PWI cares enough to LITERALLY instantly kill their servers just because they do believe in their own rules, which means they'd automatically ban 95% or more of the population of the servers, which contains a lot of cash shoppers, which is LITERALLY what sustains the game in the edge (we know PWE is having some issues atm...).

OR

PWI says they care, threatens of banning but lets everyone do what they please with no real punishment, since doing this means more people being higher level, so it brings more money.


Which one would you choose if your own company was in this problem? I'd probably go for the second option, yes its bad, yes it sucks, but lets be realistic, no one in their right mind would kill their own business.

Now, deal with it and move on, big deal.

QQQQQQQ but its not fair!!! b:cryb:cry WE DONT FKN CARE. Stop QQing and MOVE FKN ON!


b:bye


As of my vote, its missing more options. Like, "Let it be and move on, what is done is done."


EDIT:
OH and by the way, 105 is not the last possible level, there's gear around level 150... just so you know, you will sooner or later need to level up to level 150 which might be soon!

BUT BUT BUT MY R9 WTF IS GONNA HAPPEN TO IT, yes, as tt99 and nirvana, its gonna suck, enjoy it while you can.

Dude if you think 95% of the servers were stupid enough to do something bannable....... um.. ya anyway

bearyflair

I'll add my own option to that poll and say that glitchers should be banned according to how much they glitched (The more they glitched, the longer the ban) on top of having their characters levels reverted back to what it was before they glitched.

Alasen - Heavens Tear

bearyflair wrote: »

I'll add my own option to that poll and say that glitchers should be banned according to how much they glitched (The more they glitched, the longer the ban) on top of having their characters levels reverted back to what it was before they glitched.

^this