Mystic advise

Mystic-Night - Heavens Tear

DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »

Wait till you're lvl 100, otherwise you'll get roflraped so bad it isn't even funny.

Learn how to operate your safety lock, I have a feeling you'll need it.

Make a class other than mystic. They are possibly the worst PvP class in the game...

Any mystic who properly knows how to play their class can be as deadly as any character in the game. Sins are the exception for obvious reasons.

To be quite honest, any mystic that knows their tricks, can be the most annoying ****er thing to deal with.

Mystic-Night - Heavens Tear

Nurfed_You - Harshlands wrote: »

Even with r9, i dont see mystics being good in pvp. sure they will get more atk lvl and 25more def lvl, but they jsut dont have the control skills needed to win =gear matchs. seekers though, im intrested in pvping against as teh increased def lvl and zerk sword should make things intresting.

Mystics have as many control skills if not more than a BM does.

Nurfed_You - Harshlands

control skills based off which pet you ahve out or which plant you summon are jsut as obvious as a bm coming in to stun you. easily avoided. the only skill hard to see coming is that random chance aoe seal thing.

Mystic-Night - Heavens Tear

By your logic then no melee class in this game has any stuns.

Watch your most recent PK video and tell me how *easily avoided* those stuns were?

If Gale Force is hard to see coming, then Thicket is even harder to see considering the little animation it has, and its range.

Nurfed_You - Harshlands

the only melee class that can hold anyone in one spot is an assassin. bm's can't do it without occult. and i was zippering when i got stunned in that last part of my vid that you decided to point out

Mystic-Night - Heavens Tear

Actually a good BM (somewhat luck needed) can keep someone stun locked for over 30 seconds. Granted that genies aren't used by the other, though they can be used against the sin as well so it doesn't apply with what you said.

Nurfed_You - Harshlands

actually bm vs wizzie on teh ground even better in teh air. without occult you can jsut spam distance shrink and blink before roar of the pride can cast. no genie needed. you have to get it jsut right ot do it on the ground for some reason. i think it has somethign to do with range though im not sure.

Mystic-Night - Heavens Tear

It's relatively hard to do, but a BM can for example Drake Bash + Roar before you can get your distance shrink off. If they can do it perfectly you have no chance at getting out of it. Perfect example of this - go into a TT with the Dusk Shadows in it, and try to distance shrink away when you're in range of his perma stun.

Edit: I've never tested that air thing, but I can believe it. I've fought sins in the past and even though I was walking and not CC'ed, I wasn't able to blink for the entire time I was in range (r9 daggers) and the time he killed me. I don't know what happened, but it was in SP. I simply couldn't leap.

Nurfed_You - Harshlands

actually, i've played bm extensivly way back when it was all about stun lock axe/vit build. if you start roar of the pride even a hair early while they are still stunned from drake bash/aeolian roar stun will fail. there is always an opportunity to blink between stuns since it is instant and the stun skill has to be channeled just right. Still requires a bit of work to blink out just in time, actually in some pvp i was just recording i blinked out of a drake bash only to still be stunned by it 20m away. bm had to run over to me to continue punching.

There is the possibility that my ping plays into blinking between stuns. i usually play with a ping from 80-150 and connections dont get a whole lot faster then that. that could cause my "instant" skills to be a little closer to instant cast then other ppls. my fps is garbage though due to an older comp/overheated.

Mystic-Night - Heavens Tear

Yes, that happens as well. I've almost mastered leaping away from BM's as they're coming towards me using roar so as they are in the casting of the skill but never get it off, same with drake's bash. However, go into TT like I suggested and you'll see what I mean. Both situations happen, though mine is harder to accomplish.

Nurfed_You - Harshlands

mobs technically have 0 ping because they act from the server only, which explains why you'd have a hard time evading their stun

DaKillanator - Raging Tide

mystics control skills are a joke. Nothing screams "incoming stun!" more than summoning the pet used to stun...

Nurfed_You - Harshlands

DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »

mystics control skills are a joke. Nothing screams "incoming stun!" more than summoning the pet used to stun...

what he said

_eVeReL_ - Sanctuary

since we are talking about mystics, i ijust thought i'd point out that i'm pretty sure that a mystic cud **** pretty much every other class (xpt sins and possibly barbs) if they had AoE heal plant ( no idea what it;s called) and thicket up. My friend has a mystic and i have never had any trouble beating him, might be bcuz he sucks; idk. Also, as to the effectiveness of cragglord in a 1v1 situation, it is quite easy to 1-shot and doesnt pose much of a threat. But, for some reason, i saw a 101 mystic **** a 102 sin who soloes TT, in about 15 seconds. I do not know either of them so it is hard to give an accurate picture, but from their gears, it looked like they were almost equally refined. So, it all comes down to the experience of the player with the class and their gear/refines. How effective do u think mystics wud b against sins?

VoItaire - Harshlands

DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »

I personally believe they're not so hot for PvP for a few reasons.

1) your damage is rather negligible in my opinion. When I was lvl 98 I pvp'd against a r8 +10 mystic. Needless to say I lost, but it should be mentioned that he couldn't 1 shot me with the mystic ultimate, which is pretty bad...
and your absorb soul combo to deal phys damage only hits as hard as plume shot.

2) your defensive skills are limited. Your heals don't stack which is one big issue. And that damage absorbing shield you have seems to go away after 1 or 2 poke skills.

3) the biggest problem is your horrible lack of control moves. You have the only pvp enabled knockback which is nice, but pretty much nothing else. In PvP it's all about who can hold down the opponent longer, and mystics are pretty limited in their ability to do that.


That all said, the person above me is correct in saying that you guys are psychic killers. You're like the only class that has any hope in beating psychics 1v1 consistently.

Oh and don't get too hyped up from youtube pk vids. As you may of noticed, the person who made the vid never shows themselves dying (in the portion I watched anyways), and I'm pretty sure they have died...

Also take note at how many times they won because of a crit. Ijs that being a class with a low crit %, and depending on crits for your KO power isn't a good formula for pking.


Anyways, sorry if I crushed your hopes of pking as a mystic b:shutup
You're free to prove me wrong, but I thought I'd weigh in with my opinion so that you could stop yourself now if PvP is really going to be a big part of your gaming life.

I don't like responding to old posts, but I feel the need to give my own input on this.

1) True, mystic probably has the least dph potential out of all casters, without self buffs anyway. Mystics have quite a few ways to cheaply increase their own magic dmg, but it isn't always necessary anyway. Mystic ultimate, thicket, is not used for its dmg, but rather for its nicely lasting seal/freeze debuff, and if it's demon, it also has a nice chance to amp all incoming dmg with the same debuff as the bm dragon skill.(Although the description of it only says 25% chance to amp, it seems to activate much more often), but the fact that thicket can't crit and doesn't get any base mag atk bonus should tell you it isn't used for its dmg. Oh, and we also have a plant that spams a decent sleep chance, it's pretty useful to kite bms and sins around the plant and watch the sleep continuously interrupt any stuns they manage to get in.

2)Mystics probably have by far the best survivability of all casters besides a +10 psy against aps chars. It doesn't matter that we don't have stackable heals(although we do actually). Stacked heals can just be kited, but mystics can get a larger amount of hps at a moment's notice than clerics can, also not even a r8+10 wizzie ulti has been able to one shot me through my pet shields, and then I can just easily shrug off an dmg in less than a second with a fast heal, not that these will always be there, just saying the shield has its uses, especially against fish.

3)Mystics have more control skills than sage wizzies... Gale Force is definitely not a joke, especially if demon, it almost always seals/freezes, nothing random about that. Did I also mention it's the largest dmg aoe in the game outside of genie skills? And 100 mystics can make it crit on every single target.

Also, if you watched the very end of that video, Koro was able to charm bypass a full r9 wizzie and archer, although admittedly, they could've reacted much better, but they didn't. (Majority of HL r9s for ya -.-) Were they full JoSD? Idr, but it doesn't matter because the skill he used ignores attack and defense lvls, so they'd have better survivability with worse shards.

XXZeonXx - Harshlands wrote: »

For you HL players, the Mystic was Voltaire and the Wizzie was Rocketpower, btw.

That was not Rocketpower, it was KissMySpells... Rocket and I don't fight really. Well the other day he did attack me and the moment I had him locked down, I got instagibbed by sumrandomsin(well, it wasn't random, but you know sins, they'll wait for a very long time till you forget they're even there and the moment you're vulnerable...). But really, that's what Kiss gets for getting the r9 weap before the gear...

Also, I've seen a full r9 mystic tank the attacks of one of the most well known full r9 archers on our server with just his own heals, and then promptly 3 shot the archer with our lvl 1 spam skill, for anyone else to wants to say something about our survivability and dmg xP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAuSelBtqj0&feature=youtu.be that's the mystic btw. Our dmg sucks doesn't it? Also you can see another vid recently posted by him where he tanks Demon Sparked nirv dags without coming close to death, although full buffed.

Edit: I wanna see Burnout vs Nurfed_You :b

ZackBlade - Harshlands

XXLetaliaXx - Raging Tide wrote: »

So ive been thinking about doing PvP recently, Im not gonna go in till at least 50 or so, but is there any advice or tactics anyone can share to help me learn how to PvP as a mystic? I have no PvP exp at all and I usually loose most all my duels.

Irayo lu ma tsatutan
-Txona Tiranyu

(the above is in Navi, it says "thank you my brother, sincearly Night walker")

P.S if you want to know more about Navi, PM me.

Well your on a pve server i think, but on my mystic, personally i just stick to duels, in the open any 3.33aps sin goes through me pretty fastb:surrender

XXLetaliaXx - Raging Tide

ZackBlade - Harshlands wrote: »

Well your on a pve server i think, but on my mystic, personally i just stick to duels, in the open any 3.33aps sin goes through me pretty fastb:surrender

please read the post above yours and watch the videob:bye

Nurfed_You - Harshlands

burnouts mystic vs me. he beat me 2-3 times before i figured out how mystic skills worked. then it jsut went downhill for him. my prognosis of mystics. if thicket seal procs and you dont have faith, you die. if thicket seal doesnt proc mystic gets peaced. burnout had some nice tricks but nothing that a prepared char can't handle. and he also has full JoSD while i don't have any QQ

all i ended up doing was kiting him til he was low on chi the first fight that i beat him. then 2nd fight i jsut kept a lot of pressure on him so he had to play defensivly and he still ended up with low chi which got him killed.

Moral of the story. r9 mystic can do some damage but its all chance/luck with thicket pet stun and sleep plant being your staple cc skills.

Also thicket makes a noise before its cast so its very possible to avoid it with AD/anti immobilze or some other genie skill. Pet stun is easy to see coming and just knock it back or kill it before it gets to you due to mystic lack of cc skills. sleep plant takes a few seconds to sleep you so you cna blink out if you see it fast, if they lysing quickly you can blink out but its difficult to do. I see wiz, psy, vs mystic as a decent fight in the wiz/psy favor. bm, barb vs mystic is jsut a charm burn. everything else the mystic could kill more hten likely if thicket procs.

one thing that i see as a major set back for mystic. thicket is your best cc skill and it has a chance to not be useful at all for 2 sparks. burnout had it happen to him which actually allowed me to kill him. he used thicket i used faith we fought for a bit he used thicket again but seal didnt proc. i killed him shortly thereafter. Anyways we had fun fighting each other and i learned quite a bit. No doubt in my mind though that with equal gear wiz > mystic at least fighting each other.

VoItaire - Harshlands

That's pretty interesting. While I haven't really had much problems with r8 wizzies or below I guess it's just a scaling thing or could be that most non r9s invest too much in their weap and not enough in armor. Really sucks that they nerfed thicket's proc rate in the patch where they introduced r8/9 recast though QQ It used to just about always work on targets that didn't have tidal protection on. Now that's no longer the case :c But I think Mystic vs Psy is actually in favor of the mystic, but I've yet to see an end game mystic vs an end game psy.

Nurfed_You - Harshlands

only reason i say the battle is in the psys favor. soul of retaliation and soul of silence. full r9 w/ shards +10-12 refines. unless hte psychic is just terrible they are probably going to win.

VoItaire - Harshlands

Well, yeah but mystics have a lot of ways to attack psys indirectly so their buffs won't be as effective as they are against other classes, and the absorb soul will ignore any defense lvls from jades and white voodoo, and it's also not effected by their buffs or breaks sleep. Psys have the worst pdef of all casters unbuffed so if they get slept it might be over.

And here's from the prospective of a r9 psy. http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=15202441&postcount=22

Nurfed_You - Harshlands

your also forgetting that since absorb does true damage. a psy could be in black voodoo and not have to worry about your best nuke against them. im not saying a mystic couldnt beat a psy. im jsut saying its in the psys favor

GoddessNoa - Sanctuary

Nurf you come to these threads every-time to troll mystics because it is one of best classes in the game and you get pwned everytime a mystic is unkillable with maxed out gear and you if you know what your doing in less than a second you can pop up to full health also combined with fact that any skill can be a crit anytime you want. can sleep, stun, freeze, seal, casting slow downs, and the list goes on. It is the most complex class in the game and takes allot of skill to master. Btw mystic easy one shots any psy in the game doesn't matter what voodoo they are in and that also includes the other arcanes as well. The problem is there are hardly any skilled mystics, also you cant be a clicker and be good on a mystic.

VoItaire - Harshlands

Nurfed_You - Harshlands wrote: »

your also forgetting that since absorb does true damage. a psy could be in black voodoo and not have to worry about your best nuke against them. im not saying a mystic couldnt beat a psy. im jsut saying its in the psys favor

lol true damage. Reminds me of my new favorite champ

Nurfed_You - Harshlands

lawl i havent been trolllin mystics to hard. yeah mystics are hard to take down 1v1. and they can kill you if thicket procs. other hten that they are very predictable. o devil chiyu is out ima get stunned. storm mistress is out? i shoudl be wary of an matk amp and be ready to kite. salvation out they are just trying to survive long enough to build chi and turn the tables on me.
you tlk like mystic is the best class in the game. they are good but no better then a psy or sin.

i've never been one shot by a mystic and casters are the classes that usually kill me. and yeah i've seen the rapid growth leech storm mistress combo. impressive daamge for a class with a lot of support skills but not enough to one shot me or any other similarly geared caster.

I've also been fighting burnout's mystic here lately. if he doesnt play comepletly defensive and only go offensive when thicket procs then i kill him. other hten that its jsut a charm burn fight. with full buffs we probably couldnt kill each other at all. and thats him with JoSD me without.

in several posts i've stated the pros and cons of mystics. yes at r9 they can kill other r9 classes without to much difficulty....but im pretty sure its been established that r9 gear doesnt balance out the r9 weap damage, specially on caster classes. so good luck with your trolling. i'll be posting a video of some of mine and burnout's fights.

XXLetaliaXx - Raging Tide

Originally Posted by XXLetaliaXx - Raging Tide
"And everybody keeps telling me PVP Mystics are impossible and I should roll a boring class I dont enjoy playing if I want to play some PVP "

Posted by HardTimes - Lost city
"as one of the vary few mystics that do pvp on my server i am happy to say dont listen to what your told. I do in fact win most fights i get myself into and just about any duel. (duels are like pvp on easy mode for a mystic to be honest.) there is no class that cant hold there own in pvp. A mystic vs a barb, bm, cleric, mystic, wiz, psy, and even a seeker all die easy in a 1v1 long as they have around the same gear/refines as me. ive even killed some full r9+10-12 gear ppl and my mystic don't even have so much as r8. pvp as a mystic is not only possible but it can be really fun at times. The ONLY 2 classes i would say you have a reason to fear are them sneaky little sin's and archers. long you got the right gear and know how to play your class, there is no reason why ppl shouldn't fear you when you show up. "

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1272951