Mystic advise
XXLetaliaXx - Raging Tide
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So ive been thinking about doing PvP recently, Im not gonna go in till at least 50 or so, but is there any advice or tactics anyone can share to help me learn how to PvP as a mystic? I have no PvP exp at all and I usually loose most all my duels.
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Irayo lu ma tsatutan
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Wait till you're lvl 100, otherwise you'll get roflraped so bad it isn't even funny.
Learn how to operate your safety lock, I have a feeling you'll need it.
Make a class other than mystic. They are possibly the worst PvP class in the game...0 -
really? ive watched a few Mystic PvP videos on youtube, and it usually looks pretty even, except for this one where he powns most everyone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9x6VcZjyTW0
why do you think they are so bad?0 -
DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »Wait till you're lvl 100, otherwise you'll get roflraped so bad it isn't even funny.
Learn how to operate your safety lock, I have a feeling you'll need it.
Make a class other than mystic. They are possibly the worst PvP class in the game...
He is right with one part which is wait till lvl100 i got 100 mystic almost 101 its The Easiest class 2 pk as u can kill so fast that u dont have 2 be super geared just need nice weap well ur not gonna be able 2 kill r9 barbs-bms with it but i have 1 hit a r9 +12 psy in Sanc with mystic and that r9 +12 psy is a rapist so i say its a decent class and when i mean r9 +12 psy its r9 +12 SET Not just weap FULL gear JOSD0 -
I personally believe they're not so hot for PvP for a few reasons.
1) your damage is rather negligible in my opinion. When I was lvl 98 I pvp'd against a r8 +10 mystic. Needless to say I lost, but it should be mentioned that he couldn't 1 shot me with the mystic ultimate, which is pretty bad...
and your absorb soul combo to deal phys damage only hits as hard as plume shot.
2) your defensive skills are limited. Your heals don't stack which is one big issue. And that damage absorbing shield you have seems to go away after 1 or 2 poke skills.
3) the biggest problem is your horrible lack of control moves. You have the only pvp enabled knockback which is nice, but pretty much nothing else. In PvP it's all about who can hold down the opponent longer, and mystics are pretty limited in their ability to do that.
That all said, the person above me is correct in saying that you guys are psychic killers. You're like the only class that has any hope in beating psychics 1v1 consistently.
Oh and don't get too hyped up from youtube pk vids. As you may of noticed, the person who made the vid never shows themselves dying (in the portion I watched anyways), and I'm pretty sure they have died...
Also take note at how many times they won because of a crit. Ijs that being a class with a low crit %, and depending on crits for your KO power isn't a good formula for pking.
Anyways, sorry if I crushed your hopes of pking as a mystic b:shutup
You're free to prove me wrong, but I thought I'd weigh in with my opinion so that you could stop yourself now if PvP is really going to be a big part of your gaming life.0 -
Arcane = Rubbish at PvP
HA > LA > AA
End of story have a nice day. In the end its not the damage reduction of armor (Mag defence and Phys defence gets retardedly high because ppl invest in refines) what makes a difference is the HP bonus.
A Barb will WTF pwn a Cleric because he can simply outsurvive ANYTHING you throw at him whilst patiently waiting for a proc to kill you which it will because you only have half or less his HP .
Absorb soul (Mystics major selling point) ends up being mediocre or downright useless once at endgame. Pet has great stun abilites but can also be stunned and very very quickly killed itself. Not to mention people with common sense will see it coming anti stun and just flatten you easily because you are wearing AA armor which is godawful compared to HA.
So called 'pro mystics' will only give you advice on fighting and defending yourself that requires your opponent to do absolutely nothing which will almost never happen. Mystics are good at pvp till lvl 70 then you can join the rest of PWI being wtfpwned by melee classes (and BT wizzies :P especially if they mire just before it hits XD).PWI b:bye0 -
Speak for yourself. Wizards and Psychics are excellent.StacysMum - Dreamweaver wrote: »Arcane = Rubbish at PvP
BMs are HA, and they are not that great in PvP, especially against casters with fortify/badge genies.StacysMum - Dreamweaver wrote: »HA > LA > AA
Plus sins fall into the LA category, so I have no idea why they're ranked below HA.
a cleric has no where near the KO power to kill a barb or the movement buffs to kite a barb in kitty form.StacysMum - Dreamweaver wrote: »A Barb will WTF pwn a Cleric because
Can't say I know any decent wizards that keep mire on their genie for the sake of BT...StacysMum - Dreamweaver wrote: »(and BT wizzies :P especially if they mire just before it hits XD).0 -
DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »I personally believe they're not so hot for PvP for a few reasons.
1) your damage is rather negligible in my opinion. When I was lvl 98 I pvp'd against a r8 +10 mystic. Needless to say I lost, but it should be mentioned that he couldn't 1 shot me with the mystic ultimate, which is pretty bad...
and your absorb soul combo to deal phys damage only hits as hard as plume shot.
2) your defensive skills are limited. Your heals don't stack which is one big issue. And that damage absorbing shield you have seems to go away after 1 or 2 poke skills.
3) the biggest problem is your horrible lack of control moves. You have the only pvp enabled knockback which is nice, but pretty much nothing else. In PvP it's all about who can hold down the opponent longer, and mystics are pretty limited in their ability to do that.
That all said, the person above me is correct in saying that you guys are psychic killers. You're like the only class that has any hope in beating psychics 1v1 consistently.
Oh and don't get too hyped up from youtube pk vids. As you may of noticed, the person who made the vid never shows themselves dying (in the portion I watched anyways), and I'm pretty sure they have died...Also take note at how many times they won because of a crit. Ijs that being a class with a low crit %, and depending on crits for your KO power isn't a good formula for pking.
Anyways, sorry if I crushed your hopes of pking as a mystic b:shutup
You're free to prove me wrong, but I thought I'd weigh in with my opinion so that you could stop yourself now if PvP is really going to be a big part of your gaming life.
dont judge untile youv watched the whole thing, 1st: he died 3 times (first time in the beginning, if you were paying any attention of what so ever you would have seen it)
and try skipping to the part were hes in the cave thing (I dont know what the location is called, Ive never been to harshlands server.) that entire section is a shot in a single cut, most times he dosnt need a crit to kill in two hits, in that instance he killed a Barb(granted he looked afk if you ask me.) at least one sin and multiple other classes.
P.S and have you ever played a lvl 100 mystic in PvP? and if not how could you possably know the extent of there abilities, i guess theres ecatomb but that only really gives you a glimps
EDIT:and even if they do need to crit. theres a skill for that, its called Lucky Break, and i quote "the next skill you cast will make a critical hit." do you even play the game?0 -
ijs the vid maker didn't show any 1v1s where they ended up dying, though I'm fairly positive there must be a few instances in which exactly that happened.
The other problem is that you have no idea what the mystic in the vid's refinements were. For all we know, they are full r8 +10 and their opponents are r8 +5.
And no I've never played as a lvl 100 mystic, but as I said I've fought them and I've never been impressed.
Ijs, in TW I never get worried when I see an enemy mystic flying my way. I know that I can take them out fairly easily and that the chances of them killing me are pretty moot.0 -
has it come to mind that maybe youve just never faught a capable mystic? b:chuckle0
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That's possible. But I've fought over a dozen, so it seems unlikely.
Maybe you should consider the possibility that mystics aren't as good as you think? Because you're just making your decision based off of a pk vid, whereas I've actually done PvP.0 -
DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »ijs the vid maker didn't show any 1v1s where they ended up dying, though I'm fairly positive there must be a few instances in which exactly that happened.
The other problem is that you have no idea what the mystic in the vid's refinements were. For all we know, they are full r8 +10 and their opponents are r8 +5.And no I've never played as a lvl 100 mystic, but as I said I've fought them and I've never been impressed.
Ijs, in TW I never get worried when I see an enemy mystic flying my way. I know that I can take them out fairly easily and that the chances of them killing me are pretty moot.
so are you saying that if it WERE a fully geared r8 +10 mystic it would be a problem, If your so confident go find one.
and in any case it dosnt really matter to me what you say on the topic seeing as how you have no clue at all how to answer the question I posted, knowing that you you have no knoledge on how to actually PLAY an arcane class, I dont want to know why you say im going to fail, I came to find out how I can succeed and if you cant provide that than dont post.
I really hope no Mystic with a right mind would take Mystic advice from someone who has never actually played a mystic, and I dont know why you are so keen on proving a malee point when you have a Wizard, Assassin and a Psychik. 2/3 of your chars are arcane.
EDIT: at least the ones you show anyways0 -
DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »That's possible. But I've fought over a dozen, so it seems unlikely.
Maybe you should consider the possibility that mystics aren't as good as you think? Because you're just making your decision based off of a pk vid, whereas I've actually done PvP.
That is always a possability, also you might be under-rating them aswell, this conversation cant really be resolved by our opinions anyways, I am biased for mystics and you are biased against. so oppinions respected theres not much either of us can say b:chuckle
I decided I wanted to PvP and decided later to reaserch some success vids on utube so I could get an idea of how to go about it, I also researched people beating mystics aswell, I dont want to go PvP to pown lots of people and just pk people, winning or loseing isnt important in my view as long as you have fun doing either. and of course he dies and dosent show it in the vid, would you show yourself getting powned?
I am going to PvP expecting to die every single fight, I dont play to win and if I did I would play a game like WoW, but i preffer the genraly kind hearted community of PWI0 -
Yes you're biased for them obviously, but I have no reason to be biased against them. I simply stating what I've experienced against them. They don't hit hard, they don't many defensive skills, and they have a severe lack of control skills. If I thought they were good I'd say so, I don't have any personal vendetta against mystics.XXLetaliaXx - Raging Tide wrote: »I am biased for mystics and you are biased against.
Wait what? The lvl 48 mystic is telling me, the 100 wizard, I don't know how to play an arcane class? Come off it, you're not being logical now. You're just lashing out at me because I'm saying something you don't want to hear.XXLetaliaXx - Raging Tide wrote: »knowing that you you have no knoledge on how to actually PLAY an arcane class, I dont want to know why you say im going to fail, I came to find out how I can succeed and if you cant provide that than dont post.
What's that got to do with our conversation? I haven't given any mystic advice. The advice I've given is to roll a different class if you really want to do pvp.XXLetaliaXx - Raging Tide wrote: »I really hope no Mystic with a right mind would take Mystic advice from someone who has never actually played a mystic
Um I'm not keen on "proving the malee point." I'm keen on making the, "if you think you're playing a good pvp class you're going to be disappointed" point.XXLetaliaXx - Raging Tide wrote: »and I dont know why you are so keen on proving a malee point when you have a Wizard, Assassin and a Psychik. 2/3 of your chars are arcane.0 -
did I ever say once I was interested in playing a class other than the one I enjoy so I would do well in PvP?. Ive already stated I dont care about doing well in PvP, I only asked for some tips that would HELP the class I have chosen. why would I switch to a personaly boring class just so I could Pk people, maybe thats your idea of fun but not mine. so help or leave.0
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if you just wanted mystic pvp advice then go to the mystic forums. You came to the pvp forums, so that leaves this thread open for any discussion about how well mystics do in pvp.0
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DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »
What's that got to do with our conversation? I haven't given any mystic advice. The advice I've given is to roll a different class if you really want to do pvp.
If I recall, the topic of the thread is Mystic Advice0 -
DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »if you just wanted mystic pvp advice then go to the mystic forums. You came to the pvp forums, so that leaves this thread open for any discussion about how well mystics do in pvp.
it makes no sence to go to the mystic thread for a PvP question0 -
DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »BMs are HA, and they are not that great in PvP, especially against casters with fortify/badge genies.
Before rank 9, BMs are very good in 1v1. At rank 9, which does not give fist/pole, BMs are turning into more of a support class in group pvp than 1v1 pker. But this is only relative to the weapon, not to HA/LA/Robe. If BM had rank 9 GoF fist, pole, axe, and sword all together, then it'll be a different story.0 -
X_Rays - Sanctuary wrote: »Before rank 9, BMs are very good in 1v1. At rank 9, which does not give fist/pole, BMs are turning into more of a support class in group pvp than 1v1 pker. But this is only relative to the weapon, not to HA/LA/Robe. If BM had rank 9 GoF fist, pole, axe, and sword all together, then it'll be a different story.
No we would still suck, adding more claw damage on the no interval rank 8 with as many antistuns as theres is, being restricted to mele range and the upcomeign purify proc+psys in general make bm's a dead pvp class
BM = stuns, BMs cant reliable stun for **** there days = dead bm'sGifs are hard to make work here0 -
BM = dead
The above equation does not hold! it's like when 1 = 0, the world will end b:shocked0 -
to the OP: good luck getting roflpwnt by everything that sneezes in yoru direction.
full nv+10mystic on HL.....undine>gush dead. that was r9weap+10 with no shards. they didnt even tick my charm. i'm yet ot find a mystic that stands to be a challenge in pvp. maybe in group pvp as a support class they could do ok.
for instance:2 squads pvping. thicket on a priority target while maybe healing your teamates or knocking back an opponent off of a fellow AA. just some ideas; but like i said, im yet to see a useful mystic for pvp[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Mystics are very versitile and you need to know who you fighting against to know what skills and summons to use. I use mostly for summon Storm Mistress for PvP. mostly because she have a great magic attack and as now 70% of the ppl in pwi are sins or bms, magic damage is much more needed. other than that I use salvation just if I in squad for pvp, for the squad buff. Devil is good just againts runners, like archers or clerics that heals themselfs all the time. Basically againts HA you will start with NV to slow them, them they will run to you and try to stun, so first thing to do is leech your pet, so you got anti-stun and with mistress you get 200% magic attack, then knockback with bramble, if they are not dead by now a good choice is lucky break>rapid growth>gale force. Also thicket is really good against BMs. I wouldnt waste time trying to cast Absorb soul on HA tho. Against LA anything works, but against sneaky sins that stuns you from stealth you will need a good genie with expel or Domain, I prefer expel because it has longer effect and gives you time to think on your counter attack. Absorb soul is really good againts archers because it pass thru their barriers. Against sins, Bramble and swirling mist. Now againt AA you will find Devil the best pet for attack and salvation the best for defense. Againt mages best is salvation to be able to take the hard hits, other then that Absorb soul them as much you can. Clerics and Psys use Devil for stun and absorb soul, Venos are more difficult because their wood resistence, so use thicket gale force and Absorb soul. The mostly hard one are against another mystic tho.
Plants is barely use in pvp, at least 1v1, is good for TWs when you can affect a crowd and they are pretty much occupied with other things.0 -
Nurfed_You - Harshlands wrote: »to the OP: good luck getting roflpwnt by everything that sneezes in yoru direction.
full nv+10mystic on HL.....undine>gush dead. that was r9weap+10 with no shards. they didnt even tick my charm. i'm yet ot find a mystic that stands to be a challenge in pvp. maybe in group pvp as a support class they could do ok.
for instance:2 squads pvping. thicket on a priority target while maybe healing your teamates or knocking back an opponent off of a fellow AA. just some ideas; but like i said, im yet to see a useful mystic for pvp
I've seen some very good Mystics, that hold their own, but no - it would be very hard for most Mystics to beat you since you are a Rank 9 / High Refine Wizard, and one with alot of expereince in your class.
Thank you Mysticarella - for your post. I FC'ed my Mystic up to 75 (over 1.5 years ago) and lost out on alot of the fine points playing a Mystic. I think I'll take your notes and the others notes and maybe try again ...0 -
Even with r9, i dont see mystics being good in pvp. sure they will get more atk lvl and 25more def lvl, but they jsut dont have the control skills needed to win =gear matchs. seekers though, im intrested in pvping against as teh increased def lvl and zerk sword should make things intresting.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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Nurfed_You - Harshlands wrote: »Even with r9, i dont see mystics being good in pvp. sure they will get more atk lvl and 25more def lvl, but they jsut dont have the control skills needed to win =gear matchs. seekers though, im intrested in pvping against as teh increased def lvl and zerk sword should make things intresting.
Ever watch Indiana Jones where this guy had him cornered and is twirling his sword around and around - getting all warmed up for the kill and Indiana makes a face, pulls out his revolver and shoots the guy?
Yeah - thats Seekers.... and their skill animations. here0 -
Im sorry but why are most of the people giving advice playing the people on PVE servers?
PVP on a PVE server is as far from PVP server as it /gets/.
The mystic ulti is like the veno ulti, it's ****. Mystics are fabulous for PVP but you have to build it well and play it right.
Like everyone else mentioned get at least level 100. Aim for at least 5k HP unbuffed and about 5k pdef as well.
Mystics are an extremely squishy class so be very careful. You have no natural counters against a sin except to pop a genie skill and hope you can push them away fast enough.
What most mystics also do is stock up on as much -channeling gear they can and go demon for instant casting. Mystic is definitely not a class to PVP on if you aren't well funded.0 -
If I didn't have a very skilled Mystic friend then I might disagree, but I'm willing to bet that an R9 Mystic who knew what they were doing could drop any other Arcane relatively easily. I say this because I've watched a 9x Mystic kill an R9 Wizzie. So far, he's the best Mystic I've seen, but seeing that skill can make that much of a difference in the potential of a class is amazing.
For you HL players, the Mystic was Voltaire and the Wizzie was Rocketpower, btw.
Edit: Also, the main factor of the Mystic ulti isn't damage, it's the immobilize/silence length.Donate towards my endgame build, please.
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Aijou - Harshlands wrote: »Im sorry but why are most of the people giving advice playing the people on PVE servers?
I have a sin and psy on HL, and a bm on LC.
There is no difference between pvp server and pve server PvP b:bye0 -
Im sorry but why are most of the people giving advice playing the people on PVE servers?
PVP on a PVE server is as far from PVP server as it /gets/.
Why does every non factor from a PvP server think that they're better then someone from a PvE server just because they play on a PvP server...?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
XXLetaliaXx - Raging Tide wrote: »it makes no sence to go to the mystic thread for a PvP question
It makes sense to go to the mystic section to ask about mystics, PvP or not.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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